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Frenchman's death during sex while on business trip a 'workplace accident,' court rules


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1 hour ago, More Cowbell2 said:

From the linked story: 

“The Paris court argued that it doesn't matter whether an accident during a business trip happens on work or personal time, unless an employer has proof an employee "interrupted his mission" for personal reasons. The court also said that sexual activity "is a matter of everyday life, like taking a shower or a meal."

To me, it sounds like his “mission” was certainly interupted,

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37 minutes ago, billy backstay said:
56 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Like a shower or meal? Do they get to expense sex with strangers on business trips as part of m&e?

I would hope so!!!

So I wonder what the per diem cap on hookers is during business trips?  I'm going to need to go back and check my global travel policy to see how to expense this.  ;)

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9 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

So I wonder what the per diem cap on hookers is during business trips?  I'm going to need to go back and check my global travel policy to see how to expense this.  ;)

 

Jethro, I don't think you can back bill your previous employers for previous business expenses.  It's kind of like the Hooker logic, "diminished value of services already provided"! :P

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2 hours ago, Rum Runner said:

I hear French law guarantees a certain amount of sex a week to everyone in the country. Isn't that how it works? 

Socialists!

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The "Comments" on that FOX site pretty much say it all.....

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27 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

The "Comments" on that FOX site pretty much say it all.....

The impression I got from those comments was that not one of the commenters had ever been outside the USA.

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3 hours ago, SloopJonB said:
3 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

The "Comments" on that FOX site pretty much say it all.....

The impression I got from those comments was that not one of the commenters had ever been outside the USA.

Never read the comments on a Fox news page or Facebook link.

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1 hour ago, El Boracho said:

If someone's sex is like taking a shower or a meal they are doing it wrong. 

Think about that.

I've had some of the best sex in a shower.

And I've had some sensational whipped cream deserts and some very nice champagne....... well, we won't go into the details on that.

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14 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Like a shower or meal? Do they get to expense sex with strangers on business trips as part of m&e?

one of my former bosses did.  And coincidentally (or not), it was in Belfort, France.

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7 hours ago, Happy said:

I would have thought that dying while having sex with a hooker on a business trip was a fairly regular occurrence. There's probably a standard insurance rate for it.

Happened to a friend of my parents on a business trip. Helen was left under the dead guy (her boss) in a hotel room in Texas. She had to crawl out from under him and get one of the salesmen to help her get him back to his own room.

If you ever met Helen you'd understand why it happened - even in her 80's she was a very good looking woman. Later in life she would get in trouble in the care facility for sneaking around late at night getting laid. :D

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20 hours ago, QBF said:

From the linked story: 

The court also said that sexual activity "is a matter of everyday life, like taking a shower or a meal."

 

The day I get it 3 times a day on a regular basis and can stop at any one of millions of locations to order it ready-made through the drive thru, I'll consider that statement true.

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7 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

The day I get it 3 times on a regular basis and can stop at any one of millions of locations to order it ready-made through the drive thru, I'll consider that statement true.

You're not?  You must be doing something wrong.

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14 hours ago, El Boracho said:

If someone's sex is like taking a shower or a meal they are doing it wrong. 

I dunno, meals in France can be pretty damn good.

French showers on the other hand... lucky to get warm water, not really 'all that.' But I've had some quite enjoyable showers here in the States, maybe the equivalent of mediocre sex or a great hand job.

- DSK

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4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Happened to a friend of my parents on a business trip. Helen was left under the dead guy (her boss) in a hotel room in Texas. She had to crawl out from under him and get one of the salesmen to help her get him back to his own room.

If you ever met Helen you'd understand why it happened - even in her 80's she was a very good looking woman. Later in life she would get in trouble in the care facility for sneaking around late at night getting laid. :D

Nelson Rockefeller was said to have "died in the saddle!"

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5 hours ago, QBF said:

Nelson Rockefeller was said to have "died in the saddle!"

I once had a client that asked me to build him an office desk that "Nelson Rockefeller could die on".....

 It was very stoutly built.

 As to the OP...... Could be a dining expense, if he was eating out.....

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I see no issue with this and am glad the court saw it the way it did.

 

He is on the road and if he dies, the company pays no matter the reason.

No difference than if he was sitting at an outdoor cafe having dinner in the customer's city and a truck accidentally runs over him.

Or he is kidnapped on the weekend and is subsequently killed..

Or being on a plane that gets flown into a building (we had this happen to one of our software engineers on 9/11).

The company sent him on this trip.  Until he gets home, they are responsible if anything happens.

It is what company employee insurance is all about.

So what if he was shagging some nookie?  What if he had that heart attack as he was jogging, or walking up 7 flights of stairs in his hotel?  is that a difference?

And who said it was a hooker. The company inferred it was a stranger..  Maybe he was smitten with Jill, the local accountant he met upon his arrival.

Maybe he was thinking of marrying the girl as he was pile driving her.

 

Company is just trying to weasel out of an obligation.

Only condition not to pay off would be if he was doing something illegal like robbing a bank when he got ventilated by the cops.


Bottom line:  What if you were traveling and had a heart attack and died?

You want your company to weasel out on your family?

At our company, we all have a min of 2x salary of insurance for free.  We can (and do) purchase extra coverage at low rates.

But if anything happens to us while traveling, that 2x policy is doubled to 4x salary.

Do not attack a dead man who cannot defend himself just to save a couple bucks.

Else your employees may not want to travel, especially to some of the shit holes in the world they send folks to..

 

 

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1 hour ago, toad said:

Come again?

As professionals, one expects certain benefits/perks for the job.

As an example.  If one is in the US armed forces, if you die, they take care of your spouse and kids until they grow up.

Does not matter if you are killed in a fire fight with the enemy, drown while sleeping in your destroyer bunk due to an idiot turning in front of a supertanker, or hit by lightening playing golf at San Diego Naval Base golf course on your day off.

 

By the same manner, "road warriors" expect their families to be taken care of if they die while traveling on company business.

Does not matter if the chemical tank you were repairing explodes, you are snuffed out in a Saran gas attack taking the subway to the office (buddy missed that attack in Tokyo by 1 day), or your body decides to shut down on you permanently.

 

I read this case as the company is looking for a reason not to pay the decedents of the employee.

If the company had a proper insurance plan, or retirement plan, there would not have been any hold up.

Only thing I can think of is he was banging the boss's wife/daughter/ex.

 

You may work for a company that does not give a rat's ass about you unless it is in the line of fire.

That is not true for most companies.

Not if they expect you to travel at a moments notice.

I spent 25 years with a laptop bag and a packed suitcase ready to roll.  Been told at 4:40 on a friday afternoon on the East coast my ass was to be in building in Sydney Australia on Monday morning.

Never worried about what would happen if things went pear shaped while traveling as I knew my company had my back.

 

This story sounds like the chiselers were looking to make the deceased look bad as a reason to reneg on paying benefits.

that is not right.

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2 hours ago, Foreverslow said:

As professionals, one expects certain benefits/perks for the job.

As an example.  If one is in the US armed forces, if you die, they take care of your spouse and kids until they grow up.

Does not matter if you are killed in a fire fight with the enemy, drown while sleeping in your destroyer bunk due to an idiot turning in front of a supertanker, or hit by lightening playing golf at San Diego Naval Base golf course on your day off.

 

By the same manner, "road warriors" expect their families to be taken care of if they die while traveling on company business.

Does not matter if the chemical tank you were repairing explodes, you are snuffed out in a Saran gas attack taking the subway to the office (buddy missed that attack in Tokyo by 1 day), or your body decides to shut down on you permanently.

 

I read this case as the company is looking for a reason not to pay the decedents of the employee.

If the company had a proper insurance plan, or retirement plan, there would not have been any hold up.

Only thing I can think of is he was banging the boss's wife/daughter/ex.

 

You may work for a company that does not give a rat's ass about you unless it is in the line of fire.

That is not true for most companies.

Not if they expect you to travel at a moments notice.

I spent 25 years with a laptop bag and a packed suitcase ready to roll.  Been told at 4:40 on a friday afternoon on the East coast my ass was to be in building in Sydney Australia on Monday morning.

Never worried about what would happen if things went pear shaped while traveling as I knew my company had my back.

 

This story sounds like the chiselers were looking to make the deceased look bad as a reason to reneg on paying benefits.

that is not right.

This is exactly the intent of the French law on work insurance.

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Reminded me of the Bishop who was found dead of a heart attack......on the sidewalk, two doors down from a long-established famous brothel, with his pants on back to front and wearing one shoe. Can't remember if it was Sydney or London, but it was hilarious.

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So the next Frenchman who is away on business contracts the Clap or some other STD. He then infects his wife who files for divorce. Is it the husband’s company responsible for spousal support and alimony payments?

Seem logical under the ruling in the OP.

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When employees travel outside of their country, even U.S. employees, the courts look at the entire trip as "work related."  I saw a case where the U.S. guy had to work in Germany, went to the ski slopes and broke his leg - not a health insurance claim.  It was a work related workers compensation claim.

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