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Yes, history is being made.

Soon I will arrive on a 11,500 pound vessel made of polyester resins, synthetic fibers, aluminum, and petroleum based foams, built in a factory in a somewhat capitalist country that is 80 percent powered by nuclear reactors, and celebrate my ecologically pure existence.  Crew will have flown on fossil fuel burning jets in and out to facilitate our voyage, yet the moral righteousness and purity of my journey is not to be questioned, those who dare shall be subject to ridicule.

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LB forwarded to the ED for a full ban due to attempted identification.

Thanks for those posting information on the excellent sailing adventures Greta has taken.  I dropped by here to learn about her second voyage and found what I was looking to learn.  I came pretty clos

The young lady sure has managed to get a lot of old folks' knickers in twists 

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3 hours ago, Gissie said:

There will be no shit fight at the summit. Only those full on retard on how to destroy economies to still not stop the tipping points. Especially the ones the have already arrived. Other voices or ideas on the way forward need to be shut down, after a good bit of demonising and abuse of course.

It will be just like Paris when they all turned on each other arguing about how many degrees of global warming they want the dial set at. What is truly astounding is that supposedly educated people could carry on with this stupidity. Throw in some finger waging from a retarded 16 year old and this is going to be fun to watch. Bruce will be along soon. He has just popped out of his mothers basement to get a new keyboard. He has worn the letters off his old one.

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2 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Bruce will be along soon. He has just popped out of his mothers basement to get a new keyboard. He has worn the letters off his old one.

Probably shorted out from the spittle....

FKT

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11 hours ago, Bruce Hudson said:

I'm beginning to agree. Got a stronger one you can recommend?

Most of the legendary trolls here have been perma flicked (banned for eternity) or have left.  Things got pretty crazy here back in the day.  Every now and then Scot gets a bug up  his ass and gives the site a high colonic to flush out the worst bits.  There are still a few uber trolls left over at Political Anarchy, it appears that the moat, razor wire, minefields and some other measures have contained them pretty well these days.  But every now and then one gets out and shits all over a thread or two out here, until the mods can shoot him with a tranquilizer gun and net the bugger in and put him back in PA.  Occasionally the mods need to suit up in their hazmat gear, go into PA, break a few heads and stomp out a fire or two, but not as often as they used to.

LB 15 probably isn't a bad bloke in real life.  Especially when he stays away from the Bundy.   He is generally regarded as that dotty old uncle that visits for the holidays.  The one that gets into the egg nog, bumbles around the house knocking things over and generally upsetting the holiday meal.  One year he went into the kitchen and managed to get the uncooked holiday turkey stuck on his head, just like Mr. Bean in that legendary skit.  That was a treat.  The turkey got roasted after all and probably it killed any bacteria it may have acquired, so it all worked out OK once we got the turkey off of his head.  The children and the dogs love him, and the others tolerate him because he's really not that bad and he can be amusing at times.  Plus he always pays for the damages when he leaves and he's managed not to burn down the house.  Yet.  The kids love him because if they pull his finger, he farts loudly and you know how all kids love farts.  The dogs love him because he always has a bit of old sausage or something or some other foul smelling thing in his pocket for them, and dogs love old smelly things.  The odd thing is his wife is a wonderful woman, quite good looking, very witty, charming, classy and always fun to be around.  We all wonder why she puts up with him, but she doesn't seem to mind his antics.  The word here is that she is filthy rich, a family inheritance you know, and LB charmed her and married her for her money, and she bought him the yachting school and charter fleet to keep him busy.  But that's just a rumor.

You know, we are kind of like a family here, a bit dysfunctional like most families.  Like him, hate him or regard him with indifferent,  LB might not be the best troll on the web but he is our troll dammit, and blood is thicker than water isn't it?  

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Me... I'd be putting the iron sail on... tacking up into the estuary... top-sea-salt-form.... though 2.6knts!?!  When the munchkin has a important conf' to get to... time is of the essence...!!

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Tally ho!

Catch them live on the Bélem tower.... maybe an hour or so if they don't use the engine....

https://balticlivecam.com/cameras/portugal/lisbon/belem/

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5 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Throw in some finger waging from a retarded 16 year old and this is going to be fun to watch.

Must be humbling to have a retarded 16 year understand stuff that you do not.

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1 hour ago, Ed Lada said:

Most of the legendary trolls here have been perma flicked (banned for eternity) or have left.  Things got pretty crazy here back in the day.  Every now and then Scot gets a bug up  his ass and gives the site a high colonic to flush out the worst bits.  There are still a few uber trolls left over at Political Anarchy, it appears that the moat, razor wire, minefields and some other measures have contained them pretty well these days.  But every now and then one gets out and shits all over a thread or two out here, until the mods can shoot him with a tranquilizer gun and net the bugger in and put him back in PA.  Occasionally the mods need to suit up in their hazmat gear, go into PA, break a few heads and stomp out a fire or two, but not as often as they used to.

LB 15 probably isn't a bad bloke in real life.  Especially when he stays away from the Bundy.   He is generally regarded as that dotty old uncle that visits for the holidays.  The one that gets into the egg nog, bumbles around the house knocking things over and generally upsetting the holiday meal.  One year he went into the kitchen and managed to get the uncooked holiday turkey stuck on his head, just like Mr. Bean in that legendary skit.  That was a treat.  The turkey got roasted after all and probably it killed any bacteria it may have acquired, so it all worked out OK once we got the turkey off of his head.  The children and the dogs love him, and the others tolerate him because he's really not that bad and he can be amusing at times.  Plus he always pays for the damages when he leaves and he's managed not to burn down the house.  Yet.  The kids love him because if they pull his finger, he farts loudly and you know how all kids love farts.  The dogs love him because he always has a bit of old sausage or something or some other foul smelling thing in his pocket for them, and dogs love old smelly things.  The odd thing is his wife is a wonderful woman, quite good looking, very witty, charming, classy and always fun to be around.  We all wonder why she puts up with him, but she doesn't seem to mind his antics.  The word here is that she is filthy rich, a family inheritance you know, and LB charmed her and married her for her money, and she bought him the yachting school and charter fleet to keep him busy.  But that's just a rumor.

You know, we are kind of like a family here, a bit dysfunctional like most families.  Like him, hate him or regard him with indifferent,  LB might not be the best troll on the web but he is our troll dammit, and blood is thicker than water isn't it?  

Hahahahha

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1 hour ago, Ed Lada said:

Most of the legendary trolls here have been perma flicked (banned for eternity) or have left.  Things got pretty crazy here back in the day.  Every now and then Scot gets a bug up  his ass and gives the site a high colonic to flush out the worst bits.  There are still a few uber trolls left over at Political Anarchy, it appears that the moat, razor wire, minefields and some other measures have contained them pretty well these days.  But every now and then one gets out and shits all over a thread or two out here, until the mods can shoot him with a tranquilizer gun and net the bugger in and put him back in PA.  Occasionally the mods need to suit up in their hazmat gear, go into PA, break a few heads and stomp out a fire or two, but not as often as they used to.

LB 15 probably isn't a bad bloke in real life.  Especially when he stays away from the Bundy.   He is generally regarded as that dotty old uncle that visits for the holidays.  The one that gets into the egg nog, bumbles around the house knocking things over and generally upsetting the holiday meal.  One year he went into the kitchen and managed to get the uncooked holiday turkey stuck on his head, just like Mr. Bean in that legendary skit.  That was a treat.  The turkey got roasted after all and probably it killed any bacteria it may have acquired, so it all worked out OK once we got the turkey off of his head.  The children and the dogs love him, and the others tolerate him because he's really not that bad and he can be amusing at times.  Plus he always pays for the damages when he leaves and he's managed not to burn down the house.  Yet.  The kids love him because if they pull his finger, he farts loudly and you know how all kids love farts.  The dogs love him because he always has a bit of old sausage or something or some other foul smelling thing in his pocket for them, and dogs love old smelly things.  The odd thing is his wife is a wonderful woman, quite good looking, very witty, charming, classy and always fun to be around.  We all wonder why she puts up with him, but she doesn't seem to mind his antics.  The word here is that she is filthy rich, a family inheritance you know, and LB charmed her and married her for her money, and she bought him the yachting school and charter fleet to keep him busy.  But that's just a rumor.

You know, we are kind of like a family here, a bit dysfunctional like most families.  Like him, hate him or regard him with indifferent,  LB might not be the best troll on the web but he is our troll dammit, and blood is thicker than water isn't it?  

Exactly, don't go upsetting him.  It was terrible last time.

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13 hours ago, LB 15 said:

back when I ran an Ad agency.

Jesus, that explains why you are full of it.

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1 hour ago, astro said:

Must be humbling to have a retarded 16 year understand stuff that you do not.

 

28 minutes ago, Dark Cloud said:

Oh look, a new sock. Do introduce yourself.

Interesting how they attempt to insult LB whilst in fact they have posted quite an inconsiderate insult about Greta by calling her a retard and by implication they are insulting all people on the Autism spectrum. On top of that, the forum retard Bruce is too fucking dumb to see the insult and like the post.

LOL

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

Interesting how they attempt to insult LB

No, It was not an attempt, he was insulted.  But he ran an ad agency, he insulted himself.

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And the've slowed right down...Seems they are waiting for the 'welcome home'  flotilla to build.... (cough). That might be sometime coming... if at all. Tis a Tuesday in the winter with most folks heads down with lives to get on with. Me I'm slaving on a laptop this morn... so can keep an eye on the circus....

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2 minutes ago, Marinatrix447 said:

And the've slowed right down...Seems they are waiting for the 'welcome home'  flotilla to build.... (cough). That might be sometime coming... if at all. Tis a Tuesday in the winter with most folks heads down with lives to get on with. Me I'm slaving on a laptop this morn... so can keep an eye on the circus....

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Of course we’ve slowed down. For a PR stunt to be successful, we have to have images. Can’t just quietly motor into port with our engine. Hopefully the schoolchildren can walk out of class and get into their Optis and we can get a shot of them in the background.

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2 hours ago, astro said:

Must be humbling to have a retarded 16 year understand stuff that you do not.

There are many things I could learn from a retarded 16 year old, Yatzy,  death stares, braiding hair and how to live in the US for months without any assistance to name a few. Anyway was it really necessary to start a new sock just to try to put shit on me? I am flattered naturally, but you didn’t need to waste your butthurt doing that, particularly after going to all the trouble of telling me you were ignoring me. 

Nevertheless welcome to SA Astro boy.

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1 hour ago, astro said:

No, It was not an attempt, he was insulted.  But he ran an ad agency, he insulted himself.

Well I am done here. I can’t stand being insulted like this. It’s been fun everyone but I have go and hopefully I get over this one day.

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*We'll see if the unprecedented & historic arrival is in fact a well-managed PR event...*

It definitely wasn’t a ‘Maiden’ style welcome back as in the Tracy Edwards type.

Just another typical classic Portuguese capital blue sky, with multiple commercial jets flying overhead into Lisbon on finals packed with Xmas city tourists… and the normal local citizens doin’ December bidness as usual, i.e. move along…nothing to see here.

One small coastguard launch and a couple of media RIBs.

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(Hype versus reality)

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Ironically, where they've parked the traffic noise from the bridge is deafening!! I know as when I scouted the place it was a defo a no, no for staying docked in.

Perhaps Greta’s 15mins of fame will soon be over? The problem with a selfie culture, is that it’s innately selfish and inward.


The real winner here is Riley. To have had a one-on-one mentoring experience as he has had with an ex CLIPPER skipper with the blue-water offshore experience of Nikki, well my fellow anarpists…that’s invaluable. It will stand him in good stead – indefinitely as long as he keeps sailing.

Perhaps in a quieter moment he’ll reflect on that?


Outremer too, well it proves their platform is full-on bad-ass in North Atlantic seas in the winter.


Finally, however a BIG CONGRATS to Riley & Nikki for getting the whole caboodle back into shore safe and sound. Impressive for sure.

Proper job as we say down here in the West Country.

 

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1 hour ago, Toecutter's Ghost said:

They're drawing a hockey stick

Or smoking the last Budda stick. 

But seriously I am glad they are safely tied up and I hope Greta found some peace out there before the circus her life has become continues. Now on with the show!

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15 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Or smoking the last Budda stick. 

But seriously I am glad they are safely tied up and I hope Greta found some peace out there before the circus her life has become continues. Now on with the show!

I think the polish has worn off this whole freak show. Even the Aussie ABC isn't beating off to this historic event. 

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2 hours ago, Marinatrix447 said:

And the've slowed right down...Seems they are waiting for the 'welcome home'  flotilla to build.... (cough). That might be sometime coming... if at all. Tis a Tuesday in the winter with most folks heads down with lives to get on with. Me I'm slaving on a laptop this morn... so can keep an eye on the circus....

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.......or maybe the wind dropped as they went inshore?

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... And in the first 30 seconds of the vid I saw 3 boats - all burning fossil fuels. I can’t believe the gall...

I’ll skip the rest, I’ve heard it before, except for “ If it weren’t for fossil fuels, we could not have made it here. The boat, the fenders- everything carbon laden provided safe passage.”

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2 minutes ago, ARumRunner said:

Yes Nikki did a great job.

I never followed that youtube channel. Other than watching the one where they stole music from a capsized catamaran somehwre that was posted in SA.

Haven't they sailed around the world? What's the deal?

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24 minutes ago, Saint Greta said:

Such a thrill!

but please ignore the fossil fuel burning powerboats and auxiliary sailboats that escorted us in. Not good for the PR.

Don't fear young Greta. That's a mere drop in the ocean compared to all the jet fuel burning required to transport the delegates and assorted hanger on'ers to their cop25 junket.

Just keep that in mind as you do your "how dare you!" thing.

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2 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

I never followed that youtube channel. Other than watching the one where they stole music from a capsized catamaran somehwre that was posted in SA.

Haven't they sailed around the world? What's the deal?

You missed the best part when Elayna awash in new found Patreon $$$CASH$$$ went on a Paris clothes shopping spree and bought new tits down under to go with the new garb.

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Seriously, that was hard core sailing in some bad weather with a 1 year old baby. With a kid of that age, when he's awake, you're immediately down 1 crew member on full time baby wrangling duty. Glad they had Nikki aboard so Riley didn't get exhausted.

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Wonder if we’ll hear updates from the passage doubters early on this thread? Not holding my breath.

Looks like they made it with nothing but fairly easily resolved issues despite the weather and an extremely shorthanded Atlantic passage. Congrats to Nikki and Riley, result. I’m glad she made it safely but I could care less about the Greta circus, but I’m impressed with Riley, Nikki and Elayna. Outremer has to be thrilled too, more good PR from SLV than bad? 

This is a sailing thread right?

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There seems to be several people here commenting on what they think is hypocrisy.

28 minutes ago, olaf hart said:

If St Greta was truly worried about the atmosphere she would be sitting in her fathers basement attending these events on facetime.

Here's a question and answer at the press conference delivered to the small crowd a few minutes ago in Libson:

Journalist from Madrid: Many of us have got here by plane, as you can imagine I came from Madrid. So my question is for those who can't afford travelling by sailing boat what cheap options would you recommend to take?

Greta: We're not doing this trip and I'm not travelling like this because I want everyone to do so. I'm doing this to send a message that it is impossible to live sustainable today and that needs to change. It needs to become much easier. We can't all rely on people like this to sail you across an ocean, that is absurd. I'm not telling anyone else how to travel or how not to travel but there are more sustainable alternatives, but I'm not telling anyone else what to do. 

Seems to me there is not much hypocrisy going on, rather a few people who have unthinkingly joined in a chorus that promotes themselves poorly. Most (not all) appear to be those living in denial that human activities are causing climate change.

Maybe these people are driven to comment this way because they have been sucked into thinking that the science is somehow wrong? (If that's the case, exactly what's  your science? That there is zero impact? Can you prove that? what is most likely?) Maybe some are jealous? Maybe some are 'trolls having a laugh'? 

But to suggest that Greta would have had more impact sitting at home is pretty silly, particularly in a thread created because Greta decided to sail across the Atlantic in November.

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2 minutes ago, MidPack said:

Wonder if we’ll hear updates from the doubters early on this thread? Not holding my breath.
 

Looks like they made it with nothing but easily resolved issues despite the weather and an extremely shorthanded Atlantic passage. Congrats to Nikki and Riley, result. I’m glad she made it safely but I could care less about the Greta circus, but I’m impressed with Riley, Nikki and Elayna.

Who were the doubters? Seriously.

I would be one I'm sure. I thought it imprudent. But they had pro weather routing. And still got lucky. They were able to slow down to let that Sebastien go by. They don't have the speed to actually "sail around" stuff very well. Without routing they would have first been hammered by 40 knot gusting 50 from the WSW in the beginning of the trip, then they would have been exactly slammed by Sebastien.

When I did the transatlantic, we had weather fax. We could see what was coming. But at 6 knots what can you do? Sail the great circle. They had 10 knots at their disposal, they weren't actually racing (so slowing was an option) and they had pro routers.

You can do a lot when you have the resources. They basically doublehanded across the North Atlantic in the fall. It would have been horrifying if something had gone wrong. But the odds were still with them.

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And the Greta obsessions continue - well done guys.  And that should be good enough for another downvote from my lil bud bodega87 whom I believe resides in Pusstralia.

 

edit; well, haven't lost my fan club - thanks fast - I mean who would conceive of a situation where a bunch of old guys who rag on a young girl would be so sensitive to criticism?

Inconceivable

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5 minutes ago, Bruce Hudson said:

But to suggest that Greta would have had more impact sitting at home is pretty silly, particularly in a thread created because Greta decided to sail across the Atlantic in November.

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Um, no.

Because Greta's FATHER decided to let her sail across the Atlantic in November.

Get your FACTS straight. Bruce. Sheesh.

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10 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

Who were the doubters? Seriously..

There  were several on this thread as they set off, you can reread if you care to. I considered quoting them, but decided against it. Why bother knowing none of them would admit they weren’t qualified to judge, and 99% of forum posters never acknowledge their mistakes anyway...

BTW, any comment on their result now? Just lucky?

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8 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

And the Greta obsessions continue - well done guys.  And that should be good enough for another downvote from my lil bud bodega87 whom I believe resides in Pusstralia.

 

edit; well, haven't lost my fan club - thanks fast - I mean who would conceive of a situation where a bunch of old guys who rag on a young girl would be so sensitive to criticism?

Inconceivable

I couldn't resist. You asked for a downvote. I just couldn't resist! A bit of mewling and it is light humour for what has turned out to be an absurdly dark morning here in the Fast studio.

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She's apparently had a gentle enough ride to compose this collaborative paen while being ferried across the Atlantic at great expense & carbon footprint compared to a coach seat on an airplane.

 

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 After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all. Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities.

Good ghostwriter(s) or merely the result of missing all those classes? 

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4 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

Um, no.

Because Greta's FATHER decided to let her sail across the Atlantic in November.

Get your FACTS straight. Bruce. Sheesh.

What Greta says: “I decided to sail to highlight the fact that you can’t live sustainably in today’s society,”

You are very consistent in talking down Greta's message @fastyacht - trying to nitpick where ever you can. Care to share what is really troubling you here on this public forum?

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5 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

She's apparently had a gentle enough ride to compose this collaborative paen while being ferried across the Atlantic at great expense & carbon footprint compared to a coach seat on an airplane.

 

Good ghostwriter(s) or merely the result of missing all those classes? 

Quote from Greta:

"  After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all. Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities. "

Sounds like every sophomoric would be communist from SUNY Oneonta I've met before.

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1 minute ago, Bruce Hudson said:

What Greta says: “I decided to sail to highlight the fact that you can’t live sustainably in today’s society,”

You are very consistent in talking down Greta's message @fastyacht - trying to nitpick where ever you can. Care to share what is really troubling you here on this public forum?

She's 16 years old dude. She cannot go aboard that boat for that crossing without parental permission. Simply not possible. Nothing troubling. Just correcting your facts.

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3 minutes ago, Bruce Hudson said:

What Greta says: “I decided to sail to highlight the fact that you can’t live sustainably in today’s society,”

You are very consistent in talking down Greta's message @fastyacht - trying to nitpick where ever you can. Care to share what is really troubling you here on this public forum?

Another provocation regarding whose Kool-Aid is better. You won’t change your mind and you haven’t changed any minds, but rant away. Just wish you’d all take it to PA...

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2 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

Sounds like every sophomoric would be communist from SUNY Oneonta I've met before.

Greta et al speak clearly against "systems of oppression" - and this is your response?

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23 minutes ago, Bruce Hudson said:

There seems to be several people here commenting on what they think is hypocrisy.

Here's a question and answer at the press conference delivered to the small crowd a few minutes ago in Libson:

Journalist from Madrid: Many of us have got here by plane, as you can imagine I came from Madrid. So my question is for those who can't afford travelling by sailing boat what cheap options would you recommend to take?

Greta: We're not doing this trip and I'm not travelling like this because I want everyone to do so. I'm doing this to send a message that it is impossible to live sustainable today and that needs to change. It needs to become much easier. We can't all rely on people like this to sail you across an ocean, that is absurd. I'm not telling anyone else how to travel or how not to travel but there are more sustainable alternatives, but I'm not telling anyone else what to do. 

Seems to me there is not much hypocrisy going on, rather a few people who have unthinkingly joined in a chorus that promotes themselves poorly. Most (not all) appear to be those living in denial that human activities are causing climate change.

Maybe these people are driven to comment this way because they have been sucked into thinking that the science is somehow wrong? (If that's the case, exactly what's  your science? That there is zero impact? Can you prove that? what is most likely?) Maybe some are jealous? Maybe some are 'trolls having a laugh'? 

But to suggest that Greta would have had more impact sitting at home is pretty silly, particularly in a thread created because Greta decided to sail across the Atlantic in November.

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So it’s all about St Greta, not about the environment?

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5 minutes ago, Bruce Hudson said:

Greta et al speak clearly against "systems of oppression" - and this is your response?

You had to be there. I guess you haven't had to interact with American Communist Party members. I have. So this kind of language is nothing new. "Dismantle it all." "Colonial." "Racist." So let me get this straight. She is from Sweden. Other than the recent business with Syrians (rather ham fisted) she knows nothing about it.

"colonial."??? Um, what? Who is a colony?  That's the point. This is old borrowed language. BOOOOORING.

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7 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

You had to be there. I guess you haven't had to interact with American Communist Party members. I have. So this kind of language is nothing new. "Dismantle it all." "Colonial." "Racist." So let me get this straight. She is from Sweden. Other than the recent business with Syrians (rather ham fisted) she knows nothing about it.

"colonial."??? Um, what? Who is a colony?  That's the point. This is old borrowed language. BOOOOORING.

Not even "borrowed" all that's missing is a discussion of Dialectical materialism and the intersectionality thereof. 

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Spectacular marketing for all involved...

Well done to everyone's marketing department.

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22 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

I couldn't resist. You asked for a downvote. I just couldn't resist! A bit of mewling and it is light humour for what has turned out to be an absurdly dark morning here in the Fast studio.

The entire thread(s) has been dark and over the top thus my involvement back at the beginning.  My comment was on bodega87 downvoting my post #1599 after a couple of days - I mean wtf is up with that?  The unhoppy posse? Full grown men and one young girl.

As to Greta, at least on SA she is comparable to Joan of Arc.

 

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2 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

You had to be there. I guess you haven't had to interact with American Communist Party members. I have. So this kind of language is nothing new. "Dismantle it all." "Colonial." "Racist." So let me get this straight. She is from Sweden. Other than the recent business (rather ham fisted) she knows nothing about it.

"colonial."??? Um, what? Who is a colony?  That's the point. This is old borrowed language. BOOOOORING.

I understand the barely related topic you are connecting here. Where Greta is coming from is more aligned with George Monbiot than with the likes of Richard Wolff.

Her statement that you were commenting on was "After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all.  Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities." - and from that you mention a tiny organization in a country that has around 4% of the world's population?

The notion that Greta was talking about the American Communist Party is false.

Colonial systems of oppression from a European perspective often refers to Africa, Asia, Central America and South America - and is often directed at European and American colonial systems.  Even though Greta is a teenager, she seems to have grasped this concept of global colonialism better than you, @fastyacht.

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36 minutes ago, Bruce Hudson said:

 

But to suggest that Greta would have had more impact sitting at home is pretty silly, particularly in a thread created because Greta decided to sail across the Atlantic in November.

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She didn’t decide. It was decided for her and a couple of publicity hungry vloggers risked their family’s life and well being in the journey.
 

If it were up to her, she’d still be sitting in front of the Parliament building wondering what her classmates are learning while she sat on her little ass and made a difference to some rich assholes that have been using her to get richer by the panicked minute.

I’m going to jump on board as soon as I  can figure out how I can make a positive impact to my bank account. Time’s awastin’ and the fire is in the house. Need to get in on it before the public figures out the scam

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2 minutes ago, Bruce Hudson said:

I understand the barely related topic you are connecting here. Where Greta is coming from is more aligned with George Monbiot than with the likes of Richard Wolff.

Her statement that you were commenting on was "After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all.  Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities." - and from that you mention a tiny organization in a country that has around 4% of the world's population?

The notion that Greta was talking about the American Communist Party is false.

Colonial systems of oppression from a European perspective often refers to Africa, Asia, Central America and South America - and is often directed at European and American colonial systems.  Even though Greta is a teenager, she seems to have grasped this concept of global colonialism better than you, @fastyacht.

Dud, you are drawing false shit. I never said that Greta was mentioning American Communists. READ CAREFULLY.  I did say that having dealt with them, this is familiar LANGUAGE.

European states lost their colnies in 1945. It was WWII. Ended that paradigm.

 

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6 minutes ago, Bruce Hudson said:

The notion that Greta was talking about the American Communist Party is false.

 Colonial systems of oppression from a European perspective often refers to Africa, Asia, Central America and South America - and is often directed at European and American colonial systems.  Even though Greta is a teenager, she seems to have grasped this concept of global colonialism better than you,

Don't think anyone but you suggested that she was talking ABOUT the American Communist Party, 

just that she SOUNDS like their cant in her rant. It's recycled talking points, that seem to eventually spew from every one of the progressive puppets when their handlers get over excited and can't remember their lines need to be modulated to avoid scaring the rubes. 

 

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1 minute ago, fastyacht said:

Dud, you are drawing false shit. I never said that Greta was mentioning American Communists. READ CAREFULLY.  I did say that having dealt with them, this is familiar LANGUAGE.

European states lost their colnies in 1945. It was WWII. Ended that paradigm.

You assume I did not understand. Your reading comprehension here is pretty low here @fastyacht. I said it is more to do with George M than with Richard W, my intention was to highlight their respective language surrounding their notions the evils of capitalism. (Incidentally, their ideas are not mine). I am familiar with the language both use and their differences, and pointed out that difference to you.

Some European countries lost their colonies before 1945, some after. Some colonies still exist. The colonial paradigm is alive and well in 2019.

If you are genuinely interested, then there is a lot written on the topic, also the related topics of neocolonialism and internal colonialism.

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18 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

or in the case of North America, a bit earlier... 

Nope. British North American colonialism ended when Newfoundland and Labrador were incorporated into Canada 1949. 

You might want to brush up on colonialism before agreeing with Fastyacht's misinformed notions.

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Just now, Bruce Hudson said:

You assume I did not understand. Your reading comprehension here is pretty low here @fastyacht. I said it is more to do with George M than with Richard W, my intention was to highlight their respective language surrounding their notions the evils of capitalism. (Incidentally, their ideas are not mine). I am familiar with the language both use and their differences, and pointed out that difference to you.

Some European countries lost their colonies before 1945, some after. Some colonies still exist. The colonial paradigm is alive and well in 2019.

If you are genuinely interested, then there is a lot written on the topic, also the related topics of neocolonialism and internal colonialism.

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Nope. British North American colonialism ended when Newfoundland and Labrador were incorporated into Canada 1949. 

You might want to brush up on colonialism before agreeing with Fastyacht's misinformed notions.

Just go away.

I read your bullshit namedropping but ignored it, you putz. That was NEVER part of the discussion and I  did not respond to it, so you have nothing but grandstanding going on with that.

As for "colonialism" you are quibbling with my WWII point. Just quibbling. Everybody knows that India gained independence a bit later, and also that there are some tiny pieces of former colonial empires floating around in Caribbean or other god forsaken parts of the wet wonderland.
As for "North American" colonialism well, depends on how you define "colonialism."  Canada is still part of the commonwealth. She still has a queen. But Canada is not a colony. So quibble away.

The American Communist Party had a hard-on regarding banana republics. The rather shameful situation is usually ignored by Republicans because it is not consistent with talking points. I am an equal opportunity basher but at the moment, dud, you are the one getting rammed.

Do note that there is nothing left to say here except that you are very focused on twisting other people's words. I think it is annoying.

You probably noticed that I did not speak against you until quite recently. But at that point, I saw what you were doing and decided it was time.

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Now that Greta has arrived in Portugal, all the experts, nattering nabobs of negativity, and naysayers are continuing with the expert attacks, nattering and nay saying.

I don't give a shit about the politics, the circus and all that stuff.  What I see a teen girl that expressed her feelings about a serious issue and became an overnight internet sensation.  In the aftermath she has attracted a lot of attention from a lot of people, both positive and negative.  Some of the attacks are unwarrented, shameful and hateful.

Could somebody please tell me why many here and elsewhere feel compelled to dog pile on a young girl that expressed her opinions on a very real danger to our world?  Many people cry about the lazy youth, that all they care about is social media and other useless pursuits and one f these kids speaks up, brings a lot of attention to climate issues and she is pilloried for it.  And the critics here are all grown men (chronologically anyway)and a couple of women.  I don't give a shit if Greta is right or wrong ( I do think she is brave and on the right track), but I find the behavior of many here despicable, depraved and downright disgusting.  

How boring and empty are your lives that you can spend hours on an internet forum disparaging a teen age girl?  Are you proud of yourselves?  Do you think what you are doing is going to change anything?  Especially since many of the arguments violate all the rules of rhetoric, employing ad hominem, straw men, false dilemas, and other logical fallacies, ad nauseam.

FFS, can't you do something better with your time like share your latest dinner on Instagram or something?  You should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Bruce Hudson said:

.  Even though Greta is a teenager, she seems to have grasped this concept of global colonialism better than you, @fastyacht.

Don’t think so. If she could grasp it, she would be able to answer simple questions during interviews where her team isn’t there to support her and give her the answers. When her handlers aren’t there she seems to dumb down to the level of the average teenager. 

I hope she learned something about sailing on the way over. It’s not like she and her Dad were writing speeches and talking points for the cause for those long two weeks at sea. 
 

Why don’t we just admit that the kid is being used as an angry tool for billionaires to profit. It would be a cathartic revelation and we could all have a good laugh about some of us here being duped by the Man once again!

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Ed, with respect, I think you are creating a Straw Man.

Greta is a teen but she is also playing in the big leagues. NOBODY gets a pass when in the big leagues. Nobody is disparaging her as a human a kid, etc (OK maybe you feel that Hoppy is because he was fascinated by certain issues that were published by conspiracy theorists. I believe Hoppy is more concerned for her well-being but maye Im just the magnanimous type). She writes stuff for public consumption, it is fair game for criticism. That's life. If she wrote that essay in her 10th grade civics class that would be fine. Still sophomoric but hey, 10th graders are sophomores.

 

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1 minute ago, fastyacht said:

Ed, with respect, I think you are creating a Straw Man.

Greta is a teen but she is also playing in the big leagues. NOBODY gets a pass when in the big leagues. Nobody is disparaging her as a human a kid, etc (OK maybe you feel that Hoppy is because he was fascinated by certain issues that were published by conspiracy theorists). She writes stuff for public consumption, it is fair game for criticism. That's life. If she wrote that essay in her 10th grade civics class that would be fine. Still sophomoric but hey, 10th graders are sophomores.

 

I just don't see a straw man, sorry.  

I think she is genuinely concerned, probably being used and manipulated to an extent and of course she is young and sopohmoric.  But she has obtained quite a platform, so she has done something with some validity or there wouldn't be so much attention focused on her and by extension her cause.  (cue all kinds of conspiracy, political, deep state, etc. theories here) .

There are certainly plenty of areas that can be legitimately criticized, but the amount of crude, ignorant, terrible attacks on this girl make me sick.  Attack her handlers, attack those who don't disagree with you, attack her adult supporters if you like, but leave the kid alone.  I don't think that's asking too much. If you must criticize her, then do it right.  Use logical arguments, use facts, use some decorum.  Attacking her looks, her autism and other personal jibes are just out of bounds in my opinion.  It's like when people were making fun of Barron Trump.  I loath Donald Trump but I sure as shit am not going to attack his little kid, he is didn't chose his gene pool.  The older sons are fair game especially that idiot Don Jr.  Same thing with the attacks on Sarah Palin's kids a few years ago.  Or Chelsea Clinton.  Resorting to that kind of behavior advances the argument not all and the only ones that approve of those attacks are other attacking bullies.  There is no legitimate excuse for that kind of behavior in my opinion.  

Some people here have marshaled reasonable, logical arguments on both sides but they get lost in the blathering, foolish chatter.  Picking on a kid, that has passion and wants to I doubt the attackers are stupid, but they are engaging in absolutely stupid behavior for reasons that are beyond me.

I understand SA is a rough and tumble place at times and trolling can be a blood sport here.  Fine but keep it for the adults. 

What if Greta was one of your kids?  And please don't tell me your kid would never do something like that or you wouldn't allow them.  And please don't tell me that by speaking out, Greta brought this on herself, which is a really a sociopathic rationalization.  

 

I don't have a lot of rules in my life but I have three big ones.  I developed these rules while working with family violence and abuse.  I think they are reasonable rules.  I don't see any legitimate reason to break any of these rules.

1. A man never should  use violence on a woman.  (obviously except in an extreme [and extremely unusual case] where your life is in real danger)

2. Nobody should ever use any violence (spanking is violence, not legitimate discipline in my opinion) on a child.

3.  You don't fuck children.

And I will apparently out of necessity add a 4th rule:

4.  Adults shouldn't bully children.

 

Greta at times appears to be the only adult in this room.

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2 hours ago, Bruce Hudson said:

What Greta says: “I decided to sail to highlight the fact that you can’t live sustainably in today’s society,”

You are very consistent in talking down Greta's message @fastyacht - trying to nitpick where ever you can. Care to share what is really troubling you here on this public forum?

How she got there on a carbon rich platform is besides the point. At least she has tripped around some of the world, hung out with actors who personally own and use jet airplanes and 4 wheel drive unimogs and has had her fun posing with celebs and diplomats all at the expense of some super rich people backing her.
 

If I were an angry young environmentalist, the last thing I would want spread around social media is me associating with anyone like that at all-the worst of all offenders besides the poor and uneducated.
 

It wouldn’t sound the same if her 60 something wealthy backer was shouting at us through the U.N. 

Maybe that is what is really troubling...

 

Ed, we’re bashing the system, not the kid. She has a big heart and a good idea of how to get people fired up on either side of the aisle. Passion is anger and emotion combined. She has it. I also had it when I was a teenager and was going to change the world.

I worked for Clean Water Action and Clean Air Action in the 80’s so that she could have some clean water and air even though the lobbyists didn’t want to lose their gravy train. It was a good fight and pretty vindicating knowing that a real fight has real consequences.

She might win big, but I’m not holding my breath for the U.N. to step up and lay down for her or the cause. Change happens through meetings, cooperation and effort. Grandstanding-not so much. That just creates martyrs for the cause. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, fastyacht said:

Just go away.

I read your bullshit namedropping but ignored it, you putz. That was NEVER part of the discussion and I  did not respond to it, so you have nothing but grandstanding going on with that.

As for "colonialism" you are quibbling with my WWII point. Just quibbling. Everybody knows that India gained independence a bit later, and also that there are some tiny pieces of former colonial empires floating around in Caribbean or other god forsaken parts of the wet wonderland.
As for "North American" colonialism well, depends on how you define "colonialism."  Canada is still part of the commonwealth. She still has a queen. But Canada is not a colony. So quibble away.

The American Communist Party had a hard-on regarding banana republics. The rather shameful situation is usually ignored by Republicans because it is not consistent with talking points. I am an equal opportunity basher but at the moment, dud, you are the one getting rammed.

Do note that there is nothing left to say here except that you are very focused on twisting other people's words. I think it is annoying.

You probably noticed that I did not speak against you until quite recently. But at that point, I saw what you were doing and decided it was time.

Are you really trying to justify your ill informed, incorrect statements?

What the American Communist Party (who you introduced) means by "Dismantle it all" is quite different to what Greta meant. Now you harping on more about the American Communist Party. Richard Wolff (one of the most prominent Marxists in the US) would be pleased with your efforts.

The name of the last colony in North America was actually called "British North America", Newfoundland was renamed "Dominion of Newfoundland" in 1907, and was literally a colony of the British Empire. It ended in 1949 with Newfoundland becoming part of Canada, and the province is now called "Newfoundland and Labrador". You say I am quibbling over statement that colonialism ended in North America well before 1945. You are saying I'm quibbling, whereas what I am actually saying is that your statement was false. Exactly how did I twist your words? Is it possible you did not say what you intended?

1 hour ago, fastyacht said:

Just go away.

Your request is respectfully declined. :)  

Tip: If you don't want me contradicting your false statements, don't make them in the first place.

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4 minutes ago, Bruce Hudson said:

Are you really trying to justify your ill informed, incorrect statements?

What the American Communist Party (who you introduced) means by "Dismantle it all" is quite different to what Greta meant. Now you harping on more about the American Communist Party. Richard Wolff (one of the most prominent Marxists in the US) would be pleased with your efforts.

The name of the last colony in North America was actually called "British North America", Newfoundland was renamed "Dominion of Newfoundland" in 1907, and was literally a colony of the British Empire. It ended in 1949 with Newfoundland becoming part of Canada, and the province is now called "Newfoundland and Labrador". You say I am quibbling over statement that colonialism ended in North America well before 1945. You are saying I'm quibbling, whereas what I am actually saying is that your statement was false. Exactly how did I twist your words? Is it possible you did not say what you intended?

Your request is respectfully declined. :)  

Tip: If you don't want me contradicting your false statements, don't make them in the first place.

Clickbait.

More clickbait.

Stop name dropping commies.

 

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Let’s face it, Caitlyn, colonialism started to really die in out the Middle East after WWII when the new Israelis would roll barrel bombs down hill into the homes of the British military brass to dislodge them from their newfound territory. At least they had the forethought to knock on the Brit’s doors and inform them of their plan and give them time to pack their shit up and leave first. 
 

The French has a hell of a time with the Communist onslaught in the 50’s in Asia and hit the road leaving the US holding the ball against the Commies (for better or worse). Of course Africa is another story altogether...

twist away...

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1 hour ago, Sail4beer said:

Don’t think so. If she could grasp it, she would be able to answer simple questions during interviews where her team isn’t there to support her and give her the answers. When her handlers aren’t there she seems to dumb down to the level of the average teenager. 

We just watched a press conference in Lisbon where Greta answered questions without being given answers. 

My hope is that Greta is an average teenager. But anyone who cares to look can see that she answers questions on her own.

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2 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

Clickbait.

More clickbait.

Stop name dropping commies.

Did you have a reason to promote the American Communist Party the way you did - or was than another 'unintended mistake'?

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36 minutes ago, Sail4beer said:

If I were an angry young environmentalist, the last thing I would want spread around social media is me associating with anyone like that at all-the worst of all offenders besides the poor and uneducated.

I can't confirm if you are young or old, rich or poor, an environmentalist or not (it seems not), however you have been very effective in promoting yourself as uneducated. Well done.

For example:

1 hour ago, Sail4beer said:

Why don’t we just admit that the kid is being used as an angry tool for billionaires to profit. It would be a cathartic revelation and we could all have a good laugh about some of us here being duped by the Man once again!

Perhaps one day you'll have a cathartic revelation that Greta says what she thinks, and is opposed by billionaires who profit from the burning of fossil fuels.

It could be your intention was to troll just a little. Well done. Every little insidious thing said against Greta makes a difference in your mind, right?

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Hopefully most of the 26,000+ participants (about 190 planeloads on average) attending COP25 didn't fly in from all over the world, Greta might be "angry" at them too after she spend 3 weeks on a catamaran. Hopefully they all recruited about 6,000 catamarans to sail them in...

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