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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

That enough "Brexit perspective" for you?

All from a Brexit Junkie that lives on the other side of the world, whose only connection is what he reads on Brexit hating Twitter and internet threads.

Nah, anything you write can be taken as biased and unworthy of any sort of balanced view point.

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No way I'm going to PA. This was a top thread, now it's fucked. Thank you fucking idiots.

I was thinking for the last few days that  as a pro union lifelong Alliance voter I should respond to this post but turning on the radio this morning and hearing Mike Nesbitt made me decide to act.

Umm, that would be you.  1) You are fool (as is both evident and self-confessed) who thinks that brexit is a good idea.  2) You post nonsense that only reinforces this and believe that you a

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3 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Nah, anything you write can be taken as biased and unworthy of any sort of balanced view point.

Pity that post of Leo's contained cites to all I said. 

I didn't make this chart up. You could replace the Mortality X Axis and call it Vaccine Nationalism for the UK.

You look very lonely both up and to the right there.

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The communication from the UK government is hard to stomach:
AZ; while the UK benefits from an exclusive agreement (at the cost of their neighbours) and still imports half of their doses from the EU it constantly accuses the EU of incompetence and protectionism at the same time.
NIP; we all know how that is handled. Eu is endangering GFA.
TCA; all promised commitments shoved aside by the UK accusing the EU of being unfair.

This week held EU ambassador meeting did see only one country still believing soft diplomacy could solve UK EU problems. That is shocking.

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Daily Mail for once publishes something interesting. Almost unreadable, but contains good stuff. Numbers are not fixed as the UK has no transparency et all. But best guess.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9383491/Ursula-von-der-Leyen-threatens-halt-exports-vaccines-bloc-doesnt-deliveries-first.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

Contract UK with Pfizer is almost adhered. Still 14.4 M jabs to come, then it is over. More then 25 M jabs delivered.
Over 50% of vaccination now done in the UK is the US/German vaccine. Hooray for the EU and US to make a successful UK program possible.

Total Pfizer ordered are 40 M, and they are on schedule. I think it are half doses ( jabs) Means 20 M UK citizens will get 2 jabs of Pfizer. If it are 40 M 2 jabs orders, UK looks more promising. But I doubt it.
Then AZ, Moderna or J&J has to come up with the rest.
Even in the UK AZ is falling below promised deliveries now.

EU can wait and prepare for end of Pfizers doses send to the UK, so Pfizer will be happy.
Then slam export ban on AZ from the EU. With Pfizer upping the production in the EU even AZ stopping producing in the EU is not a problem.

And in the UK a myth is going around Pfizer needs a UK base material, it is a myth, there is a contract, but in Germany they produce it locally now too. They can do without UK material.

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15 hours ago, LeoV said:

The communication from the UK government is hard to stomach:
AZ; while the UK benefits from an exclusive agreement (at the cost of their neighbours) and still imports half of their doses from the EU it constantly accuses the EU of incompetence and protectionism

Accuses the EU of vaccine "protectionism" :lol::lol::lol:

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British exceptionalism with increasing nationalism is the way the UK is going.
UK best and UK first.

In short;
WAB, 3 mayor points.
- Citizen rights. Going along nicely, some mistakes but overall on both sides it is acted on. Not perfect, not bad.
- Payments to the EU, going along nicely.
- NIP, a mess. Delays, almost no talks.

TAC
EU implementing, UK delaying parts unilateral.
All commissions promised to oversee it are not active as they should have been.
A lot is still under negotiation in the coming years.
Spat on EU ambassador position.

So overall 50% normal working relationship, 50% bad, still can go both ways, worse or more normal EU/UK relations.
I predict years of worse or just bad relations until the myth of "UK best-EU bad" is stale and companying nationalism gets dented. Will take a few years to sink in that unicorns do not exist. As long as it probably took to exit.
Let's hope NI keeps it peaceful till then.
But with BJ... for instance doubling the nuclear weapon capability... why ?

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44 minutes ago, LeoV said:

I predict years of worse or just bad relations until the myth of "UK best-EU bad" is stale and companying nationalism gets dented. Will take a few years to sink in that unicorns do not exist. As long as it probably took to exit.
Let's hope NI keeps it peaceful till then.

There appears to be some unionist splinter groups forming who think the DUP aren't going hard enough which is a bit of a worry.

That said there is still time left for Unionists to come to the table. If they wait for the last vote counted in a border poll when ever that may be, they will have lesser influence on shaping the future.

On the other hand SF need to bear in mind that exploring a united Ireland is not owned by them, as without broad based community support and who have a natural tendency towards conservative thinking, their united Ireland project will be dead in the water.

Unique is there is little history to rely upon going forward and what there is isn't pretty. 

This from November 2019. Two public meetings same night, same place gives you a flavor.

Then Protestants were the majority, today its flipped, yet religion is becoming less a definition today of republican or unionist support, unlike the past.

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Sky News

"Refugees arriving in the UK will be given the right to remain permanently, under a new system the home secretary has described as "fair but firm"

Now have to wait for someone to produce a Patel "fair but firm" parody involving a prison guard.

 

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Man, till someone from the Tories stands up to smearing newspapers and other press UK is doomed.

Now The spectator jumps on the ; EU has millions of jabs in stock and it is costing lives.
Simpletons like W believe it.
Forgetting that you need millions in stock for 2d dose, as does the UK. So UK is killing people too. See previous DailyMail link.

Respectable Britain, my arse. What a fall they make.

 

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14 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Man, till someone from the Tories stands up to smearing newspapers and other press UK is doomed.

Now The spectator jumps on the ; EU has millions of jabs in stock and it is costing lives.
Simpletons like W believe it.
Forgetting that you need millions in stock for 2d dose, as does the UK. So UK is killing people too. See previous DailyMail link.

Respectable Britain, my arse. What a fall they make.

 

So what you are saying is the 17 million unused AZ doses you have in stock in the EU are to cover the possibility that you will have no further supplies for the next 3 months. Even at 80% effectiveness from preventing severe illness after 21 days from innoculation with a single jab, whereas Covid takes no prisoners in the over 65's from day one, I think and a large number of non politically biased experts ( unlike yourself ) would agree, its a no brainer to get those 17 million in the arms of 17 million people and worry about the booster later if you have to and prevent 80% of severe illness of those using the AZ, now.

Certainly the way the EU is antagonising all the vaccine makers by threatening export bans and worst of all Ursela with her Article 122 lecture

Von der Leyen said the bloc could even activate Article 122 of the EU’s treaty, which allows it to take emergency measures to control the distribution of essential goods if “severe difficulties arise” in securing supplies.

https://www.ft.com/content/3f2380d1-d4e1-45f2-9c3d-eea486697dd6

Threatening to commandeer factories and business's involved with vaccine supplies, will make any multi national step back and really ask if they want to get involved within the EU in the future. The EU is really really making a hash of the vaccines and what they are doing can only make it worse.

Merkyll is taking a kicking for it, Macron is showing himself to be a fool and showing an easy path to victory for Le Pen, Sturgeon is a liar, you know all those heros of yours are not looking so good right now and your only view point is,

32 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Simpletons like W believe it.

Who is the real fool, putting ideologies ahead of lives or putting lives ahead of ideologies ?

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W, you live in a really strange fantasy land, lucky for the UK Vallance is not as stupid as you. Big reserve in the UK since day one.
And 17 million in reserve on 450 million citizens is normal. It includes in transport (millions) and reserve for second dose.
And trouble alone with AZ, and EU is not alone in that. Blind fool. With Moderna and Pfizer no problems. It is the shady UK with Oxford AZ that is the problem with under delevering, not Pfizer or Modern. Blind idiot.
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Oh, BJ was trying to talk our PM Rutte into allowing Dutch Halix to export to the UK.
Answer was; sort it out with the EU :) The old UK trick is not working.

https://www.ft.com/content/254fc733-1568-4ea7-9fdf-069285c7f9c1
Boris Johnson, British prime minister, will this week urge EU leaders to pull back from a full scale “vaccine war” as London lays claim to millions of doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 jab produced at a Dutch factory. The EU has rejected London’s move for supplies from the Netherlands and is preparing to decide at a summit beginning on Thursday whether to press ahead with a threat to stop exports of the AstraZeneca vaccine to the UK.

A main focus of the EU-UK dispute is a stockpile of unknown size of the AstraZeneca vaccine’s active ingredient produced in the Netherlands by Halix, a subcontractor, both UK and European officials say.

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BJ knows whenever the Pfizer supply stops according to contract he only has AZ. Who under delivered the EU with 400 million of jabs and the UK in the millions now.

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What a bulshit article and analysis. The core argument seems to be that “comparatively small number of doses” which suggests EU give all their vaccines to UK as its “comparatively smaller”. English exceptionalism at its finest.

Even W must admit that  a week earlier jabbing of vulnerable persons is worth a vaccine ban. UK can wait 2 months.
He just argued for that with his 17 m jabs in reserve.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/21/eu-export-ban-would-delay-uk-covid-vaccine-drive-by-two-months

And does the researcher know about the stockpiles by the manufacturer here ?

 

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4 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Threatening to commandeer factories and business's involved with vaccine supplies, will make any multi national step back and really ask if they want to get involved within the EU in the future.

Really Whyane.

First that is a threat NOT an action.

Secondly those are emergency powers in response to a health emergency. The UK instigated those EXACT same powers a YEAR ago, so it didn't need to be accountable to anyone. That is how this happened.

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What does that in your words; "make multi national step back and really ask if they want to get involved within the EU in the future", but with the UK become?? Crooks Whyane is the answer.

Thirdly, remember this reply to your claim of "anything you write can be taken as biased and unworthy of any sort of balanced view point."

On 3/21/2021 at 3:18 AM, jack_sparrow said:
On 3/20/2021 at 11:32 PM, Waynemarlow said:

Nah, anything you write can be taken as biased and unworthy of any sort of balanced view point.

Pity that post of Leo's contained cites to all I said. 

Rreading those cites of Leo's you would have found this.

Those emergency powers were in fact used by the UK to as you say; "underpin commandeer factories and business's involved with vaccine supplies"

UK COMMANDEER VACCINE DEVELOPER FOR UK USE ONLY

Oxford the vaccine developer are from the UK. Oxford was originally going to partner with US company Merck. But the UK Govt overruled it and made them partner with UK-based AstraZeneca.

And the EU/Germany in the same position did what Whyane? Try this on for size you ignorant prick.

BioNTech vaccine developer are German. The EU or the German Government did not put up any barriers to who they partnered with. They chose the huge US manufacturer Pfizer.

In light of the BLANKET export bans placed by both the US and the UK that decision now haunts the EU.

Little wonder the TALK only of emergency powers when the UK from since the very beginning have manoeuvred to benefit themselves in a global health emergency. 

Wyhane your ignorance of facts is only surpassed by your hat size.

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^^^^^^^^^^

4 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

the UK from since the very beginning have manoeuvred to benefit themselves in a global health emergency. 

So Whyane take these words of yours and go choke on them.

4 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:
4 hours ago, LeoV said:

Simpletons like W believe it.

Who is the real fool, putting ideologies ahead of lives or putting lives ahead of ideologies ?

 

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40 minutes ago, LeoV said:

What a bulshit article and analysis. The core argument seems to be that “comparatively small number of doses” which suggests EU give all their vaccines to UK as its “comparatively smaller”. English exceptionalism at its finest.

Even W must admit that  a week earlier jabbing of vulnerable persons is worth a vaccine ban. UK can wait 2 months.
He just argued for that with his 17 m jabs in reserve.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/21/eu-export-ban-would-delay-uk-covid-vaccine-drive-by-two-months

And does the researcher know about the stockpiles by the manufacturer here ?

 

That so funny, little LeoV has just chucked his major resource of anti Brexit propaganda under the bus. Every time he cites it in the future we can all go “ what a bullshit article and analysis “ .
 

Mind you has he just finally woken up to the Guardian’s reputation or lack of it should we say. I guess no mention of their recent foible of the “furlough” expossee only to be outed by every other paper as doing the very same, I guess if you are a loss making newsrag and the government offers to pay your wages, well.

No mention also of Moderna, Novavax , Jannsen  and Valneva vaccines all with U.K. orders in and with either U.K. approval or impending with Novavax the only one with good results with the Kent variant.

No mention either of the mushrooming numbers in the EU of the South African variant which renders the current efficacies meaningless to the point that the U.K. government is beginning to put out vibes that the great British getaway to all those holiday idols may be off limits this year.

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14 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

^^^^^^^^^^

So Whyane take these words of yours and go choke on them.

 

That’s even funnier, Junkie Jack citing something he himself wrote 17 minutes ago to back up his own statement.

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4 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Certainly the way the EU is antagonising all the vaccine makers by threatening export bans and worst of all Ursela with her Article 122 lecture

 

But the UK's ACTUAL export ban in place since DAY 1 is OK is it. 

On 3/20/2021 at 8:49 PM, jack_sparrow said:

So much to be proud of there Whyane as a British citizen, matched against the EU, where they have exported half the vaccine they have produced incl to the UK and US...

Try reading instead of shitposting posts or do you prefer being l ignorant so you can shitpost on an industrial scale Whyane?

On 3/20/2021 at 7:51 PM, Waynemarlow said:

I thought this was a Brexit thread and not a personal U.K. wide attack by the SA’s self appointed COVID Zsar Junkie Jack.

 

On 3/20/2021 at 11:32 PM, Waynemarlow said:

All from a Brexit Junkie that lives on the other side of the world, whose only connection is what he reads on Brexit hating Twitter and internet threads.

Nah, anything you write can be taken as biased and unworthy of any sort of balanced view point.

 

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34 minutes ago, LeoV said:

What a bulshit article and analysis. The core argument seems to be that “comparatively small number of doses” which suggests EU give all their vaccines to UK as its “comparatively smaller”. English exceptionalism at its finest.

Even W must admit that  a week earlier jabbing of vulnerable persons is worth a vaccine ban. UK can wait 2 months.
He just argued for that with his 17 m jabs in reserve.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/21/eu-export-ban-would-delay-uk-covid-vaccine-drive-by-two-months

And does the researcher know about the stockpiles by the manufacturer here ?

 

Don't tell the Daily Snail about the figures in that article .... "The UK is waiting on around 30m more Pfizer doses"

when they have already had 25 million of a 40 million order?

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54 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

So Whyane take these words of yours and go choke on them.

5 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:
5 hours ago, LeoV said:

Simpletons like W believe it.

Who is the real fool, putting ideologies ahead of lives or putting lives ahead of ideologies ?

 

37 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

That’s even funnier, Junkie Jack citing something he himself wrote 17 minutes ago to back up his own statement.

So I hacked your account and wrote that statement 5 hours ago.

Why do you participate here?

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Due to the openness of the UK, noone knows the real numbers.

It is not a problem that an idiot as W believes the unused vaccines in storage, it are the journalists of newspapers that spread disinformation. They know it is not true. While we are talking about people dying. 90% of UK media is nothing more then sleaze press.

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47 minutes ago, cms said:

Don't tell the Daily Snail about the figures in that article .... "The UK is waiting on around 30m more Pfizer doses"

when they have already had 25 million of a 40 million order?

On order from the EU because the US have an export ban like the UK.

So you go and piss off the largest or the second largest Pfizer manufacturing bloc in the world and ONLY alternative.

Piss off mega time from breaking international law a second time in 4 months over the WA/NIP AND in effect steal vaccines from them, even though their vaccine order pre-dated yours using your UK based manufacturer and funding the UK vaccine developer as leverage.

You already have lost a month in rollout with April jabs having to be curtailed. Yet you keep going pissing them off further by feeding the domestic and largely sleaze press with bullshit.

38 minutes ago, LeoV said:

They know it is not true. While we are talking about people dying. 90% of UK media is nothing more then sleaze press.

The Johnson Govt are fucking insane.

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1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said:

That’s even funnier, Junkie Jack citing something he himself wrote 17 minutes ago to back up his own statement.

It is all about the post count.

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Row over AZ is hotting up again.

In short;
AstraZeneca has found itself in the somewhat problematic position of telling the EU they can’t have the vaccines it makes in Britain, but that AZ jabs made in the EU should be sent to the U.K.

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/politico-london-playbook-a-terrible-path-incroyable-sturgeons-week-from-hell/

The spin on the UK side is going full throttle. Lies, insinuations and a You Gov poll all there.
One lie is obvious to me;
“There are no outstanding requests for U.K. exports from Astra’s production facility in the Netherlands.” So at the moment, this is all speculative: Britain hasn’t yet asked for the jabs from Halix, and the EU hasn’t yet blocked them.

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There were actual orders going to the UK in December and early January. Since January there have been UK requests and they got blocked under Dutch law as under Dutch law a not certificated medical production site can not get an export license to a 3rd country.
AZ did certificate Halix in the UK, but did not send the same request to the EU, bastards. It are the same papers.
And last week another request was done to get Halix material to the UK.

Bet the UK press will say EU bureaucrats are blocking, while they should say Dutch. But their understanding of the EU has always lacked some insights when needed.

But according the UK they did not ask for Halix material and do not need them anyway, so why the fuss ?

It is funny to see the UK trying to keep the EU to a contract between UK and AZ. They have no obligations to the UK/AZ contract and the other way around. While half of the UK is vaccinated by Pfizer products. The world is watching as an UK official said, but a look in their cupboards will see some EU vaccination material, and not UK produced ones.

Big mistake of the EU to trust on free trade (AZ manufacturing) and UK behaving cooperatively. Though it works with Moderna and Pfizer in cooperation with the US. So can not say this approach it is a failure. Just never trust the UK.
There is now a better relation with the US then with the UK on sharing medical resources. But Trump tried to buy German BionTech and confiscate the vaccine for the US.

It stays 10 million EU jabs to UK to 0 UK jabs to EU. 10-0

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A few posts ago I made a very little oversight about what works between EU and UK in trade and political relations.
Interesting to see Menon did the same.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/22/brexit-deal-no-deal-trade-and-cooperation-agreement

I came to conclusion of stand off or worse relations, Menon goes further;
Even no deal might make more sense than this unstable Brexit agreement.

Interesting.

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Do you not think with Covid that all those, what was it 2018 forecasts, may just now be totally "out of date "

LeoV you should be more worried about how much money is pouring out of the EU, what was it 20% of annualised GDP in the last quarter as the money markets are expecting a long and slow recovery within the EU from Covid, where as the US China and others are already beginning to show signs of growth.

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

There is now a better relation with the US then with the UK on sharing medical resources. But Trump tried to buy German BionTech and confiscate the vaccine for the US.

Leo it wasn't BioNTech but CureVac another German.

March 15 2020 ' Germany confirms that Trump tried to buy firm working on coronavirus vaccine'

In the end same outcome with BionNTech unimpeded partnering with US Pfizer and then Trump imposing a export ban, got generally the same result.

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5 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Do you not think with Covid that all those, what was it 2018 forecasts, may just now be totally "out of date "

Fuck me.

1 hour ago, LeoV said:

..this was Pre Covid and in an expectation of friendly relations.

 

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10 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

..and slow recovery within the EU from Covid, where as the US China and others are already beginning to show signs of growth.

You have left out the UK...or isn't it on the same page with the grown ups??

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Junkie Jack you know as well as I do that growth is expected in the UK with even the Bank of England forecasting a rebound.

But I personally are not so sure as I think the Covid crisis across the channel and the likelyhood of another lock down in the UK when either the Brazilian or the now worrying levels of the SA variant in parts of the EU become endemic, crosses back into the UK from all the idiots who feel that a holiday in Europe is just what they need, may well kill off any bounce.

But then for someone who hasn't had a pay check for 12 months, anything like a bounce will do.   :D

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

"Boris Johnson is this morning arranging phone calls with EU leaders including Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron to lobby them not to block exports of the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine to Britain."

He still doesn't get it that divide and conquer doesn't work. 

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10 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Junkie Jack you know as well as I do that growth is expected in the UK with even the Bank of England forecasting a rebound.

I do know you refuse quote UK economic forecasts beside EU forecasts. You never go there.

So more blah blah blah

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11 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

..Brazilian or the now worrying levels of the SA variant in parts of the EU become endemic, crosses back into the UK from all the idiots who feel that a holiday in Europe is just what they need, may well kill off any bounce.

Maybe they may feel safer there than staying at home??

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Seems very cut and dried. How does Johnson lobby Macron and Merkel suggesting this is unfair when not a vial leaves the UK and jab per capita, the UK miles ahead of Europe as a whole?

Its a manufacturer contractual safeguard and doesn't necessarily shut the UK out unless there is a breach and is happening because of a breach.

He is nuts.

From RTE's Tony Connelly

"European Commission spokes: this is not about banning exports of vaccines, this is about making sure companies deliver according to their contracts. "It is about making sure we are in a position to receive the vaccines that are foreseen for Europe"

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44 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

But then for someone who hasn't had a pay check for 12 months, anything like a bounce will do.   :D

Ever think you are suffering Stockholm Syndrome and you are not alone??

Blink twice.

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On 3/21/2021 at 11:04 AM, jack_sparrow said:

There appears to be some unionist splinter groups forming who think the DUP aren't going hard enough which is a bit of a worry.

That said there is still time left for Unionists to come to the table. If they wait for the last vote counted in a border poll when ever that may be, they will have lesser influence on shaping the future.

On the other hand SF need to bear in mind that exploring a united Ireland is not owned by them, as without broad based community support and who have a natural tendency towards conservative thinking, their united Ireland project will be dead in the water.

Unique is there is little history to rely upon going forward and what there is isn't pretty. 

This from November 2019. Two public meetings same night, same place gives you a flavor.

Then Protestants were the majority, today its flipped, yet religion is becoming less a definition today of republican or unionist support, unlike the past.

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this is worrying for us here in Ireland :-/

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W only reacts to the unimportant stuff.

I have a Picasso painting to sell, sold it to more people in different jurisdictions.
I do not even have a complete Picasso, will deliver only parts of it.
Parts are in the UK, and parts in the EU.
Who has the rights on it ?

Pfizer roll out in the EU, good but contracts says availability should increase soon.
AZ roll out in the EU, very bad. spotty delivery, late cancels, etc.
Moderna, good but in very small quantities.
UK press; EU vaccine roll out is a mess.

UK roll out of Pfizer, good but contract end soon.
UK roll out of AZ, good.

If Germany,Belgium and Netherlands had done the same with Pfizer as UK/AZ did the UK would only had AZ, and not in the numbers as they have now. So at least 60% less jabs.
 

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Leo it wasn't BioNTech but CureVac another German.

You are right. Got mixed up with Vice President Pence claiming Pfizer was US Warpspeed funded. Which was a lie. Pfizer rejected funding from Warpspeed.

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3 minutes ago, LeoV said:


If Germany,Belgium and Netherlands had done the same with Pfizer as UK/AZ did the UK would only had AZ, and not in the numbers as they have now. So at least 60% less jabs.
 

If Germany had gone alone and set up a contract with an American company to supply vaccine as the U.K. did, they wouldn’t be in the shit they are in now having thrown in their lot with the EU. As Cummings said in his recent grilling that that route was always going to be slow and inevitably fail as it has. 

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EU commission can say it is not about banning of exports.
Of course it is banning of exports, in a specific and limited way. AZ from the EU not going to the UK.

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3 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

inevitably fail as it has. 

See you in Autumn. Yes Germany alone could have been better of, so could be the English in the UK if the English did not work with their union parties.

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So what you are saying LeoV is for all your highlighting the death toll in the U.K. from COVID and how wonderful the Netherlands was, now that the U.K. has sort of control by using a vaccine which sits on fridge shelves in the EU because it was slow in getting approval and it’s effectiveness largely trashed by both Merkyll and Macron, that the U.K. should stop using it and send it to the EU where it will sit on the fridge shelf ?

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8 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

 it’s effectiveness largely trashed by both Merkyll and Macron

Merkyll = Angela Merkel? The same that just said she is ready to be vaccinated by AZ's vaccine?

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Your brain sits on a fridge shelf obviously. That fridge cell story is a lie, maybe in some parts of the EU it happened for a little while. But in general it is utter bullocks. I can show you the Dutch numbers, and you tell me how much are in the UK fridges for 2d jabs.

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And you were the one laughing about the deaths over here. And fact is that even with a 10 month delay in AZ vaccination Dutch death numbers will be lower then in the UK.

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

And you were the one laughing about the deaths over here

Really think you may have me mixed up with Junkie Jack, never thought of dying of Covid as a laughing matter as I would expect the vast majority of people.

A question, as you guys have administered so few AZ, why are you creating so much noise about it, surely you should have just got on with administering the moderna and AZ which according to your graphs, had in stock ?

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1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said:

If Germany had gone alone and set up a contract with an American company to supply vaccine as the U.K. did, they wouldn’t be in the shit they are in now having thrown in their lot with the EU. As Cummings said in his recent grilling that that route was always going to be slow and inevitably fail as it has. 

Of course germany could have gone the same nationalistic way as UK US did. We just don't want to be seen as nationalistic assholes anymore. To ensure that smaller EU members and others get vaccine is important for most germans today. Still, it makes no sense to send vaccines to countries that produce themself, and are nationalistic assholes. 

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1 hour ago, Upp3 said:

Merkyll = Angela Merkel? The same that just said she is ready to be vaccinated by AZ's vaccine?

Macron has also now put his scrawny little arm out despite being only 54 when the call was for over 60's and having said it had no use for the over 65's. Oh how a month of negative headlines and in Merkyll's case a right hiding for her party in local elections, can change a politicians mind.

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1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said:
2 hours ago, LeoV said:

And you were the one laughing about the deaths over here

Really think you may have me mixed up with Junkie Jack, never thought of dying of Covid as a laughing matter as I would expect the vast majority of people.

I remember your post and Leo's reaction....more importantly so do you.

You were a cunt....now you are an unapologetic cunt.

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4 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

If Germany had gone alone and set up a contract with an American company to supply vaccine as the U.K. did, they wouldn’t be in the shit they are in now having thrown in their lot with the EU. As Cummings said in his recent grilling that that route was always going to be slow and inevitably fail as it has. 

Whyane your vaccine nationalism is so ingrained, you haven't in all your vaccine posts, despite being told, given any thought to the vaccine the EU has produced and the quantity it has exported is exporting around the world.

The UK??

He is a real life local example, my own of the UK's home grown AZ and global thinking, noting the need here is only remotely acute, so not complaining about that, only the UK's thinking.

This is AZ, my 89 yo mother not in Govt funded nursing home so phase 1B. Phase 1A which is nursing home and frontline health workers got/getting mainly Pfizer from EU.

I booked her today under 1B which starts today, a capital city GP practise with the elderly wall to wall all around it, so have supply priority.

- Can only start mid next month.

- One jab day, fortnightly only on a Saturday.

- 100 doses limit per fortnight for 12 weeks until supply increases.

Whyane there are plenty around the world having similiar experiences, watching the UK today and all its vaccine bitching.

They are still thinking on one hand sorry for your mortality, but now the other you are a country of selfish arseholes.

Johnson doesn't get that.

The world won't forget it.

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Be thankful the world has AZ at cost and produced in double quick time by the early development at Oxford Uni which had all the previous knowledge of other Covids + the where with all of the Brit government to team up with AZ with their production nous. You could all be paying Pfizer rates which for 90 % of the worlds population, puts it in the never league.

By all means quibble and moan if you want and I hope you make a moral stand of your hatred of anything Boris succeeds in and don't put your scrawny puce ridden arm out when it comes to your turn or we can all stand back and admire your hyocritical change of mind of then thanking the UK government.

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40 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

.....your hatred of anything Boris succeeds in and don't put your scrawny puce ridden arm out when it comes to your turn or we can all stand back and admire your hyocritical change of mind of then thanking the UK government.

Whose we Whyane?

You don't get it still so you are not playing dumb.

54 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

This is AZ, my 89 yo mother.. Phase 1B.....Phase 1A which is nursing home and frontline health workers got/getting mainly Pfizer from EU...

And this.

40 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Be thankful the world has AZ at cost and produced in double quick time by the early development at Oxford Uni...

Bullshit.

Oxford is not the UK Govt, a Govt thinking their work so important promised them ONLY £20m then delayed paying it so they could leverage who they partnered with.

In fact there is an argument the UK Govt forced them to abandon this original plan last April of promising to DONATE the rights to its then promising only coronavirus vaccine to any drugmaker. They then attempted to sell the rights to a US pharma and Govt stopped that forcing upon them the UK's AstraZenaca.

The same Govt who is opposing change to WTO Pharma IP rules to accelerate roll out in poorer countries 

Whyane you are such a prick you even rewrite history to suit yourself.

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AZ now claiming no vaccine has gone from EU to UK, other than one very small delivery from the Dutch plant ...

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From the BBC.

UK 'does not receive any AstraZeneca vaccines from EU'

Rachel Schraer

BBC Health Reporter

During a briefing, executive vice president at AstraZeneca, Ruud Dobber, said the UK did not receive any of its AstraZeneca vaccines or components from the EU.

Fellow executive vice president Mene Pangalos then clarified that one "tiny" batch which "hasn't been approved yet" had been sent to the UK from Halix, a plant in the Netherlands that has an agreement with AstraZeneca to manufacture the vaccine.

Imported batches of vaccine have to be tested on arrival.

Halix was one of the University of Oxford's original partners for manufacturing the vaccine, Reuters reported.

The UK is mostly self-sufficient when it comes to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine - and has ordered 100 million doses of the jab.

The EU is mainly being supplied with the AZ vaccine by the US and by a site in Belgium, the company confirmed.

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15 minutes ago, cms said:

From the BBC.

UK 'does not receive any AstraZeneca vaccines from EU'

The BBC and all in the UK conveniently now forget this about Oxford and AZ.

26 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

In fact there is an argument the UK Govt forced them to abandon this original plan last April of promising to DONATE the rights to its then promising only coronavirus vaccine to any drugmaker. They then attempted to sell the rights to a US pharma and Govt stopped that forcing upon them the UK's AstraZenaca.

 

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W is despicable, but he trains me to talk to Nexit types, works very  well.

So funny almost nobody in the UK talks about the German vaccine responsible for half the jabs so far. All blowing horns on the Oxford bandwagon.

There will be most likely an Halix only export stop, but do not call it a ban :) And only on AZ to UK, not to ROW. Unless UK shares more.
https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-ready-to-block-astrazeneca-if-uk-deal-fails/?

We like to have more AZ because the Brexit variant is now putting more people in hospital. Over 50 should be jabbed as soon as possible. We are now at 65 years and older.

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46 minutes ago, LeoV said:

There will be most likely an Halix only export stop, but do not call it a ban :) And only on AZ to UK, not to ROW. Unless UK shares more.
https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-ready-to-block-astrazeneca-if-uk-deal-fails/?

Good news for the UK, at some stage in the not too distant future the excess production we have in the plants that are or are about to come on line, can be diverted to more needy countries thoughout the world at cost ( yes Junkie Jack thats why the Brit government insisted on a British Co manufacturing the OXford vaccine, the American Co was a for profits tie up ), without having to worry about the EU, it seems you can look after yourselves no problem.

https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/uk-factories-making-astrazeneca-vaccine-19708380

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At that rate the J&J one shot cheap vaccine looks like a better bet for non EU,US, India, Russia and China.. As AZ and J&J  are using a lot of the same base materials and AZ running into supply chain problems. The UK can not make all the components in the UK for the time being (long time being). Same for US and EU.
BTW, that J&J is a Dutch Belgium vaccine.

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https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-what-is-happening-with-britains-vaccine-supply

The Department of Health does not divide its vaccination figures into separate brands, so it’s not possible to tell at first glance how much Pfizer and how much AstraZeneca vaccine is being used.

AstraZeneca has not responded to FactCheck’s requests for information on weekly vaccine supply, and a UK government source told us it would not provide us with the figures “as they are commercially sensitive”.

 

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2 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Good news for the UK, at some stage in the not too distant future the excess production we have in the plants that are or are about to come on line, can be diverted to more needy countries thoughout the world at cost...

https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/uk-factories-making-astrazeneca-vaccine-19708380

So when the UK is out of the woods excess can be exported as Boris will lift the export ban. How generous of you Whyane.

When will that be in 6  months time?

Don't worry about this lot in PNG they will all be dead by then.

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2 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

( yes Junkie Jack thats why the Brit government insisted on a British Co manufacturing the OXford vaccine, the American Co was a for profits tie up ),

So you still think after being told otherwise that Oxford and AZ is a non-profit tie up.

You deluded fool. This AZ's press release.

AstraZeneca and Oxford University announce landmark agreement for COVID-19 vaccine

Where does it say that? Why would they miss something like that if it exists? UK's vaccine rollout Minister is quoted, but he doesn't say that.

It does say this though.

"our partnership ........will ensure that the British people and people across the world, especially in low and middle income countries, will be protected from this terrible virus as quickly as possible.”

You are getting mixed with this third world country mentioned in this June AZ press release.

AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit

Starting in December too it says.

And in that link YOU posted it says this.

The unassuming warehouse on Wrexham's industrial estate could provide "salvation for humanity", according to Prime Minister Boris Johnson when he visited the site back in November.

He didn't say anything about a UK export ban or UK opposing amendments to WTO Pharma IP rules to assist rollout to poorer nations.

Where his definition of "humanity" is sitting in line AFTER citizens or recognised residents of the UK and "salvation" ONLY applies until UK humanity is all OK, providing you are still alive. Then you are welcome to import our UK AZ vaccine at what ever the AZ charge you for it.

Fucking fraud.

I could write a half a dozen words about you now but I will refrain.

PS. Australia manufacturers its own AZ you fool.

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-what-is-happening-with-britains-vaccine-supply

The Department of Health does not divide its vaccination figures into separate brands, so it’s not possible to tell at first glance how much Pfizer and how much AstraZeneca vaccine is being used.

AstraZeneca has not responded to FactCheck’s requests for information on weekly vaccine supply, and a UK government source told us it would not provide us with the figures “as they are commercially sensitive”.

Leo I haven't got it at my fingertips but a AZ spokesperson said the other day 17m UK jabs of AZ to date.

The easiest way to get sensitive info out of a UK corporation is put them in front of a Westminister Special Committee.

Now we all know that will never happen.

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Euh, government here publishes delivered AZ, UK can do the same. It is the UK government hiding India's supply out of nowhere to the UK and EU, AZ produced in EU going to UK and UK manufactured AZ. it is all a smoke screen.
And % of Pfizer please.

AZ is a small scale success in the UK, but not in the rest of the world. Pfizer much better. Moderna good in the US with Pfizer. UK acts as if AZ is a worldwide success :) Dream on.

UK ordered vaccines is known, now the deliveries...but that is sensitive information...
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43 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

So when the UK is out of the woods excess can be exported as Boris will lift the export ban. H

Seems it only you who seems to think there's a ban on UK vaccine exports as even the EU's own seems to think not.

Mr Johnson said he wanted to "correct the suggestion from the European Council president that the UK has blocked vaccine exports", adding: "Let me be clear: we have not blocked the export of a single Covid-19 vaccine or vaccine components."

Mr Johnson said he was against "vaccine nationalism in all its forms" and called on all countries to "work together to tackle this pand

 

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But the European Commission's chief spokesman said he was aware of no restrictive measures concerning vaccines leaving the UK.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56347716

 

Seems the EU is not to hot on contributing to Covax apart from Germany.

Infographic: The Governments Donating The Most Money To COVAX | Statista

 

 

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Agh the Salmon Retailer and ex Tory then BP MEP then Tory again and member of the ERG offshoot the ECR.. forgotten about him. 

He would have been perfect for my Nicola versus Alex Salmond UK salmon exports to EU crash 98% post.

I thought OK he tweeted it in 2016 wasn't alone, but then I saw the Dec 25 2020 date. So his SM no EU regs bullets were complete lies.

I wish you hadn't posted that, his twitter account is a gold mine.

 

The Independent Advisor was an appointment pre Nicola by her accuser Alex Salmond.

And it looks like Khan will have London mayoralty in the bag after just one round of voting.

This guy really loves backing winners.

 

 

And this I will let Cold War Steve do the talking.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Agh the Salmon Retailer and ex Tory then BP MEP then Tory again and member of the ERG offshoot the ECR.. forgotten about him. 

He would have been perfect for my Nicola versus Alex Salmond UK salmon exports to EU crash 98% post.

I thought OK he tweeted it in 2016 wasn't alone, but then I saw the Dec 25 2020 date. So his SM no EU regs bullets were complete lies.

I wish you hadn't posted that, his twitter account is a gold mine.

 

The Independent Advisor was an appointment pre Nicola by her accuser Alex Salmond.

And it looks like Khan will have London mayoralty in the bag after just one round of voting.

This guy really loves backing winners.

 

 

And this I will let Cold War Steve do the talking.

 

 

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He’s the Twitter version of Wayne and yes, it’s a rich goldmine of hilarity. 
He’s been getting some great abuse the last few months. 
 

Let me know how Wayne gets on defending him?:lol:

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45 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Seems it only you who seems to think there's a ban on UK vaccine exports as even the EU's own seems to think not.

Seems you and Boris are the only ones bullshitting and are using the word "ban" out of context regarding 'actual exports' incl any EU comment that you twist.

A "ban" occurs if there is a "blanket restriction" (UK hasn't one) or "after assessment restriction" regulation (which it does) where a exporter makes an application where it is assessed against existing regulations, noting the EU has no such regulations and EU states only apply their own regulatory responses to ALL exports, incl pharma every day.

Don't believe me.

U.K. in 2020 put export restrictions on around 100 medicines that could be used to treat COVID-19 on top of scores of related drugs. 

And Boris's position on those restrictions in January.

UK won’t lift coronavirus medicine export restrictions

So Johnson is lying yet again using weasel words about ban and actual exports and of what, when it comes to ingredients.

45 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Mr Johnson said he wanted to "correct the suggestion from the European Council president that the UK has blocked vaccine exports", adding: "Let me be clear: we have not blocked the export of a single Covid-19 vaccine or vaccine components."

Mr Johnson said he was against "vaccine nationalism in all its forms" and called on all countries to "work together to tackle this pand

Whyane you are well beyond the tiresome stage.

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25 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:
1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

PS. Australia manufacturers its own AZ you fool.

PS didn't Italy block a shipment recently ?

Yes I posted that upthread and it was for only 200k jabs of Pfizer I think (it not AZ used in phase 1A) and Aust PM cool as 300 people were dieing every day in Italy and Aust zip

Your point Whyane???? ...

.....as always Whyane is a deflection away from your own posting fuckups.

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