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Ishmael 6,426 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Norse Horse said: That's north of Galiano I bet. Plumper Sound. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Salazar 107 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Dredge No. 4 is a wooden-hulled bucketline sluice dredge that mined placer gold on the Yukon River from 1913 until 1959. It is now located along Bonanza Creek Road 13 kilometres (8.1 mi) south of the Klondike Highway near Dawson City, Yukon, where it is preserved as one of the National Historic Sites of Canada. It is the largest wooden-hulled dredge in North America. With its 72 large buckets, the dredge excavated gravel at the rate of 22 buckets per minute, processing 18,000 cubic yards (14,000 m3) of material per day. It was in use from late April or early May until late November each season, and sometimes throughout winter. During its operational lifetime, it captured nine tons of gold. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mayday12 3 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Zonker said: Now you're making me feel old. The "Nadon" was first of the class and I helped with the design in my early days. One is now tied up at the Vancouver Maritime Museum as a retired museum boat! They are awesome boats. After sea trials we got a call from them somewhere near Hecate Strait. They had to slow down to 27 knots - because the seas were over 6'. We had to gently explain that was a wee bit beyond the design sea state/speed and please back off on the throttle. I seem to remember hearing some rumours about severe corrosion issues on those boats - just rumours or any truth to it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mayday12 3 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Zonker said: Now you're making me feel old. The "Nadon" was first of the class and I helped with the design in my early days. One is now tied up at the Vancouver Maritime Museum as a retired museum boat! They are awesome boats. After sea trials we got a call from them somewhere near Hecate Strait. They had to slow down to 27 knots - because the seas were over 6'. We had to gently explain that was a wee bit beyond the design sea state/speed and please back off on the throttle. I seem to remember hearing some rumours about severe corrosion issues on those boats - just rumours or any truth to it? Edited September 27, 2019 by mayday12 double post Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eric1207 177 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Coming into Nanaimo Julyish 2017 this thing came roaring out of the harbor. Slow at first, just hovering over the water. Water flying everywhere, so much so the hull was hidden by the spray, kind of freaky as we didn't know what the heck it was, was it going to gobble us up?? And loud as all get out, even from 1000 yards. Then it slowly picked up speed as it went by til it flew out into the Strait of Georgia. Very impressive, did I say it was loud? Canadian Coast Guard obviously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,426 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Those hovercraft are pretty neat, but as you said, really loud. We watched one help out a sailor from Alaska who tried to go through the Cut at Thetis Island. The sailor ended up scrubbing the bottom of his boat while that hovercraft sat 100' feet off blowing spray and noise everywhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eric1207 177 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Nice idea for a thread Norse. Need more sailboats, wheres the tall ships? Here's a nifty period pic of the retired fire boat Duwamish mentioned in post #1. And another LInk. Now it resides between the 1889 120' Arthur Foss Tug which maybe the oldest wood tug in the world and the 1904 130' light ship that was once stationed on the Swiftsure Bank off the coast of Washington and is the name sake of the Salish Sea's premier Sailboat Race. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeroy Jenkins 219 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, Ishmael said: .... tried to go through the Cut at Thetis Island. Jeezus, from which direction and how far did he get? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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eric1207 177 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 One more: Steam Paddlewheeler Blumisalp, Lake Thun, Interlaken, Switzerland. Mesmerizing watching that slow moving crank and piston rods, (I have the movie) Note the skipper on the wing bridge using a voice pipe for commands to the engine room. Amazing how fast the paddle wheels stopped that boat when he threw it in reverse. Must have a lot of torque, if thats the correct term. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sadug 70 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 7 hours ago, sadug said: This is going to be a great thread. To quote the wife: "Are all of our travel photos going to be boats and motorcycles?" As an example Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kent_island_sailor 3,696 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 6 hours ago, eric1207 said: One more: Steam Paddlewheeler Blumisalp, Lake Thun, Interlaken, Switzerland. Mesmerizing watching that slow moving crank and piston rods, (I have the movie) Note the skipper on the wing bridge using a voice pipe for commands to the engine room. Amazing how fast the paddle wheels stopped that boat when he threw it in reverse. Must have a lot of torque, if thats the correct term. Torque is very much the correct term. Piston steam engines have maximum torque at 0 RPM, which is why railroad steam engines don't need gears to get moving. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBW 111 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 9 hours ago, mayday12 said: I seem to remember hearing some rumours about severe corrosion issues on those boats - just rumours or any truth to it? Not sure, she was replaced by a much larger ship, about 140 ft. The replacement has onboard accomodations for 8 or 9 crew and a couple of good sized RIBs. I got this pic of her at a tall ships festival in Brockville. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KC375 1,687 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 MV Hiawatha built in 1895 for the Royal Canadian Yacht Club,. Built by the Bertram Engine Works near Queen's Wharf in Toronto harbour. The oldest passenger vessel still in active service on the Great Lakes. M/V Kwasind is a passenger ferry built in 1912 for the Royal Canadian Yacht Club, in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. She was built by the Polson Iron Works and cost CA$13,000. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Q 466 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 How about the last seagoing paddle steamer in the world, well she will be again if they can raise the money for another set of boilers... ( nearly there..) https://www.waverleyexcursions.co.uk/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NaClH20 96 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 A fun one from the “architect got drunk in a bar, and this is what happened” files... The Ship Docking Module. Has two Z-drives, one in the “bow” and one in the “stern”, each offset opposite sides from centerline. As such, can exert full 60 tons bollard pull in any direction. Completely interchangeable and symmetrical bow to stern (2 sets of running lights depending on which way you’re going) and able to go dead sideways at 6 knots. Have an offer to go for a ride someday, which I need to when I can find some time. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBW 111 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, KC375 said: MV Hiawatha built in 1895 for the Royal Canadian Yacht Club,. Built by the Bertram Engine Works near Queen's Wharf in Toronto harbour. The oldest passenger vessel still in active service on the Great Lakes. M/V Kwasind is a passenger ferry built in 1912 for the Royal Canadian Yacht Club, in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. She was built by the Polson Iron Works and cost CA$13,000. I skippered both of them part time after college. Wonderful boats to handle, especially the Kwasind. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monsoon 328 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 13 hours ago, SloopJonB said: Anyone remember Howard Hughs's foray into shipping? Sure, the Glomar Explorer. Here sistership was the Glomar Challenger, which was the ship that began scientific ocean drilling in the late '60s. The JOIDES Resolution was and is the successor to the Challenger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NaClH20 96 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 hours ago, monsoon said: Sure, the Glomar Explorer. Here sistership was the Glomar Challenger, which was the ship that began scientific ocean drilling in the late '60s. The JOIDES Resolution was and is the successor to the Challenger. And because of it we now have the “Glomar Response”. Press got wind of this thing and asked what was going on. The CIA, because of FOI had to say something, but any mention at all would scupper the project. After some thinking, some anonymous agent (not so any more... he’s been interviewed) came up with “we can neither confirm nor deny...”. And the rest is history Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Israel Hands 618 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 4 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said: Torque is very much the correct term. Piston steam engines have maximum torque at 0 RPM, which is why railroad steam engines don't need gears to get moving. I was on one of these Thunersee boats 20 years ago...unfortunately missed the immaculate steam engine view! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Israel Hands 618 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 17 hours ago, TBW said: The Tracy and the Pierre Radison again or is the closer boat the Amundson? Hard to see anything besides the beautiful Frontenac in that one... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longy 540 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 6 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said: Torque is very much the correct term. Piston steam engines have maximum torque at 0 RPM, which is why railroad steam engines don't need gears to get moving. Torque is great, but just as important is the large surface area of the wheels - they move a lot of water. Hell of a lot more surface than a propeller, even if not as efficient. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Norse Horse 611 Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 Wow look what CL has for a listing. Your own ship. https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/bod/d/parksville-ex-cg-cutter-for-sale-us/6987106676.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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KC375 1,687 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 5 hours ago, The Q said: How about the last seagoing paddle steamer in the world, well she will be again if they can raise the money for another set of boilers... ( nearly there..) https://www.waverleyexcursions.co.uk/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 2,859 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 On 9/26/2019 at 7:29 PM, mayday12 said: I seem to remember hearing some rumours about severe corrosion issues on those boats - just rumours or any truth to it Yes, I heard about some but was away cruising when it was referred to our office to check out so no details unfortunately. The Arneson drives have a big bronze casting and if you don't keep up with your anodes, the aluminum nearby will be attacked. Not saying that is what happened; just speculating. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 2,859 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 This has to be one of the weirdest vessel I was involved in designing. I was the PM. For the Caspian Sea, where drilling for oil on little artificial islands needed multiple emergency evacuation vessels in case of a sour gas (H2S) blowout and resulting super poisonous gas cloud. I present the "IBEEV" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icebreaking_Emergency_Evacuation_Vessel - ice breaking - shallow draft (2m max) - ~340 persons - multiple airlocks - air tight, rebreathers for pax - blast proof resistant (notice the shutters for the wheelhouses) - air independent propulsion (diesels ran on compressed air for 1/2 hour to get out of the gas cloud) - twin independent engine rooms - diesel/electric The huge circular cutouts in the web frames were for the compressed air tanks - 600mm dia x 10m long @ 200 bar or so. Had to install the tanks before the engine rooms were closed up! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mayday12 3 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 16 hours ago, TBW said: Not sure, she was replaced by a much larger ship, about 140 ft. The replacement has onboard accomodations for 8 or 9 crew and a couple of good sized RIBs. I got this pic of her at a tall ships festival in Brockville. Well, continuing with the innuendo and rumours (and thread drift) apparently those ones were certified for their designed rating, but the (some?) crew have demanded they not operate in rough seas due to the "very uncomfortable" ride they experience. Apparently it's being "reviewed". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeroy Jenkins 219 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 The story on this coast is that they were 'stretched'.... And rough seas in Brockton? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Veeger 352 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Zonker said: This has to be one of the weirdest vessel I was involved in designing. I was the PM. For the Caspian Sea, where drilling for oil on little artificial islands needed multiple emergency evacuation vessels in case of a sour gas (H2S) blowout and resulting super poisonous gas cloud. I present the "IBEEV" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icebreaking_Emergency_Evacuation_Vessel - ice breaking - shallow draft (2m max) - ~340 persons - multiple airlocks - air tight, rebreathers for pax - blast proof resistant (notice the shutters for the wheelhouses) - air independent propulsion (diesels ran on compressed air for 1/2 hour to get out of the gas cloud) - twin independent engine rooms - diesel/electric The huge circular cutouts in the web frames were for the compressed air tanks - 600mm dia x 10m long @ 200 bar or so. Had to install the tanks before the engine rooms were closed up! Fascinating solution, but.... it seems to me that by the time the 'cloud' is that big, notifying, evacuating, loading folks aboard takes time. Be a miracle if it would also have been able to avoid an ignition source as well. But, it's good for the safety engineers, "...at least we tried...." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panope 377 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 I used to drone back and forth over Puget sound multiple times per day. I enjoyed studying the wakes of the various commercial craft coming and going from the ports of Seattle and Tacoma. My favorite was the Orca Class Ship(s?) operated by TOTE. Admired for it's very small wake and (I assume) efficient operation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tar34 2 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 St Simons Is Ga. Pretty tippy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,594 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 I thought they would have started to parbuckle that thing by now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tar34 2 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 https://youtu.be/bEYc0s629NE Youtube did not allow embedding of this video Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 2,859 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Veeger said: Fascinating solution, but.... it seems to me that by the time the 'cloud' is that big, notifying, evacuating, loading folks aboard takes time. Be a miracle if it would also have been able to avoid an ignition source as well. But, it's good for the safety engineers, "...at least we tried...." They also had airtight refuges on shore - with airtight gangways that would mate to the ship. In the event of a gas cloud release you run to the refuges. If they can't contain the blowout, then you evacuate to the ships. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KC375 1,687 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 49 minutes ago, Zonker said: They also had airtight refuges on shore - with airtight gangways that would mate to the ship. In the event of a gas cloud release you run to the refuges. If they can't contain the blowout, then you evacuate to the ships. Suddenly Alberta’s tar sands start to seem competitive alternative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,426 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, KC375 said: Suddenly Alberta’s tar sands start to seem competitive alternative. Bite your tongue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KC375 1,687 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ishmael said: Bite your tongue. I wasn't arguing for exporting via BC, I'm fine with Keystone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SemiSalt 215 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 This is off-topic, but I'd like to ask this question of the assembled brain-power: What are the diagonal pipe structures on the top sides of some British and German battleships of the WW1 era? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Veeger 352 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 hours ago, SemiSalt said: This is off-topic, but I'd like to ask this question of the assembled brain-power: What are the diagonal pipe structures on the top sides of some British and German battleships of the WW1 era? I think they were for rigging anti-mine net defenses when in harbor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Veeger 352 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Zonker said: They also had airtight refuges on shore - with airtight gangways that would mate to the ship. In the event of a gas cloud release you run to the refuges. If they can't contain the blowout, then you evacuate to the ships. Must have been some REALLY sour crude in that field. H2S is deadly and when you can smell it, you're dead---or about to be. I don't think you could pay me enough to work that field. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Veeger said: I think they were for rigging anti-mine net defenses when in harbor Anti torpedo net booms. Crikey is that a scow bow. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Talking bows USS Alarm. Fully submersed paddle wheel , torpedo on a prod what’s not to like. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Not exactly commercial and previous owner is the worlds greatest social welfare beneficiary but sure puts the oligarch monstrosities to shame aesthetically. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,594 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 And was quickly convertible to a hospital ship. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,481 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Typical monarchs ruse to justify baubles charged to the public credit card. Crikey Queenies bit of fluff was still banging on about a upgrade 2017. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/21/prince-philip-backed-plans-new-royal-yacht-britannia-could-used/ Used to evacuate remenants of colonial rule 1986 interestingly Yemen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KC375 1,687 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 5 hours ago, SloopJonB said: And was quickly convertible to a hospital ship. But used wrong propulsion / fuel help in Falkland / Malvinas dust up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 5,299 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Priscilla said: Crikey is that a scow bow. I'm pretty sure that's a scow stern, not bow. And yes, nailed it on the torpedo net booms. FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Knut Grotzki 125 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Speaking of elegance: Royal Danish yacht Dannebrog, built 1932 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SemiSalt 215 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Priscilla said: Anti torpedo net booms. Crikey is that a scow bow. I assumed that was the stern, what with the flag and all. Thanks Veeger and Priscilla for the explanations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toddster 484 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Hmm... Torpedo net... OK. But why would a Nuevo Sternwheeler/Tourist Hauler have them? I think they're wood 4 x 12's or such and attached to the boat with a little chain at the upper end and the bottom end rests in a bracket. One of these days, it'll bug me enough to hail them and ask. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBW 111 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 hour ago, toddster said: Hmm... Torpedo net... OK. But why would a Nuevo Sternwheeler/Tourist Hauler have them? I think they're wood 4 x 12's or such and attached to the boat with a little chain at the upper end and the bottom end rests in a bracket. One of these days, it'll bug me enough to hail them and ask. I think those are lock fenders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toddster 484 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Hmm. A good possibility, but I don't quite see how it would work - there is a 3-4 foot wide side deck below the things, so if lifted out of the brackets, they would drape diagonally to/over the edge of the deck. That boat does go through the Bonneville locks every day. In fact, that's where I first noticed the timbers, when I locked through with them. Didn't seem to be in use that day. They seem to use tires like everyone else... My best guess was "decorations." But they don't seem to be particularly attractive decorations. Maybe it's just me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winston29 76 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 A (crazy) friend getting up close and personal with some of the Big Boys in SF. I stayed under the pier and away from the prop. These were taken 10 years ago, so I'm pretty sure I'm safely past any statute of limitations on maritime trespassing. 1) Found a cruise ship in dry dock. We were able to paddle right up/under it. I wish I could find the photo I took from under the bow. It was pretty cool! 2) My perspective, looking out from under cover as my friend inspected the hull of a car hauler at Pier 50. 3) His perspective, looking back at me, hiding under the pier where I felt relatively safe. 4) It's amazing how wide these ships are. The side of the ship is touching the pier behind him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBW 111 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 hour ago, toddster said: Hmm. A good possibility, but I don't quite see how it would work - there is a 3-4 foot wide side deck below the things, so if lifted out of the brackets, they would drape diagonally to/over the edge of the deck. That boat does go through the Bonneville locks every day. In fact, that's where I first noticed the timbers, when I locked through with them. Didn't seem to be in use that day. They seem to use tires like everyone else... My best guess was "decorations." But they don't seem to be particularly attractive decorations. Maybe it's just me. Heres a pic of an old canal steamer (non replica) built in the 1880s. I think the replica boats are trying to copy the style of the old river/canal boats. Some locks don't permit the use of tires. Here is a screenshot of the Fenders section in the St Lawrence Seaway Handbook. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toddster 484 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Yep, seems obvious now. Totally decorative Old-TImey-Look™ fake fenders. Since they seemed to have a mechanism, I was always trying to figure out how they could actually be used for something. Permanent all-round fenders? What a concept! Makes too much sense to actually do. Someone took a big chunk out of a bridge pylon last year in the middle of the night and nobody saw nothin! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stumblingthunder 576 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 8:19 AM, Priscilla said: Talking bows USS Alarm. Fully submersed paddle wheel , torpedo on a prod what’s not to like. An early rendition of one of these: A Voith Schneider Propeller. Used in tugs, research vessels and anything else that needs near instant 360 degree thrust. Like Z-drives, really expensive to run aground. Also sounds like some sort of SciFi spaceship space folding engine.... "We are positioned for the jump. Activate the Voith Schneider drive, NOW!!!" - Stumbling 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Norse Horse 611 Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 Two of the largest ferry fleets in the world here are in the PNW, with Washington State having the second largest volume in the world and BC Ferries having the second most vessels in the fleet. BC Ferries Celebrates Over 50 Years of Service | BC Ferries - British Columbia Ferry Services Inc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Ferries This Week in History: 1961: The province takes over Black Ball Ferries | Vancouver Sun Funny how non boating people love their ferries, especially the older ones. The pic below is our local ferry, the oldest in the fleet at 61 years, the North Island Princess, pictured below busting some serious weather crossing the Malaspina. The ship was stretched and widened in a refit and the little cat became known as the Playtex Princess. The only cat hull in the fleet, after the Fast Cats were sold. http://www.westcoastferries.ca/ferries/bcferries/northislandprincess.html She still serves the public admirably but will soon be replaced by a diesel electric ship, as BC and WA ferries convert their fleets. A charging station will be built where she berths at Blubber Bay, as she is docked there for the night, as Westview is too open to the winter storms. Many will mourn her passing including me. BC Ferries moving to electric-powered ships https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_retired_BC_Ferries_ships 'Ferry Tales' | The Tyee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luminary 34 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Dont try and tell me its not a commercial ship Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Norse Horse 611 Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 I admire the engineering in that rig. Note the skylight at the base of the centre mast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
QBF 527 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Sternwheeler cruise on the Saint Croix river in Minnesota. https://www.stillwaterriverboats.com/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salazar 107 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 7:27 PM, toddster said: Yep, seems obvious now. Totally decorative Old-TImey-Look™ fake fenders. Since they seemed to have a mechanism, I was always trying to figure out how they could actually be used for something. Permanent all-round fenders? What a concept! Makes too much sense to actually do. Someone took a big chunk out of a bridge pylon last year in the middle of the night and nobody saw nothin! I could be wrong but I seem to remember, from a tour 15 years ago, of the S.S. Klondike Riverboat that these were part of a system to support and lever the boat over sandbars in the river, used along with the "Grasshopper Poles" on the bow. I can't find any info on the technique for these spars on the sides of the boats but the Yukon River Steamboats had them and there were no locks there to navigate through. On the Klondike they seem too far in from the sides of the hull in their storage position to be fenders but they may still be used as fenders of sorts. "When a steamer ran aground on shoals, sand bars or muddy river bottom, the "spars" were utilized which were stiff wooden poles set down into the river bottom. A wire cable connected the spars to the derrick and then with a winch at the capstan. When the wire was taught, the boat was lifted up and out of the mud and forward towards the river waters. At the same time the paddewheel would churn sand and water, aiming to propel the ship ahead. Such a navigational feat was referred to as the "grasshopper". You can see the S.S. Klondike's Grasshopper Poles and their rigging in the photo below: 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Sox 771 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Comparison of the old and the new Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SASSAFRASS 587 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Titan formerly Herman the German, seized by the allies in ww2. Spent the night on a mooring in Gamboa. A little fellow going in the new lock at Gatun, crazy to watch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,594 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 22 hours ago, Norse Horse said: Two of the largest ferry fleets in the world here are in the PNW, with Washington State having the second largest volume in the world and BC Ferries having the second most vessels in the fleet. I remember when B.C. Ferries used to say they were the "12th largest Navy in the world". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toddster 484 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Salazar said: I could be wrong but I seem to remember, from a tour 15 years ago, of the S.S. Klondike Riverboat that these were part of a system to support and lever the boat over sandbars in the river, used along with the "Grasshopper Poles" on the bow. I can't find any info on the technique for these spars on the sides of the boats but the Yukon River Steamboats had them and there were no locks there to navigate through. On the Klondike they seem too far in from the sides of the hull in their storage position to be fenders but they may still be used as fenders of sorts. "When a steamer ran aground on shoals, sand bars or muddy river bottom, the "spars" were utilized which were stiff wooden poles set down into the river bottom. A wire cable connected the spars to the derrick and then with a winch at the capstan. When the wire was taught, the boat was lifted up and out of the mud and forward towards the river waters. At the same time the paddewheel would churn sand and water, aiming to propel the ship ahead. Such a navigational feat was referred to as the "grasshopper". You can see the S.S. Klondike's Grasshopper Poles and their rigging in the photo below: I'd quite like to see that! Also a bit reminiscent of "drying legs" carried by some sailboats. But they seem to be mounted too high and inboard for most of these proposed uses... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Salazar 107 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, toddster said: I'd quite like to see that! Also a bit reminiscent of "drying legs" carried by some sailboats. But they seem to be mounted too high and inboard for most of these proposed uses... Here is another description of the process: "Sparring", "walking the boat" or "grass-hoppering" Sparring was a means of actually lifting the bow of a steamboat as if on crutches, up and off a sand bar with stout spars, block and tackle, and the use of the paddle wheels to lift and move the boat through successive stages, over the bar. This booming a boat off a bar was by it's very action know as "walking the boat" and "grass-hoppering." Two long sturdy spars were forced forward from the bow on each side of the boat into the sand of the bar at a high degree of angle. Near the end of each spar a block was fastened with a strong rope or hawser passing through the pulleys which went down through a pair of similar blocks secured on the deck near the bow. The end of each hawser went to a capstan, which when turned would tighten and with its weight on the spars, slightly lift the bow of the boat. Engaging the paddle wheels forward and by the placement of the spars caused a lifting of the bow off the sand bar and moving the boat ahead perhaps a few feet. This was laborious and dangerous work for the crew even with a steam driven capstan. https://books.google.ca/books?id=tsanyZWcqMEC&pg=PA254&lpg=PA254&dq=spars+for+grounded+river+boat&source=bl&ots=HwVifSkRAP&sig=ACfU3U3vOga3R-CoNDLN5J_fqCGeD_q7Xg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-7oL9-_3kAhWLUt8KHTJyC9oQ6AEwCnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=spars for grounded river boat&f=false Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crash 620 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 https://www.facebook.com/MemphisUSACE/posts/grasshopper-poles-were-a-regular-part-of-every-steamboat-navigating-the-mississi/984332481632563/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Norse Horse 611 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Salazar said: I could be wrong but I seem to remember, from a tour 15 years ago, of the S.S. Klondike Riverboat that these were part of a system to support and lever the boat over sandbars in the river, used along with the "Grasshopper Poles" on the bow. I can't find any info on the technique for these spars on the sides of the boats but the Yukon River Steamboats had them and there were no locks there to navigate through. On the Klondike they seem too far in from the sides of the hull in their storage position to be fenders but they may still be used as fenders of sorts. "When a steamer ran aground on shoals, sand bars or muddy river bottom, the "spars" were utilized which were stiff wooden poles set down into the river bottom. A wire cable connected the spars to the derrick and then with a winch at the capstan. When the wire was taught, the boat was lifted up and out of the mud and forward towards the river waters. At the same time the paddewheel would churn sand and water, aiming to propel the ship ahead. Such a navigational feat was referred to as the "grasshopper". You can see the S.S. Klondike's Grasshopper Poles and their rigging in the photo below: Love those Yukon stories. Sternwheelers: The Yukon River - Yukon Archives Online Exhibit - English Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grizz 39 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 How about USS LST-510, now operating daily for the Cross Sound Ferry Company between Orient Point and New London as the "Cape Henlopen." Landed troops and armor during the Normandy invasion, made multiple transatlantic crossings, with a long and interesting commercial career. She may be the only D-Day veteran ship still in active service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_LST-510 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Santana20AE 211 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Grizz said: How about USS LST-510, now operating daily for the Cross Sound Ferry Company between Orient Point and New London as the "Cape Henlopen." Landed troops and armor during the Normandy invasion, made multiple transatlantic crossings, with a long and interesting commercial career. She may be the only D-Day veteran ship still in active service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_LST-510 Neat ship with interesting history. Hoping she can still sport her Battle Star Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Norse Horse 611 Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 I admire that the bow is still on there... see no8 on the list. https://www.hotcars.com/pictures-of-boats-too-ugly-for-the-water/ " Pizza freaks need look no further. Called one of the ugliest ships to ever exist by more than a few sites, the Ramform Titan is unabashedly ugly in a way that only its shipyard mother could truly love. But that’s OK, as the massive—and we mean really massive ship—needs to have this pizza-slice shape in order to maximize stability on the water. The Titan is a seismic ship, designed to monitor all sorts of seismic movements underwater. Titan launched in 2013 and is more than 341 feet long and almost 230 feet at its widest point, making it easily the widest ship in the world. It’s very interesting that it can be fully navigated with just two propellers, if need be. " Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chester 769 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1.48 length to beam ratio, bad upwind number? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inneedofadvice 124 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 the back fell off. Time to tow it outside the environment. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tylo 72 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 HSS Stena Carisma (aka Stena Express) She used to run between Gothenburg in Sweden and Fredrikshavn in Denmark. Powered by two gas turbines turning a jet drive each. She hasn't moved for over six years now due to rising oil prices and from what I've been able to gather locals here in Gothenburg are rejoicing. The exhaust from the gas turbines used to create oil films on the windows of buildings near the river and the wash from the jet drives (each apparently pumping over 1000 cubic ft/second) were a nightmare for any boat tied up in the river. This first picture is in her current state, I don't know if the weird trim is because they've taken stuff out of her or because her tanks are pumped dry. Nevertheless she doesn't get much love, I've seen a broken window and she's covered in bird shit. The second picture is from sometime before 2013, you can see the crazy jet wash as well as how thin those hulls are - always surprises me about boats like this how low the underwater volume looks to be compared to a monohull. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sadug 70 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Norse Horse said: I admire that the bow is still on there... see no8 on the list. https://www.hotcars.com/pictures-of-boats-too-ugly-for-the-water/ " Pizza freaks need look no further. Called one of the ugliest ships to ever exist by more than a few sites, the Ramform Titan is unabashedly ugly in a way that only its shipyard mother could truly love. But that’s OK, as the massive—and we mean really massive ship—needs to have this pizza-slice shape in order to maximize stability on the water. The Titan is a seismic ship, designed to monitor all sorts of seismic movements underwater. Titan launched in 2013 and is more than 341 feet long and almost 230 feet at its widest point, making it easily the widest ship in the world. It’s very interesting that it can be fully navigated with just two propellers, if need be. " Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salazar 107 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Back in 2000 we tried out the HSC Max Mols as a Newfoundland Ferry Service between North Sydney and Channel-Port aux Basques for Marine Atlantic. Introduced on charter during the summer season to evaluate whether a high speed catamaran vessel was suitable for the Cabot Strait crossing, the vessel could travel at speeds of up to 48 knots. With the ability to carry 780 passengers and 200 cars, the 5617 tonne vessel helped increase capacity during the summer period. Scheduled to be in service for one summer in advance of the arrival of the MV Leif Ericson to the service, the HSC Max Mols wasn’t popular with many customers who complained of seasickness due to the increased speeds and movement during the crossing, as well as the vessel’s unsuitability to environmental conditions in the Cabot Strait. She was a bit of a curiosity though, and some customers just did a walk on and made the round trip the same day so they could see what riding a CAT was like. The CAT did shave some time off what is normally a 5 to 6 hour crossing if conditions were good. (not my photo, found online) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
See Level 748 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Norse Horse said: I admire that the bow is still on there... see no8 on the list. https://www.hotcars.com/pictures-of-boats-too-ugly-for-the-water/ " Pizza freaks need look no further. Called one of the ugliest ships to ever exist by more than a few sites, the Ramform Titan is unabashedly ugly in a way that only its shipyard mother could truly love. But that’s OK, as the massive—and we mean really massive ship—needs to have this pizza-slice shape in order to maximize stability on the water. The Titan is a seismic ship, designed to monitor all sorts of seismic movements underwater. Titan launched in 2013 and is more than 341 feet long and almost 230 feet at its widest point, making it easily the widest ship in the world. It’s very interesting that it can be fully navigated with just two propellers, if need be. " Looks like they forgot to open the rest of the design pages that had the rest off the ship construction on them.
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