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This is a lesson to any Government about  selling any direct/indirect retail taxing changes or value added tax (VAT) changes or in Australia called Goods and Services Tax (GST).

This was lead up to 1993 election this guy conservative opposition leader talking introduction of GST and where Govt while supportive of a GST policy, put it on the backburner for the election.

This guy walked out of the studio dead in the water and lost a unlosable election (in middle of a recession). 

They should put BumFace up on the BBC to talk about tarrifs and VAT changes after 1 January. :lol:

 

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No way I'm going to PA. This was a top thread, now it's fucked. Thank you fucking idiots.

I was thinking for the last few days that  as a pro union lifelong Alliance voter I should respond to this post but turning on the radio this morning and hearing Mike Nesbitt made me decide to act.

Umm, that would be you.  1) You are fool (as is both evident and self-confessed) who thinks that brexit is a good idea.  2) You post nonsense that only reinforces this and believe that you a

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1 hour ago, alphafb552 said:

This feature is one of those benefits of Brexit on Wayne’s list. The list he has yet to produce.

I am old enough to recall being delayed by Special Branch at Heathrow just because of my passport. I am content.

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The passports are just a function of data sharing agreements. The UK refuses to abide by the rules that would permit them to remain in these data sharing agreements, so all features that use these agreements are also forfeit.

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31 minutes ago, cms said:

Historically we tended to rely on local dealers / importers to handle formalities in their country. With the much wider harmonisations across the EU it will be bloody hard to find dealers in each EU country either willing or capable of handling all that shit. Door slams shut.

No margins for dealers in the new internet market place!!

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1 hour ago, alphafb552 said:

I believe each of the EU27 should do the right thing in the spirit of friendly neighbours and make a special UK citizens only express gate.......outside in the rain and in the air-conditioned/heated booth, customs officers who can't speak English. :lol:

The could also hang up a dart board with BumFaces picture on it and stamp UK passports, 'Remember the IMB'.

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4 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

I believe each of the EU27 should do the right thing in the spirit of friendly neighbours and make a special UK citizens only express gate.......outside in the rain and in the air-conditioned/heated booth, customs officers who can't speak English. :lol:

The could also hang up a dart board with BumFaces picture on it and stamp UK passports, 'Remember the IMB'.

having first dug a wide trench, filled with water, and across which you have to paddle in a rubber dinghy.

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And the hits keep coming.

Untrained staff take on jobs previously reserved for clinically-qualified contact tracers as system struggles

But it gets even better. 

UK government seeks test and trace executive for up to £2,000 a day

The job post added that the DHSC was looking for a candidate who “can implement improvements straight away”, had “experience (and evidence) of turning around failing call centres” and had “examples of quick wins”.

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31 minutes ago, spennig said:

having first dug a wide trench, filled with water, and across which you have to paddle in a rubber dinghy.

And making sure flights from Bangladesh land five minutes before

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12 hours ago, KC375 said:

If the UK applied to rejoin the EU do you think the UK would manage to get through the assecion process?

Was more thinking of becoming like an EFTA but with more restrictions.
Rejoin is out for decades.

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

Rejoin is out for decades.

Yep it will take that long for 'less than now' to be seen as 'normal' by new generations, they then start looking around and current promoters dead ....and maybe those in Europe to forget this clusterfuck. .....maybe.

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Leaked by Daily Mail writer whose paper last year printed photos of judges over a huge headline calling them 'Enemies of the People.'

Tory co-chairman Amanda Milling & more than 100 backbenchers have written to Keir Starmer last night to warn that  Angela Rayner’s “scum” jibe (she apologised to the house) during kids lunch motion debate, has led to widespread abuse of Conservative MPs.

Hasn't dawned on these dead-cunts that it's their own behaviour that's led to this?

Same cunts that haven't said boo about Tory MP Ben Bradley and a signatory (who claimed £204k in expenses last year) saying yesterday free school meal vouchers were spent in crack dens and brothels and who wants to sterilise unemployed people. Same cunts that claimed around £70K each in expenses on top of their £80K plus salaries last year.

Same cunts that have ignored Priti Patel's remarks about "activist lawyers" having led to death threats, including one attempt.

Then there is this cunt last year. Boris Johnson Refuses To Apologise For 'Fuelling Abuse Of MPs' With 'Humbug' Comments

Act like scum get treated like scum. So too fucking bad yah whinging cunts..suck it up.

Call it training for Brexit next year yah toxic lying cunts.

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8 hours ago, cms said:

rely on local dealers / importers to handle formalities in their country

Not only formalities. Today it's about responsibility, importer into EU has to bear full manufactures responsibilities regarding product security and CE compliency. 

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Something isn't adding up. The above letter to Starmer low profile Tory MP's no seniors and certainly no Ministers...so understandable. 

However then this Tweet from a senior and regular Govt spokesperson James Cleverdickless.

 Local Authorities £63m welfare assistance from Government = £4 lump sum per person for the entire period of Covid 2020/21.

No senior would dream of tweeting something that shines a spotlight on this disgracefull amount. 

Then Downing Street have declined to praise businesses and local authorities offering to provide free meals for vulnerable children over half-term.

A Number 10 spokesman, asked repeatedly if the Prime Minister welcomed the offer from businesses and some councils, came up with this nothing response:

“As we have set out before, we are in a different position now with schools back open to all and the vast majority of pupils back to school. I believe the PM said during PMQs that free school meals will continue during term time and that he wants to continue to support families throughout the crisis so they have cash available to feed kids if they need to.”

Therefore with all this being so avoidable, no upside and Johnson having to do an inevitable second UTurn on lunches ..... I'm thinking it all a Brexit diversion. 

I'm now going the Brexit Dead Cat has been let off the chain....the inevitable UTurn the same dead cat recycled... very very effective. The half term comences on 1 November so it won't be a long wait. 

Or are they just incredibly heartless and unbelievabley stupid?? This is a tough call.

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10 hours ago, hump101 said:

The passports are just a function of data sharing agreements. The UK refuses to abide by the rules that would permit them to remain in these data sharing agreements, so all features that use these agreements are also forfeit.

so Interpol no longer exists as those EU clowns invented their own system and refuse to share with Interpol?

Not hard to work out where the problem is...

The UK has always been one of the top suppliers of info to INTERPOL

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2 hours ago, Sailabout said:

so Interpol no longer exists as those EU clowns invented their own system and refuse to share with Interpol?

Not hard to work out where the problem is...

The UK has always been one of the top suppliers of info to INTERPOL

You need to catch up.:D

INTERPOL acesss realtime around 18 security databases in the world. The EU's is one. For instance the EU member states stolen vessels database serves as a centralised tool for tracing and tracking stolen vessels and engines worldwide.

Countries access INTERPOL's Criminal Information System which comprises colour coded notices updated all the time BUT this is not.real time access for day to day border control. 

Not all all criminals or crimes are monitored by INTERPOL.

INTERPOLS database comprising these 18 security data bases is accessed 20 million times per day by all the world's countries or around 100K average each per country.

- Take a guess which ONE of these 18 world security databases was accessed direct 1.7 MILLION times PER DAY BY JUST ONE COUNTRY?

- Take a guess which country that was?

Any member country can access this security data base live for border control and request a criminal record check and screen prospective employees, vendors, tenants and more.

- Take a guess which country will NO LONGER have real time access to this security database? 

- Which countries before 1 January 2021 could not prevent entry to offenders who have not served a prison sentence or lesser offences. After 1 January they could hypothetically bar entry if there is evidence their presence is say not "conducive to the public good" such as begging or busking.

- Guess which country WILL enact such a law to come into force on 1 January and can bar a busker entering that country? Laws riding over human rights similiar to this were enacted in a country around 87 years ago.

BTW busking is not on the INTERPOL data base unless busker is a recognised criminal of merit. However employment is recorded on the security data base that country NO LONGER has real time access to after 1 January.

Hint the Minister of the country promoting this new law smirks, doesn't smile and comes from a refugee family herself. 

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16 hours ago, hump101 said:

No margins for dealers in the new internet market place!!

No margins for small vendors either. 

Remember Captain Kirk, seems Lizzy loves him but BumFace has taken away the welcome mat.

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He has a small online platform called the  William Shatner Store selling merchandise from his gigs Star Trek, TJ Hooker, Boston Legal etc. 

A week ago he announced what everyone knows except Wayne that BumFace wants him to collect VAT on orders being shipped to the UK starting 1 January. After investigation his staff found out it would cost over £1,000, just to file HMRC forms just via a service,. So; 

Captain Kirk will no longer be shipping to the UK. 

Little England wants to go global but doesn't want to follow global accepted mechanisms for collecting value added taxes from online transactions. They really must be chasing every last fucking penny. 

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UK; take back control over our borders... Brexit you know.
EU; OK, we do the same, no e-gates for you.
UK; but that is not what we wanted...

Brexit means Brexit.

Interesting Frost asked for it last week, when talks went bad. What a timing. Do they like flagellation ? And did they not say the put all on the table months ago and the EU refuses to engage ?

Going for a nice trip to the UK, do not bring back cheese, or a couple of bottles of Scotch...
Dutch Customs already warned for that, they will check, not all, but spot checks.

Friend works for Rotterdam university, her part time job is to organize student trips.
Frequently went to the UK, by the thousands. Now with UK demanding EU identity card is not valid, they can not ask all their students to have a passport.
So no more trips to the UK.

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I have found Waynes local Tory MP....he promotes himself as a trade expert.

What a fucking dolt. He hasn't even worked out tarrifs are a tax barrier paid by the consumer designed as a deterent to buying the goods... and just as a non-tarriff barrier has exactly the same effect. 

No wonder the UK is in the state it is.

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I normally buy some small cheap stuff from eBay UK for a good price as I don't want to wait from China. It will be interesting to see what happens after 1st January. 

Will it be a large stock in Spain instead like Alibaba Spain? I'm afraid small UK vendors will be killed. 

Maybe they will try to survive through trading imported US stuff to EU?

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The weasel words are now coming thick and fast.

This Tory Selaine Saxby MP North Devon one of those signatures on the letter to Starmer whinging about being called "scum".

Also threatened local businesses who are performing a decent service doing what the Govt should be doing and in essence weren't falling in behind her and her Brexit loon party.

Her words 1st para in follow up "...which may have been caused" is a non-apology.

Either part of a contrived giant Brexit Dead Cat diversion on a grand scale OR the whole thing is appallingly real. Either way still scum and can fuck off. 

 

 

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More fucking VAT madness this time as icing over the Convid clusterfuck cake.

Original Government anouncement.

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Now this masks costs jump 20% NEXT WEEK incl to care homes who in most cases CAN'T claim it back (cannot charge VAT on their income from the provision of care, and they can't claim VAT back on the costs of that provision.)

Fucking insane.

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2 hours ago, LeoV said:

Brexit means Brexit.

"Brexit means Brexit"

...and it would have been a success, were it NOT for the pandemic.

The new narrative now starting to build.

Note contains rare video interview with David Dickens, chief executive of The Fishermen’s Mission.

Express - UK fishermen face 'shed loads of chaos' on Brexit Day with 'quadruple whammy' of problems

"THE perfect storm of chaos is approaching for UK fishermen after a coronavirus price crash and lack of tourism on the European mainland meaning demand for certain species has plummeted."

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The Tory MP from free school meals (FSM) exchanged for crack, brothel visits and the unemployed should be sterilised fame can't shut the fuck up.

Now having the gall to reply to Rashford directly with this horseshit. 

His Govt billions Councils are using (directly/indirectly) were at the time the vote was cast and lead up;

Universal Credit bumped up £1,000 plus this.

19 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

-  £180m housing allowance = £67 lump sum per family for the entire period of Covid 2020/21.

- £63m welfare assistance = £4 lump sum per person for the entire period of Covid 2020/21.

 

Why hasn't he been gagged???????

This cunt has form coming out his ears. Maybe why he hasn't been gagged, he is being wound UP by Downing St??

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1 hour ago, mad said:

Why so, controlled immigration was never an issue for me, after all I was an immigrant.
 

£ 26k with applicants from anywhere in the world treated equally, has got to make all those Remainers who can no longer get hold of cheap labour to look after their kids and serve £4.50 cappuccino’s, that were kicking up the stink about the loss of FOM, even angrier that now they are going to have to pay £12.50 an hour + NI + holiday pay.

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6 hours ago, LeoV said:

Friend works for Rotterdam university, her part time job is to organize student trips.
Frequently went to the UK, by the thousands. Now with UK demanding EU identity card is not valid, they can not ask all their students to have a passport.
So no more trips to the UK.

Boom time for Ireland. Lots of school trips from France already go there. No currency to worry about, speak English, nice people. Ferry services are expanding, already Cherbourg to Dublin and Rosslare, Roscoff to Cork, and Santander or Bilbao to Rosslare. Probably more coming. And I am only talking about passenger services, freight is growing too.

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I went to school in the UK at 10 years old in 1967.  There was a milk delivery in the morning, and free lunch at Dulwich Middle School.  I remember a kid in my class, Peter, pretty sure that milk and free lunch was all he was getting that day.  He wore the same clothes every day, and I don't recall him smiling much. 

Hard to believe the free school lunch has lasted this long.  It would be sad to see it go.  We all looked forward to the chocolate custard days.

 

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5 hours ago, Rain Man said:

I went to school in the UK at 10 years old in 1967.  There was a milk delivery in the morning, and free lunch at Dulwich Middle School. 

The free milk bit was very English and common in post war Commonwealth countries. Australian federal government subsidised states calling theirs the 'Commonwealth Schools’ Free Milk Scheme.'  A combination of questionable nutritional value, cost and the fact warm sun cooked fucking milk wasn't that appealing saw it abandoned. Interestingly recently some calls for  reintroduction. 

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17 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

You need to catch up.:D

INTERPOL acesss realtime around 18 security databases in the world. The EU's is one. For instance the EU member states stolen vessels database serves as a centralised tool for tracing and tracking stolen vessels and engines worldwide.

Countries access INTERPOL's Criminal Information System which comprises colour coded notices updated all the time BUT this is not.real time access for day to day border control. 

Not all all criminals or crimes are monitored by INTERPOL.

INTERPOLS database comprising these 18 security data bases is accessed 20 million times per day by all the world's countries or around 100K average each per country.

- Take a guess which ONE of these 18 world security databases was accessed direct 1.7 MILLION times PER DAY BY JUST ONE COUNTRY?

- Take a guess which country that was?

Any member country can access this security data base live for border control and request a criminal record check and screen prospective employees, vendors, tenants and more.

- Take a guess which country will NO LONGER have real time access to this security database? 

- Which countries before 1 January 2021 could not prevent entry to offenders who have not served a prison sentence or lesser offences. After 1 January they could hypothetically bar entry if there is evidence their presence is say not "conducive to the public good" such as begging or busking.

- Guess which country WILL enact such a law to come into force on 1 January and can bar a busker entering that country? Laws riding over human rights similiar to this were enacted in a country around 87 years ago.

BTW busking is not on the INTERPOL data base unless busker is a recognised criminal of merit. However employment is recorded on the security data base that country NO LONGER has real time access to after 1 January.

Hint the Minister of the country promoting this new law smirks, doesn't smile and comes from a refugee family herself. 

A couple of years back UK parliament asked the Interpol boss to come in for a chat to ask how it works, ( must be on youtube somewhere) he said biggest problem that silly europol is collecting data and hence the countries are not forwarding it to interpol, simple stuff like stolen passports

Why does europol need to exist?

PS interpol is a information collecting and disseminating body not a police force to monitor criminals

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7 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Why so, controlled immigration was never an issue for me, after all I was an immigrant.

Nonsense.

Immigration cited as biggest reason for voting leave, even in electrorates with lowest immigration and immigrants were and are more likely to support curtailing immigration. Home Secretary Patel the Ugandan refugee the ultimate example.

Studies clearly show it was an immigrant employment fear and so vote for higher wages.

You fit the bill to a tee and still desperately trying to hide your Xenophobia by pulling the last straw out of the hat..... saying those who voted for the immigration status quo remaining in 2016 must support this Government initiative. You do not support the UTurn otherwise you would have said that.

The government have now realised the labour problem in a country with shit productivity is NO labour and have now done a UTurn on immigration. 

So you don't support that UTurn, but worse you are in denial and think the UTurn won't make any difference and the prices of cappuccinos will rise.

The price of cappuccinos will rise probably because there will be no EU students at university working part time after Jan, many in health care and students the UK will never see graduate and work in the NHS.

Maybe to keep the price down start growing coffee beans beside the sqillions of sq miles bitumen in Kent truck parks where the temperature is 10 degrees hotter than anywhere else in the UK.

Own what you voted for. 

7 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Remainers who can no longer get hold of cheap labour to look after their kids and serve £4.50 cappuccino’s,.....even angrier that now they are going to have to pay £12.50 an hour + NI + holiday pay.

 

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2 hours ago, Sailabout said:

Interpol boss ... said biggest problem that silly europol is collecting data and hence the countries are not forwarding it to interpol, simple stuff like stolen passports

I did forwarn you with this. 

20 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

You need to catch up.:D

You are 15 years out of date

His name Ron Nobel Interpol Sec General and gave evidence to Lord's Select Committee on European Union Fifth Report generally as follows in 2005. This was when Schengen Information System (SIS) Mk1 in use not MK2.

He said 15 years ago in the Interpol database 5.6 million stolen passport items and that the SIS Mk1 contains over ten million. He said that indicates member states INCL UK are not notifying Interpol database. That was a world wide issue NOT an EU issue as to data sharing personel details of citizens with 3rd countries. The EU had their own WORKAROUND.

As a side issue he also said in the UK landing cards completed by foreign nationals unlike those in most other countries, do not require the passport number to be entered. He gave the UK a spanking. This issue was solved in conjunction with UK subsequently being automatically part of EU's 'E-Borders' program. 

Then.

2 hours ago, Sailabout said:

PS interpol is a information collecting and disseminating body not a police force to monitor criminals

Wrong again.

Europol is the European Union's law enforcement agency yes. However it is not 'the EU's security data base' such as SIS and others and a security data base which the global equivalent is Interpol and which Interpol rely upon. 

20 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

INTERPOL acesss realtime around 18 security databases in the world. The EU's is one...

The issue is not Interpol.....that is your eurosceptic diversion. The issue is this and contained in these 3 questions which you have IGNORED. 

20 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Not all all criminals or crimes are monitored by INTERPOL.

INTERPOLS database comprising these 18 security data bases is accessed 20 million times per day by all the world's countries or around 100K average each per country.

- Take a guess which ONE of these 18 world security databases was accessed direct 1.7 MILLION times PER DAY BY JUST ONE COUNTRY?

- Take a guess which country that was?

Any member country can access this security data base live for border control and request a criminal record check and screen prospective employees, vendors, tenants and more.

- Take a guess which country will NO LONGER have real time access to this security database? 

This may come as a shock but Interpol even acknowledge they are a poor cousin to the EU's security system in Europe.

So speaking Interpol the only international agency after 1 January the UK can rely upon. Seems they are now shitting themselves over Interpol. :lol:

UK parliament to probe reports UAE 'torture' chief could become head of Interpol

Would love to know how much it would cost for UK to replicate what it enjoys now. Eye watering yet a bees dick of the £350m/week (which is double actual) on side of a NHS red bus and that equivalent will never happen. 

The public were lied to ....now the consequences are landing.

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8 hours ago, jgh66 said:

Now they are leaving.... 

British car parts maker prepares to move to Europe

https://m.dw.com/en/british-car-parts-maker-prepares-to-move-to-europe/av-55283353

The company name 'Goodfish' of that UK car-parts supplier moving to Slovakia a cryptic Brexit signal? :lol:

I remember someone saying, I think it was referencing BMW/UK Mini factory, that Brexit planning started years ago when factory upgrades were executed by many. All new robotic equipment and supporting assembly line gear had to be capable of being thrown in containers and moved to Europe quicksmart without undue disruption. 

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8 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Nonsense.

Immigration cited as biggest reason for voting leave, even in electrorates with lowest immigration and immigrants were and are more likely to support curtailing immigration. Home Secretary Patel the Ugandan refugee the ultimate example.

Studies clearly show it was an immigrant employment fear and so vote for higher wages.

You fit the bill to a tee and still desperately trying to hide your Xenophobia by pulling the last straw out of the hat..... saying those who voted for the immigration status quo remaining in 2016 must support this Government initiative. You do not support the UTurn otherwise you would have said that.

The government have now realised the labour problem in a country with shit productivity is NO labour and have now done a UTurn on immigration. 

So you don't support that UTurn, but worse you are in denial and think the UTurn won't make any difference and the prices of cappuccinos will rise.

The price of cappuccinos will rise probably because there will be no EU students at university working part time after Jan, many in health care and students the UK will never see graduate and work in the NHS.

Maybe to keep the price down start growing coffee beans beside the sqillions of sq miles bitumen in Kent truck parks where the temperature is 10 degrees hotter than anywhere else in the UK.

Own what you voted for. 

 

So basically what you are saying is that it’s perfectly ok for the chattering classes to treat young EU students to a life of near poverty, living in squalid housing conditions because they can’t afford decent housing, all because the chattering classes are not willing to pay decent wages and fulfill the demand for their frothy capoccino’s on the way to work. 
 

One of the most interesting side effects of COVID is that whole culture of employing cheap skivvies to maintain the leisure industries labour pool, is now dead as a dodo. If the likes of the internet warriors such as Hindsight Jack actually lived in England, they would have realised the chattering classes have suddenly pocketed a lot of money from breaking the cappuccino habit from working from home, they now acknowledge that the coffee on the way to and from work has cost them a lot of money over the years and that whole frothy social experience of being served by someone who can’t speak English and you know is being paid a pittance, is actually not much of an experience. 
 

Jack as you seem to support that whole leisure “frothy experience” from your ivory tower and from the experience of your internet based world, perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and start to buy the small family run shops that are beginning to close, as an investment for the future.

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A Leave campaign board member, former deputy chairman of the Conservative party, parachuted into Chairman of the Liaison Committee by Johnson against standing protocol and holding a gun to the HOC head for months leaving the post vacant

So for a senior MP of this standing and owing Johnson, to then be coming up with this is bordering on treason.

That or Harding is already gone and he is just sowing the field in advance of her public execution.

 

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11 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

I did forwarn you with this. 

You are 15 years out of date

His name Ron Nobel Interpol Sec General and gave evidence to Lord's Select Committee on European Union Fifth Report generally as follows in 2005. This was when Schengen Information System (SIS) Mk1 in use not MK2.

He said 15 years ago in the Interpol database 5.6 million stolen passport items and that the SIS Mk1 contains over ten million. He said that indicates member states INCL UK are not notifying Interpol database. That was a world wide issue NOT an EU issue as to data sharing personel details of citizens with 3rd countries. The EU had their own WORKAROUND.

As a side issue he also said in the UK landing cards completed by foreign nationals unlike those in most other countries, do not require the passport number to be entered. He gave the UK a spanking. This issue was solved in conjunction with UK subsequently being automatically part of EU's 'E-Borders' program. 

Then.

Wrong again.

Europol is the European Union's law enforcement agency yes. However it is not 'the EU's security data base' such as SIS and others and a security data base which the global equivalent is Interpol and which Interpol rely upon. 

The issue is not Interpol.....that is your eurosceptic diversion. The issue is this and contained in these 3 questions which you have IGNORED. 

This may come as a shock but Interpol even acknowledge they are a poor cousin to the EU's security system in Europe.

So speaking Interpol the only international agency after 1 January the UK can rely upon. Seems they are now shitting themselves over Interpol. :lol:

UK parliament to probe reports UAE 'torture' chief could become head of Interpol

Would love to know how much it would cost for UK to replicate what it enjoys now. Eye watering yet a bees dick of the £350m/week (which is double actual) on side of a NHS red bus and that equivalent will never happen. 

The public were lied to ....now the consequences are landing.

you do know the rest of the world is not in the EU and hence no free movement of labour from the EU nor  this

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-budget-auditors-idUSKBN1WM2B0


They seem to get on fine without being  members of europol

PS good catch Ron Nobel

So the Europol collecting 10 million records and not passing to Interpol wasnt them it was everyone else?

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27 minutes ago, Sailabout said:

you do know the rest of the world is not in the EU and hence no free movement of labour from the EU
They seem to get on fine without being  members of europol

I believe that could be regarded as a straw reply :lol:

You opened with this.

On 10/24/2020 at 1:57 PM, Sailabout said:

so Interpol no longer exists as those EU clowns invented their own system and refuse to share with Interpol?

 

PS. From December the UK are raising the bar on immigration, not just busking and with undesirable music.

I wonder if they will go to the next step of putting "have you ever been homeless" on border entry card plus build a world database of homeless people by name? BTW they could get that for 27 EU countries off EU database today. What a shame they can't access it anymore. :lol:

In simple English

9.21.1 We CAN deport you if we say you've been homeless

9.21.2 We WILL deport you if we say you've been homeless.

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

I believe that could be regarded as a straw reply :lol:

You opened with this.

 

yes and you informed me they have fixed that issue.
So when you are not in the EU why do you need access to Europol?

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1 hour ago, jgh66 said:

finally found all of Waynes arguments to leave the EU. Bananas. Now it all makes sense to me... 

And from the same radio station, Ian Dale who is about middle of the road who you can get.


 

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12 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

I believe that could be regarded as a straw reply :lol:

You opened with this.

PS. From December the UK are raising the bar on immigration ... I wonder if they will go to the next step of putting "have you ever been homeless" on entry card plus build a world database of homeless people by name?

In simple English

9.21.1 We CAN deport you if we say you've been homeless

9.21.2 We WILL deport you if we say you've been homeless.

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We should ask what the requirements are for Australian entry in regards to previous criminal charges, lots of pot and kettle black or more Hindsight Jack hypocrisy.

 

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13 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Nonsense.

Immigration cited as biggest reason for voting leave, even in electrorates with lowest immigration and immigrants were and are more likely to support curtailing immigration. Home Secretary Patel the Ugandan refugee the ultimate example.

Studies clearly show it was an immigrant employment fear and so vote for higher wages.

You fit the bill to a tee and still desperately trying to hide your Xenophobia by pulling the last straw out of the hat..... saying those who voted for the immigration status quo remaining in 2016 must support this Government initiative. You do not support the UTurn otherwise you would have said that.

The government have now realised the labour problem in a country with shit productivity is NO labour and have now done a UTurn on immigration. 

So you don't support that UTurn, but worse you are in denial and think the UTurn won't make any difference and the prices of cappuccinos will rise.

The price of cappuccinos will rise probably because there will be no EU students at university working part time after Jan, many in health care and students the UK will never see graduate and work in the NHS.

Maybe to keep the price down start growing coffee beans beside the sqillions of sq miles bitumen in Kent truck parks where the temperature is 10 degrees hotter than anywhere else in the UK.

Own what you voted for. 

 

Oh the fucking irony and lying reaches new levels, Wayne has spouted endlessly about wanting rid of migrant workers so the locals can go and work in the fields. 

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54 minutes ago, mad said:

Oh the fucking irony and lying reaches new levels, Wayne has spouted endlessly about wanting rid of migrant workers so the locals can go and work in the fields. 

Put up or shut up, where have I ever said that

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Ha ha...I think the first tweet from Redwood that fails to mention No Deal and suddenly he has developed a love of fish. 

Something is up.:lol:

 

 

Maybe just get all the rights that member states have, except keeping british electrical plugs, been allowed to drive on the wrong  side of the street, sell bananas of all quality grades, dig a 30km wide ditch between europe and england like middle age castles to protect the country from illegals, refuse Schengen and Euro but get Dublin agreements, pay far less for full access to the EU market and have a veto right to stop any EU rulings the UK don't like? Sounds to good to be true.... 

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3 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

We should ask what the requirements are for Australian entry in regards to previous criminal charges, lots of pot and kettle black or more Hindsight Jack hypocrisy.

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Ogh dear......you shouldn't have asked.

- Section 4 is for 'refusal for permission to stay' or 'deportation', NOT 'entry' unless you can commit a local offence BEFORE entry by magic. 

- Homelessness is NOT a 'criminal offence' in Aust or anywhere in the western world it seems, except the UK.

- Deportation applies in Aust if convicted (charges is not conviction) of certain serious crimes AND received a prison sentence in Australia. This is common most countries EXCEPT the UK as of 1 January. 

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4 hours ago, Sailabout said:

yes and you informed me they have fixed that issue.
So when you are not in the EU why do you need access to Europol?

You still don't get it.

Fixed what issue?

If you mean this difference in stolen passport numbers then it is not necessarily broke? 

See below.

16 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

His name Ron Nobel Interpol Sec General and gave evidence to Lord's Select Committee on European Union Fifth Report generally as follows in 2005. This was when Schengen Information System (SIS) Mk1 in use not MK2.

He said 15 years ago in the Interpol database 5.6 million stolen passport items and that the SIS Mk1 contains over ten million. He said that indicates member states INCL UK are not notifying Interpol database. That was a world wide issue NOT an EU issue as to data sharing personel details of citizens with 3rd countries. The EU had their own WORKAROUND.

"So when you are not in the EU why do you need access to Europol?

You don't.

Via Interpol all 3rd party countries have access to EU data base BUT ONLY where that information is sanctioned for release to Interpol by EU countries, no different than all countries?

So 3rd Party countries don't need direct access to EU database to secure access to it. The get access via Interpol but only to PART of it. 

The issue is the EU data base is far greater than Interpols for EU countries and that is ONLY available in FULL and in real time to ONLY EU members. 

Interpol acknowledge they are the poor cousin as I noted below. 

On 10/24/2020 at 4:06 PM, jack_sparrow said:

INTERPOL acesss realtime around 18 security databases in the world. The EU's is one. For instance the EU member states stolen vessels database serves as a centralised tool for tracing and tracking stolen vessels and engines worldwide...

16 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

This may come as a shock but Interpol even acknowledge they are a poor cousin to the EU's security system in Europe

 

 

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^^^^^^^^^^^ That for this.

Outside EU they are getting on fine BUT with LESS data and not in REAL TIME.

For UK as of 1 January UK suddenly don't have access to something they access nearly 2 million times per day across a huge range far in excess of Interpols data base .

UK after 1 January no different than all countries outside the EU. Many of those countries are thousands of miles away. UK is 5 minutes away, its largest trading partner and EU citizens crossing it's border out number any other country.

After 1 January which country outside the EU is at greater risk with things security EU? Answer UK.

Their choice.....except like all things Brexit things their citizens don't know that yet.

BTW I have no  idea what that Reuters article on 2/3 % of EU's expenditure has to do with security and security data?

5 hours ago, Sailabout said:

you do know the rest of the world is not in the EU and hence no free movement of labour from the EU nor  this

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-budget-auditors-idUSKBN1WM2B0


They seem to get on fine without being  members of europol

PS good catch Ron Nobel

So the Europol collecting 10 million records and not passing to Interpol wasnt them it was everyone else?

 

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4 hours ago, mad said:

Oh the fucking irony and lying reaches new levels, Wayne has spouted endlessly about wanting rid of migrant workers so the locals can go and work in the fields. 

3 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Put up or shut up, where have I ever said that

 

Wayne you really don't know when to shut up. :lol:

 

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Wayne you really don't know when to shut up. :lol:

 

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You are really a dumb libelous cunt Jack, have an actual look at what I'm writing, my missives have nothing to do with wanting to halt EU FOM immigration, but the way rich ferking twats like yourself take the piss out of people, by using them as cheap labour, simply to sate their wants to pour them their cappocino and fatten their wallet.

You obviously have never been poor Jack and you simply cannot appreciate how through circumstances simply of where you were born, how people from a rich society can use yourself literally as a serf. 

You really are a pretty awful man through and through, someone who will stoop so low to be willing to cut and paste to create a text which has little to do with the original meaning is in most peoples books even lower on the like scale than politicians and lawyers.

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2 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

.....my missives have nothing to do with wanting to halt EU FOM immigration, but the way rich ferking twats like yourself take the piss out of people, by using them as cheap labour, simply to sate their wants to pour them their cappocino and fatten their wallet...

But Wayne you say by Brexit removing FOM this is going to stop their arrival and save them or increase wages of any allowed to stay.

It there in post post after post. Have you changed your mind???

2 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

You really are a pretty awful man through and through, someone who will stoop so low to be willing to cut and paste to create a text which has little to do with the original meaning is in most peoples books even lower on the like scale than politicians and lawyers.

Wayne I'm not awful, I don't stoop and I didn't cut and paste anything and highlight the word 'labour.' I do own up to making a screen print of someone elses doing. 

Here you try.

Go to Search function and type in the word 'labour' posted by @Waynemarlow and hit Search Content button.

This pops up

Guess what pops up and there amoungst the Labour party posts.. is this and exactly as posted above with the word 'labour' highlighted in pink, unopened.

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So hit it  Wayne and hey presto your post opens up in full.

Wayne after opened and read in full you are dead right about the dumb libelous bit....

2 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

You are really a dumb libelous cunt Jack, have an actual look at what I'm writing, ...

....Wayne can you describe your house to me..maybe its value?? :lol:

PS. Don't tell your lawyer about the search function. If he types in the word 'silver' as in 'spoon' and posted by @Waynemarlow ...his news is going to be really depressing for you when he sees all these posts of yours. Your lovely Range Rover, bike will all be a goners. 

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Fishing is currently a tiny fraction of our economy. But there is vast growth potential in using fish in cosmetic and health supplements. Bones, scales, guts, heads, enzymes - almost all can be monetised. Hull and Grimsby could be reborn as pharma hubs.

Actual words of an UK trade expert who works on UK US deal for the UK government..

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Interesting. Tory Telegraph handfull of articles like this.

Sorry to say, but I’ve never been more worried for Britain’s future

"Brexit has come at precisely the wrong time for our island to thrive outside the EU"

The common theme. Brexit will not be as good as we said it would be BUT that is not our fault. Blame Covid and Biden for sure getting in, among other things.

Blame game but NOT the EU???

The ONLY narrative that fits is extend and call 2021 an "Implementation" period.

Has the entire EU27 even got the stomach for that now?

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9 hours ago, LeoV said:

Fishing is currently a tiny fraction of our economy. But there is vast growth potential in using fish in cosmetic and health supplements. Bones, scales, guts, heads, enzymes - almost all can be monetised. Hull and Grimsby could be reborn as pharma hubs.

Actual words of an UK trade expert who works on UK US deal for the UK government..

To be fair they've already been reborn (or are in the process) as renewable hubs.
Having the (mis)fortune to live in Hull pretty much all of my life & work for a couple of renewable projects in Grimsby, its safe to say that fishing from these ports has been dead for a long time.

When I was a kid I remember seeing a lot of fishing vessels whenever we overnighted in the Fish Dock at Grimsby & it was already dead then apparently, Hull is even worse, while we might have a strong fishing heritage, there is literally almost nothing left.
St. Andrews Dock is now a shopping centre, Princes Dock is now a shopping centre, Victoria Dock is a housing estate, Albert Dock is a shell of its former self.
Fishing might be an emotional subject to many here, but in terms of economic impact, its done and dusted.

Fortunately both towns have been massively helped by the boom in renewables, Siemens have a large blade factory next to Alexandra dock & the council is trying to rebrand as Green Port Hull, with a lot of success it seems as there has been plenty of investment.
Same for Grimsby, the fishdock is now mostly used by windfarm CTVs, & the Royal Dock is now home to a large Orsted renewables operation, and tons of renewables companies have offices / operations there as well.

Honestly its great to see run down industrial towns & city's like these that have basically been abandoned by successive governments finally having