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3 hours ago, Icedtea said:

Assuming that's the case when it's "the same again" 

 

What would the time be if you were to get a new one designed from scratch? 

 

Double it, at least.  A lot of coordination between rig builder and naval architect on righting moments, panel specs, standing rigging preferences and termination details, you name it. Then with the electronics people for the radars etc, including their mass and height. 80% of the job is engineering and design.  The build is relatively easy.

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6 hours ago, P_Wop said:

Double it, at least.  A lot of coordination between rig builder and naval architect on righting moments, panel specs, standing rigging preferences and termination details, you name it. Then with the electronics people for the radars etc, including their mass and height. 80% of the job is engineering and design.  The build is relatively easy.

Nope, it took 9 months. It was designed from scratch & the new rig was totally different to the original B&R rig. We also experimented with a few things on the new rig using  pultrusion components and an internal web design, it took ages to get that pultrusion profile right and slowed us down heaps.

High Modulus UK did the engineering, Derektors in Dania, FL built the rig using many Kiwi expats leading the carbon work. NAVTEC built the rigging, Doyle did the sails. The rig dropped on Christmas eve 1998 in the Caribbean, mid January 1999 we motored to FTL, fixed the significant damage to the boat, put the boat into MCA survey, built the rig & we were doing sea trials in Fort Liquordale late October. Rig build itself was 9 months.

First charter with the new rig was in Antigua December 1, 1998.

Good times!

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2 hours ago, charisma94 said:

Nope, it took 9 months. It was designed from scratch & the new rig was totally different to the original B&R rig. We also experimented with a few things on the new rig using  pultrusion components and an internal web design, it took ages to get that pultrusion profile right and slowed us down heaps.

High Modulus UK did the engineering, Derektors in Dania, FL built the rig using many Kiwi expats leading the carbon work. NAVTEC built the rigging, Doyle did the sails. The rig dropped on Christmas eve 1998 in the Caribbean, mid January 1999 we motored to FTL, fixed the significant damage to the boat, put the boat into MCA survey, built the rig & we were doing sea trials in Fort Liquordale late October. Rig build itself was 9 months.

First charter with the new rig was in Antigua December 1, 1998.

Good times!

Now that's a good program.  Well done.

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On 8/8/2020 at 8:51 AM, NZK said:

I was on board a 120ft Dubois crossing from Newport to Palma. Ended up in Halifax after losing the boom and the mainsail over the side. Then about 3 hours out of Halifax on return to Newport had the Genoa shred itself after a crew member sailed too low and 'gybed'. 

If that whole fucking debacle isn't a good example of why superyachts get shipped places rather than sailing I don't know what it...

What type of fucking idiots do they have sailing these things??

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On 3/13/2021 at 2:14 PM, mad said:

What type of fucking idiots do they have sailing these things??

Well, that trip was a wake-up call about some assumptions I'd been making about the preparedness of superyachts for offshore trips. 

The boom failure was seemingly a structural issue (I didn't stay around long enough for the outcome of the various lawsuits between insurance and rig builders). It failed a bit behind the vang and with a full main up on an in boom furling system we couldn't get the sail back onboard safely. I think I wrote about this in more detail on another thread but it was an interesting few hours....

The accidental gybe that blew the Genoa out was almost comical given what had already happened - it was pretty low winds with a big swell that meant the boat was rolling downwind heading out of Halifax and the guy on the wheel went too low, the genoa backed and as it filled back out it was just as the rig started going the opposite direction on the swell roll. I reckon that was a pretty unlucky combination of events to end up blowing the sail out but it kinda capped off a hell of a trip. We had to motor back to Newport with just the blade staysail tight on centreline to try and minimise the rolling... I did get to be in town for the opening night of Mission burgers which was an overall plus.

I think it's fair to say that there is a big range in skill and experience in the current superyacht crews. Plenty of very good yachties of all ages but also plenty of kids who have just ticked the boxes in the ever increasing certification game and are really only expected to clean and tidy things for the majority of their time.... put them under pressure and their actual sailing skills are questionable...

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