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1 hour ago, Sailbydate said:

So you're saying Alex and his boat are shit, right? He might as well fuck off back to Old Blighty, now? 

I bet the French give him a bit more respect (although of course, they still think he's Rosbif). ;-)

No.
What I am saying is that I think the South Brittany based sailors (which includes a few British), have a big advantage over Alex in terms of the opportunities for training and specialist coaching, and it pays off in developing race winning skils. I don't believe that in the UK there is anything comparable with the setup at Port La Foret where many Imoca and Figaro projects are based and where they can train and race against each other and get coaching from weather experts, sports health experts, diet experts, physical training experts, routing software experts etc. etc.
I have always admired Alex for his persistance and for his achievements which are considerable. I have much respect for him.
I just think that what is happening in this race so far just demonstrates that maybe those with the best training opportunities (PLF and Lorient) might have made the right call. Have you noticed that other French sailors not from those schools have not made the same routing decisions?
As for his boat. I have looked very closely at it and am very impressed, especially the electrical powering systems. I would like to see how it performs alongside the other new ones though, but so far no opportunity in this race.
Anyway I wish him luck and maybe he did make the right routing choice? That is what makes following these races so interesting. It aint over til the fat lady .....

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12 minutes ago, staysail said:

No.
What I am saying is that I think the South Brittany based sailors (which includes a few British), have a big advantage over Alex in terms of the opportunities for training and specialist coaching, and it pays off in developing race winning skils. I don't believe that in the UK there is anything comparable with the setup at Port La Foret where many Imoca and Figaro projects are based and where they can train and race against each other and get coaching from weather experts, sports health experts, diet experts, physical training experts, routing software experts etc. etc.
I have always admired Alex for his persistance and for his achievements which are considerable. I have much respect for him.
I just think that what is happening in this race so far just demonstrates that maybe those with the best training opportunities (PLF and Lorient) might have made the right call. Have you noticed that other French sailors not from those schools have not made the same routing decisions?
As for his boat. I have looked very closely at it and am very impressed, especially the electrical powering systems. I would like to see how it performs alongside the other new ones though, but so far no opportunity in this race.
Anyway I wish him luck and maybe he did make the right routing choice? That is what makes following these races so interesting. It aint over til the fat lady .....

OK...and Doyle sails and Alex's and Neal's ability to know there limits or otherwise?

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1 minute ago, Sailbydate said:

OK...and Doyle sails and Alex's and Neal's ability to know there limits or otherwise?

Who knows? Over many years following Imoca I have noticed that a major necessary skil is ability to look after sails. That said it's a new boat and very unconventional with management of so much from inside. Maybe they just haven't got it well enough sussed by now? Doesn't alter the fact that sail damage on a good new sail is most often not the fault of the sail.

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41 minutes ago, jb5 said:

Are any of the others using Doyle? Probably not I'm guessing. HB did last VG and they seemed to work out very well.

And the go-around before the last one, too. So, Doyle sails have managed podium finishes in at least two VG races for Alex - so far.

Also, I suspect Moose knows a thing or two about building great RTW racing sails.

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Lots of racing left to do.  Lots of interesting weather ahead.  

Lots to learn for Alex and the crew on the new boat.  

Is there any possibility that he might know something that we don't?  Does anyone know his Polars?  Does he??

 

But just throwing this out there, but if I knew I couldn't beat Charal head to head. Then the best way to maximize noise for the Sponsor, is to try something unusual. Lots of chatter here and elsewhere online about Alex and his route right now.  If he was 10 or 20 deep in the pack of Imoca's off the Coast of Portugal, would he get 1/2 the attention? Alex is a showman...

 If he wins, it would be amazing.  If he loses, well, it was a bad route call.  Not the boat. 

 

He almost looks as dry as the rest of us.  

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1 minute ago, Sailbydate said:

And the go-around before the last one, too. So, Doyle sails have managed podium finishes in at least two VG races for Alex - so far.

Also, I suspect Moose knows a thing or two about building great RTW racing sails.

Agree but no other customers after eight plus years of development sounds expensive. 

Back to the race.

Very good performance so far from the handicapped Arkea Paprec. Hanging in there very well. Clearly not as sorted as Apivia but looking promising. Using the tracker on Arkea Paprec website. Works well too. 

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8 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

And the go-around before the last one, too. So, Doyle sails have managed podium finishes in at least two VG races for Alex - so far.

Also, I suspect Moose knows a thing or two about building great RTW racing sails.

And fundamentally all these manufacturers are quite able to provide the product for their boutique sponsorship customers. 
 

it says very little the their capability to provide the same for regular customers. 

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1 hour ago, staysail said:

No.
What I am saying is that I think the South Brittany based sailors (which includes a few British), have a big advantage over Alex in terms of the opportunities for training and specialist coaching, and it pays off in developing race winning skils. I don't believe that in the UK there is anything comparable with the setup at Port La Foret where many Imoca and Figaro projects are based and where they can train and race against each other and get coaching from weather experts, sports health experts, diet experts, physical training experts, routing software experts etc. etc.
I have always admired Alex for his persistance and for his achievements which are considerable. I have much respect for him.
I just think that what is happening in this race so far just demonstrates that maybe those with the best training opportunities (PLF and Lorient) might have made the right call. Have you noticed that other French sailors not from those schools have not made the same routing decisions?
As for his boat. I have looked very closely at it and am very impressed, especially the electrical powering systems. I would like to see how it performs alongside the other new ones though, but so far no opportunity in this race.
Anyway I wish him luck and maybe he did make the right routing choice? That is what makes following these races so interesting. It aint over til the fat lady .....

ETNZ were the last team to rock up to Bermuda and didn't train with the others. We all know how that worked out.

All the dudes in PLF know very little about what AT is up to and that's exactly how he likes it otherwise he wouldn't be doing it. Also if he's at such a disadvantage compared to everyone in Brittany how come they're all shit scared about what he's up to. Everybody expected him to be fast in 2016. I don't think anyone expected him to be 2nd-by-hours-with-broken-boat fast. What do you think is going through their heads when they hear him shout all or nothing, no compromises and no VG for HB2 because he doesn't want it hindering his chances of victory? If anything being on his own plays to his advantage. He's been at it for something like 15 years, has (probably) the fastest boat, I think he knows what he's doing. 

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I think HB's track through the doldrums will be cruel. Looking like a much easier transition for the easterly bunch.

Charlie and Yann are looking very solid at the moment.

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15 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

I think HB's track through the doldrums will be cruel. Looking like a much easier transition for the easterly bunch.

Charlie and Yann are looking very solid at the moment.

Sitting comfortably on the sofa the more I look at the western track the less I see it making sense. It just looks long, ugly and painful in a random order. Clearly better minds than mine. 

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Yes ...  in looking at the weather and the low moving on .  HB does indeed have a difficult time ahead.....those to the west around him starting to pick up speed....HB doing double to those around him ....unless a glitch,    But he does look low  compared to them.....The eastern group having a battle royale and maybe the trades starting to reappear

 

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7 hours ago, yl75 said:

But they still are planning to rejoin the race apparently :

https://www.transatjacquesvabre.org/fr/actualites/breves/1353/des-nouvelles-de-macsf

What a fuck up ...

Just saw a tweet that they are desperate to get back to the race for the VG quali miles. Great time to think of the main objective now. 

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Recent update shows that Thompson/HB may be taking advantage of their move, now.... recently standing on the gas with almost a 10knt advantage on all of the other boats in the fleet, at nearly 22knts, Maitre Coq next fastest at just over 14knts.

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8 minutes ago, GauchoGreg said:

Recent update shows that Thompson/HB may be taking advantage of their move, now.... recently standing on the gas with almost a 10knt advantage on all of the other boats in the fleet, at nearly 22knts, Maitre Coq next fastest at just over 14knts.

Hopefully HB's seeing a positive shift coming because the  their VMG is pretty bleak.

The guys who have come through the Figaro, and to some extent the minis, seem much more comfortable to take a small gain and stay in touch with the fleet. I suspect they know their training partners strengths and weaknesses too, at least until the next round of boat mods

 

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TBF Lipinski and Hardy in their class 40 aren’t exactly following the eastern path either. There’s many ways to skin the cat and the routing choices one makes 48hrs ago based on reasonable assumptions don’t become bad at the time if the weather forecast don’t pan out. Sometimes it is just part of life. 

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Will Harris' explanation of the western option:

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The reason we have gone to the west is because on the satellite images it is showing that bushfires in Senegal are causing the land to be darker. Therefore it is heating up more and the high pressure is moving to the east to block the easterly route south…….

We are pointing to the west towards a depression that we expect to become progressive and start moving to the east in the next couple of days. Once it does this, we can tack and blast reach down towards the south. The next challenge is then to avoid the Azores high so we are monitoring the weather files very closely to check its position. It’s crazy to see such a big split in the fleet but fingers crossed our route pays off! We expect to see bigger waves and more wind than those in the east, but we’re not afraid of pushing the boat.

https://www.transatjacquesvabre.org/en/news/newswire/1366/will-harris-britain-co-skipper-malizia-ii-yacht-club-de-monaco

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Hey Fiji.  Yeah, been a busy year (missed out on the Volvo museum and getting together with Renny), and it's taken a few days of good reading to catch up on the thread. Quite liked your posts. Fresh snow has helped.

Re Alex's sail, was wondering if the foiling acceleration/deceleration speeds will reveal new stress limits for the sails, just like for so much more of the kit and kin.

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Not posting much myself, it's hard enough to just keep up these days. And we are lucky to have a lot of good posters in the Imoca threads, many of them knowledgeable frogs too. Can't wait to see a bunch of Imoca's in the TOR though, including Alex.

30 minutes ago, stief said:

Re Alex's sail, was wondering if the foiling acceleration/deceleration speeds will reveal new stress limits for the sails, just like for so much more of the kit and kin.

Usually the foilers seem to have a very smooth ride, but when they hit a bad one the stresses will be huge indeed. In this case it looks more like a manufacturing error (incl material). It would be interesting to see a picture of the repair being done, please HB !

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Another look at forecasts.  Given the difference between HB and Co's direction and what the routing suggests there are two scenarios. either my polars are way off (likely), or Exp is leaning heavily on the  earlier grib I downloaded Vs the latest grib I downloaded which does not cover enough area to finish routing. generally speaking Exp will go with the latest Grib then back step to the earlier Grib if the latest one does not cover the last part of the leg.  So, maybe tomorrows will yield a different result. The reason I did not do a full area Grib?  Trying to get dinner on the table!

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6 hours ago, mad said:

Take look at a bridge on any commercial vessel, that’s exactly what you’ll see 95% plus. 

If you're lucky, I've heard they're more likely to be doing anything other than keeping a proper watch!

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27 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

Welcome back Stief.  You've been missed.

Thanks. I'm sorry I missed following your Pacific run last winter--Hope it was memorable. Just got back from a road trip down the Oregon coast to San Fran, and man, looking at those Oregon harbour entrances from the shore side made me glad I avoided having to navigate them many years ago. I suspect you are used to them.

And thanks too for the projections. With you and yl75 giving context for the routing, and jb5 working the content, the thread confirms again, ORA is the best way to follow a race online.

So far, the 24 run numbers have been interesting to follow too. Even if some boats are heading the wrong way, these foiling IMOCAs are fast! No sign that HB is a dog.

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The leading tri was doing 20kn upwind yesterday which is not possible I don't think. Are those wind models inaccurate?

The tris seem very fast this year compared to previous years, has the design changed?

I would be very surprised if the west works for HB

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yes,  have played various models the last few days , ... but today everything has changed for the western route....and the high looking to form close to the path ...but as always they are only models....those on the course are the ones that will come across it as it happens.    

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7 minutes ago, yl75 said:

From the last gribs, the situation has improved for the South/East pack, and deteriorated for the West one ...

Pretty much over now I would say.

Hmm. I don't know.  To paraphrase a famous american writer.  Everyone complains about the weather, but no one does anything about it.

There's still at least nine days of racing to go and forecasts are maybe good for four days.

Also, there is not a big gap in finish times so more to play I think.

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8 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

Hmm. I don't know.  To paraphrase a famous american writer.  Everyone complains about the weather, but no one does anything about it.

There's still at least nine days of racing to go and forecasts are maybe good for four days.

Also, there is not a big gap in finish times so more to play I think.

yes indeed, maybe.

In fact got that impression just looking at the gribs, but redoing a routing, indeed the difference in time hasn't increased that much, just one hour more in difference.

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What has emerged for me is that Apivia and Charlie Dahn should be one of the favourites for the VG. Charlie himself says he was born for the Vendee Globe. I think he will be hard to beat, he is young and ruthless in his approach. He will be able to keep his boat up to speed longer than some of his competitors too. Long way to go in this race so let's see how he goes with Charal in close proximity. 

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I don't think there is a western route at this point.

10% behind, more wind on the rhum line than was modeled.

A ridge, then trade winds for the rum line crowd, a changing scenario for the west.

Put a fork in the west...

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One of the big advantages/disadvantages in long distance solo sail races will be how well you can cope with sleep deprivation.  Alex seems to me to have a lot of trouble with lack of sleep, I am wondering if younger people cope better with sleep deprivation?

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55 minutes ago, Rainbow Spirit said:

One of the big advantages/disadvantages in long distance solo sail races will be how well you can cope with sleep deprivation.  Alex seems to me to have a lot of trouble with lack of sleep, I am wondering if younger people cope better with sleep deprivation?

I think so. Also even Alex said on his latest video he is very tired. When your tired can you push the boat has hard as when your fresh. It's the very reason we have watches on an Ocean campaign like the Volvo. Alex has made very attempt at making his boat easier to sail than before and I'm sure this will help. But sailing from down below can you really see everything.? I know the new Auto Pilots can surf the boat better than a human it's claimed. Meanwhile Apivia proving very hard to catch ATM. 

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3 hours ago, terrafirma said:

What has emerged for me is that Apivia and Charlie Dahn should be one of the favourites for the VG. Charlie himself says he was born for the Vendee Globe. I think he will be hard to beat, he is young and ruthless in his approach. He will be able to keep his boat up to speed longer than some of his competitors too. Long way to go in this race so let's see how he goes with Charal in close proximity. 

Not to forget he has Yann Elies with him! 

.... and yes, Apivia seems to be the "Boat of the race" so far.

Other very impressive performances so far for different reasons from Banc Pop, PRB, and last of the leading group Pure.

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When they left the dock West seemed a solution, but it slowly changed as weather do.
Nobody said HB was a dog, just not a miracle boat.
Sleep patterns and biometric changes more from person to person, then from age difference.

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PRB, phww nice to know.

Le segment choisi est 46°N entre le 11°W et le 10°45 W,
Le bateau a franchi le segment à 07h48’ TU
A 09H18 TU, il recoupera le segment du Nord au Sud, et reprendra sa route normale.

And HB tacked. Finally.
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Sorry:  Posted before I saw Ahstom had already explained what happened to PRB.  Glad nothing is wrong, and hope they can get back into the position they were in! 

Looks like PRB slowed down dramatically (.9 kts in last 5 minutes) and is pointing the wrong direction.  Hope all is OK on board. 

Also, HB tacked, and I've been impressed with Enright.  I assume he doesn't have too many hours on an IMOCA.  He and Pascale have been hanging in there!

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13 hours ago, tDot said:

if I knew I couldn't beat Charal head to head. Then the best way to maximize noise for the Sponsor, is to try something unusual. Lots of chatter here and elsewhere online about Alex and his route right now.  If he was 10 or 20 deep in the pack of Imoca's off the Coast of Portugal, would he get 1/2 the attention? Alex is a showman...

The best ROI for Hugo Boss is a mast walk or a photo spraying bubbles from a podium. HB target audience (non-sailors who like the association with "glamorous" offshore sailing) doesn't give a shit about his "unusual" route, that's just us obsessives. AT wants to figure out his boat and, as a second priority, get a result.

 

6 hours ago, Rainbow Spirit said:

One of the big advantages/disadvantages in long distance solo sail races will be how well you can cope with sleep deprivation. 

Very early days to be sleep deprived. Tricky/demanding conditions of course, but need to manage that--look how fresh someone like Will Harris appears. Was surprised to see that admission in the vid. 

 

9 hours ago, Hitchhiker said:

either my polars are way off (likely)

Appreciate the effort with the routing, but... to play devil's advocate... the margin of error given you are using (old?) video game data +/- a few back-of-napkin % points here and there means... we appreciate the effort.

 

(EDIT) Looks like northern group get to beat their brains out upwind for another 24 hours pointing at the transoms of the southern group 250nm ahead. What. a. shocker.

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Latest gribs are again worse for the West pack, now a hole to traverse on Saturday, below routing for HB and Charal :

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Now gives 22 hours difference at the finish point ...

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Is Banc Pop a foiler? I think somebody here said that they removed the foils? Is that true? If yes she in my opnion would be the boat of the race.

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2 minutes ago, ET1 said:

Is Banc Pop a foiler? I think somebody here said that they removed the foils? Is that true? If yes she in my opnion would be the boat of the race.

No she’s not. BP was SMA, which was Macif that Gabart won VG on. 

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51 minutes ago, yl75 said:

Latest gribs are again worse for the West pack, now a hole to traverse on Saturday, below routing for HB and Charal :

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Now gives 22 hours difference at the finish point ...

I'd say the west  boats are cooked.  Looks to me even getting south from where they are will be hard and slow.

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8 hours ago, terrafirma said:

What has emerged for me is that Apivia and Charlie Dahn should be one of the favourites for the VG. Charlie himself says he was born for the Vendee Globe. I think he will be hard to beat, he is young and ruthless in his approach. He will be able to keep his boat up to speed longer than some of his competitors too. Long way to go in this race so let's see how he goes with Charal in close proximity. 

Apivia with all the resources around them and their skipper must be a favorite for the VG. This is the same team that is around Francois Gabart, and includes Francois himself. Major players for sure.

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Who will be the first to jibe into the Moroccan coast? 

Glad to see Apivia doing well I have thought it was a very good package and like the Verdier boats. Will be interesting to watch Advens too as they had their 4 hour stop in Brest for pilot issues 

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3 minutes ago, ctutmark said:

Who will be the first to jibe into the Moroccan coast? 

Glad to see Apivia doing well I have thought it was a very good package and like the Verdier boats. Will be interesting to watch Advens too as they had their 4 hour stop in Brest for pilot issues 

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if Apivia and Advens can hang on with new VPLP in South route then they are candidates for winning VG

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Looks like Solidaires  Tri 50 maybe has problems . ..unusual course...?

 In C40s ,   Kito / Archille  have done some serious efforts  ......to get back into this race .    I dont know anything about Loius and Aurellien , but also worked hard... 

Interesting Aymeric's position......    Ian working up ,  as is Catherine but still a bit to go .     The way the re positioning has worked out in the C40s has made it quite interesting....

It has been a job to figure the weather pattern .  after being a slow moving low, to the way it has devolved ... and to see the lower trades fill in behind as it moved  then the African trades started to develop...there was a small couple of hours HB started hitting high teens ...it looked as though the wind on the water was matching the models  but it just fritted away..and those in the west, then had to change plans    Just goes to show that they are still models . .. and always closer to reality when in a normal cycle , but when out of cycle it becomes a lottery..   but it does seem a little out of kilter compared to what i would have expected .  but as always keep clear of the Azores unless your doing AZAB, ..cause the weather gods are high .  I will stop crapping on ,but I wont forget this weather session for awhile..

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2 hours ago, Miffy said:

No she’s not. BP was SMA, which was Macif that Gabart won VG on. 

And BP is a sister ship from Ini Cour. so interesting to watch that battle. One went foils and big ones, the other stayed daggered.

Oh and Ari has a battle on to mend his mainsail, will decide near the Greenies to continue or not. they are on 2d reef and hole appearing above third.

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Charal seems to be on it now. 19.4 knots vmg.  Apivia 17.3 K vmg should be in better breeze but Charal sailing a bit higher. Cut through the Canaries? West looks to long. Arkea also looking v good still in 6th on starboard and in lighter air but still doing 12+

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Adven's still think they can get back in contact.  Good to be positive and somehow they are in front of HB despite stopping. Hard to translate this one....

Advens for Cybersecurity is now hoping for a new start at the doldrums.

It was a close decision yesterday at midday aboard Advens.  Thomas Ruyant and Antoine Koch quickly realized that the hundred miles that separated them from the head of the fleet, corresponding perfectly to the duration of their stop at Cherbourg the evening of departure, would be the most difficult to close.

Worse, the slow moving high-pressure ridge between Madeira and Gibraltar, and the difficulty of quickly reaching the trade winds, were likely to close that option. There was the option West, which the duo skillfully chose to sail toward yesterday afternoon, for a long and fast ride.


However that window changed/closed so that Thomas and Antoine (like Hugo Boss) gave up and steered South in a wind that is likely to strengthen and also to turn gradually to the North West, ideal for them to accelerate even further on a direct route to a doldrums where they hope to find the front runners, for a new start - and a massive sprint - in the trade winds from the South East.  Images on the link,

 

 

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It might be my memory failing me, but I cannot remember a transatlantic with 850 miles separation in one class... 

 

Correction: If you play back to 3 days and 20 hrs of racing, the distance between Hugo Boss and Apivia is 860 miles...

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Interesting split in the Multi 50; the leader decided to give away his lead to head towards Morocco, where the other two decided (so far) to continue heading SW. Are they going to pass the Canary islands on opposite sides?

I will be interesting to see if the leading IMOCAs, which are just 60 miles behind, will have the same type of split, or all stay together...

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Solidaires must have been trying to keep moving with those gybes . the wind must have lightened  but now making a defined swing to the coast and hopeful of more breeze

  great to see Yann out of the boat shed and having fun, he missed a couple of campaigns doing his own boat then work for others.... great stuff .  and then a bunch of constantly changing chargers  who would have thought that there would be 10 in the mix with a separation of 75 miles and such a disparate group of ages of designs...and a collection of old crusties, gals, young guns, older young guns     Now to follow Solidaires and get down for a blast....those that can will .   the drag race is about to begin

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  you know when you get into a gybing match, you get into a rhythm with the other boat then as sunset comes you dont gybe back .. your off to your so called winner planned course.

maybe Thibaut and Fred bluffed them a bit to get across to the coast

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Ouch for the west group.  Even more so come Saturday when the east leaders will be in 10 to 12 knots more breeze, at much better TWA than the west. 150's vs 102-120 TWA. 

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Looks like Charal has the legs on Apivia by a couple of knots.  Could be down to settings knowledge differences since Apivia is so new.

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Ricky Craven said:

https://www.transatjacquesvabre.org/en/news/newswires/1429/skipper-s-log-alex-thomson-britain-hugo-boss-imoca

Sewing szn. It all sounds quite grim, except for the fact they might be able to drum up ITV and watch the rugby.

Good concrete laugh, and the sail sound strong enough. Only three needles left.

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 But we’re pretty well rested, in good shape, just any spare time is being taken up banging needles through what feels like concrete. 

(Any clue from the damage what happened to the sail?)

No, not really, we’d have to speak to the sailmakers, but it shouldn’t’ve happened that’s for sure.

 

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1 hour ago, Ricky Craven said:

Is there one North loft that all the Lorient, La Trinite Sur Mer, Concarneau/PLF - based teams use, or several?  

The North Sails loft in Britanny is in Vannes (close to Lorient and La Trinité), don't think there are others in Britanny (there is also one in La Rochelle and Cherbourg, and some in the South (Mediterranean coast))

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1 hour ago, jb5 said:

Looks like Charal has the legs on Apivia by a couple of knots.  Could be down to settings knowledge differences since Apivia is so new.

 

 

The steelBull Charal right now outperforms the IMOCA fleet at midTeens and twenties reaching angles, they've got one hole year+ in the water testing (think I can remember some abandons the first races...). Plus is going to evolve with new v2 foils and maybe cockpit... Alpivia is the allround rookie by now...

A shame HB is not in the trade highWay Mix peloton, would have been really interesting to see the high speeds differences as it was in the English channel. Instead of choosing a westy melonRoute maybe better staying in touch in the classic coffeeRoute. Let's see how Alex and Neil perform in the last part of the sprint to Salvador... Fantastic Race so far

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At least HB have Advens for Cyberscurity to gauge their performance. New Vlvp vs verdier. Otherwise they would not be finding out as much as they hoped.

They seem pretty relaxed with their position now,  just need to get the sail repaired.

Playing back their reach out to Ushant from the start they looked plenty fast enough beside other boats,  twice overhauling most of the 60's.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, oioi said:

Apivia and Charal look like they are having a great duel and managed to pull out of the pack. Great tune up and I guess they are pushing each other hard. 

 

and jibed together onto port. 

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2 hours ago, jb5 said:

Blog from Pip Hare on the link at the end. In English of course. Too long to post here but a good read in my view. Talks to the objectives of this race and more. 

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Good read indeed, and a fine Corinthian manifesto.

VG distances between leaders and trailers generated some grumbling last time: next year's VG will likely be greater. The internal tension between the groups has not yet reached the breaking point.

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So, one might question what is the point in racing if you know there is not a chance to win? What is the point in entering an older boat against these carbon multi-million euro machines? Well, there are many points and I am always driven to do the best with what I have  [. . .]

As for the followers, still find watching back and forth between the "euro machines" and the corinthians rewarding. 

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45 minutes ago, jb5 said:

I can't translate what they say but this video of Charal from Apivia is pretty cool. Click the link to view. 

 

Charal talks about having AIS problems (and apologise to Apivia for it because when you're the slower boat like apivia has been for the past hours, you're  happy to have Charal on the ais to see their modding)

Charal seems higher and faster

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1 hour ago, serialsailor said:

Charal talks about having AIS problems (and apologise to Apivia for it because when you're the slower boat like apivia has been for the past hours, you're  happy to have Charal on the ais to see their modding)

Charal seems higher and faster

That's interesting to see Charal overtake them? Did anyone see that on the tracker? Apivia in front by 5-6 miles and going very fast now compared to Charal.

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I'm going to start this statement with an "I don't think its the case" disclaimer.

There is a chance Hugo Boss are playing a really long game.  A lot of the teams have flagged that they may/will build a second set of foils based upon what they learn during testing and from the results of this race.  The foils on HB are very different to everyone else's so it suits them if everyone writes off their concept and continues down the current path.  They have enough data from the old boat to make a meaningful comparison of the concepts.  

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Yann Elies is my vote for the most underrated skipper in the IMOCA class.  He is so, so good and often on an inferior boat (last VG, for example).  Mystery to me why he doesn't have a VG ride.  Maybe it will come after some more good results?  Give him a proper ride and he shows just how wisely he moves down the course.  Apivia for the win?

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43 minutes ago, Roleur said:

Yann Elies is my vote for the most underrated skipper in the IMOCA class.  He is so, so good and often on an inferior boat (last VG, for example).  Mystery to me why he doesn't have a VG ride.  Maybe it will come after some more good results?  Give him a proper ride and he shows just how wisely he moves down the course.  Apivia for the win?

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1 hour ago, SCARECROW said:

I'm going to start this statement with an "I don't think its the case" disclaimer.

There is a chance Hugo Boss are playing a really long game.  A lot of the teams have flagged that they may/will build a second set of foils based upon what they learn during testing and from the results of this race.  The foils on HB are very different to everyone else's so it suits them if everyone writes off their concept and continues down the current path.  They have enough data from the old boat to make a meaningful comparison of the concepts.  

If I ever meet the head of Hugo Boss's marketing team, I'm going to buy him/her a whole case of beer. 

 

This entire thread is a fan page for AT and HB effort at the race and their new boat, and I can't tell why. 

He's an excellent sailor, and without a doubt the new boat is interesting- but why do people seem to think he's a street ahead of the top French boats? 

 

Apivia is as enclosed, to my eye it looks like a more comfortable interpretation of the concept, and Charal has a huge budget with amazing foils too. 

 

So where does this belief AT is the fastest in the fleet come from if not a really goof marketing department?

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18 minutes ago, Icedtea said:

So where does this belief AT is the fastest in the fleet come from if not a really goof marketing department?

From the first day of this race where HB blew past Charal like they were standing still, in conditions where Charal had already been lauded as being leaps ahead of other boats (27 knots vs. 17 knots...)   

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15 minutes ago, Icedtea said:

If I ever meet the head of Hugo Boss's marketing team, I'm going to buy him/her a whole case of beer. 

 

This entire thread is a fan page for AT and HB effort at the race and their new boat, and I can't tell why. 

He's an excellent sailor, and without a doubt the new boat is interesting- but why do people seem to think he's a street ahead of the top French boats? 

 

Apivia is as enclosed, to my eye it looks like a more comfortable interpretation of the concept, and Charal has a huge budget with amazing foils too. 

 

So where does this belief AT is the fastest in the fleet come from if not a really goof marketing department?

Not sure.  But, I'm a Brit.  Born in Gosport and just committed to following my home town lad.  Not really sure he has the fastest boat.  But, he has as much charisma and tenacity as any of the other skippers.  

Apivia and Charal have shown similar form and are surely on similar development paths as HB.  

I have seen on this thread many fans of other skippers and teams, so not really sure if this is a HB fanboy thread as much as it is a Transat Jacques Vabre thread.  With a heavy emphasis on Imoca 60's.  

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1 hour ago, Roleur said:

Yann Elies is my vote for the most underrated skipper in the IMOCA class.  He is so, so good and often on an inferior boat (last VG, for example).  Mystery to me why he doesn't have a VG ride.  Maybe it will come after some more good results?  Give him a proper ride and he shows just how wisely he moves down the course.  Apivia for the win?

Sad story also for Paul Meilhat or Phil Sharp - folks with results struggle while guys who didn’t win in class 40 on new built boats get to build new imocas with venture capitalists funding. 

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17 hours ago, staysail said:

Not to forget he has Yann Elies with him! 

.... and yes, Apivia seems to be the "Boat of the race" so far.

Other very impressive performances so far for different reasons from Banc Pop, PRB, and last of the leading group Pure.

Not forget Sam and Paul... very impressive. 

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1 hour ago, Icedtea said:

If I ever meet the head of Hugo Boss's marketing team, I'm going to buy him/her a whole case of beer. 

 

This entire thread is a fan page for AT and HB effort at the race and their new boat, and I can't tell why. 

He's an excellent sailor, and without a doubt the new boat is interesting- but why do people seem to think he's a street ahead of the top French boats? 

 

Apivia is as enclosed, to my eye it looks like a more comfortable interpretation of the concept, and Charal has a huge budget with amazing foils too. 

 

So where does this belief AT is the fastest in the fleet come from if not a really goof marketing department?

The reason so many of us follow AT and HB seems obvious to me, for starters this is an English speaking site. I'm sure there are French sites and they probably back the French sailors which is what I would expect.

Alex is a media hound and is very media savvy, so that is another reason.

He has been moving up the VG rankings and could have won last time if he hadn't broken a foil.

This time around he has a radical boat, (that many of us hope will be a fast boat).

No non French person has won the VG. Need I go on?

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I also think for us non french English speaking people we want to see a non-french person beat them at their own game.! Let's face it an English person has never won this great race. I think that's the attraction for me. Not sure about other people. I think the other attraction is the somewhat level of flamboyancy of the Hugo Boss campaigns. Their marketing has been successful as you say, ala the Mast Walk, Keel Walk in a Hugo Boss suit etc. Apivia and Charal maybe the best boats/campaigns but it's still early days. One thing is for sure this will be Alex's last VG irrespective of the result IMO. And there is no sign of a real replacement for him unless someone takes over the Hugo Boss VG legacy?

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2 hours ago, Icedtea said:

So where does this belief AT is the fastest in the fleet come from if not a really goof marketing department?

It may have something to do with his results in the last two VGs and his domination of the last RdR until he had a mechanical with his watch and planted the boat into the island.

He has much less miles in his boat than his opposition, so this is all a learning experience for him.  I am still waiting to see what happens when he gets a reasonable wind behind the beam, and see if the blast down the channel was something that can be repeated.

Anyway, I would happily take a bet that he will be on the podium for the next VG.

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He didn't had a mechanical with his watch.

He decided to rely on a small piece of electronic while sleeping with his boat close to shore and on direct course toward it. Witch is undoubtely a very bad call, result of a poor sleep management.

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