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Charlie has done the old soak down wind....direct.  he has a few miles up his sleeve and he goes directly closer to his goal....even if its for a short time and that it is slower but works when the wind is up....  cause no expects this...   he is elusive and he might be playing with the minds of the others.   or its a glitch in the tracker

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":A 2h18 heure française, le team PRB a été informé du sauvetage de Kevin Escoffier par Jean Le Cam. " Kevin has been rescued.  

Give it a rest chaps. HB was another attempt at evolution, and they should be applauded for spending a fuck ton of money to do so. If you want to try and be innovative you run the risk of breakages al

VG sailors at sea in the rough A translation: JLC: Damien can you receive me ? DS: Yes Jean I can (garbled)... I don't think you're receiving me that well but I receive you very well. JL

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17 hours ago, cms said:

Why do several commentators suggest Boris is "faster" than Louis? Difference between the boats?

Boris' boat has had a full overhaul in 2020 with a new name, Seaexplorer - Yacht Club de Monaco and notably new foils 

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Weather update

The big picture is in pic #1 with the NOAA OPC synoptic map overlay for the North Atlantic at the 25th 06 UTC. The Azores HP is expanding NE. The LP north of the fleet has arrived at Cabo Finisterre, accompanying through located west and east of that LP. Far west of the fleet the Atlantic is a big mess with LP’s, gales and hurricane force winds. Luckily, these are far enough of the fleet. The closest LP is moving NE towards Iceland. 


The big picture #2 for the 26th 12 UTC is that the Azores HP has moved northeast. The HP over the finish has moved east into France. West of the fleet several LP’s creating 6 to 7 Bft wind north of the Azores which would impact the most western boats of the fleet, with 35 kts wind. Moving east. Yellow arrows indicate projected boat positions.


The big picture for the 27th 00 UTC is in pic #3. One LP with cold front will move slowly northeast. The LP itself located north of the Azores, and the cold front over the Azores, 35-45 kts wind expected over the Azores. 
So the forecast for the Bay of Biscayne and further north at the 27th 00 UTC has improved a lot, now the forecasted HP’s over France and Spain are projected to stay there. And the LP is forecasted further away at the Atlantic. The isobars indicate nice sailing weather (4 Bft) instead of the 5 or 6 Bft earlier. That is good news for the exhausted sailors.

The sea state is in pic # 4. All boats in the top-9 in 3 and a bit meters according to ECMWF and NOAA WW-3 models. The 5 meter wave frontier is moving east on the Atlantic due the various LP’s and gales. But these waves are still far away, 500 nm west of the most western skipper Dutreux. If Dutreux and Le Cam go north before heading east, they could get some 5+ meters on the 26th. Unless they head earlier east. Waves in the Bay of Biscay are settling from current 3 meters to 2 meters in the morning of the 26th.

Pic #5 has the weather routing table, and pic # 6 the adjusted finish times. All ETA’s have been pushed back a couple of hours later. That would be the lighter wind conditions now projected all the way up towards the finish. Dalin now projected to beat Burton to the finish with 2,5 hours, and grabbing 2nd ranking. Herrmann projected to arrive 4 hrs later than Burton, grabbing 1st ranking. Bestaven grabbing 3rd after correction. Burton 4th atm. Four boats within 5 hrs delta finish time after compensation, so the final results stay very, very close atm. 

 


 

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pic 6 VG ranking after time compensations 25-01-21.png

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I wonder if and when they will start hand steering to get every bit of soaking towards the finish line they can extract from these boats. It's all about VMG now in these downwind conditions all the way to the line.

Over the past 4 hours Dalin on starboard is still able to maintain higher speed than both Burton and Boris, and that's his weak side. Pretty impressive.

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28 minutes ago, stief said:

Thanks Herman. Interesting how that shows Yannick is still worth watching. (aside: shouldn't  JLC be 16.25 hrs?)

Thanks Stief, I have made a typo in the time compensation for Le Cam, he was awarded 16,25 and not 18,25 deduction. That would put Ruyant in 5th and JLC in 6th ranking. 

And Bestaven is certainly worth watching, he is only 45 minutes later projected than Dalin atm. Which is too close to call.

 

 

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On Instagram Ambrogio Beccaria, Mini Transat winner and dominator of the class, has made a simulation, and projects a Maitre Coq win; 2 Sea Explorer 1.35 h; 3 Apivia 2.40h; 4 Bureau Valle 3.40 h. Very close between those four, the others further back.

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3 hours ago, Bebmoumoute said:

The channel in Les Sables will be open for IMOCAS from 13h to 16h on wednesday. After that it will be 1 on Thursday morning.

https://twitter.com/CapVG20/status/1353639346767876096?s=20

Thanks for adding the link. Having a parade in order of finish (and maybe delta) at sunrise Thursday could be spectacular for the ones who miss the tide. Even the early crossers might like the extra time to prepare.

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1 hour ago, pbenett said:

On Instagram Ambrogio Beccaria, Mini Transat winner and dominator of the class, has made a simulation, and projects a Maitre Coq win; 2 Sea Explorer 1.35 h; 3 Apivia 2.40h; 4 Bureau Valle 3.40 h. Very close between those four, the others further back.

Is that the same one as his FaceBook page? (I don't have FB or Instagram logins),

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Curious - Boris seems to have pulled his hydrogenerators and has been solar only for the last 24 hours.  Can anyone who knows more explain why he'd do that?  IT's unlikely that he damaged both of them, so maybe he doesn't want to deal with a tiny bit of drag?

 

https://exocet.cloud/grafana/d/bsbc_5MGz/malizia-public-dashboard?orgId=15&from=now-24h&to=now&theme=dark&kiosk&refresh=5m

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Clarisse update: ETA Feb 3

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"Clarice is looking forward to arriving soon, but she must not be too impatient"

"According to my routings, Clarisse could arrive in Les Sables-d'Olonne on February 3. It is a deadline that is both near and far. Clarisse is looking forward to finishing it soon, she touches her dream with her finger, but she must not be too impatient. She remains vigilant and focused. It is currently off Cape Verde, the road is still damn long. A lot can happen. At the end of the round the world trip, the machines are worn out, so are the sailors. We must ensure that the boat's bobos do not get worse. We have already seen dismasting or other serious damage in the last days of a Vendée Globe. This must be avoided at all costs. Within the team, we are both happy with the progress made and vigilant. "

more at https://www.voile.banquepopulaire.fr/news/vendee-globe-clarisse-pourrait-arriver-le-3-fevrier-aux-sables-dolonne

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41 minutes ago, stief said:
 

Only realised the other day (after killing time looking at Pip's pages on her sponsors website) that Clarisse is easily on track to set a new female monohull single-handed non-stop RTW record. AFAIK it's still held by Ellen Mcarthur: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendée_Globe#Les_meilleurs_temps_féminins

That's a pretty notable achievement. Also probably represents considerable ROI for her sponsor as there'll be more coverage of that achievement than other mid-fleet boats.

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31 minutes ago, b3nharris said:

Only realised the other day (after killing time looking at Pip's pages on her sponsors website) that Clarisse is easily on track to set a new female monohull single-handed non-stop RTW record. AFAIK it's still held by Ellen Mcarthur: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendée_Globe#Les_meilleurs_temps_féminins

That's a pretty notable achievement. Also probably represents considerable ROI for her sponsor as there'll be more coverage of that achievement than other mid-fleet boats.

Good points, but--dammit-- that led to another rabbit hole reading the rules for a WSSRC record. Apparently she may be eligible, assuming all the fees were paid, etc, etc. That would be well deserved. 

Back to the other vortex of the 2002-03 Around Alone records . . .  :P

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1 hour ago, stief said:

Reducing hydro generator drag would also make sense.

He damaged the hydro generators in the South when surfing over 20 kts. Perhaps he is concerned now that speeds are frequently over 20 kts. 

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29 minutes ago, stief said:

Good points, but--dammit-- that led to another rabbit hole reading the rules for a WSSRC record. Apparently she may be eligible, assuming all the fees were paid, etc, etc. That would be well deserved. 

Back to the other vortex of the 2002-03 Around Alone records . . .  :P

Should have added that by my reckoning Pip is in with a chance (touch and go) of breaking Ellen's time of 94 days too. Doubly impressive when you consider when Medallia's first VG was in the same race that time was set (2000-2001).

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15 minutes ago, festus said:

He damaged the hydro generators in the South when surfing over 20 kts. Perhaps he is concerned now that speeds are frequently over 20 kts. 

Makes some sense.  Dashboard says he limited the use of his starboard hydro to a couple of hours yesterday, and again a few minutes ago. Not confident I'm reading the dash properly.

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9 minutes ago, b3nharris said:

Should have added that by my reckoning Pip is in with a chance (touch and go) of breaking Ellen's time of 94 days too. Doubly impressive when you consider when Medallia's first VG was in the same race that time was set (2000-2001).

Yeah. Was a bit sorry she didn't make her aim of beating EM's Cape time (missed by a few hours, thanks to the ruddy mess, and EM's time is also uncertain. 64d 03h 34m 00s --see the comments)

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another picture of an IMOCA featuring the headsail luff 'dent'

I assume this happens during the surf when the app wind comes forward and the idea is to trim to the average speed not the top speed? Can't see what the red windward telltale is doing.

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2 minutes ago, Snowden said:

another picture of an IMOCA featuring the headsail luff 'dent'

I assume this happens during the surf when the app wind comes forward and the idea is to trim to the average speed not the top speed?

Probably. Skippers probably care more about setting up for those dramatic pre-race shots.

(should've added the courtesy of a link. Like this one too )

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On 1/24/2021 at 11:28 AM, Coconuts.is said:

She has been sailing with the keel swinging around free on the bearing.  It is pretty dangerous because the boat has little stability and if you heel to much the keel will make a hole in the boat.

Going back over Isabelle track, when Jeremie came up from the south and met her, wondering was this 360 intended, with the keel hanging off?

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^ that's known as a 'Spithill'. Charal to leeward was stand on vessel, you can see from his track he had to avoid Isabelle as she failed to yield. She did a penalty turn to avoid DSQ.

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Interesting note :

"To account for the complicated conditions for the close finishes into Les Sables in the days to come, the race director decided to lengthen the finish line, in accordance with article 9.1 of the sailing instructions. The line, which was supposed to be 0.3 miles (500 meters), will now be 1.9 miles (3.1 km) extended south. This will give the fleet enough runway to slow down after this remarkable sprint finish."

I wonder how unusual an accommodation that is, and that it speaks to how crazy tight this prospective finish is.

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Something wrong with Burton, low speed the last four hours, and Dalin will cross far ahead, absolutely hauling the mail now he is back on part tack. Closer cross for Boris.

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7 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

Does anyone know if there is going to be a televised finish to this race?

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An exceptional coverage of the finishes
The full scale and intensity of the emotion of the arrivals of the first competitors will be delivered by means of an exceptional broadcast system to cover the finishes on all media channels. 

More than thirty channels are taking direct TV  pictures - in France and internationally – channel details to be published soon

The direct live broadcast of the finishes can be followed on the Vendéeglobe.org website and on all digital platforms and social networks platforms of the race. 

These will also be fed with live text updates, photos and videos.

https://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/21937/a-degree-of-uncertainty

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I find that Amel is not that clever in his rooting he is only following Maxime and is staying in the low wind patch, If he gyps away he gets some more wind and he can then pass Maxime who is sailing with an older model and at most the same speed.

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19 minutes ago, TheDragon said:

Something wrong with Burton, low speed the last four hours, and Dalin will cross far ahead, absolutely hauling the mail now he is back on part tack. Closer cross for Boris.

Agree with the cross, especially if the models are  missing the soft spots. Don't know what's up with Burton. He mentioned on the Live the sea state and a couple of broaches, so backed off, but that was a a quite a few hours ago. (Did catch a mention of a furler problem for someone, but can't find it)

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Clarisse problems, but recovered now

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 had a new disappointment: my boat was filling with water! Following the rupture of a section of filling pipe ofballast I was simply filling... my boat! As I was filling in thegravity ballast (and not by means of a pump) I knew you had to be patient and so went for a nap. What a horror to wake up to the sound of waves that are not outside but indeed in my boat. Mybanner is right next to the battery park, what a vision of despair that these precious batteries soaked in water and splashed by the movements of this entire fleet!

more at https://www.voile.banquepopulaire.fr/news/journal-de-bord-du-vendee-globe

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1 hour ago, TheDragon said:

Something wrong with Burton, low speed the last four hours, and Dalin will cross far ahead, absolutely hauling the mail now he is back on part tack. Closer cross for Boris.

Burton has 14 knots of wind, Dalin and Hermann have 17 knots. Anybody knows how much is needed to foil? I think I read somewhere that it was around 15 knots of wind?

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Alex update. Developing the design simulator, and thumbs up for Herrmann, though Yannick most likely winner.

Bet he has the best polars for running his 100s of routings ;)

 

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In addition to Malizia (2.7 M€), Hugo Boss and Charal are up for sale at 4.7 M€ and 4.5 M€ respectively.

It was leaked in one of the Tip and Shaft podacasr that Beyou has a new boat on order, most likely with Charal.

 

https://www.letelegramme.fr/voile/a-vendre-imoca-entre-2-7-et-4-7-millions-d-euros-25-01-2021-12694184.php

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5 minutes ago, GER 100 said:

24h hours later,  same story ;-)

Hehe. Will made a good  point that a 5 or 10º shift in the last few hours could be key. I suspect that the speed of the incoming low will be the nail biter for the northern pack. 

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1 minute ago, Bebmoumoute said:

In addition to Malizia (2.7 M€), Hugo Boss and Charal are up for sale at 4.7 M€ and 4.5 M€ respectively.

It was leaked in one of the Tip and Shaft podacasr that Beyou has a new boat on order, most likely with Charal.

https://www.letelegramme.fr/voile/a-vendre-imoca-entre-2-7-et-4-7-millions-d-euros-25-01-2021-12694184.php

Good link--thanks. Pip would fit well in the cave.

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34 minutes ago, stief said:

Alex update. Developing the design simulator, and thumbs up for Herrmann, though Yannick most likely winner.

Bet he has the best polars for running his 100s of routings ;)

 

What I wouldn't give for those polars!

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So Bureau chipped back a little since the 1700 sked.  Kind of interesting to see how the boats went vs the routing.  Clearly none are going as fast as the polar would suggest.  The image below is current pos vs the routing from 1700 sked.

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Charlie Dalin the Figaro sailor managed to put himself in a situation where he can control Louis Burton (nearly between him and the finish). Unless something dramatic happens (breakage or very weird weather), IMO Dalin gets the line honours.

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7 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

He posted the highest VMC in the 2100 sked!

Yes, you're right. The 4 hour average is good. I was looking at the latest data, not sure if it's some 10 min average?

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So I guess the 7-hour blackout we're presently in will be the last, for the leaders...  Hopefully the leaders will hit the 200-nm DTF radius before the end of tomorrow's 7-hour blackout.

I understand the reasoning behind not wanting live or near-live position reports, but I hope they can do something about the 7-hour blackout for the next edition.  For anyone outside Europe's time zones, the blackout is during the daytime, which is a real bummer trying to follow the race.

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not sure if posted.  10-12 hours old....but as always fascinating stuff.....so much grist for the mill.   Romain with wind.    Ari the last word.....

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Sorry if already posted...

"To account for the complicated conditions for the close finishes into Les Sables in the days to come, the race director decided to lengthen the finish line, in accordance with article 9.1 of the sailing instructions. The line, which was supposed to be 0.3 miles (500 meters), will now be 1.9 miles (3.1 km) extended south. This will give the fleet enough runway to slow down after this remarkable sprint finish."

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I got side tracked by the sad new of Bob Fisher.  Here is my 0400 sked update. Apivia is in command and I have to think will be hard to pass right now.  But, what a finish it will be.  Someone knows what the closest finish is because you are all a bunch of Vendee vampires.  So cough it up!

Edit: Ok so I am really distracted by the Fisher news.  But, I wonder if there will be a flurry of gybes tonight.

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Thomas and Yannick are the fastest on the course at 18 knots  and coming up to the Gybe point, 46-47 degrees N....  do they have enough of a stormy runway...       

NB. It looks as though they have changed course as now bearing 34-36 degrees

Charlie  , Louis,  and Boris coming in from the south. with gybes to boot...

What music should be playing...and what would each skipper be playing....??

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8 minutes ago, huey 2 said:

Thomas and Yannick are the fastest on the course at 18 knots  and coming up to the Gybe point, 46-47 degrees N....  do they have enough of a stormy runway...       

NB. It looks as though they have changed course as now bearing 34-36 degrees

Charlie  , Louis,  and Boris coming in from the south. with gybes to boot...

What music should be playing...and what would each skipper be playing....??

 

Some might like Push It - Salt ’n’ Pepa

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1 hour ago, huey 2 said:

What music should be playing...and what would each skipper be playing....??

How about this one:

Sail

Maybe i should cry for help
maybe i should kill myself
blame it on my A.D.D. baby
maybe I'm a different breed
maybe I'm not listening
so blame it on my A.D.D. baby

Sail
 

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An article about Charlie's naval architecture training in Southampton : https://www.tipandshaft.com/contenus-sponsorises/southampton-ingenieurs-marins/

 

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For the last 50 years, Southampton, nestled deep in the Solent, has been a popular destination for students in naval architecture. With the Ship Science and Maritime Engineering Science course at the University of Southampton, otherwise pioneering, the well-known Southampton Institute - now renamed Solent University and City College, training boatbuilders.

Graduates engineers from the University of Southampton are currently at the heart of sailing news in both hemispheres: Nick Holroyd, chief designer of the Ineos Team UK challenge, and Dan Bernasconi, head of design of Emirates Team New Zealand, are both alumnis. This is also the case of Guillaume Verdier and Antoine Gautier - respectively architect of Apivia and director of studies of MerConcept, who closely followed the construction of the Imoca yacht currently racing for victory in the Vendée Globe.

As for the skipper, Charlie Dalin, he also graduated from the University of Southampton in 2006! "It was naval architect Marc Lombard who pointed me towards the Department of Ship Science, he took the time to tell us from the North Atlantic. He felt that this was the training to do for someone who, like me, wanted to be a naval architect."

The Le Havre born skipper joined the University of Southampton after graduating from the baccalaureate: admission is based on your scholar file, the final year and baccalaureate exam grades are taken into account, with a minimum score of 15/20 in maths and 14/20 in other scientific subjects. Charlie followed a four-year course which led him to a Master of Engineering, during which each student works in the third year on a personal research project - "the performance of high roach genoas on Class America yacht”, for the Apivia skipper! Each student also takes part, in the last year, in a collective design and construction project.

"We are really taught to reason, to know the strengths and weaknesses of the scientific tools we use; these are methods that I still apply on a daily basis when I receive, for example, weather models or VPP results , explains Charlie. I am comfortable with these technologies, I am also able to read a construction drawing, to speak the same language as a naval architect, it is clearly an asset to have taken this course."

The Ship Science academic staff the susses of Apivia’s skipper will attract more international students with a similar engineer/sailor profile. "We offer high quality engineering degrees specialising in Yacht and High performance Craft, says Joe Banks, in charge of admissions: post-baccalaureate Ship Science degrees in three or four years and a Masters of Maritime Engineering Science in one year, available to current engineering students that wish to specialise. We believe in practical learning through labs and project work supported by our world class facilities [wind tunnels, new towing tank, Editor's note] and commercial engineers from the Wolfson Unit for Marine Technology and Industrial Aerodynamics. "But also a campus "like in the American series", says Antoine Gautier, and, last but not least, the proximity of the Solent which allows you to sail competitively every weekend!

So many advantages which, despite the cost - 10,000 euros per year (not counting housing) before Brexit - seduced Laure Buffière. A second-year student, she chose the University of Southampton by consulting the CVs of the Vendée Globe participants, in particular that of Charlie Dalin! "In France, you often have to go through fairly generic classes preparatoires to attend naval architecture courses. Whereas here, from the first year, you get into the real thing. Another big plus is that there is has a lot of students of different nationalities, which allows to create an international network ", explains the one who is part of the J80 crew of Team Vendée Formation. And dreams of ocean racing…

 

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Amel is staying in the low wind zone wile Maxime is sailing away from him with a higher speed, he is not been able to close the cap between them for a couple of days now.

I should say gybe go were the wind is.

There is been mentioned what will is boat do if he was in the same wind zone, his boat is good but his strategie is bad I think till now he was lucky with the wind and could sail a strait line as he does now.

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I'm really surprised Dalin has been able to sail away from Boris, who even admits in that video he is not pushing hard. WTF?

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24 minutes ago, TheDragon said:

I'm really surprised Dalin has been able to sail away from Boris, who even admits in that video he is not pushing hard. WTF?

Boris may sound on the vids, ...relaxed...but I think he is balls out going for the finish.

All of the guys are crazy sleep-deprived I suspect. Any chance to catch a few winks?

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6 hours ago, Hitchhiker said:

I got side tracked by the sad new of Bob Fisher.  Here is my 0400 sked update. Apivia is in command and I have to think will be hard to pass right now.  But, what a finish it will be.  Someone knows what the closest finish is because you are all a bunch of Vendee vampires.  So cough it up!

Edit: Ok so I am really distracted by the Fisher news.  But, I wonder if there will be a flurry of gybes tonight.

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So what about the first Route de Rhum 1978 with 98 seconds "foiler against non-foiler" ;-) - I love it!     https://sailing-legends.com/route-du-rhum

 

 

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And Boris is using his hydrogenerators, losing just a little more speed. Can he be out of diesel?

 

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Mic Birch. still incredible to see that finish again...... he is in retirement but has an around  40ft una rig boat called Dolly set up for shorthanded sailing designed by his ferry captain mate. [ something like Designes...??]    https://www.boatsnews.com/story/18445/navigator-profile-mike-birch-winner-of-the-1st-edition-of-the-route-du-rhum

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31 minutes ago, PHIRKIN said:

Boris may sound on the vids, ...relaxed...but I think he is balls out going for the finish.

All of the guys are crazy sleep-deprived I suspect. Any chance to catch a few winks?

I'm guessing the N boats may benefit from those long tracks with no gybing for rest and optimization, maybe more so at the end here than earlier due to the aforementioned sleep deprivation.  The adrenals only have so much juice to throw out.

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