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No poor little W, that is not how the world works.

EU is for vaccines as depended on international trade as much as UK is.

That art 122 is Sun Bullshit.
This is when it came up. She answered a loaded question asking if she would do it, by not ruling anything out.

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One thing is for sure, to supply the EU you do not invest in the UK. Unless you already have investments in the UK.
Fans of Brexit; Trump, Putin, Xi, Erdogan.

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No way I'm going to PA. This was a top thread, now it's fucked. Thank you fucking idiots.

I was thinking for the last few days that  as a pro union lifelong Alliance voter I should respond to this post but turning on the radio this morning and hearing Mike Nesbitt made me decide to act.

Umm, that would be you.  1) You are fool (as is both evident and self-confessed) who thinks that brexit is a good idea.  2) You post nonsense that only reinforces this and believe that you a

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LeoV, I'm not sure whinging on about AZ is really doing you any good, just accept that it is a world wide vaccine and is good for the entire planet. If you guys don't get started to get all those vials into peoples arms, the more chance of a new variant. Mind you, you guys need to get on with genome testing of positive samples to find these new variants.

If you are not prepared to use them, then get them to Papua New Guinea where Jack will personally fly them in, distribute them, vaccinate everyone, all in a day.

Did you know Gibraltor has become the first country in the world to fully vaccinate its entire adult population from Covid, I wonder where they got their supplies from as you guys seem to think Boris won't export vaccines :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said:

Hey just to give an update on deliveries which Junkie Jack seems to think would grind to a halt. Ordered our usual bits and pieces from our German supplier who just grumbled that he's had to put up the price by 20% due to the VAT content, fair enough and he quoted 14 days delivery. Went to our new Chinese supplier who we are pretty sure now is the same product as the German labelled stuff and guess what, the price is down and even cheaper than before. Ordered it and 8 days later its on my desk.

How that is possible? Shouldn't the Chinese supplier too have added the 20% due to VAT?

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4 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

....we are pretty sure now is the same product as the German labelled stuff and guess what, the price is down and even cheaper than before. Ordered it and 8 days later its on my desk.

Now container loads are in chaos....

So Whyan you are pretty sure but not sure about product origin, a product that fits on your desk and arrived in a packet and you use that to assess the current status of the EU and global supply chains.

OK...giggle.

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2 hours ago, Upp3 said:

How that is possible? Shouldn't the Chinese supplier too have added the 20% due to VAT?

Just using a conspiracy theory of Junkie Jacks, it must be direct orders from Boris not to charge taxes on imports from China :D

Correct, but I think not all are putting on the correct taxes at the moment, even with the 20% it will work out cheaper as the EU suppliers are now correctly adding VAT. I guess get used to it as every government in the world will be looking at ways to get funds in to pay for our burgening bar bill.

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3 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Did you know Gibraltor has become the first country in the world to fully vaccinate its entire adult population from Covid, I wonder where they got their supplies from as you guys seem to think Boris won't export vaccines :rolleyes:

Gibralter has a pop of 35K and is a British Overseas Territory.

Which of the 13 other BOT's have got their vaccine from elsewhere or have none?

Where did the UK's precious Hong Kong get its vaccine from?

Where did the UK's precious Commonwealth countries get their vaccine from?

You are a truth twisting fraud just like Johnson.

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3 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

So Whyan you are pretty sure but not sure about product origin, a product that fits on your desk and arrived in a packet and you use that to assess the current status of the EU and global supply chains.

OK...giggle.

Giggle, how do you get all that from saying what every shipping company in the world knows, containers are in the wrong places due to Covid and in short supply. A friend was just quoted to fill a container and bring in Chinese lathes and sheet metal press's ( actually the quality is really good ) 16K where as he was paying a quarter of that, ouch.

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56 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

it will work out cheaper as the EU suppliers are now correctly adding VAT.

Those that bother to become VAT registered and are still exporting to the UK.

56 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

it must be direct orders from Boris not to charge taxes on imports from China :D

You can reclaim the VAT incurred on the imported goods you own as business input tax providing you can show it was included in the price and paid by a VAT registered exporter to the UK.

56 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

even with the 20% it will work out cheaper

You say China is cheaper.

Go buy something bigger than what fits in an envelope and arrived in the post from China and come back with a global freighted goods pricing comparison VAT incl.

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On 3/23/2021 at 12:24 AM, Waynemarlow said:

Macron has also now put his scrawny little arm out despite being only 54..

Macron over 50 plus over 65 yo wife so could have gone earlier on caregiver provision. 

Johnson is also 50 plus but has shoes older than his wife.

Johnson has jumped the comparative International vaccine que. 

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On 3/22/2021 at 2:51 AM, Waynemarlow said:

...Sturgeon is a liar, you know all those heros of yours are not looking so good right now and your only view point is..

^^^^ That aged well

Note this Independent Advisor was an appointment pre Nicola by her accuser Alex Salmond.

23 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

"I am of the opinion that the First Minister did not breach the provisions of the Ministerial Code in respect of any of these matters."

 

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On 3/22/2021 at 10:44 PM, Waynemarlow said:

....a vaccine which sits on fridge shelves in the EU ....

.....send it to the EU where it will sit on the fridge shelf

 

On 3/18/2021 at 7:02 AM, Waynemarlow said:

....stick them in a fridge along with all the other millions of shots that haven't yet been used ?

Google who uses that term Whyane uses, "vaccine which sits in a fridge" and EU in media interviews all the time bashing the EU's vaccine rollout this last week.

Calls her mother or auntie??

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Junkie Jack's having a moment, 6 posts all attempting to repudiate anything that I say, bet that took him yet another hour out of his miserable solitary life of his internet world.

Starting to think the guy over on the Covid forum who seemed to think he met you in a bar and called you a bit of a loner. Seemed you just sat alone in the bar not wanting any human company. Ferk me you not only screw every thread here on SA, but you are also a table blocker in the pub.

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43 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Junkie Jack's having a moment, 6 posts all attempting to repudiate anything that I say, bet that took him yet another hour out of his miserable solitary life of his internet world.

" ...6 posts all attempting to repudiate anything that I say."

Hardly attempts to repudiate, all slam dunks....and all you haven't repudiated as usual.

7 and now 8 posts actually in less than hour and I'm fishing and posting and not getting a fucking bite, so glad I posted. :lol:

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:
7 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

....we are pretty sure now is the same product as the German labelled stuff and guess what, the price is down and even cheaper than before. Ordered it and 8 days later its on my desk.

Now container loads are in chaos....

So Whyan you are pretty sure but not sure about product origin, a product that fits on your desk and arrived in a packet and you use that to assess the current status of the EU and global supply chains.

OK...giggle.

Wayne's buying and then selling dodgy and uncertificated equipment.....interesting.

I'll keep my eye out for court cases.

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7 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Whyane attempts to sue Chinese supplier from a small Chinese village using European Court of Justice.

Only after he's had his arse sued off in a UK court, hopefully it won't be a corporate manslaughter charge as well.

"well I got it cheap from China won't cut it"  Fucking idiot.<_<

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Just now, mad said:

Only after he's had his sued off in a UK court, hopefully it won't be a corporate manslaughter charge.

He could take the Chinaman on from prison by spending his first year in the library learning the law between socialising in the shower block.

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L'Express in France reporting it's not 4 million AZ doses from Halix that are in question... but 4-5 million per month, stocked up, so 30 million in total by now. Produced by Halix, in stock in Italy to be bottled.

AZ delivered to the EU 16.5 million.

If this is right the whole thing takes on new proportions.

 
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57 minutes ago, mad said:

Wayne's buying and then selling dodgy and uncertificated equipment.....interesting.

I'll keep my eye out for court cases.

The old made in China it must be bad analogy. One of these days you guys will wake up to the fact that the Far East makes all your computer chips for your car and runs your computer you are looking at, they seem pretty reliable to me.

Just because it has a made in Germany sticker on it, doesn't mean its not based on all those Chinese computer chips, as we are finding out.

Makes you look like old men who haven't woken up to the fact that China and its neighbours makes virtually everything you use on a day to day basis.

Ah well

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16 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

.....Just because it has a made in Germany sticker..... 

Makes you look like old men who haven't woken up to the fact that China and its neighbours makes virtually everything you use on a day to day basis.

Ah well

We are a Pacific neighbour of China and trade with it more than Nth Sea Germany.

You are a neighbour of Nth Sea Germany but now want to trade with us and our Pacific neighbours instead of Nth Sea Germany.

Ah well, that should work out well.

PS. Whyane I left a note on your windshield in the Covid thread you just followed me to, to hump my leg. You sure like spreading your butthurt around. 

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

PS. Whyane I left a note on your windshield in the Covid thread you just followed me to, to hump my leg. You sure like spreading your butthurt around. 

How so, is the Covid area now exclusive to Lord Junkie Jack, should we all bow to his superior Twitter informed knowledge.

Nah what was entertainment in watching someone getting a right hammering and totally making a fool of himself on so many threads on SA now that I can no longer count, its almost getting to the point its no longer worthy of the time.  

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3 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Nah what was entertainment in watching someone getting a right hammering and totally making a fool of himself on so many threads on SA now that I can no longer count, its almost getting to the point its no longer worthy of the time.  

Do you notice how that has suddenly ceased except for one or two Covid Deniers....you really are not very good at joining dots Whyane. 

You should start another JS thread like your last feeble attempt.

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15 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Just using a conspiracy theory of Junkie Jacks, it must be direct orders from Boris not to charge taxes on imports from China :D

Correct, but I think not all are putting on the correct taxes at the moment, even with the 20% it will work out cheaper as the EU suppliers are now correctly adding VAT. I guess get used to it as every government in the world will be looking at ways to get funds in to pay for our burgening bar bill.

I'd say that the idea to put the burden of collecting VAT to exporting company is messed up. No conspiracy, just incompetence. Some companies play by the rules, some don't. Which you prefer?

12 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

The old made in China it must be bad analogy. One of these days you guys will wake up to the fact that the Far East makes all your computer chips for your car and runs your computer you are looking at, they seem pretty reliable to me.

Just because it has a made in Germany sticker on it, doesn't mean its not based on all those Chinese computer chips, as we are finding out.

Makes you look like old men who haven't woken up to the fact that China and its neighbours makes virtually everything you use on a day to day basis.

Ah well

Made in China doesn't mean junk. But it does matter where you buy. It is likely that you get perfectly usable stuff for pennies, but it might be the stuff that didn't make the QA and ended up in scrap bin. Sometimes it doesn't matter, sometimes it does. 

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From Politico ...

Italian authorities discover 29M Oxford/AstraZeneca doses: La Stampa – POLITICO

Italian authorities have discovered 29 million doses of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine that had been stocked at a manufacturing site in the country, reported La Stampa on Wednesday.

According to the newspaper, the doses likely come from AstraZeneca's Halix plant in the Netherlands, which hasn't yet been approved for EU production.

La Stampa cites EU sources who say that those doses were originally destined to the U.K. But exports stopped after the bloc introduced a mechanism to restrict exports on vaccines.

At a parliamentary committee meeting on Tuesday, the director general of the Commission's health and food safety department, Sandra Gallina, said that she wasn't aware of any Oxford/AstraZeneca doses leaving the bloc after one export request for Australia was denied.

La Stampa reports that AstraZeneca hadn't alerted EU authorities to the doses, which were being stored in a fill-finish site run by Catalent in the town of Agnani. But following an inspection of the Halix plant, Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton took an interest in where the doses being manufactured at Dutch the site were going, leading him to alert Italian authorities to look into the matter.

This discovery comes as AstraZeneca comes under harsh criticism from the European Commission over shortfalls of vaccine deliveries, having widely missed its original delivery targets set in the EU's advance purchase agreement. Its most recent promise is to deliver in the first quarter of the year 30 million doses — nearly equal to the amount found at the Catalent site.

The find also coincides with the European Commission's move to introduce new rules that could slash EU vaccine exports for six weeks. The rules target places like the U.K. and U.S. — countries that are either receiving EU-made doses but not shipping back their own shots, or that have vaccinated more of their population than the EU.  The proposal is supposed to be unveiled Wednesday ahead of a virtual summit of EU leaders on Thursday and Friday.

David M. Herszenhorn and Hans von der Burchard contributed reporting.

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1 hour ago, cms said:

But following an inspection of the Halix plant, Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton took an interest in where the doses being manufactured at Dutch the site were going, leading him to alert Italian authorities to look into the matter.

Halix employees spilled the beans. Were very vocal in January for a few days here, then silence and EU investigation.
Since February they are trying to solve it with AZ, no effect. With UK massively on the AZ bandwagon.
AZ is not giving information for who and where their EU produced vaccines are. Or how many they produced.
They keep changing stories and promises every week. So nobody can say it are really UK supply vaccines in Italy, except the insiders. But there is a big stock there, no doubt. Not  good.
Now more gloves off approach. Word is a limited ban only for the UK. AZ for sure and Pfizer maybe. But acting careful not to upset relations with other countries, except UK. They praise US EU collaboration, and EU Swiss ones.

Biggest problem seems to be transparency of AZ.

 

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2 hours ago, cms said:

....La Stampa reports that AstraZeneca hadn't alerted EU authorities to the doses, which were being stored in a fill-finish site run by Catalent in the town of Agnani. But following an inspection of the Halix plant, Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton took an interest in where the doses being manufactured at Dutch the site were going, leading him to alert Italian authorities to look into the matter... 

1 hour ago, LeoV said:

Halix employees spilled the beans. Were very vocal in January for a few days here, then silence and EU investigation....

 

What a great Gotcha.

A great headline would be;

'AZ caught hiding 29 million doses from the UK'

 :lol::lol:

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And with the news fresh the Tory graph spins it like this;
Italian authorities raid vaccine factory amid false fears AstraZeneca doses being hidden for UK.

They really know everything...

Own investigation;
One reason to be a bit careful for the EU, the Italian plant is a future partner in J&J.

But could not see it mentioned in EU or UK contracts for AZ. Some say that was why AZ used it. Export it to ,for instance Mexico, then reimport to the UK or other rich country (source EU diplomat in the FT)

 

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My best guess at the moment on this saga.

Halix contracts to produce AZ vaccine, and starts output in January? Leo reported unhappiness in the plant at the time about the stuff being made for UK.

The Catalent plant in Italy was already contracted to do "fill and finish" bottling?

After Italian government blocking a shipment to Aus under the new EU policy, AZ crapping themselves, as the 29 million were destined for UK, initially direct from Italy? Perhaps they then thought about a subterfuge export to a 3rd party country, but probably realised they would be rumbled?

Bastards.

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19 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

The old made in China it must be bad analogy. One of these days you guys will wake up to the fact that the Far East makes all your computer chips for your car and runs your computer you are looking at, they seem pretty reliable to me.

Just because it has a made in Germany sticker on it, doesn't mean its not based on all those Chinese computer chips, as we are finding out.

Makes you look like old men who haven't woken up to the fact that China and its neighbours makes virtually everything you use on a day to day basis.

Ah well

There's a difference between China and Japan/ Korea. 

China still does not have the ip or manufacturing capability for advanced chips.

Even relatively simple chips such as integrated drivers,  mux, i2c analogs are all ex usa, jap or Korea.

Very simple to verify... when Chinese suppliers cannot match mouser / digikey / Farnell prices,  the chips are not made in China. 

Even if they did,  we would not buy such chips made in China. 

(We source components ourselves and populate / assemble in house, it's cheaper )

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35 minutes ago, cms said:

My best guess at the moment on this saga.

Halix contracts to produce AZ vaccine, and starts output in January? Leo reported unhappiness in the plant at the time about the stuff being made for UK.

The Catalent plant in Italy was already contracted to do "fill and finish" bottling?

After Italian government blocking a shipment to Aus under the new EU policy, AZ crapping themselves, as the 29 million were destined for UK, initially direct from Italy? Perhaps they then thought about a subterfuge export to a 3rd party country, but probably realised they would be rumbled?

Bastards.

Aren't you guys thinking too much into it. Helix began producing quantities in an unlicenced plant on the hope that the EU would grant it permission. According to LeoV that plant is still not yet licenced, he can correct me on that. Now this stuff is biologically grown, you can't turn it on and off at the drop of a switch. So Helix has 30 M doses and growing by the day quantities of AZ vaccine that the EU now won't certify due to the unlicenced factory bit. It sends it off to Italy to be bottled anyway rather than tipping it down the sink. AZ knows it can move it around the world as the rest of the world is crying out for it.

If it stays in the EU will it get back certification, probably that will take months and in that time full production will be up to speed anyway. AZ would be villified in the rest of the world if its known that it scrapped 30M doses because the EU took so long to certify it. If it exports it now, all the likes of you will complain as you are doing. On the other hand there will be 30 Million arms outside of the EU saying thank you AZ. Or the EU could say its certified and stop all the blather and use it in the EU.

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A UK guy I don't trust much says first that the 29 million were for Belgium, then ..."The plant is for fill and finish with batches due for delivery to Canada, Mexico, Belgium and COVAX. U.K. gvt have officially denied that any of their AZ vaccines were or are planned in the future to come from Italy, Brussels are backing that statement."

As I say, he is an arrogant twat, so could be wrong about part or whole....

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Having just, accidentally seen a Whyne post ... Halix plant approved by UK because AZ requested approval, but AZ decided to wait much longer to ask for EU approval.

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7 minutes ago, cms said:

but AZ decided to wait much longer to ask for EU approval.

Really, I would be surprised when AZ knows that everything takes longer in the EU to be certified. Perhaps they asked and its just taken the EU this long to get their act together.

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The saga continues ... Made outside EU???

AstraZeneca said no exports were currently planned other than to developing countries via the Covax facility, and it was incorrect to describe the batches in the factory – run by the US-based company Catalent to provide vial filling and packaging to AstraZeneca – as a “stockpile”.

“There are 13m doses of vaccine waiting for quality control release to be dispatched to Covax as part of our commitment to supply millions of doses to low-income countries, the vaccine was made outside the EU and brought to the Anagni plant to be filled into vials,” the company said.

It added that a further 16m doses were waiting for quality control release before being dispatched to Europe. “Close to 10m doses will be delivered to EU countries during the last week of March, [and] the balance in April as the doses are approved for release after quality control.”

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2 hours ago, cms said:

Brussels are backing that statement."

Nope.

And time to put W on ignore again.

Az promised 100 M in 1rst quarter.
Then less and less. Now on 17 M, and on Monday they said not to expect more.
Now suddenly half the Italy stash was for this week to be delivered to the EU according AZ.
Fucking bastards. Almost 30 M in storage...
Even if it was for a third country like Mexico, that one could then order less Pfizer.
International cooperation looks like a shamble.

But anyway, India did put in an export ban on AZ. After this AZ and UK can say whatever they want, but no undocumented exports to the UK of AZ from the EU, any export needs to be cleared and confirmed where it goes. Forced transparency.

Just in;
Big joint EU-UK statement just released on the vaccine wars - working together "on specific steps we can take" to increase vaccine supplies "for all our citizens". No details yet, but this is a declaration of peace.

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2 hours ago, cms said:

A UK guy I don't trust much says first that the 29 million were for Belgium, then ..."The plant is for fill and finish with batches due for delivery to Canada, Mexico, Belgium and COVAX. U.K. gvt have officially denied that any of their AZ vaccines were or are planned in the future to come from Italy, Brussels are backing that statement."

As I say, he is an arrogant twat, so could be wrong about part or whole....

weird. Belgium has also a plant of AZ vaccin. 

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AZ still deliberately obfuscating. Let us say that some of the 29 million came from outside the EU, perhaps from USA as per much of the 17 million already delivered to EU.

So, are AZ trying to say that 16 million doses in Italy were part of the 30 million promised to EU for 1st quarter 2021? That figure of course neatly forgets the original commitment of +/- 100 million.

Are the balance of the doses destined for Covax according to AZ, from Halix? No, it seems as those are in the sentence that says not made in EU, so must have come from USA?

So, were the 16 million doses for the EU made by Halix?

AZ are very deliberately using words and language which confuses further and allows them to change their story every two minutes.

How many doses have Halix produced and where have they been delivered, or where are they today.

Bad smell still.

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1 minute ago, gewoon ik said:

weird. Belgium has also a plant of AZ vaccin. 

Yep, EU relations with Pfizer and Moderna, good. Stuff flies back and forth between US and EU, and from EU to many countries in the millions. No problems.
With AZ, it is all so weird.
 

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1 minute ago, gewoon ik said:

weird. Belgium has also a plant of AZ vaccin. 

That plant has disappeared from all recent information .... Yes, you remember, the plant that AZ blamed for having to cut EU deliveries. All the UK press say that up to present, only UK and not EU has produced AZ doses, until Halix came into the picture. They show a Belgian plant producing Pfizer/BioNTech including for UK.

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That plant has disappeared from all recent information .... Yes, you remember, the plant that AZ blamed for having to cut EU deliveries. All the UK press say that up to present, only UK and not EU has produced AZ doses, until Halix came into the picture. They show a Belgian plant producing Pfizer/BioNTech including for UK.

Pfizer is in Puurs. 

AZ is produced in Seneffe (they are looking for a lot of QC staff in that factory ). Is not a real AZ plant but it is Thermo Fisher.

J&J is Beerse.

 

*insert funny jokes about walloons* @Albatros

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10 minutes ago, cms said:

That plant has disappeared from all recent information ....

Yeah, that is weird, Novasep is the name. I thought it was a bottling and control, Halix a producer.
(edit, Novasep a purifier , whatever that means)

It looks like AZ has a problem with a CEO that is a psychopath and believes his own lies.
Who is hiding in Australia to be safe from the vaccine.
AZ changed it's PR people, but it keeps putting out the same stuff.

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23 minutes ago, cms said:

So, are AZ trying to say that 16 million doses in Italy were part of the 30 million promised to EU for 1st quarter 2021? That figure of course neatly forgets the original commitment of +/- 100 million.

Halix not allowed to produce for the EU because of no AZ certification, but an Italian company with no AZ certification has millions in stock for the EU. Nope.

BTW Halix produces anticancer treatments too that are going to the UK and EU market. It is not only an AZ lab.

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But W was right, he is clear voyant, there are sitting million of AZ jabs in EU freezers... would be funny if it was not that painful.

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research;
Seneffe  Belguim AZ production was Novasep, then sold to Fisher, supplies EU not the UK.
As far as UK is concerned, production from Halix is considered the same as Oxford Biologica & Cobra Biologics, i.e. all production from those goes to UK until UK vaccination done. EU does not agree abut Halix.
Halix was involved in Oxford research even before AZ got the contract. Hence the UK claim.
Halix produced the first batches that were used in the trials. Seneffe came later with AZ.

Now Halix is not exporting to UK (as far as we know) India came into focus. Who is now having an export ban.

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4 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Aren't you guys thinking too much into it. Helix began producing quantities in an unlicenced plant on the hope that the EU would grant it permission. According to LeoV that plant is still not yet licenced, he can correct me on that.

4 hours ago, cms said:

Having just, accidentally seen a Whyne post ... Halix plant approved by UK because AZ requested approval, but AZ decided to wait much longer to ask for EU approval.

 

4 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Really, I would be surprised when AZ knows that everything takes longer in the EU to be certified. Perhaps they asked and its just taken the EU this long to get their act together.

 

Whyane- "Helix began producing quantities in an unlicenced plant on the hope that the EU would grant it permission."

CMS - "Halix plant approved by UK because AZ requested approval, but AZ decided to wait much longer to ask for EU approval."

Whyane- "Perhaps they asked and its just taken the EU this long to get their act together"

Typical Whyane discourse doesn't even absorb CM's post.

Hatred of the EU is so deep writes the first thing that comes into his head without thinking. 

It is my understanding there are 8 AZ licensed facilities around the world excluding those that only do part of the job, like finishing facilities. There are also AZ owned ??

This step by step process applies to all vaccines and all countries.

Step 1. Vaccine approval by individual host country pharma regulator for the vaccine itself. This is not manufacturing approval.

Step 2. Manufacturing process approval by individual host country pharma regulator.

Step 3. Facilities exporting to other countries obviously need multiple pharma approvals. Approvals can occur before the host country. AZ bound for UK and US from EU a classic example.

The time period between Step 1 and 2 varies but is measured in weeks as a minimum. Australia pharma regulator it took 5 weeks with a longer Step 1 than most.

Depending on country and supply contracts, those facilities manufacture and store BEFORE securing Step 2. Some even did so BEFORE Step 1.

The above is the foundation to where AZ as a company went off the rails. The UK's early pharma approval to help get the Govt out of their Covid response shit, they were either tempted themselves or encouraged by UK Govt to put UK first and ignore agreements with other countries.

I think the latter prospect very strong.

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^^^^^^^^

1 hour ago, LeoV said:
1 hour ago, gewoon ik said:

weird. Belgium has also a plant of AZ vaccin. 

Yep, EU relations with Pfizer and Moderna, good. Stuff flies back and forth between US and EU, and from EU to many countries in the millions. No problems.
With AZ, it is all so weird.

 

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2 hours ago, LeoV said:

Halix not allowed to produce for the EU because of no AZ certification, but an Italian company with no AZ certification has millions in stock for the EU. Nope.

Says it all doesn't it from your little buddy.

5 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Helix began producing quantities in an unlicenced plant on the hope that the EU would grant it permission. According to LeoV that plant is still not yet licenced, he can correct me on that.

So with all this production going on Whats AZ supposed to do with it, perhaps supply willing partners who have certified it like the UK, US, Covax and even little old Aussie ?

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29 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

So with all this production going on Whats AZ supposed to do with it, perhaps supply willing partners who have certified it like the UK, US, Covax and even little old Aussie ?

You don't seem to get it.

AK have no control over licensed facilities, unless there is a back go back supply agreement that encumbers that licensed facility.

What they do is honour their supply agreements and if there are production problems then pain is shared, not favour one country over another and do it secretly. 

Dishonest like their home country.

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Whyane put everyone on ignore 2 years ago but still posts replies. 

You're about the only left that hasn't blocked him after Leo press's the button.

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6 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

AK have no control over licensed facilities, unless there is a back go back supply agreement that encumbers that licensed facility.

Really so what you are saying is that once a licenced facility has a batch it can sell to who ever it wants. What world do you live in ? This stuff is more valuable than the Klondyke gold rush, there's no way AZ are going to relinquish control of who gets what and at how much.

More like the facilities are just contracted to a specific process and I guess thats why no one facility has all the components to fully manufacture from start to finish.

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21 minutes ago, mad said:

You're about the only left that hasn't blocked him after Leo press's the button.

God made it my mission to turn Whayne and make him a EuroCentric otherwise I go to hell.

Its getting very hot here.

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26 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:
37 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

AK have no control over licensed facilities, unless there is a back to back supply agreement that encumbers that licensed facility.

Really so what you are saying is that once a licenced facility has a batch it can sell to who ever it wants.

Try fucking reading the second half of that sentence you quoted you moron.

Sorry God.

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33 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

This stuff is more valuable than the Klondyke gold rush, there's no way AZ are going to relinquish control of who gets what and at how much.

Bullshit.

For instance other than the AZ label on the vial and QA, Australias CSL have no involvement with AZ and can sell to who ever they like, subject to supply agreements and export controls.

You are the dumbest fucking zealot I have ever come across. 

 

 

 

I promise I wont do it again God.

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39 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

What they do is honour their supply agreements and if there are production problems then pain is shared, not favour one country over another.

Where does any multi national manufacturer ever do that, nope biggest subsidy, highest bidder, biggest long term sales, apart from a rock solid contract dictating the first 100M doses coming into play.

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

For instance other than the AZ label on the vial and QA, Australias CSL have no involvement with AZ and can sell to who ever they like, subject to supply agreements and export controls.

I really hope you are right for the worlds sake and Oxfords desires to make it available to all, but there has been absolutely no mention of other manufacturers getting involved and I would guess CSL will only make it under licence for Australia only and there after on AZ's terms as to who gets what.

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2 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Where does any multi national manufacturer ever do that, nope biggest subsidy, highest bidder, biggest long term sales, apart from a rock solid contract dictating the first 100M doses coming into play.

Agh fuck off...

You are now on ignore.

 

 

 

 

God he was an arsehole and so fucking stupid you can't believe....I saved Europe from their average IQ dropping if he immigrated. 

Thank you God 

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3 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

I would guess CSL will only make it under licence for Australia only and there after on AZ's terms as to who gets what.

Who is supplying small Pacific nations.... certainly not the fucking UK. Some already exported and CSL only got manufacturing approval on Sunday.

 

Accounts...Ignore....Click.

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Hot news here, AZ asks EMA for Halix license AZ vaccine for EU. Only AZ can ask for that, not Halix.
End next week should be approved, according  AZ 10 million jabs are in stock at Halix.
Halix still does not have a license to produce for the UK(officially)

Capacity of Halix; 5 million a month.

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16 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Hot news here, AZ asks EMA for Halix license AZ vaccine for EU. Only AZ can ask for that, not Halix.

Leo that would indicate AZ initially encumbered Halix with a No EU supply agreement.

They didn't do that in the US with a AZ already ready to come out of a Ohio facility. Don't have to anyway with US export ban.

However The US hasn't authorized AstraZeneca's vaccine yet.

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It is so weird, 4 factories in the UK contract, same in the EU, and they are the same locations.
For UK 2 plants producing for the UK, for the EU one in the EU.  Leaving one out of both supply chains. Weird.

Not clear is from AZ if the Halix stock is in Italian fridges. Most likely otherwise there are would be 40 million jabs in fridges. And if so, what are they doing there.

The mysterious story of the AstraZeneca Netherlands factory....

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3 hours ago, LeoV said:

Not clear is from AZ if the Halix stock is in Italian fridges. Most likely otherwise there are would be 40 million jabs in fridges. And if so, what are they doing there.

The mysterious story of the AstraZeneca Netherlands factory....

Leo the answer should be easy.

If the Halix don't have any 'finishing capability' (where 'ready to-go bulk vaccine' is put into vials) PLUS they don't have EMA OR UK manufacturing pharma approval, then that AZ 'ready to-go vaccine' has gone to the  AZ's contracted US Company Catalent operation in for 'finishing' AND final certification.

If it is NOT from Halix then where is this 'ready to go bulk vaccine' from?

- It can't be from Catalent in the US on account of their blanket export ban.

- It can't be from AZ UK on account of their vaccine export restriction.

Then Catalent say from from Italy it was to go AZ Belgium where it can go anywhere (where certified) including the UK, where Belgium is already a contested source of UK AZ supply. 

Then for AZ to say it was going elsewhere other than the UK, BUT the EU, Italy and Belgium DON"T know anything about that in the middle of a mega international vaccine disagreement?

That beggers belief. 

"If it quakes like a duck it is usually a duck".

June 2020 - 'Catalent Signs Agreement with AstraZeneca to Manufacture COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate in Anagni Italy'

24 March 2021 - 'Catalent ships its finished vaccine vials to AstraZeneca’s Belgian distribution center'

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Scooter has put Covid threads on the bonfire which is probably a good idea....

......so hide your Covid comments behind this massive kite on  Leo's favorite the 'Mini'..20 foot of 'heaven on a stick'.

 

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6 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

It can't be from Catalent in the US on account of their blanket export ban.

I believe that the EU or AZ said that the +/- 17 million doses so far delivered to EU came from USA? Well before US approval, so might be possible?

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AstraZeneca is acting in a very bizarre way according Vice President EU parliament on Newsnight. (and not VP of EU as Newsnights says, big difference).

That sums it up,  with UK government and RW press on the AZ bandwagon.

Keep repeating funding and contracts... both are a few % true but does not account for 30 M delivered when said it would be 120 M for the EU. While keeping the EU Pfizer shots handed out in the UK under the carpet.
They can prove how much "extra teeth" the UK contract has as the UK is now being under delivered by AZ too. Sue them. Claim the US or Indian production.
And then the ridiculous in the fridge claim. But some in the UK will buy it. According a Spectator poll 50% think the UK is in it's rights, many unknows.


BJ is risking bad relations over non compliance to WAB and TAC. NIP and delays of checks.
BJ risks bad relations by not accepting EU ambassador position.
BJ risks bad relations by jumping on AZ bandwagon.

Result, many UK citizens will overlook the bad state the UK was in before vaccines changed it's fortune.
BJ claim it a win over the EU. Now 2 months advantage. More likely a few weeks if acceleration continues.

But with very bad relations with the EU for at least a decade to come. They will smile in public but behind the scenes...

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Meanwhile in the 'real world' to quote our slightly misguided friend :

Got the below message from a Dutch supplier serving commercial shipping :

Getting something in and out of the UK has really become a nightmare. I recently sent lamps to Southampton
Sent by UPS with all export documents etc. (took 5 weeks)
Then you also have to pay extra for Brexit-related issues.
We had everything well organized, but UPS throws everything into a big warehouse at customs (also mixed up with shipments without papers)

We stopped exporting to the UK for a while, until they sort themselves out.

 

...... teething problems they said ........ everything is now as good as back to normal they said ....... :unsure:

 

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49 minutes ago, cms said:

I believe that the EU or AZ said that the +/- 17 million doses so far delivered to EU came from USA? Well before US approval, so might be possible?

Probably not if it was for the EU market, EU asked the US to drop the export ban two weeks ago. No news since then.
If they did agree on it, I would have expect to see it in the news.
https://www.dw.com/en/eu-seeks-us-supplies-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-report/a-56793089
It could be possible that it was for the US itself, send from the US to Italy for the US market, who knows. Seems unlikely. Why would you do that.

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If the 17 million came from the US, the Seneffe production site output numbers for the EU must have been zero.  for months. Impossible.

Edit, maybe Pfizer deliveries was the case ?

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1 hour ago, cms said:
8 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

It can't be from Catalent in the US on account of their blanket export ban.

I believe that the EU or AZ said that the +/- 17 million doses so far delivered to EU came from USA? Well before US approval, so might be possible?

Cm something not right there. Using a Defence Act provision not a vial has left US.

Biden has finally relented and later their time today the first shipment goes out and not a lot to Canada and Mexico of 4m total.. It is AZ.

"The White House said it was finalizing plans to send a total of 4 million vaccines to neighbors Canada and Mexico on Thursday, in the country's first exports of shots.

Of those doses of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine, about 2.5 million will go to Mexico while 1.5 are flagged for Canada as a "loan."

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3 hours ago, LeoV said:

If the 17 million came from the US, the Seneffe production site output numbers for the EU must have been zero.  for months. Impossible.

Edit, maybe Pfizer deliveries was the case ?

The belgium plant is apparently only importend because it has a lot of export licenses and experiance. 

So from ????? (Probably Halix) to Italy, to belgium to ???? (But not the eu).

And in italy, az was caught with the stuff and is now trying to explain (without telling the truth).

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(Reuters) - AstraZeneca should ramp up its Covid-19 vaccine deliveries to the European Union after the alleged discovery of some 29 million jabs in Italy, a German government source said on Wednesday.

"Maybe there is an opportunity now to boost deliveries (to the EU) significantly, which is what the CEO (of AstraZeneca) had promised", the source said.

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