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Good morning from Initiatives Coeur! All is good on board! It’s been a great run so far and we have already achieved a new record top speed for the boat - 34.2 knots reaching yesterday! The only pro

Yes owners, and often with outside investors for the value of the cargo. My grandfather re bought his grandfathers cargo boat and kept it in the family for outings. So I could sail before I could sw

Will Harris' explanation of the western option: https://www.transatjacquesvabre.org/en/news/newswire/1366/will-harris-britain-co-skipper-malizia-ii-yacht-club-de-monaco

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C40; Lipinsky Hardy;
They peaked at 415.86 miles at average speed of 17.3 knots over 24 hours between 03:30 on 4.11.19 and 03:30 on 5.11.19. That beat the old record of 377.7 miles at average speed of 15.7 knots.

Crédit Mutuel covered the theoretical course of 4,350 nautical miles at an average speed of 10.25 knots but actually sailed 4,714.35 nautical miles at an average speed of 11.11 knots

Good article;
https://www.transatjacquesvabre.org/en/news/newswires/2144/credit-mutuel-wins-the-transat-jacques-vabre-normandie-le-havre-class40

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And another one about Mutual; the prep;

After first training sails, we realised that the boat was not a dud. We could see that there was potential, but it did not set our world on fire either. It was not going to be easy; the start of qualifying, some DIY, other training  - then it was already time to go to Le Havre!

Madintec's autopilot, the "Madbrain" has also behaved perfectly. After coming out of the Channel, we never touched the helm again, and beat the 24-hour record under autopilot! The “Third Man” was clearly a key factor in this performance.

Written by Ian while sailing, nice job, autopilot must  have been very good, he got bored and started writing...
https://www.transatjacquesvabre.org/en/news/newswires/2126/skipper-s-log-ian-lipinski-france-credit-mutuel-class40

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50 minutes ago, LeoV said:

It started when Oracle software engineers met an NKE guy.
Not sure if you even can buy the goodies in a store.

Ah, yes.  I've heard their origin story, but never a company name.  Just sort of dock talk.

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

They have been working under the radar for a while (pre 2013). But they got now a lot of exposure;

It started when Oracle software engineers met an NKE guy.
Not sure if you even can buy the goodies in a store.

Thanks for posting.  They have some premium customers.

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3 hours ago, r.finn said:

On their website, they explain that their autopilot controls not only the rudder, but also the foils... I assume, either rake of the ama foils and/or flaps on the main daggerboard T foil, and/or rudder T foils...

I thought that servo control of the foils was forbidden in some of those classes. Wasn't it a point of disagreement of the Gitana team with the rest of the Ultim teams? Gitana team wanted to have that option, and the rest of the teams did not???

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2 minutes ago, Laurent said:

On their website, they explain that their autopilot controls not only the rudder, but also the foils... I assume, either rake of the ama foils and/or flaps on the main daggerboard T foil, and/or rudder T foils...

I thought that servo control of the foils was forbidden in some of those classes. Wasn't it a point of disagreement of the Gitana team with the rest of the Ultim teams? Gitana team wanted to have that option, and the rest of the teams did not???

Yup exactly that. Gitana has some controls they say, 32/23 doesn't allow. Interestingly, Gitana isn't a customer. Go figure.  But maybe that part is under development? Macif "A Bravo systems solutions is also aboard and we collaborate actively to design the new 3D pilot for foiling yachts."

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1 hour ago, jb5 said:

Yup exactly that. Gitana has some controls they say, 32/23 doesn't allow. Interestingly, Gitana isn't a customer. Go figure.  But maybe that part is under development? Macif "A Bravo systems solutions is also aboard and we collaborate actively to design the new 3D pilot for foiling yachts."

That must be some incredible algorithms to work on and figure out.

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1 hour ago, Laurent said:

On their website, they explain that their autopilot controls not only the rudder, but also the foils... I assume, either rake of the ama foils and/or flaps on the main daggerboard T foil, and/or rudder T foils...

I thought that servo control of the foils was forbidden in some of those classes. Wasn't it a point of disagreement of the Gitana team with the rest of the Ultim teams? Gitana team wanted to have that option, and the rest of the teams did not???

Just because they can do it doesn't mean its "turned on" for those classes which prohibit it! Some good ML models going on there for sure.

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15 hours ago, LeoV said:

C40; Lipinsky Hardy;
They peaked at 415.86 miles at average speed of 17.3 knots over 24 hours between 03:30 on 4.11.19 and 03:30 on 5.11.19. That beat the old record of 377.7 miles at average speed of 15.7 knots.

Crédit Mutuel covered the theoretical course of 4,350 nautical miles at an average speed of 10.25 knots but actually sailed 4,714.35 nautical miles at an average speed of 11.11 knots

Good article;
https://www.transatjacquesvabre.org/en/news/newswires/2144/credit-mutuel-wins-the-transat-jacques-vabre-normandie-le-havre-class40

Impressive. Thanks for posting. 

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So the last two Class 40s finished today, and their finishing reports were completed.

Good race; well run, and appreciated the English translations--probably thanks to Matthew Pryor (if he's the one who said  another boat stuck in the doldrums was "Charaled;)

One oddity that was puzzling: why so many seal failures this race? I can't recall so many in other races. The six, 7?, of the IJ's 8 cases were for "Rupture Accidentelle Du Plomb D’Arbre D’HéLice "

4 IMOCAs, 2 out of the 3 Multi 50s, and NONE of the Class 40s. (page 1 example below).

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Class 40 finishers were all inspected and cleared for seals, so seemed odd that so many of the others had problems.

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The IMOCA 60s are mostly sailing back, several class 40s will likely go do the Caribbean season then sail back depends on sponsor requirements etc...

Are any being shipped anyone know?

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https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-france.fr/course-au-large/vendee-globe/vendee-globe-le-prix-des-bateaux-les-37-pretendants-et-les-lecons-de-la-transat-jacques-vabre-40a449aa-0950-11ea-acf5-57e5aa86cbff

The above article is in French and looks at the IMOCA after the TJV how they are shaping up for the VG. 

The following is a rough edited summary. The full thing is well worth a read. 

The final countdown has begun for the Vendée Globe 2020. Lessons from the Transat? The new IMOCA prototypes - boats that cost at least 5 million euros per unit! - are above the lot, but most of them still need work. In addition, there will be more than two "divisions": the Vendée Globe will not be limited to an opposition between foilers and straight boards. But who can really participate?

A year of development was needed to draw the quintessence of Charal, the fastest in the fleet at (almost) all gaits.  But still it is necessary to arrive and not to be trapped by the doldrums.

Price of a new boat: between 5 and 7 million euros
When we start to change the foils, 600,000 euros a pair. 

The Vendée Globe remains the Grail
But it's the same for the other classes: who imagines that a prototype Class40 600 000 euros before taxes (or more) is manufactured without going through the Route du Rhum box? Who designs a prototype of 6.50 meters without participating in the Mini-Transat, when it costs nearly 200 000 euros, excluding taxes, without the foils?i

Qith 37 candidates for 34 places there will inevitably be three left out ...

Which candidates seem least prepared ?
Conrad Colman who took over the former Roland Jourdain Sill designed in 2004 by Lombard. Didac Costa who plans to use the former Kingfisher Ellen MacArthur. Denis van Weynberg, who for the moment has only participated in the Bermuda race and the Fastnet Race on the former Spirit of Hungary from 2014 that is slower than a new generation Class40..Sebastien Destremeau announcing his participation on the former Galileo from 2005.

We must add the special case of Yann Elies who hopes to build a prototype very quickly. 

By winning the Transat Jacques Vabre, Apivia is becoming a very serious candidate for the next Vendée Globe. As for the others, everyone still has time to train and sail The Transat CIC between Brest and Charleston, leaving May 10. But the route has completely changed and the departure of the New York-Vendee on June 16 may mean some may not line up: there is 700 miles between the two US cities and assuming an arrival between May 22nd and 25th, this leaves only two weeks... It is best not to have damage. 

What is certain is that some will be keen to finish both races to accumulate miles since to date, seven candidates for the Vendée Globe are on the waiting list.

The difficulty for those who have not performed is to really know why the results are not up to their expectations: a strategic mistake in the West, a "dumpling" in the doldrums, a speed deficit due to the boat, foils poor performance, lack of resources, poor sailing?

Undoubtedly, Charal is currently above the lot in pure speed. But their result in Salvador de Bahia also indicates that some passages (like the doldrums) can be very expensive if they are poorly done. On the other hand, Hugo Boss did not totally convince and their damage impacts their preparation and confirms that on a world tour, there can also be unforeseen obstacles ...

Apivia and aDvens have shown a very interesting potential particularly upwind and are very flexible. As they have just been launched there are like improvements to come before they are fully assessed. 

As for Arkéa-Paprec , there is probably a design problem with two foils breaking without impact and for the moment, its performance did not impress. This leaves a doubt as to the forecast on the performance of the boat. 

What about the 2015 foilers? If we eliminate their detour by the Azores, or even their hazardous option in the West to the doldrums, only Master CoQ and Malizia 2 offer skipper-boat capabilities in the "top ten" around the world.

Although they have often achieved great speeds the boats with straight boards have no chance to win in the round the world solo non-stop!

The foilers of the previous edition have trouble following the pace of the latest prototypes: should they look at the profile of the foils?

Even if Banque Populaire X was with the best until the doldrums, even if Group Apicil has bluffed some until the Cape Verdi islands, they have no chance in reaching conditions.

In reality, there are not two "divisions" that will participate in the Vendée Globe, but at least five "leagues" or "philosophies" and different projects: the podium contenders who are certainly among the new prototypes, the foilers of the last edition with some Imoca modified with foils, the boats with straight boards, those with new foils that are not performing, the latecomers with constrained budgets and the "adventurers" who hope to tell a story  ...

The fact remains that on the whole it appears to be a superb fourteenth edition of the VG. Even if, on average, 40% of the participants are forced to retire along the way, it is hoped that around 20 sailors will be able to complete the world tour in Les Sables d'Olonne, in the middle of next winter... 

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This edition has so many new boats, folks who finished the last, a lot of Corinthians are going be pushing to the end to qualify on miles. 

There are also a lot more women participating this edition and even if they’re out qualified on miles, I cannot see Davies or Cremer not given discretionary invitations even if for some reason they fall behind on miles  

 

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1 hour ago, stief said:

In the deliver-the-coffee-race, 11th eventually overtook Apivia, but the IC delivery team is 'leading', even without Sam

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Apivia is supposed to be headed to the Azores to pick up crew for the last part of the trip. At least that's what they said when they left Brazil. 

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3 hours ago, stief said:

but the IC delivery team is 'leading', even without Sam

Without Sam, but with Tanguy. He will be pushing the boat to optimise it's potential and to find any weak points. And because it's fun...

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35 minutes ago, stief said:

Kevin E reporting some problems with sail and rigging  yesterday  . .  . I think. Sounds like another boat helped 

 

Kevin explains that his J2 split in half and he had to take it down; problem, the stay for the J2 is a permanent stay, so he had to get up the mast to do some repair  (if I understood properly) to lower the sail. But he was missing some part/hardware to be able to climb up the mast by himself, under autopilot. He waited for Banque Populaire which was behind him, with Clarisse Cremer on board. She had the part he needed, attached it toba long line behind her boat and he crossed behind her to grab the line with a gaff!

He got the part, climbed the mast in solo mode, and lower his torn J2. First time up the mast in solo  mode for Kevin. 

Another positive point is that he now has done his 2000 miles solo on his boat, part of the qualification for VG.

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1 hour ago, stief said:

Once again, thanks Laurent.  Couldn't tell from the auto-translate captions what 'forestay' broke and Clarisse's role. Cheers.

Apparently it is not the forestay that broke, but the sail that split in two, and for some reason, he could not lower the sail without climbing in the mast, and he did not have the right hardware to climb the mast solo...

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14 minutes ago, Laurent said:

Apparently it is not the forestay that broke, but the sail that split in two, and for some reason, he could not lower the sail without climbing in the mast, and he did not have the right hardware to climb the mast solo...

Right. The part that made me think he had a rigging problem/ forestay problem was at 00:52 when the auto transcribe/  translate captions showed  "si vous voyez le câble noirs ici m'ont approché ce câble là qui tient le met" as:  

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Every year I find it rather interesting to see how google tries and tries to get machine translations to work, especially with the specialized vocab of sailing.  Cheers.

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2 hours ago, Laurent said:

Apparently it is not the forestay that broke, but the sail that split in two, and for some reason, he could not lower the sail without climbing in the mast, and he did not have the right hardware to climb the mast solo...

All of the J2's in that fleet are on the only permanent shroud forward of the mast, the J2 forestay.  Other headsails are on locks.  The J2 is raised on a spinnaker halyard and lashed to the stay, and remains that way until the end of the race, hopefully.  It's a terrible situation if the sails fails and unfortunately for Kevin, and for North, it did.  Anyway, that's why he couldn't get it down without going up.  There's no halyard to release.

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8 hours ago, r.finn said:

All of the J2's in that fleet are on the only permanent shroud forward of the mast, the J2 forestay.  Other headsails are on locks.  The J2 is raised on a spinnaker halyard and lashed to the stay, and remains that way until the end of the race, hopefully.  It's a terrible situation if the sails fails and unfortunately for Kevin, and for North, it did.  Anyway, that's why he couldn't get it down without going up.  There's no halyard to release.

I wouldn't be worried about the sails, Escoffier said few days ago those are delivery sails, probably well worn out. 

On the other hand, not having the equipment to climb in the mast alone is quite a thing... 

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Prusik knot could always been a last solution.

surprised Huusela ships his back, on the other hand it cost more but less risk.
Last time he was preparing an Imoca, for one reason Tolkien did a race on it, and he lost the boat. Ari really wants this adventure.

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

 

surprised Huusela ships his back, on the other hand it cost more but less risk.
Last time he was preparing an Imoca, for one reason Tolkien did a race on it, and he lost the boat. Ari really wants this adventure.

Possibly not having much mainsail left was a factor.  Maybe he also wants to earn some money for a new one?

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https://www.scanvoile.com/2019/12/louis-duc-secours-helitreuille-class40-dematage-CROSS-convoyage-retour-acores.html#.Xft5f_LYqow

Some of the boats still on the way home.  Louis Duc and his team mate have been hoisted off their Class 40 near the  Azores during the return trip.

35 to 40 kn winds were forecast, rough seas: they were planning a stopover in the Azores before reaching Lorient in better weather conditions. Their beacon was triggered around 8 a.m. The two men are now safe.


CROSS forwarded the information to the Lisbon MRCC. A commercial boat was diverted, also an airplane and a helicopter immediately took off to reach the area where the boat had been positioned at 8:00 UT.

Around 7:00 p.m. the plane had spotted the Class40 and managed to contact Louis: they were both on board and in good health. Half an hour later, as night fell on the Atlantic, the two sailors were helicopter-bound and en route to the hospital in Terceira where they were immediately taken care of.


Their boat had capsized. The mast is broken and pierced the cockpit. They were unable to take out their life rafts. The two sailors waited for help on the deck of their Class40 all day.

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Fun fact I found looking at CDK;

IMOCA goes hand in hand with CDK: four-time Vendée Globe winner, the Breton yard has pulled off the amazing feat of having all the boats built behind its doors since 2006 take the start line of this Transat Jacques Vabre, prompting observers to announce that "a boat built at CDK never really dies".

 

  • Former generation boats with classic straight daggerboards (Banque Populaire X, Corum, Fortil),
  • First generation foiling boats (Bureau Vallée, Maitre Coq), Former generation boats with daggerboards transformed into foilers (PRB, Initiatives Cœur),
  • Latest generation foilers (Charal, Apivia, Arkea),
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