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Not only a Russian proxy, NRA is also a cynical scam


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2 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Paywall but, there are a lot of non-profits that are exactly like that.  Including colleges and universities.

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I am sure too they didn't invent this scam, but they did pretty well with it for awhile.

Here is a snippet:

A former pro football player who serves on the National Rifle Association board was paid $400,000 by the group in recent years for public outreach and firearms training. Another board member, a writer in New Mexico, collected more than $28,000 for articles in NRA publications. Yet another board member sold ammunition from his private company to the NRA for an undisclosed sum.

The NRA, which has been rocked by allegations of exorbitant spending by top executives, also directed money in recent years that went to board members — the very people tasked with overseeing the organization’s finances.

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6 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

most of them don't monetize murdered children, nor are they the biggest supporter of the conservative movement. but this is just the lazy bothsiderism we've come to expect.

It's fairly impressive how incestuous the DC conservative influence scene is, and how obviously quid pro quo it is. Look at Butina's boyfriend, or in judicial news how the Tiger Mom penned an oped in support of Kavanaugh that got her daughter a clerkship with Kavanaugh this year.

What is impressive to me is they no longer even PRETEND it isn't all a scam a minute.

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He tried (or maybe succeeded) to buy ("adopt") a teenage girl to keep as a de facto sex toy.

You can look it up.

He is scum in every way possible.

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On 6/11/2019 at 11:47 PM, SloopJonB said:

He tried (or maybe succeeded) to buy ("adopt") a teenage girl to keep as a de facto sex toy.

You can look it up.

He is scum in every way possible.

Oh, he "adopted" her.  Then, had sex with her.  She was underage.

Read this.

To me, the worst part of that article is the bit about Courtney Love -

But we have pretty good reason, even beyond the autobiographical details, to believe that the choice of 13 in “Jailbait” is not entirely comedic exaggeration. For example, Courtney Love claims to have performed oral sex on Nugent when she was 12 and a half. When pressed, an uncharacteristically somber Love elaborated, “I didn’t have breasts yet... it’s sick.” This would have been around the time of Nugent’s 29th birthday.

I encourage anyone to listen to that (NSFW) interview. It isn’t leveled as some sort of angry allegation. Love comes across as fairly reluctant to reveal her age at the time of the incident. In fact, she seems to feel shame about it. (Which, of course, she should not.)

To be clear: Nugent says that he does not remember the incident with Love. He is not guilty just because he is accused. That is an incredibly serious allegation and, given that recollections are clouded by a haze of three decades and god knows how many drugs, it is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Still, he doesn’t say, “Because I wouldn’t have had sex with a 12-year-old.” He just denies recalling it. That’s very disturbing. I’ve met 30-year-olds who could pass for 15 and 15-year-olds who could pass for 30, but I have never met a 12-year-old girl who could pass for 18. Puberty is pretty key in that regard. Rather than deny that he would have done it, Ted Nugent wrote a semi-autobiographical novelty song about how he’d have liked to. He doesn’t seem to see it as a very serious allegation.

Funny how his response to the allegation is eerily similar to President Trump.  Neither said "I wouldn't do that."

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On 6/11/2019 at 12:36 PM, Saorsa said:

Paywall but, there are a lot of non-profits that are exactly like that.  Including colleges and universities.

Actually, per the IRS rules, the definition of a non-profit has simple two tests:  1.  A charitable or educational purpose.  2.  An un-paid board of directors.

Work arounds are not smiled upon by the auditors.  That's why Trump Foundation is in hot water.  And the NRA should be next.

Burn it down and drain the swamp. 

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Chris Cox has been the NRA's central peacemaker and spokesman and legal rep, all in one. Forever. He gave me the creeps.>

He was suspended last week for not loving Wayne La Pierre enough.

Yo, Oliver North wears the white hat? He is a whistleblower now?

An evil empire is self destructing. This ends a chunk of American history IMO.

 

P,ostscript to @Importunate Tom No amount of race-baiting can fog these events, this passing.

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The NRA is a lobbyist group and as such they do what all lobbyists groups do - bribe politicians. 

Being no dummies, the politicians have made bribery legal by filling the courts with corrupt judges who in turn rule bribery laws unconstitutional.  Those same judges will find some way to say taking money from foreign nationals and passing out bribes to politicians is what capitalism is all about.  And America loves capitalism.

The NRA is just taking advantage of what our politicians created.  Can you blame them?

But whose fault is this really?  Who voted these crooks in? 

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16 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

The world is a little bit better today.

What’s that cockroach Dan Bongino going to do for cash?  Being a part time Fox contributor doesn’t pay well.  If I recall correctly Gorky only made $4K.  

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5 hours ago, badlatitude said:

hmmm, that means Dana Loesch is available. I wonder if she is hungry enough to do anti-gun commercials, wouldn't that be funny?

I could see her doing MILF porn.

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That woman is a perfect illustration of the old saying "Beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes to the bone".

Damn she has a nasty, angry face.

Well suited to black leather though.

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NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals

The National Rifle Association acted as a "foreign asset" for Russia in the period leading up to the 2016 election, according to a new investigation unveiled Friday by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon.

Drawing on contemporaneous emails and private interviews, an 18-month probe by the Senate Finance Committee's Democratic staff found that the NRA underwrote political access for Russian nationals Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin more than previously known — even though the two had declared their ties to the Kremlin.

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The report indicates that top NRA officials were aware of Butina and Torshin's links with the Kremlin even as they sought to work more closely together under the banner of gun rights.

...The Senate report notes that in 2018, then-NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch repeatedly denied that the group leaders' 2015 trip to Moscow was sanctioned by the gun rights group.

But in a letter obtained by the committee, then-NRA President Alan Cors wrote to Torshin on NRA letterhead after consulting with NRA staff and former NRA President David Keene.

Cors designated two NRA figures to lead the trip: "Dave Keene and [top NRA donor] Joe Gregory will represent the NRA and our five million members better than anyone else," he wrote.

During the course of the investigation, Brownell's lawyer also told the committee that Brownell believed the trip to be an official NRA event.

This view is further strengthened by the committee's evidence that NRA staff prepared itineraries, gathered briefing materials, applied for tourist visas, paid for some of the travel expenses, and provided the delegation with NRA gifts to give to Russian officials.

Brownell covered approximately $21,000 in expenses related to the trip; in June 2016, the NRA reimbursed Brownell just over $21,000. 

After questions were raised about the trip in 2018, Brownell paid the NRA $17,000 — a transaction that Brownell's lawyer told the committee was requested by the NRA as a way of "getting the trip off the NRA's books."

...The next step, he says, is for the IRS to launch its own inquiry.

"The totality of evidence uncovered during my investigation, as well as the mounting evidence of rampant self-dealing, indicate the NRA may have violated tax laws," Wyden said. "The IRS needs to examine these findings and investigate other publicly reported incidents of potential lawbreaking."

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6 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals

The National Rifle Association acted as a "foreign asset" for Russia in the period leading up to the 2016 election, according to a new investigation unveiled Friday by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon.

Drawing on contemporaneous emails and private interviews, an 18-month probe by the Senate Finance Committee's Democratic staff found that the NRA underwrote political access for Russian nationals Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin more than previously known — even though the two had declared their ties to the Kremlin.

... 

The report indicates that top NRA officials were aware of Butina and Torshin's links with the Kremlin even as they sought to work more closely together under the banner of gun rights.

...The Senate report notes that in 2018, then-NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch repeatedly denied that the group leaders' 2015 trip to Moscow was sanctioned by the gun rights group.

But in a letter obtained by the committee, then-NRA President Alan Cors wrote to Torshin on NRA letterhead after consulting with NRA staff and former NRA President David Keene.

Cors designated two NRA figures to lead the trip: "Dave Keene and [top NRA donor] Joe Gregory will represent the NRA and our five million members better than anyone else," he wrote.

During the course of the investigation, Brownell's lawyer also told the committee that Brownell believed the trip to be an official NRA event.

This view is further strengthened by the committee's evidence that NRA staff prepared itineraries, gathered briefing materials, applied for tourist visas, paid for some of the travel expenses, and provided the delegation with NRA gifts to give to Russian officials.

Brownell covered approximately $21,000 in expenses related to the trip; in June 2016, the NRA reimbursed Brownell just over $21,000. 

After questions were raised about the trip in 2018, Brownell paid the NRA $17,000 — a transaction that Brownell's lawyer told the committee was requested by the NRA as a way of "getting the trip off the NRA's books."

...The next step, he says, is for the IRS to launch its own inquiry.

"The totality of evidence uncovered during my investigation, as well as the mounting evidence of rampant self-dealing, indicate the NRA may have violated tax laws," Wyden said. "The IRS needs to examine these findings and investigate other publicly reported incidents of potential lawbreaking."

The Russians aren't stupid.  If they're going to turn an organization into an asset, it's best to pick a tax exempt organization....  Didn't the NRA come up with a much larger amount of money to contribute for the 2016 cycle than they normally do?  I wonder where that came from.  

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The NRA themselves explained how they operate the laundering of foreign money.

They accept the foreign money, mix it in with the domestic contributions and presto, change-o, clean,  untraceable money - no audit trail.

They should be prosecuted under RICO.

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My friends who hunt, and are quite clear they left the NRA when it switched from an organization promoting gun safety to one promote gun ownership (their words, not mine), are not surprised.

I find it absolutely despicable and hope the NRA are smashed to pieces.

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15 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

My friends who hunt, and are quite clear they left the NRA when it switched from an organization promoting gun safety to one promote gun ownership (their words, not mine), are not surprised.

I find it absolutely despicable and hope the NRA are smashed to pieces.

I left the NRA when it sold out the legal machine gun guys to protect open availability of armor piercing rounds. Mid '80's.

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2 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

The Russians aren't stupid.  If they're going to turn an organization into an asset, it's best to pick a tax exempt organization....  Didn't the NRA come up with a much larger amount of money to contribute for the 2016 cycle than they normally do?  I wonder where that came from.  

So did the FBI, for a while.

The congressional watchdog on this had no teeth. Her committee refused to even ask the FBI if the investigatioon existed, what the findings were, whether ithe investigation is open or closed, etc. None of these questions were even asked, and it was not in her job protocol to go directly to the FBI herself.  The chair wrote a public, candid letter about this, published it, went on the cable news...and it was over. That was about two months ago, and I'm still in shock.

Which is un-effing believable. Thirty million in Russian money was exposed, and no accountability about the NRA was forthcoming to the public in the USA.

The DOJ sucks, IMO. And agency watchdogs need fangs and the free press, evidently.

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2 hours ago, learningJ24 said:

I left the NRA when it sold out the legal machine gun guys to protect open availability of armor piercing rounds. Mid '80's.

?? Both would appear to be legitimate sporting items.

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55 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

I agree. When I go head-to-antler with amour plated deer, nothing but a 50 cal and some tungsten bullets will do.

Tungsten? That might work out there on the East Coast but in these parts, tungsten won't make the local cervidae so much as pause in their eco terrorism. You need to get really kinetic on them with some depleted uranium. Works on Mormons too.

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47 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Tungsten? That might work out there on the East Coast but in these parts, tungsten won't make the local cervidae so much as pause in their eco terrorism. You need to get really kinetic on them with some depleted uranium. Works on Mormons too.

We have the current JW migration coming through here currently. Now they are in camouflage, driving cars and not wearing suits and ties. So far, spraying them with Raid is keeping them at bay, but I'm running out.  

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7 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

We have the current JW migration coming through here currently. Now they are in camouflage, driving cars and not wearing suits and ties. So far, spraying them with Raid is keeping them at bay, but I'm running out.  

Have you tried leaving copies of the most recent "Black Flame" on the doorstep?

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1 minute ago, phillysailor said:

The Times is reporting that Wayne LaPierre met with Trump on Friday and offered financial help for the president's legal defense if he would commit to "stop the games" around gun control."

THAT is super legal.

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16 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

?? Both would appear to be legitimate sporting items.

Not sure about sporting but the NRA rolled over on prohibiting the transfer of newly designated "red star" weapons in order to protect the sale of AP ammo.  It was during the period where Kevlar vests were being purchased for law enforcement and KTW was making teflon coated bronze AP rounds that zipped through kevlar.  I never saw a reason for the NRA's actions to toss the least offensive (from a criminal action standpoint) firearms group under the bus for the ammo.

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