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13 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

No, I was just disproving this:

  


No one has to take my word. I did that thing where I dig out the proof of what I said.

And doing so was indulging Olsonist's deflection of the question I asked about what point he was trying to make. Don't worry, I'll keep trying to find out what his point might have been, since you can't figure it out for yourself.

I think you're awesome.

 

 

I look forward to you posting that here 15 years from now.

 

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Easy peasy Wikipedia picks it up in the 1920s and includes things like the Tulsa race "riot" (ie mass murder and arson against black people by numerous white people) but it also will send you to

Think through that statement?   Okay... I'll think it through... You think a bicycle makes for a good mass replacement for the automobile. Giving this some thought.....  Okay... I've go

I can sorta tell you have never been to a USAean shopping mall . . 

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On 5/26/2021 at 10:18 PM, jocal505 said:

The outdoor self-defense concept is a uniquely American failure, and this becomes more and more apparent.

You keep claiming that, yet the UK Gun License Act of 1870 seems to show otherwise. You have been told this before, why do you act as if it has never been mentioned?

On 5/26/2021 at 10:18 PM, jocal505 said:

yes, my son, if the target distances are 5/8 mile in that competition

I'm sure that all the people around the world participating in 1000 yard matches will be interested to know that they are just doing sniper training. Almost like there are no other skills a sniper has to have.

On 5/27/2021 at 1:06 AM, benwynn said:

You think a bicycle makes for a good mass replacement for the automobile.

Giving this some thought..... 

Okay... I've got it:  You're a fucking moron.

Oh, what a clever comeback. Well, I guess you and the the rest of the window licking crowd that upped your post really don't give a damn about 36k deaths and 4.5M injuries. Not really a surprise, since the only deaths you seem to care about are firearms - or any that you can attempt to blame on an (R).

 

On 5/27/2021 at 10:07 AM, jocal505 said:

Weigh in, for our amusement.

Yes Joe, why don't you weigh in?

You are still the only person in here who used a firearm when confronted with a criminal in your home. Yet you have also declared that nobody else in the US should be allowed to make that choice.

How do you reconcile those 2 things in your head?

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1 hour ago, bpm57 said:

Oh, what a clever comeback. Well, I guess you and the the rest of the window licking crowd that upped your post really don't give a damn about 36k deaths and 4.5M injuries. Not really a surprise, since the only deaths you seem to care about are firearms - or any that you can attempt to blame on an (R).

In what way do I not give a damn about deaths from motor vehicles?   I assume you drive one, as do members of your family.  In what way do you give more of a damn about deaths from motor vehicles than I do?

Hint: The answer has jack shit do to with guns.  

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so, today is day number 148. there have been 225 (or so) mass shootings in America. For me, back home in Canada last week, our national band, The Tragically Hip, released an 'album' of thought to be lost recordings from an album they made 30 years ago. On that album was a song called 'Montreal'. it is about the mass shooting we had at the ecole Polytechnic in Montreal. It was recorded on the day after 11th anniversary of the shooting in 2000. If you go to Wikipedia and look up the list of massacres in Canada (it covers more than just gun violence) this atrocity occurred 32 years ago. It is the eighth most recent mass murder we have had.

 you guys south of the border need to sort out what is more important.... your bullshit second amendment rights, or the life of an innocent.

get your heads out of your asses.

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54 minutes ago, basketcase said:

so, today is day number 148. there have been 225 (or so) mass shootings in America. For me, back home in Canada last week, our national band, The Tragically Hip, released an 'album' of thought to be lost recordings from an album they made 30 years ago. On that album was a song called 'Montreal'. it is about the mass shooting we had at the ecole Polytechnic in Montreal. It was recorded on the day after 11th anniversary of the shooting in 2000. If you go to Wikipedia and look up the list of massacres in Canada (it covers more than just gun violence) this atrocity occurred 32 years ago. It is the eighth most recent mass murder we have had.

 you guys south of the border need to sort out what is more important.... your bullshit second amendment rights, or the life of an innocent.

get your heads out of your asses.

indeed

The problem isn't guns, the problem is stupid careless and immature people with guns.

I saw a local newspaper article today which said that the beach house rental business is ramping back up, which is very good for the local economy. Problem: people are leaving guns laying around the rental houses. Seriously. Cleaning staff found and turned in 3 just this week, in just this local beach town.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to -forget- your gun?

- DSK

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12 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

indeed

The problem isn't guns, the problem is stupid careless and immature people with guns.

I saw a local newspaper article today which said that the beach house rental business is ramping back up, which is very good for the local economy. Problem: people are leaving guns laying around the rental houses. Seriously. Cleaning staff found and turned in 3 just this week, in just this local beach town.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to -forget- your gun?

- DSK

American gun nut stoopid.

 

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14 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

indeed

The problem isn't guns, the problem is stupid careless and immature people with guns.

I saw a local newspaper article today which said that the beach house rental business is ramping back up, which is very good for the local economy. Problem: people are leaving guns laying around the rental houses. Seriously. Cleaning staff found and turned in 3 just this week, in just this local beach town.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to -forget- your gun?

- DSK

Cancer kills more people.

@bpm57 conclusion:  You don't care about cancer.

If that doesn't make sense to you, re-read it after downing about 4 bottles of Robitussin. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

indeed

The problem isn't guns, the problem is stupid careless and immature people with guns.

I saw a local newspaper article today which said that the beach house rental business is ramping back up, which is very good for the local economy. Problem: people are leaving guns laying around the rental houses. Seriously. Cleaning staff found and turned in 3 just this week, in just this local beach town.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to -forget- your gun?

- DSK

No. Guns are not the problem. A line on the fucking map is the problem. We Can get mostly the same guns in Canada.

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34 minutes ago, basketcase said:

No. Guns are not the problem. A line on the fucking map is the problem. We Can get mostly the same guns in Canada.

Owner and gun registration is a lot more civilized in Canada. The kablamists on this side of that line see guns as a constitutional veto power. It's dumb but in their defense, they're dumb as well.

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And after 30 years of an assault rifle and high capacity magazine ban in California, a republican appointed judge decides the bans are unconstitutional..... The best part of his decision is where he calls the AR15 the Swiss Army Knife of home protection.

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4 hours ago, A3A said:

And after 30 years of an assault rifle and high capacity magazine ban in California, a republican appointed judge decides the bans are unconstitutional..... The best part of his decision is where he calls the AR15 the Swiss Army Knife of home protection.

Well.... he's actually correct.  

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1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

Well.... he's actually correct.  

It has neither a knife or a can opener, unless you consider exploding a can of beans from 40 feet away "opening". It won't fit in your pocket, won't open a bottle of wine (see above), and is not marked either Victorinox or Wenger.

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7 hours ago, Ishmael said:
9 hours ago, Burning Man said:
13 hours ago, A3A said:

The best part of his decision is where he calls the AR15 the Swiss Army Knife of home protection.

Well.... he's actually correct.

It has neither a knife or a can opener, unless you consider exploding a can of beans from 40 feet away "opening". It won't fit in your pocket, won't open a bottle of wine (see above), and is not marked either Victorinox or Wenger.

 

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Gun nutz. Kablamists.

They're like dancing bears... they don't dance worth a shit but it's amazing that they keep trying

- DSK

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11 hours ago, Burning Man said:
15 hours ago, A3A said:

And after 30 years of an assault rifle and high capacity magazine ban in California, a republican appointed judge decides the bans are unconstitutional..... The best part of his decision is where he calls the AR15 the Swiss Army Knife of home protection.

Well.... he's actually correct. 

You can tell the Swiss haven't fought any wars by looking at their army knife. Are you going to stab someone with the nail file scissors or bottle opener ? it's not a knife you would use for home protection.

The Swiss are allowed to have guns this rifle range shoots across a busy highway the only apparent danger looks like avoiding cars as you retrieve your targets.

I wonder what the Hoplophobes will say about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5capbhKlVA

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On 5/26/2021 at 2:43 PM, bpm57 said:

A bicycle will get you to work as well, and they don't cause 36K totally acceptable deaths a year.

Think it through.

On 5/26/2021 at 10:06 PM, benwynn said:

You think a bicycle makes for a good mass replacement for the automobile.

Yes it is a great replacement just look at lots of 3rd world countries. It works and does  not pollute carbon.

 

Is using a rifle in competition now "foster(ing) sniper skilz"? 

On 5/26/2021 at 7:18 PM, jocal505 said:

yes, my son, if the target distances are 5/8 mile in that competition

 

I'd love to try shooting at a distance. When I see sniper stuff in the movies, I wonder what it is like to shoot a target you cannot see without a scope.

I was looking for a video and somehow this interview with Kurt Russel came up. There are 2 different discussions on gun control that seem pretty sane. It is interesting how the second interview the host seems to be baiting Kurt.

 

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Biden's Nominee to Head the ATF, Who Wants Congress to Ban 'Assault Weapons,' Says He Can't Define Them
 

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Later in the hearing, Sen. John Kennedy (R–La.) also asked Chipman to "define assault weapons." Chipman responded in the same maddening way he had to Cotton's question, saying "assault weapons would be something that members of Congress would define." When Kennedy pressed Chipman to say how Congress should do that and noted that he had "35 seconds left" in that round of questioning, the nominee claimed it was impossible to give a brief answer. "The bill to ban assault weapons is thousands of pages," he said. "There's no way I could define an assault weapon in 35 seconds." Presumably Chipman knows "assault weapons" when he sees them, but that subjective approach is inconsistent with the rule of law.

Contrary to Chipman's claim, Feinstein's bill is not "thousands of pages." It is 125 pages long, and most of that space is devoted to a redundant list of specifically permitted models. The general definition of rifles that qualify as "assault weapons" is just a few paragraphs. It includes any semi-automatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has "a pistol grip," "a forward grip," a folding or telescoping stock, "a grenade launcher," "a barrel shroud," or "a threaded barrel." Assuming that Chipman's definition is similar, he easily could have said so, even in 35 seconds. But then he might have been asked how these features—which have nothing to do with caliber, rate of fire, or muzzle velocity—make "assault weapons" an intolerable threat to public safety.

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He probably should have just said, "Senator, assault weapons are any guns that are part of the ordinary military equipment. You know, battlefield .22's and such."

Well, maybe leave off that last bit, because talking about guns that are actually covered in Feinstein's thousands of 125 pages is a distraction. More relevant would have been some fantasy definition that has zero chance of becoming law. Or so I'm told.

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On 4/29/2021 at 4:43 PM, slatfatf said:

As I recall, the ATF changed their guidance on the shouldering of pistol braces. The guidance itself has been all over the place, and the idea that the act of appearing to shoulder something going from perfectly legal to a 5 year sentence always seemed like it would not survive legal scrutiny. It does make a bit of a mockery of the SBR rule though, since a pistol with a brace is very nearly the functional equivalent of an SBR. 

Frankly, I think they run into an ADA violation if they ban them. Their "intended use" after all is allowing someone with a disability to fire something like an AR15 pistol. Maybe they get around it by limiting their use to those with an actual disability which prevents traditional use of a pistol? Unless there is some other obscure rule which would disallow that. HIPAA maybe? Dunno, one for the lawyers to sort out. 

48 Senators wrote to the ATF about the new Scary Black Rifle classifications.

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I actually like some of what Biden is proposing wrt to new gun law proposals.  He wants to strengthen enforcement, especially on dealers who are knowingly selling to unqualified people or to straw purchasers.  Although, I think his language is not tough enough.  In an recent NPR story on it, a sound bite had him saying something to the effect of "we are going to take the licenses of dealers who break the law".  Fuck the license, I would prosecute them and put them in jail for a long time to set an example.  He also wants to address the root causes of violence and specifically gun violence. 

Where have we heard those ideas before?  I think he should pay me a small fee for using my ideas.  Or at least give me some credit for coming up with the idea here on PA since I've been saying both of these very things ^^ for years now.  I'd be more than willing to come on board the Biden Team to help craft common sense gun policy.  I figure my decades of scuffling here in PA has toughen me up.  :lol: 

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From the Horse's mouth.  https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/06/23/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-comprehensive-strategy-to-prevent-and-respond-to-gun-crime-and-ensure-public-safety/

Fact Sheet: Biden-Harris Administration Announces Comprehensive Strategy to Prevent and Respond to Gun Crime and Ensure Public Safety

Combined, the Administration’s comprehensive strategy will:

  • Stem the flow of firearms used to commit violence, including by holding rogue firearms dealers accountable for violating federal laws;
  • Support local law enforcement with federal tools and resources to help address summer violent crime;
  • Invest in evidence-based community violence interventions;
  • Expanding summer programming, employment opportunities, and other services and supports for teenagers and young adults; and
  • Help formerly incarcerated individuals successfully reenter their communities.

I have no issues with any of these proposals and fully support them.  Finally someone is using some common sense for a change and addressing behaviors and root causes rather than tools.  

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8 hours ago, Burning Man said:

 He also wants to address the root causes of violence and specifically gun violence. 

Ah, you are on board, you say. Violent belief systems are at the root of the gun violence problem.

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6 hours ago, spankoka said:

Are not .22 LR and .223 very different things? 

Not to people who write laws in Australia, Canada, or the US Congress.

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3 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

Not to people who write laws in Australia, Canada, or the US Congress.

Like he said. Dogballs. Then, more Dogballs. Which is good enough for Tom Ray. ;)

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4 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

Not to people who write laws in Australia, Canada, or the US Congress.

Not true of Canadian firearms law, there's nothing there specific about rifle cartridges. It's just that only .22 can have a high capacity magazine, and that predates the "assault rifle" controversy. The same thing would apply to a battle rifle. 

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Biden again calls for banning battlefield .22's
 

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“I’m the only guy that ever got — passed legislation when I was a senator to make sure we eliminated assault weapons,” the president said. “The idea you need a weapon that can have the ability to fire 20, 30, 40, 50, 120 shots from that weapon, whether it’s a, whether it’s a 9mm pistol or whether it’s a rifle, is ridiculous.”

“I’m continuing to push to eliminate the sale of those things, but I’m not likely to get that done in the near term,” Biden continued.

 

Heh. I own a 30 round magazine, which I bought legally during Biden's ban and because of Biden's ban.

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26 minutes ago, Excoded Tom said:

Heh. I own a 30 round magazine, which I bought legally during Biden's ban and because of Biden's ban.

Why?

They don't kill anything, apparently.

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1 minute ago, Excoded Tom said:

Just checking to see whether it would turn me into a mass murderer. It hasn't yet.

 

 

So you say.

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