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I was thinking for the last few days that  as a pro union lifelong Alliance voter I should respond to this post but turning on the radio this morning and hearing Mike Nesbitt made me decide to act.

No way I'm going to PA. This was a top thread, now it's fucked. Thank you fucking idiots.

Umm, that would be you.  1) You are fool (as is both evident and self-confessed) who thinks that brexit is a good idea.  2) You post nonsense that only reinforces this and believe that you a

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15 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:
15 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Corporation Tax up from 19% to 25%. A massive increase reversing 40 years of cuts.

Umm thats not the full story at all. It stays the same for small business's, its only large business's..

You need to read before you type. Starting with first finding out which entities pay Corporations Tax in the UK. It is first a tax on all limited liability company profits.

However sole traders for instance can include dividends or salary in their personal taxes. 

Tax obligations for sole traders also incl tax-free personal allowances and sliding scales. This has not changed for many moons.

I was clearly not attaching those few words to every business in the UK without even knowing the budget detail which has carved out small limited liability companies.

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11 hours ago, Laser1 said:

Oddly enough Jack brexshit does not seem to be a headline topic anymore in daily covid19 life in Englishstan.  

A lot of spin assisting that obviously with budget lead up.

Need a new distraction beyond the Irish question.

The Royals and throw in a few asylum seekers are always good fodder.

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9 hours ago, Laser1 said:

Small business that carved out a good living exporting to the continent probably will be thrown under the bus for 'the greater good'. Not only fish but also the wider agricultural ones. 

Agri food a real worry, not fish and the bus is bearing down fast.

More money and more employment. A sector which takes years at best of times to recalibrate production, seek alternative markets etc. All as a orphaned 3rd country with nothing to take cover behind once carry over EU deals expire.

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17 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Sunak announcing a budget but doesn't mention Brexit. WTF.

Labour will support this one.

Corporation Tax up from 19% to 25%. A massive increase reversing 40 years of cuts.

27% was the number.in Corbyns Manifesto and Tory's screamed.

Laying bets for 2024 GE they promise to drop that 25% back to 19%

In this case Jack its special circumstances, so I don't think its necessarily the best comparison with Corbyns manifesto. 
If Corbyn had won then he'd either have to cancel most of spending, or up the taxation rate even more. 

17 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Umm thats not the full story at all. It stays the same for small business's, its only large business's with large profits, which if they invest back into their business's, any additional tax will be easily offset.

Come on Jack, forget the headlines, tell the true story.

Wayne, its any business with profits over 50k. 
That's a good proportion of contractors who have to work through a limited company. 

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8 minutes ago, MiddayGun said:

In this case Jack its special circumstances, so I don't think its necessarily the best comparison with Corbyns manifesto. ..

True. Referenced more as a reminder about the screams of Labour taxing the shit out of business, lost jobs etc during GE campaign.

This when Tory manifesto had no tax increases and nothing pencilled in for Brexit impacts which was pre Covid. Today they still pretend that doesn't exist, looking to bury the Brexit body in the Covid economic shipwreck. 

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30 minutes ago, MiddayGun said:

In this case Jack its special circumstances, so I don't think its necessarily the best comparison with Corbyns manifesto. 
If Corbyn had won then he'd either have to cancel most of spending, or up the taxation rate even more. 

Wayne, its any business with profits over 50k. 
That's a good proportion of contractors who have to work through a limited company. 

With the caveat that many contractors who work through their own service companies (as requested by “employers” who don’t want employees for many reasons) end up paying the company profits out to themselves by way of salary/pension contribution. The end result is that the company has minimal profits and the individual has a taxable income, which is subject to Income Tax, rather than the company keeping a big profit and paying Corporation Tax.

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6 minutes ago, Black Sox said:

With the caveat that many contractors who work through their own service companies (as requested by “employers” who don’t want employees for many reasons) end up paying the company profits out to themselves by way of salary/pension contribution. The end result is that the company has minimal profits and the individual has a taxable income, which is subject to Income Tax, rather than the company keeping a big profit and paying Corporation Tax.

That's very rarely how it works. 
Most people pay themselves a minimum salary and take the rest through a dividend pay out. 

Only when employment falls under IR35 legislation would people take all the profit as a salary as its less tax efficient, so after you take off the salary, any expenses you can claim and other operating costs then that is the profit that you pay tax on.  Taking a dividend does not change this as the dividend must be taken from profit. So you get taxed on the profit & then again on the dividend you take. 

I haven't checked the numbers yet, but it maybe the extra 5% of tax means its better to pay all your profits as a salary, but that would mean all the disadvantages of contract work and none of the benefits. 
In most cases contractors are required to work though a limited company, sole trader or self employed is usually not an option.

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1 hour ago, Black Sox said:

With the caveat that many contractors who work through their own service companies (as requested by “employers” who don’t want employees for many reasons) end up paying the company profits out to themselves by way of salary/pension contribution. The end result is that the company has minimal profits and the individual has a taxable income, which is subject to Income Tax, rather than the company keeping a big profit and paying Corporation Tax

Exactly with dividends/salaries wives become bookkeepers etc and Wayne is small businessman. :rolleyes:

 

3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

It is first a tax on all limited liability company profits.

However sole traders for instance can include dividends or salary in their personal taxes. 

Tax obligations for sole traders also incl tax-free personal allowances and sliding scales. This has not changed for many moons.

 

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1 hour ago, MiddayGun said:

Wayne, its any business with profits over 50k. 
That's a good proportion of contractors who have to work through a limited company. 

You obviously work for somebody else being paid a salary. Few small business’s that I know, by the time all expenses are taken out would have a profit greater than 50k.It’s one of the great myths of the salaried media pundits that everybody who owns their own company, must make a fortune.


But he said a new small profits rate would maintain the 19% rate for firms with profits of £50,000 or less, meaning that about 70% of companies - 1.4 million businesses - would be "completely unaffected" by the tax rise.
And there will be a taper above £50,000, so that only businesses with profits of £250,000 or greater will be taxed at the full 25% rate - about 10% of firms.
Mr Sunak said: "So yes, it's a tax rise on company profits. But only on the larger, most profitable companies. And only in two years' time."

BBC News.

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1 hour ago, MiddayGun said:

I haven't checked the numbers yet, but it maybe the extra 5% of tax means its better to pay all your profits as a salary, but that would mean all the disadvantages of contract work and none of the benefits

I'm sure the tax man tweeks things so people stay in the same lane and don't start switching their status to reduce their tax obligations..

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10 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Exactly with dividends/salaries wives become bookkeepers etc and Wayne is small businessman. :rolleyes:

 

 

Only if you're dumb enough to be married. ;)

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1 hour ago, MiddayGun said:

That's very rarely how it works. 
Most people pay themselves a minimum salary and take the rest through a dividend pay out. 

Only when employment falls under IR35 legislation would people take all the profit as a salary as its less tax efficient, so after you take off the salary, any expenses you can claim and other operating costs then that is the profit that you pay tax on.  Taking a dividend does not change this as the dividend must be taken from profit. So you get taxed on the profit & then again on the dividend you take. 

I haven't checked the numbers yet, but it maybe the extra 5% of tax means its better to pay all your profits as a salary, but that would mean all the disadvantages of contract work and none of the benefits. 
In most cases contractors are required to work though a limited company, sole trader or self employed is usually not an option.

You may want to check but you maybe are 5 years out of date,

Being self employed myself and owning a small company, most of the benefits of being self employed have been whittled away by successive chancellors, to the point that unless you want the freedom of organising your own time, then being salaried with company benefits is now better financially. 

Rishi in particular hates the self employed, one only has to look at the way he has treated them in this crisis where some 3.2m of the self employed have received little to nothing as financial support in this crisis and I can count myself as one of those. 

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2 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Rishi in particular hates the self employed, one only has to look at the way he has treated them in this crisis where some 3.2m of the self employed have received little to nothing as financial support in this crisis and I can count myself as one of those. 

That has me baffled as they have to be in the majority Tory voters just like you, except maybe young ones in the gig or zero hours sector..

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Just now, jack_sparrow said:

LB wants to marry me.

Not even LB would want to marry someone who spends 21 hours down in the depths of a boat, totally addicted to writing, what was it 41 posts yesterday on SA. That wouldn’t seduce even the gold diggers of the world.

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

That has me baffled as they have to be in the majority Tory voters, except maybe young ones in the gig or zero hours sector, just like you.

 Just maybe looking in from the internet and your ivory tower doesn’t show how the U.K. economy and lifestyle works. Perhaps that’s why you so often are so wide of the mark, you can be largely ignored and deemed just entertainment. 

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9 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

That has me baffled as they have to be in the majority Tory voters just like you, except maybe young ones in the gig or zero hours sector..

 I think they must reckon that few of them are prepared to vote for anyone else in the current circumstances. I don't get why they are so determined to kill off a flexible and dynamic professional sector whilst creating a business environment that needs a flexible and dynamic professional workforce, though...

It's one of the great Tory myths, that they claim to be the party of business whilst making life difficult for SMEs. Maybe Wayne has some insight as to why anyone who runs an SME would vote for them?

 Incidentally, those freelancers who adopted the setup Middaygun describes above (minimum salary, remainder in dividends) are primarily benefitting from minimising their employers National Insurance contributions, rather than their income/corporation tax bill, but have been left out in the cold by the furlough scheme that only supports 80% of salary payments; 80% of FA being not enough to feed your kids...

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2 hours ago, MiddayGun said:

That's very rarely how it works. 
Most people pay themselves a minimum salary and take the rest through a dividend pay out. 

Only when employment falls under IR35 legislation would people take all the profit as a salary as its less tax efficient, so after you take off the salary, any expenses you can claim and other operating costs then that is the profit that you pay tax on.  Taking a dividend does not change this as the dividend must be taken from profit. So you get taxed on the profit & then again on the dividend you take. 

I haven't checked the numbers yet, but it maybe the extra 5% of tax means its better to pay all your profits as a salary, but that would mean all the disadvantages of contract work and none of the benefits. 
In most cases contractors are required to work though a limited company, sole trader or self employed is usually not an option.

OK, now I'm confused.

I would have thought that, for the individual, it doesn't matter whether the income from his own company is in the form of salary or dividend because he pays Income Tax at the same rate(s) on the gross income with credit(s) for whatever tax has been withheld by the company when paying it, leaving him in the same after-tax position.

The difference is in the company either getting a tax deduction for a salary or not getting one for a dividend.

I'm not familiar with IR35 and I'm really basing my comments on my knowledge of IRL tax legislation which, although similar to UK tax legislation, does differ. So you're probably right and I'm not falling out with you over it.

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3 minutes ago, Black Sox said:

OK, now I'm confused.

I would have thought that, for the individual, it doesn't matter whether the income from his own company is in the form of salary or dividend because he pays Income Tax at the same rate(s) on the gross income with credit(s) for whatever tax has been withheld by the company when paying it, leaving him in the same after-tax position.

The difference is in the company either getting a tax deduction for a salary or not getting one for a dividend.

I'm not familiar with IR35 and I'm really basing my comments on my knowledge of IRL tax legislation which, although similar to UK tax legislation, does differ. So you're probably right and I'm not falling out with you over it.

This is why I pay an accountant.

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9 minutes ago, Black Sox said:

OK, now I'm confused.

I would have thought that, for the individual, it doesn't matter whether the income from his own company is in the form of salary or dividend because he pays Income Tax at the same rate(s) on the gross income with credit(s) for whatever tax has been withheld by the company when paying it, leaving him in the same after-tax position.

The difference is in the company either getting a tax deduction for a salary or not getting one for a dividend.

I'm not familiar with IR35 and I'm really basing my comments on my knowledge of IRL tax legislation which, although similar to UK tax legislation, does differ. So you're probably right and I'm not falling out with you over it.

The company pays it's director(s) a salary (usually monthly) and dividends (quarterly? annually?). The salary part is subject to employers National Insurance contributions of 13.8% but the dividend part is not, so it's quite a significant saving. In addition, the limited company will usually pay expenses like travel costs, hotel bills etc before tax, which is helpful for anyone who is required to change their place of work frequently.

 The original rationale behind the introduction of IR35 was to stop people leaving a job on Friday where they were an employee and returning on the following Monday as a contractor in order to avoid tax. Whilst this did happen on a small scale the legislation has encompassed a raft of other freelance workers, many of whom provided specific skills or short term boosts to cover peaks in demand, project work, regional demand etc. The flexible, highly skilled professionals I referred to above.

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34 minutes ago, WGWarburton said:

It's one of the great Tory myths, that they claim to be the party of business...

That ship called the Tory Party the "party of business" sailed long ago.

Exactly when were the lines cast off?

Probably the moment the 52/48 count was in, a result they didn't expect, but it suddenly gave the right in the party the leverage to take over control of the party under the very noses of largely a aging and or brain dead membership. 

The outward signs were all there, be it Johnson's quip of "fuck business" to the appalling lack of Brexit engagement with the private sector from 2016 to even now. The only exceptions were those with a vested interest, particularly those at the top end of town financing them and demanding a return on their investment.

The interesting thing is it appears to be pulling Labor kicking and screaming more towards the middle, which if they are ever to govern is where they have to be, providing if many on the left can get thoughts of Blair out of their mind. Then again the UK might become so screwed, the socialist left with 'mother will look after you' might appeal. Who knows. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Laser1 said:

That is a bolt out of the blue. Fair bit of fresh food, particularly out of season comes out of there. I'm pulling this out of my arse, but I recall a EU Morocco  Agreement with a 'equal trading terms' provision for any deals they might do with others like the UK?

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4 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

That ship called the Tory Party the "party of business" sailed long ago.

Exactly when were the lines cast off?

Probably the moment the 52/48 count was in, a result they didn't expect, but it suddenly gave the right in the party the leverage to take over control of the party under the very noses of largely a aging and or brain dead membership. 

The outward signs were all there, be it Johnson's quip of "fuck business" to the appalling lack of Brexit engagement with the private sector from 2016 to even now. The only exceptions were those with a vested interest, particularly those at the top end of town financing them and demanding a return on their investment.

The interesting thing is it appears to be pulling Labor kicking and screaming more towards the middle, which if they are ever to govern is where they have to be, providing if many on the left can get thoughts of Blair out of their mind. Then again the UK might become so screwed, the socialist left with 'mother will look after you' might appeal. Who knows. 

 

It goes back way before then- I recall my parents (who ran a small distribution business with a couple of retail outlets and a tiny publishing arm) lamenting how difficult they were making things in the '80s.

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1 minute ago, WGWarburton said:

It goes back way before then- I recall my parents (who ran a small distribution business with a couple of retail outlets and a tiny publishing arm) lamenting how difficult they were making things in the '80s.

Cheers,

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Well Blair certainly grabbed a few.

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You guys are ignoring the UK’s voting penchant to every 3 elections of voting for anybody but who I voted for before such is uselessness of our political elite of all parties that after 3 cycles, are shown to be well “useless”

Blair who actually most liked was the new face on the block and won an overwhelming victory for probably no other reason of the new face and the view at that time that anybody but the Conservatives who had been in for too long. What’s the saying, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
 

WG you can talk to any of our parents any where in the world and you will get the answer that their parents had it better than them. Ask your kids and they will say the same. Us as parents will say the exact opposite. As a greater proportion of our lives are totally in hand with business then it’s always the fault of the government which is making it harder for business that is making my life more difficult, regardless of which party was in power at the time.

One thing for sure though, your and my overall taxes have steadily risen over the years if we take in all the Stealth taxes and “extras” that are now part of the daily tax take.

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41 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

WG you can talk to any of our parents any where in the world and you will get the answer that their parents had it better than them. Ask your kids and they will say the same. Us as parents will say the exact opposite. As a greater proportion of our lives are totally in hand with business then it’s always the fault of the government which is making it harder for business that is making my life more difficult, regardless of which party was in power at the time.

Bollocks. My parents grew up during WW2 and after that travel outside the UK was difficult (when they were in their 20s), they were well aware that life for us was a massive improvement over what they survived... and prior to that, that their lives were better in many ways than those of their parents. Most of the 20th century was a grim time and during the first half only a small number of affluent people had anything like the level of comfort our generation enjoys.

41 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

One thing for sure though, your and my overall taxes have steadily risen over the years if we take in all the Stealth taxes and “extras” that are now part of the daily tax take.

Public services are also significantly better- we have better transport, better healthcare, better schools, better leisure facilities. Up until a few years ago the UK was one of the best places in the world to live- a UK passport would let you roam the world, earning sterling made you a rich person in a good proportion of it. We were even starting to come to terms with some of the more unpleasant elements of our chequered history. Brexit has put that back decades. If my children were to say my generation had it easier than them, I'm not sure I would argue.

 The current nostalgia in the UK (England?) for the "golden years" is totally disconnected from reality. The portrayal of the mid 20th century in the media, where we are invited to imagine ourselves as part of the affluent upper-middle class minority is far from the real lives of the majority of Britons at the time, and the honeyed "community spirit" of the honest-to-goodness-working class of "call the midwife" is similarly misleading... grim times.

Cheers,

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4 hours ago, Laser1 said:

This is about as likely to happen as Whyne answering a question. Following this elsewhere in shipping business, and new company set up in Dec 2020 at mailbox address in London with holding company similar in Gibraltar. No money, no experience, no ships .... Suggestions are that there could be stuff to come north, but nothing south. Jokers suggest wrinklies in motor homes with one way only tickets.

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On 3/3/2021 at 8:26 AM, Waynemarlow said:

Umm thats not the full story at all. It stays the same for small business's, its only large business's with large profits, which if they invest back into their business's, any additional tax will be easily offset.

Come on Jack, forget the headlines, tell the true story.

I'm all for corporations paying 25% instead of 19%.

But dont put lipstick on a pig Whine. You are suggesting over capitalisation, which is inefficient. At some stage the tax increase bites. 

 

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Very good thread.
Appointing Frost as minister of Brexit is not seen a sign as a start of a better relationship.

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The EU will take “infringement proceedings” against the U.K. for its decision to unilaterally extend grace periods on post-Brexit customs checks at Northern Ireland’s ports “very soon," according to European Commission Vice President Maroš Šefčovič.

In an interview with the Financial Times published late Thursday, Šefčovič, who is responsible for talks with London on the implementation of the Brexit divorce deal, said: “We are currently preparing it and it would be really something coming to our table very soon ... The most precise term I can give you is really very soon.” Šefčovič did not say what sort of legal action the Commission would take.

The U.K.'s policy, announced in a written statement on Wednesday, caused uproar in Dublin and also in Brussels, where officials had been expecting to resolve ongoing trade disruption in Northern Ireland later this month through a meeting of the EU-U.K. Joint Committee, which oversees the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

.In reaction to the move, leaders of the European Parliament's political groups on Thursday postponed a decision on when to vote to ratify the post-Brexit trade deal. Irish Foreign Minister told the FT the EU was “negotiating with a partner it simply can’t trust."

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Statement by Vice-President Maroš Šefčovič following today's announcement by the UK government regarding the Protocol on Ireland / Northern Ireland

Following the UK government's statement today, Vice-President Šefčovič has expressed the EU's strong concerns over the UK's unilateral action, as this amounts to a violation of the relevant substantive provisions of the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland and the good faith obligation under the Withdrawal Agreement. This is the second time that the UK government is set to breach international law.

This also constitutes a clear departure from the constructive approach that has prevailed up until now, thereby undermining both the work of the Joint Committee and the mutual trust necessary for solution-oriented cooperation.

It is equally disappointing that the UK government has resorted to such unilateral action without informing the EU's co-chair of the Joint Committee. Issues relating to the Protocol should be dealt with through the structures provided for by the Withdrawal Agreement. 

Vice-President Šefčovič has reiterated that the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland is the only way to protect the Good Friday (Belfast) Agreement in all its dimensions, and to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland. Throughout last year, we worked tirelessly to find practical workable solutions, based on the Protocol, to minimise disruption caused by Brexit and to help facilitate the everyday life of communities in Northern Ireland. The Joint Committee formally endorsed these solutions on 17 December 2020 in order to help businesses adapt to the new reality.

The Vice-President has also recalled that at the last EU-UK Joint Committee on 24 February, the UK reiterated its commitment to the proper implementation of the Protocol, as well as the implementation without delay of all decisions taken in the Joint Committee in December 2020. He also recalled that the mutually agreed joint engagement with Northern Irish business groups and other stakeholders was meant to jointly look into solutions.

In his phone call later today with David Frost, in his capacity as co-chair of the EU-UK Joint Committee on the Withdrawal Agreement and of the EU-UK Partnership Council, Vice-President Šefčovič will inform him that the European Commission will respond to these developments in accordance with the legal means established by the Withdrawal Agreement and the Trade and Cooperation Agreement.

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On 3/4/2021 at 11:17 PM, Waynemarlow said:

WG you can talk to any of our parents any where in the world and you will get the answer that their parents had it better than them.

Bollocks.

Thats Brexit nationalism.

That's the words of an immigrant kicked out/forced out of the country their forebears colonised. 

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2 hours ago, LeoV said:

Very good thread.
Appointing Frost as minister of Brexit is not seen a sign as a start of a better relationship.

He is just there as a head kicker...there is no finesse to the way they operate.

It is same reason why Davis got first Brexit Sec job. Same result.

Applying the Protocol unilaterally is the second time they have broken international law 5 minutes after signing off. 

The EU's response has been push back of EU parliamentary signoff on the Deal.

Next step? Don't sign it and put the UK in the freezer???

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The vaccine export ban has been triggered.

Germany voices concern over Italy’s block of vaccine export to Australia

Ignore the Aust politician comments.

 Their comments a domestic audience. 

This 250,000 doses of EU AstraZeneca a drop in bucket of a small bucket and not needed. Plenty of stock and rollout only just started.

However the thing not mentioned is 95% of  Australias AstraZeneca is being made in Aust under license.

Overlaying this there is also empathy for Italy's deaths of 300 per day versus Aust 0. Italys need far greater than Aust.

That said Aust also have a vaccine nationalism streak. Voted down changes to WTO IP rules alongside US etc that would have facilitated greater/faster global rollout.

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Thats a laugh.

Withdrawing support to something they and the DUP never supported from day one 23 years and not a day since.

Why does the UK still allow them a voice ignoring terrorist organisation ban rules? That says a lot.

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The Money Stories of Covid UK

Billions given to Tory mates for PPE Test and Trace etc and of which the Covid App was just one multi million piece.

 • 100 million people checked in to venues using App QR Code.
• only 284 alerts have been sent
• for 276 venues.

The QR codes and digital Contact Trace system are bizzarely not integrated.

Test and Trace Barely Used

And they wonder why half the the deaths have been after 1 Dec.

This week.

Nurses get 1% pay rise as reward after 2020 and being screwed for 10 years. 

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11 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

One for WG,

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I'm ignorant to the Sturgeon/Salmond issues just as you are.

But I do know that Sturgeon endured 8 hrs of intensive detailed question with dignity and composure.

Johnson do that?  Given his inabilty to answer the most simple questions I would love to see him in front of any Inquiry. He would be pissing his pants.

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21 minutes ago, sosoomii said:

Seems Boris’ handling of brexit and COVID is more popular than you give him credit for @jacksparrow

Troll.

The subject of voting intention and Govt  outcomes regularly raised here.

Polls factor in opposition performance NOT just Govt performance. Labour still going through faction issues and in a epidemic there is no traction from critisising Govt. Little wonder they are behind 3 months into vaccine rollout.

The last time posted here was to this poll Troll.

PS. Blink twice if you know who owns YouGov.

On 2/26/2021 at 2:27 AM, jack_sparrow said:

By any metric worlds worst pandemic outcome and worlds/OECD worst consequential economic performance.

Yet voting intention?

Go figure? Stockholm Syndrome?

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How on earth is posting the latest poll trolling? You on the other hand have spent the best part of 30,000 posts decrying every move the UK govt have made in the last 5 years.
If Boris was really responsible for destroying the UK’s future and killing 100,000 people would he really be leading the polls? What on earth would it take for Labour to get ahead??  
Maybe, just maybe, your continual whinging does not reflect the general view of the UK public.  Admit it - you are out of touch, a troll and a bore.  

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3 hours ago, jgh66 said:

The EU will take “infringement proceedings” against the U.K. for its decision to unilaterally extend grace periods on post-Brexit customs checks at Northern Ireland’s ports “very soon," according to European Commission Vice President Maroš Šefčovič.

In an interview with the Financial Times published late Thursday, Šefčovič, who is responsible for talks with London on the implementation of the Brexit divorce deal, said: “We are currently preparing it and it would be really something coming to our table very soon ... The most precise term I can give you is really very soon.” Šefčovič did not say what sort of legal action the Commission would take.

The U.K.'s policy, announced in a written statement on Wednesday, caused uproar in Dublin and also in Brussels, where officials had been expecting to resolve ongoing trade disruption in Northern Ireland later this month through a meeting of the EU-U.K. Joint Committee, which oversees the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

.In reaction to the move, leaders of the European Parliament's political groups on Thursday postponed a decision on when to vote to ratify the post-Brexit trade deal. Irish Foreign Minister told the FT the EU was “negotiating with a partner it simply can’t trust."

So hard Brexit can still happen...

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27 minutes ago, sosoomii said:
41 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

and in a epidemic there is no traction from critisising Govt.

Yeah, Trump did so well out of it. Fool.

Go look up polls for US voting reasons...Covid not alone or high on the list.

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41 minutes ago, sosoomii said:

Maybe, just maybe, your continual whinging does not reflect the general view of the UK public.

45% of the vote and 80 seats majority does not represent 45% of 67 million people. Its only 14 million or 20%. 

My whinging is skin the game.

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@Waynemarlow

looks like Paddy to the rescue once again.

Its like back in the dark ages when we had to teach ye how to read and write after the romans ditched ye only this time it’s sausages and black pudds..

 

lol

 

 

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9 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

45% of the vote and 80 seats majority does not represent 45% of 67 million people. Its only 14 million or 20%. 

My whinging is skin the game.

Not sure what you mean by this? 

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NI;

it will be a political minefield, for both sides. It will probably not be a reason to go for NoDeal now, but in 4 years time there is a reset moment. If UK is still confrontial, who knows ?? But around that time the whole shebang of Brexit and it's consequences are far more clear then know, even for the average Johnny on the street.
Fighting the EU gave BJ his power to be PM, so best is to keep doing that...

Vaccines, yep due to Brexit AZ choose the UK as a test bed, like Pfizer did with Israel.
Pick a country with a high death rate and wealthy enough to buy the doses and with a structured health system.
With UK inside EU that would have been a hard sell, outside it was easy. There were no other rich functional countries left with high mortality outside EU and US.
And having Oxford behind it helped too, like Pfizer is top of vaccines in the EU, as it is part German (who kept it out of he hands of Trump, remember ?)
So not much to do with all the reasons the UK government gave for it. AZ picked UK , not the UK made AZ pick them.

Sidenote,

Now AZ doses from the Dutch plant can not leave the EU without permission of the EU, and non allowed to be send to the UK.
Romania send some 200 K to Moldavia, even when they needed it too, but their neighbour Moldavia (Non EU) was in even more need for them.
Just to counter the non AU export license. So unlike the UK and the US, EU is still exporting vaccines. But not to all.
EU  said Pfizer doses can be exported to anywhere as long as Pfizer is delivering what was promised (or best effort shown and in consultation), even exporting to the UK.

Sidenote 2;
Even with UK vaccines program rolling for months their death numbers are still double then ours. Relatively comparable nations who report death causes the same way, with handling of Covid almost the same, but UK was later in lockdown rules, and earlier to open them (Xmas and Eating out etc). With both countries having the UK variant as main infection source.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=nld&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usaz&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=ussd&cumulative=1&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-03-02&values=deaths

In fall we an compare all of this, including economic damage, NI and UK EU relations etc.

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9 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Go look up polls for US voting reasons...Covid not alone or high on the list.

You made out it was impossible to criticise a govt during the pandemic.   Trump was criticised by millions every day for COVID and non-COVID reasons.  Boris has been criticised every day too, for COVID, brexit and other reasons by yourself and many others.  Yet still, the latest polls put him well clear. Doubtless you will argue the UK public is stupid and try to back that up with countless graphs, but I would suggest a simpler explanation is that your views have become polarised by constantly doubling down on your opinion to the point where you can’t see the wood for the trees.

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35 minutes ago, sosoomii said:

Doubtless you will argue the UK public is stupid

Doesn't need any arguing.  A shitload of them are.:lol:

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1 hour ago, sosoomii said:
10 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

45% of the vote and 80 seats majority does not represent 45% of 67 million people. Its only 14 million or 20%. 

My whinging is skin the game.

Not sure what you mean by this?

Your 45% Tory poll is the 2019 GE result and the rest basic maths.

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1 hour ago, sosoomii said:
11 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Go look up polls for US voting reasons...Covid not alone or high on the list.

You made out it was impossible to criticise a govt during the pandemic.

Please don't misquote me,  I didn't say it was "impossible to critisise a govt during a pandemic".

12 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Labour still going through faction issues and in a epidemic there is no traction from critisising Govt.

"no traction from critisising Govt" means exactly that, get bogged down, hard to advance etc, when referencing a poll result.

I try and report PMQ's here most Wednesday.

They are all full of Starmer belting into the Govt over policy failures. However he visits sparingly things like mortality etc as that is a double edged political sword.

That political opposition approach has occured in many countries, US included. 

And this.

1 hour ago, sosoomii said:

Yet still, the latest polls put him well clear. Doubtless you will argue the UK public is stupid and try to back that up with countless graphs, 

The jury is in on the public. Many dumb as batshit to be taken in by Johnson twice.

As for you.

You can't see link in my post to 45% GE result and you struggle with basic maths not seeing that 45% of the vote was only 14m people in a country of 67m ..and yet you hate graphs.

Jury is in for you too.

 

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12 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

banging on about the UK having the jump on the EU to upscale EV production.

Again for umpteenth time, it’s all lies again by Jack. If you want to prove where I have stated that then by all means or remove it.

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You tool JS.  No one suggested 45% in a poll equates to 30million votes from a total population of 67 million,  or least because about 20 million are ineligible to vote.  But anyone can see that a poll score of 45% is healthy and suggests govt policies are more popular than you give credit for.  Anyway, I’ve had my annual dip in this cesspool so I’ll leave you to froth at the mouth.  Until next time.

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12 hours ago, Panoramix said:

So hard Brexit can still happen

Perhaps, there were always forces in the UK who wanted to have a "no deal" brexshit, maybe that's the way to get it. Very unlikely that the EU and US will just do nothing... Brexshitters will see it as a way to full sovereignity, the rest of the world as political and economical suicide for the UK. 

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13 hours ago, sosoomii said:

Seems Boris’ handling of brexit and COVID is more popular than you give him credit for @jacksparrow

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Who owns YouGov?

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YouGov was founded in the UK in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and future MP Nadhim Zahawi, at the time both active in the British Conservative Party. In 2001 they engaged BBC political analyst Peter Kellner, who became chairman, and then from 2007–2016, President.[3][4]

In April 2005, YouGov became a public company listed on the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange.[5] Major shareholders of the company are BlackRock and Standard Life Aberdeen.[6]

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Nadhim Zahawi (Arabic: ناظم الزهاوي; born 2 June 1967) is an Iraqi-born British politician who has served as Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Business and Industry since 2019 and Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for COVID-19 Vaccine Deployment since 2020. A member of the Conservative Party, he has been Member of Parliament (MP) for Stratford-on-Avon since 2010.

 

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1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said:

Again for umpteenth time, it’s all lies again by Jack. If you want to prove where I have stated that then by all means or remove it.

1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said:

to be honest I don't' remember putting that on.

 

"it’s all lies again by Jack... prove where I have stated that...or remove it."

"to be honest I don't' remember putting that on". .

:lol:

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Why do I get drawn like a fly to turd?  Also from Wikipedia, but conveniently not quoted above.  My emphasis.

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In 2000, Shakespeare founded YouGov with Nadhim Zahawi. In 2001, YouGov predicted Labour’s 10-point general election victory to within one percentage point. YouGov expanded its business in 2006–2007 by acquiring market research businesses in the Middle East, the United States, Germany and Scandinavia. The company further expanded in 2010 and 2011, acquiring two further businesses in the United States. In 2011, the company established itself in Paris. In 2014, YouGov acquired Asia-Pacific based business, Decision Fuel.

After a spell as the joint CEO with co-founder Zahawi, Shakespeare took the title of Chief Innovations Officer until he became sole CEO in May 2010, when Zahawi resigned from the board in order to stand for election to the House of Commons. As of October 2014, Shakespeare owned about 6 percent of YouGov's shares. In July 2008, The Guardian listed Shakespeare as among the top 100 media personalities in the UK, calling him "the pollster with the uncanny ability of getting it right."[6]

 

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2 hours ago, mad said:

In April 2005, YouGov became a public company listed on the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange.[5] Major shareholders of the company are BlackRock and Standard Life Aberdeen.[6]

Ferk there’s more conspiracy theory’s here than In Roswell. Do you honestly think a public listed company is still going to care who the previous owners were 16 years ago and would frig the data accordingly, when unbiased data reporting and its accuracy is tantamount to its success and wealth.

Doh guess only a jilted Remainer could make that connection.

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40 minutes ago, sosoomii said:

In 2000, Shakespeare founded YouGov with Nadhim Zahawi.

YouGov definitely has a Tory results bias as shown in all work done looking at all the pollsters.

Zahawi is the Vaccine Minister which you will be lucky to find a detractor for as a early Vaccine rollout was the only thing that could salvage the Govt standing domestically. Hence your 45%.

This a recent vid where from 0.50 after vaccine backslapping it starts to go pear shaped for him.

Like most Ministers he is a master bullshitter when t comes to anything to do with papering over the UK's shit contact/trace capability, the prime cause of the high mortality.

 

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21 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Ferk there’s more conspiracy theory’s here than In Roswell. Do you honestly think a public listed company is still going to care who the previous owners were 16 years ago and would frig the data accordingly, when unbiased data reporting and its accuracy is tantamount to its success and wealth.

Doh guess only a jilted Remainer could make that connection.

Zahawi still a substantial YouGov shareholder though a tax haven entity that washes it from the MP's interest register you will find. Their results are definitely Tory skewed and they are always popping up with odd ball poll results just when a distraction is needed by #10. 

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10 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Zahawi still a substantial YouGov shareholder though a tax haven entity that washes it from the MP's interest register you will find. Their results are definitely Tory skewed and they are always popping up with odd ball poll results just when a distraction is needed by #10. 

:rolleyes:

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33 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

YouGov definitely has a Tory results bias as shown in all work done looking at all the pollsters

^ that notoriously not-Tory supporting paper, The Guardian, seems to give credibility to his results...

1 hour ago, sosoomii said:

In July 2008, The Guardian listed Shakespeare as among the top 100 media personalities in the UK, calling him "the pollster with the uncanny ability of getting it right

Anyhow this is classic angels dancing on the head of a pin stuff, the big picture is that the Tories are holding a strong lead in the polls despite the many thousands of posts on here decrying their actions. Which indicates to me that this thread is not reflective of public opinion.  

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Just now, Waynemarlow said:
11 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

...tax haven entity..... 

:rolleyes:

Whyane you used to go mental about UK offshore tax dodgers ...are they suddenly acceptable now with so many Brexiteers attached to them....sort of like the only reason they supported Brexit???

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5 minutes ago, sosoomii said:

Which indicates to me that this thread is not reflective of public opinion.  

Ah but Twitter, Jack and the Guardian say otherwise.

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Just now, jack_sparrow said:

Whyane you used to go mental about UK offshore tax dodgers ...are they suddenly acceptable now with so many Brexiteers attached to them....sort of like the only reason they supported Brexit???

No need to be upset Jack with your musings, you gave no proof nor offer anything to substantiate your obvious bollocks.

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6 minutes ago, sosoomii said:

Which indicates to me that this thread is not reflective of public opinion.

....and where public opinion lives where ever it is they know fuck all about what Brexit entails, unlike here.

Not sure what your point is, other than not going near any Brexit detail, just waving around polling?

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7 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

unlike here.

Really this is SA and theres more crap and bollocks written here than any other forum in the world of the Internet and Twitter.

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17 minutes ago, sosoomii said:
47 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

YouGov definitely has a Tory results bias as shown in all work done looking at all the pollsters

^ that notoriously not-Tory supporting paper, The Guardian, seems to give credibility to his results..

 

12 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Ah but Twitter, Jack and the Guardian say otherwise

 

So Wayne has a serious hard on for the Guardian.

11 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:
13 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Whyane you used to go mental about UK offshore tax dodgers ...

No need to be upset Jack with your musings, you gave no proof nor offer anything to substantiate your obvious bollocks

PROOF??

On 9/11/2020 at 6:20 PM, Waynemarlow said:

One only has to see the size of its readership to understand that it only represents a very narrow sector of the U.K. daily reads. As much as it is exalted and used as reference here on these pages, it is an anti Brexit Boris ( well any Conservative Party connection ) left of centre paper that only survives by its off shore tax base together with the largess of its founders fortune. Without that hypocritical financial leg up, it would have gone bust years ago.

 

You have gone off Tax dodging unless its by the Guardian??

Sure is hard keeping up..

 

 

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43 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Zahawi still a substantial YouGov shareholder though a tax haven entity that washes it from the MP's interest register you will find. Their results are definitely Tory skewed and they are always popping up with odd ball poll results just when a distraction is needed by #10. 

And your proof of this statement is ?

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21 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Not sure what your point is, other than not going near any Brexit detail, just waving around polling

The point is that you have discussed Brexit to death.  It’s happened, move on.  Whether it is a Good Thing or a Bad Thing is irrelevant now.  The whole thing has been divisive and blown out of proportion. Like all change most people are unaffected by it, and there are some winners and some losers. I don’t feel my life has changed much at all because of brexit, but even if it eventually does why dwell on it so much? 
The 5 stages of grief have two possible outcomes.  However they voted, most people have reached Acceptance.  This thread is stuck in Anger. It’s time to move on.

 

 

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42 minutes ago, sosoomii said:

a)The point is that you have discussed Brexit to death.  

b)It’s happened

c)Whether it is a Good Thing or a Bad Thing is ........

a) Yes

b) True

c) Is what we are trying to get our heads round.

The fall out of this clusterfuck is by no means settled.  

Blowjo and his cronies are now poking the EU with a stick and we are waiting for the beast to get angry. .... then the fun & games will really start :lol:

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20 minutes ago, CARBONINIT said:

CUNT 

To 95% of men "Cunts" are useful, to you some bald headed twat is a "Cunt", what does that say about you ?

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9 minutes ago, CARBONINIT said:

Breaks my heart to see the UK like this.

Its sad . Goodbye UK goodbye.

 

Oh you will have Jack all cut up by that.

Got a song for your level of understanding of the issues around Brexit.

 

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