Wess 2,794 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 31 minutes ago, Gouvernail said: What makes you think the manual isn’t public?? I think you mean this differently than I mean this but yes I agree it largely is after the fact and anyone that wants to know and is willing to cut up a recently built boat can know largely in real time. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Board skiff 619 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 21 hours ago, tillerman said: Now, can we get back to talking about important stuff like the price of vangs, fast Aussie boats, and whether Wild Thing was a hit in Canada. Get with the times, man! It’s the Devoti’s that are fast now. I hear sailors are Lamboley swing testing them, just like Finns. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill5 2,005 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 51 minutes ago, IPLore said: Thanks....so in summation. I fully understand that you do not believe that it is necessary for the builders manual needs to be public for reasons outline above. You have your answer @Wess Wess seems to be keeping his position on the topic to himself...which is also fine...or he can outline if he thinks it should be public and why ? or just drop the topic (but where would be the fun in that?) Would that it were so simple... Wess is that 8th grade Social Studies teacher that asks questions and makes statements just to get the class thinking. That's the only logical reason for many of his posts. I also think he has bet some rum with someone that that he can drag this out over 100 pages. And he is nearly there!! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
torrid 391 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 8 hours ago, WestCoast said: Guys posted a 'Quick Look' at the first Ovington ILCA shakedown on the water in the US: So it quacks like a Laser? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tillerman 1,528 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 4 hours ago, sosoomii said: Get with the times, man! It’s the Devoti’s that are fast now. I hear sailors are Lamboley swing testing them, just like Finns. I am sure I read somewhere recently that Ovingtons are "built to win." 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IPLore 1,031 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 9 hours ago, WestCoast said: Guys posted a 'Quick Look' at the first Ovington ILCA shakedown on the water in the US: "Built to Win" is the wrong tag line for the Ovington Laser - not what we want at all- perhaps it should emphasize "Built to Last"..... Interesting to see whether Devoti competes with Ovingtons by building a cheaper boat or a faster boat. Because the business model of an identical boat at a higher price has never got a lot of traction. . Preferably they price close to each other with identical boats but distinguish their offering with service. Currently the pricing is almost identical . Devoti is EU 6,575 inc carbon top section = c. $7,900 Ovington is UKP 5169 = c. 7,990. Exchange rates explain away the difference. So depends which yo think is nicer looking piece of kit or more likely what your local deal;er carries. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tillerman 1,528 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 minutes ago, IPLore said: "Built to Win" is the wrong tag line for the Ovington Laser - not what we want at all- perhaps it should emphasize "Built to Last"..... Interesting to see whether Devoti competes with Ovingtons by building a cheaper boat or a faster boat. Because the business model of an identical boat at a higher price has never got a lot of traction. . Preferably they price close to each other with identical boats but distinguish their offering with service. Currently the pricing is almost identical . Devoti is EU 6,575 inc carbon top section = c. $7,900 Ovington is UKP 5169 = c. 7,990. Exchange rates explain away the difference. So depends which yo think is nicer looking piece of kit or more likely what your local deal;er carries. It's like all the different COVID vaccines. The right one for you is the one you can get. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Gouvernail said: Not even warm... Library of Congress... Google is your friend Sorry if I am misunderstanding you Gouv but that is not a current version so not particularly helpful to today’s sailors, right? Or are you saying something different?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill5 2,005 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 48 minutes ago, IPLore said: "Built to Win" is the wrong tag line for the Ovington Laser - not what we want at all- perhaps it should emphasize "Built to Last"..... Interesting to see whether Devoti competes with Ovingtons by building a cheaper boat or a faster boat. Because the business model of an identical boat at a higher price has never got a lot of traction. . Preferably they price close to each other with identical boats but distinguish their offering with service. Currently the pricing is almost identical . Devoti is EU 6,575 inc carbon top section = c. $7,900 Ovington is UKP 5169 = c. 7,990. Exchange rates explain away the difference. So depends which yo think is nicer looking piece of kit or more likely what your local deal;er carries. This side of the pond it looks like the Zim is USD 8000; PSA 8500; Ovi 8900. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LTFF 32 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Zim's still going to make them right? Any pictures of those yet? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IPLore 1,031 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Wess said: Sorry if I am misunderstanding you Gouv but that is not a current version so not particularly helpful to today’s sailors, right? Or are you saying something different?? By implication, why is the current version particularly helpful to today's sailors ? Do you think the current version should be publicly available ? Or are you saying something different?? ( Oooh are we going to get an answer?) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VWAP 1,063 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 http://www.laserinternational.org/blog/2021/02/25/zou-inter-marine-approved-as-new-builder/?fbclid=IwAR3CLyob79d8c6IJobtFby6OlzWsH5VaVhIwEze2Qbsfp50h45Zx4bJzP5s Zou Inter Marine Approved as New Builder 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, IPLore said: By implication, why is the current version particularly helpful to today's sailors ? Do you think the current version should be publicly available ? Or are you saying something different?? ( Oooh are we going to get an answer?) Not tonight. Byrds Nest 3 shelter is 3 miles and 1500 vertical feet away, its cold, dark as a witch's ****, the trail is icy and its snowing. And signal is about to go away. Its almost as much fun as LASER sailing (not that ILCA sh*t). And it will be better once we get there and get a fire started. God I love life!! Cheers. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
torrid 391 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 10 hours ago, VWAP said: http://www.laserinternational.org/blog/2021/02/25/zou-inter-marine-approved-as-new-builder/?fbclid=IwAR3CLyob79d8c6IJobtFby6OlzWsH5VaVhIwEze2Qbsfp50h45Zx4bJzP5s Zou Inter Marine Approved as New Builder 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin T 91 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Very good...lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailabout 101 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/25/2021 at 3:19 AM, Gouvernail said: Has anyone bothered to check whether the following is true? The construction manual is a public document easily found in the Library of Congress... I thought that was the document that Kirby kept control of hence the court cases, if you didnt legally have that you couldnt legally build a Laser? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tillerman 1,528 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 43 minutes ago, torrid said: Seriously? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Board skiff 619 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill5 2,005 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 What the....? Where are the teak grab rails? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dex Sawash 570 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 4 hours ago, torrid said: they've just reversed the image Quote Link to post Share on other sites
torrid 391 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 5 hours ago, tillerman said: Seriously? In Communist China, traveler pulls you! What a country! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 3 hours ago, Dex Sawash said: they've just reversed the image Just the hull - and mischievously not the cleat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VWAP 1,063 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 12 hours ago, Bill5 said: What the....? Where are the teak grab rails? That is the only boat with any hardware in the stack including which looks like misplaced traveler fairleads . Looks like someone screwed the pieces on for a photo op. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill5 2,005 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Tough crowd. One bad photo and your boats suck. The first photo in the link is a bit more flattering... 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VWAP 1,063 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 22 minutes ago, Bill5 said: Tough crowd. One bad photo and your boats suck. The first photo in the link is a bit more flattering... Well at this point it is a non issue as it has no plaque so it is not an approved ILCA boat. and no super duper super secret fees paid yet 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wavedancer II 141 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 As a long-term member of The (in)famous Laser Class (TLC), I received an update. What was most interesting perhaps is that LP claimed to have sold 585 Lasers with their own plaque. I think that this is considerably less than 'back in the day', before ILCA dropped LP as a builder. I speculate that most of these Lasers have stayed within Europe. and finally, we are a happy class! Its official - last year, 585 new One-Design Lasers were distributed with the new Laser Class plaque - a real testament to the continuing LP Laser build quality. This year the Laser Class technical committee will be inspecting and monitoring the production of the Laser to ensure you continue to receive a first-class sailing experience. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
torrid 391 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Those boats have a class plague, not a class plaque. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 16 hours ago, Wavedancer II said: As a long-term member of The (in)famous Laser Class (TLC), I received an update. What was most interesting perhaps is that LP claimed to have sold 585 Lasers with their own plaque. I think that this is considerably less than 'back in the day', before ILCA dropped LP as a builder. I speculate that most of these Lasers have stayed within Europe. and finally, we are a happy class! Its official - last year, 585 new One-Design Lasers were distributed with the new Laser Class plaque - a real testament to the continuing LP Laser build quality. This year the Laser Class technical committee will be inspecting and monitoring the production of the Laser to ensure you continue to receive a first-class sailing experience. Go backpacking for a weekend and they claim to sell 585 LPE Lasers?! Where on earth did you find that one? It never ends LOL. At least we have good music!! 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dex Sawash 570 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 "distributed" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieB 1,443 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 On 2/27/2021 at 6:46 AM, torrid said: I bet some "special" sailor specified that on their "special" build request..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieB 1,443 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 The Sailing Inc in Ohio posted a pic on their FB page of a guy standing beside his new LP "Laser" with a note he was looking forward to the upcoming regatta season and circuit. Wonder if they told him the "story" behind his purchase or if he'll get educated when he shows up at an ILCA event and a plaque nazi gets ahold of him.....Or, is there a "pop up" fleet of LP lasers in the GL area now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 33 minutes ago, RobbieB said: The Sailing Inc in Ohio posted a pic on their FB page of a guy standing beside his new LP "Laser" with a note he was looking forward to the upcoming regatta season and circuit. Wonder if they told him the "story" behind his purchase or if he'll get educated when he shows up at an ILCA event and a plaque nazi gets ahold of him.....Or, is there a "pop up" fleet of LP lasers in the GL area now? OMG, OMG, OMG, LOL! Save $5000 and still get to sail/race with your friends!!! This is horrible. He didn't help fund the elite. And if he buys generic sails and parts then ILCA, PSA, and WS don't get to pick his pocket and steal his money. OMG!! He found the secret to escape the fees funding the elite and ILCA class leadership. Somebody send the cops!! Come on, what's the big deal. Some poor guy wanted to save himself $5000 and sail in club events where plaque nazis generally - thankfully - don't roam and aren't welcome. Generic sails and generic parts have long been a thing at the club level. Generic boats are no different. This might be a shocker to some but doesn't the vast majority of Laser sailing happen at NON-ILCA events... Asking for a friend... 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieB 1,443 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Wess said: OMG, OMG, OMG, LOL! Save $5000 and still get to sail/race with your friends!!! This is horrible. He didn't help fund the elite. And if he buys generic sails and parts then ILCA, PSA, and WS don't get to pick his pocket and steal his money. OMG!! He found the secret to escape the fees funding the elite and ILCA class leadership. Somebody send the cops!! Come on, what's the big deal. Some poor guy wanted to save himself $5000 and sail in club events where plaque nazis generally - thankfully - don't roam and aren't welcome. Generic sails and generic parts have long been a thing at the club level. Generic boats are no different. This might be a shocker to some but doesn't the vast majority of Laser sailing happen at NON-ILCA events... Asking for a friend... I'm ok with it as long as buyers are informed. I'm also honestly interested to see if "fleets" are popping up in the US. Edited March 1 by RobbieB Ad info Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tillerman 1,528 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 47 minutes ago, RobbieB said: The Sailing Inc in Ohio posted a pic on their FB page of a guy standing beside his new LP "Laser" with a note he was looking forward to the upcoming regatta season and circuit. Wonder if they told him the "story" behind his purchase or if he'll get educated when he shows up at an ILCA event and a plaque nazi gets ahold of him.....Or, is there a "pop up" fleet of LP lasers in the GL area now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 3 minutes ago, Gouvernail said: #9985 Check again. You miscounted my friend. The old tricks still work and either of us could stop this thread from ever getting to 10,000 LOL. PS - Any progress on the Japanese angle? 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill5 2,005 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 5 hours ago, Wess said: Come on, what's the big deal. Some poor guy wanted to save himself $5000 and sail in club events where plaque nazis generally - thankfully - don't roam and aren't welcome. Generic sails and generic parts have long been a thing at the club level. Generic boats are no different. This might be a shocker to some but doesn't the vast majority of Laser sailing happen at NON-ILCA events... Asking for a friend... I certainly don’t have a problem with buying knock-off ILCA’s () and generic parts for club racing and to save a few bucks. But your Wess math is interesting. 7500 - 6000 = 5000 Nice music pick. Had the Brain Salad Surgery 8 track! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IPLore 1,031 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 On 2/26/2021 at 9:03 PM, Wess said: Not tonight. Byrds Nest 3 shelter is 3 miles and 1500 vertical feet away, its cold, dark as a witch's ****, the trail is icy and its snowing. And signal is about to go away. Its almost as much fun as LASER sailing (not that ILCA sh*t). And it will be better once we get there and get a fire started. God I love life!! Cheers. but soon right? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 13 minutes ago, IPLore said: but soon right? Should lock the thread with that line. Very well done. Got a belly laugh. But yes.... soon. And by ILCA standards that means I have 2 years!! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gouvernail 3,196 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Another forty or fifty posts to #10,000 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gouvernail 3,196 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 How the hell did I know there would be so many more between here and 10,000 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 25 minutes ago, Gouvernail said: #9989 You are really having trouble counting LOL. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 32 minutes ago, Gouvernail said: #9989 huh??? How can you pre-quote?? Nope its still not 9989; sorry. And it’s like knowing the world would be better without WS and ILCA. Generic Lasers for all! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 #9991 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 #9992 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 #9993 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Aren't numbers exciting!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 17 minutes ago, Gouvernail said: What?? It was according to my display. This is #9901. We're going backwards! The numbers change! (See, numbers are fun!) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 ...For example... You don't strike as someone who gets basic maths wrong!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 5 hours ago, Gouvernail said: What?? I was saying that this thread - if nothing else - proves that lemmings cann'tt count. Not days (ie "soon"), not boat prices (i.e ILCA are wayyyy more expensive than Lasers), and not posts. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill5 2,005 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 500 entries of quality packed into 10,000 posts 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
torrid 391 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 No one post after #9999. Let Gouv take the honors. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gouvernail 3,196 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 hours ago, Bill5 said: 500 entries of quality packed into 10,000 posts Quality is a term like speed. .0000000001mph is a speed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Fascinating. In 15 minutes, we lost two posts. Where did they go? 42 indeed. We need to question #42. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 And now, an hour later, it is 10 posts that have been lost. At this rate of shrinkage, there will be none left by the end of the year! And all of the hard work by the posters here will be lost. We need to have a proper investigation to get to the bottom of this! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieB 1,443 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 19 minutes ago, Bruce Hudson said: And now, an hour later, it is 10 posts that have been lost. At this rate of shrinkage, there will be none left by the end of the year! And all of the hard work by the posters here will be lost. We need to have a proper investigation to get to the bottom of this! Haters are deleting 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 3 hours ago, torrid said: No one post after #9999. Let Gouv take the honors. I don't think he wants that honor. While I delete a few to have fun and throw off his counting earlier it appears he has picked up the trick and is now the one deleting. If only ILCA-ers had learned they could delete all their misinformation!! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill5 2,005 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 If we each deleted posts which are a repetition of what we already stated, we wouldn’t hit 10Gs for a few years. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xeon 178 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 hours ago, Bruce Hudson said: #9987 Still a more interesting post than any one from Wess 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Bill5 said: If we each deleted posts which are a repetition of what we already stated, we wouldn’t hit 10Gs for a few years. As well as that, if we each deleted posts which are a repeat of what we already... ... never mind. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gouvernail 3,196 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 hours ago, Wess said: I don't think he wants that honor. While I delete a few to have fun and throw off his counting earlier it appears he has picked up the trick and is now the one deleting. If only ILCA-ers had learned they could delete all their misinformation!! Why did this post go beyond the third word? 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 #9987 (again) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Gouvernail said: Why did this post go beyond the third word? You wine a lot for a dude from Texas! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 10 minutes ago, Wess said: I whine a lot. FIFY 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gouvernail 3,196 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Wess said: You wine a lot for a dude from Texas! Did you mention a Wine dude from texas?? https://www.kxxv.com/hometown/mclennan-county/arrest-warrant-issued-for-central-texas-businessman-accused-of-entering-capitol-during-riot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Hudson 517 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Gouvernail said: Why? Your post also was #9987! Spooky! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 22 hours ago, Bill5 said: 500 entries of quality packed into 10,000 posts I thought you had one of the good ones. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieB 1,443 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Another new ILCA builder announced. http://www.laserinternational.org/blog/2021/03/02/element-6-evolution-approved-as-new-builder/ When will this madness stop!?! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tillerman 1,528 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, RobbieB said: Another new ILCA builder announced. http://www.laserinternational.org/blog/2021/03/02/element-6-evolution-approved-as-new-builder/ When will this madness stop!?! Soon. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobbieB 1,443 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, tillerman said: Soon. Agreed. But the boat sales will not. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tillerman 1,528 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, RobbieB said: Another new ILCA builder announced. http://www.laserinternational.org/blog/2021/03/02/element-6-evolution-approved-as-new-builder/ When will this madness stop!?! What do you think is the optimal number of builders for a class like ILCA? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill5 2,005 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 hours ago, Wess said: I thought you had one of the good ones. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill5 2,005 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 11 minutes ago, tillerman said: What do you think is the optimal number of builders for a class like ILCA? Through a North American lens, it sure looks like a lot. But I am sure the builders that signed up are confident this is a sustainable deal. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tillerman 1,528 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 27 minutes ago, Bill5 said: Through a North American lens, it sure looks like a lot. But I am sure the builders that signed up are confident this is a sustainable deal. How many of the current builders (including new ones recently approved) do you think will still be building ILCAs two years from now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill5 2,005 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, tillerman said: How many of the current builders (including new ones recently approved) do you think will still be building ILCAs two years from now? I would suspect all of them. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gouvernail 3,196 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 46 minutes ago, Bill5 said: I would suspect all of them. Of what?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tillerman 1,528 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Gouvernail said: Of what?? Making faster boats than all the others. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 52 minutes ago, tillerman said: How many of the current builders (including new ones recently approved) do you think will still be building ILCAs two years from now? Do you mean actively building and selling more than say 20 boats a year? Or do you mean still a "approved builder" that does the occasional one-off? 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wess 2,794 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 4 hours ago, RobbieB said: Another new ILCA builder announced. http://www.laserinternational.org/blog/2021/03/02/element-6-evolution-approved-as-new-builder/ When will this madness stop!?! Perhaps in 44,064,000 seconds or when NA builders are on-line... but I suspect the boat that used to be the Laser will be giving people something to talk about forever, especially given the current cast of characters. 2 hours ago, RobbieB said: But the boat sales will not. Interesting thought. I was curious when they will start at any appreciable level. How many ILCAs were sold to the public in 2020? Don't count demo boats, or boats sold into the pipeline (i.e not the final customer and user), or LPE Lasers... new ILCAs sold to sailors. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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