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Hey folks!! Squeaky here! Hahaha I'll start by saying thank you for the hundreds of giggles that you all gave me with this thread!!!! Its pretty epic! Never thought I'd go along with a group of folks

FTFY. It's a catamaran...

Bahahahahah!!!! I had fun with this!! 

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1 hour ago, basketcase said:

True, but to it properly. 

 And I'm pretty sure they were smart enough to use deck screws in the deck.

Good point - I’m sure they’ll save the drywall screws for the interior where they belong, and tape and mud over them properly. 

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On 2/15/2020 at 9:29 AM, SaltyMerlin said:

He's not OK with a $25-30k catamaran, but he's OK with a 6k catamaran that needs 20k worth of hardware, sails, rigging, rudders rutters, fiberglass, interior and electronics?

Think of it as interest-free credit installment payments. Instead of one large chunk of cash, which they don't have, they make incremental payments and [try to] fix what they can, when they can.

A much more sound way to blow your cash than to go into credit debt for a yacht. Just sayin'...

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Here's the thing...this $6k craft will probably get them to Florida.  Rudder, spars, rigging, and sails?  They don't even know how to sail.

If they had bought a fully outfitted $30k cat, their story would be nowhere near as compelling to anyone let alone the people on here.  Would there even have been a thread here on SA about them?

It just may be that these two hayseeds are not quite the rubes everyone is making them out to be. 

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Ok, I'll admit, I haven't read every post.  But didn't the original video of the boat show it with the mast down on the deck???  Where did it go???

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In this latest installment, they have a great voiceover which addresses in a very tongue-in-cheek manner many of the 'concerns' or issues stated in the YT Comments and places like the Forum threads here (ie; Bondo, cheap old leaky boat, noobs, non-marine hardware, etc etc). They are aware of the criticism, the skeptical, and the reasons for it - but I think this is a reveal that they also know that there is no such thing as bad free publicity.
Makes me think that perhaps, just perhaps, this is a craftier planned venture WRT drawing views (& Patreons) than most of us have otherwise been giving them credit for.

If so: Well played. Well played, indeed. :)

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47 minutes ago, Cristoforo said:

Breakfasts are provided by Stuckys

Post of the day - and it's only 7:37EST! :lol:

 

1 hour ago, CapnK said:

Makes me think that perhaps, just perhaps, this is a craftier planned venture WRT drawing views (& Patreons) than most of us have otherwise been giving them credit for.

If so: Well played. Well played, indeed. :)

Told ya! This Trevor cat has been playing his series just right. And look, they waited until they had the calmest morning crossing I've ever seen on the Albemarle Sound. 

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5 hours ago, 12 metre said:

Here's the thing...this $6k craft will probably get them to Florida.  Rudder, spars, rigging, and sails?  They don't even know how to sail.

If they had bought a fully outfitted $30k cat, their story would be nowhere near as compelling to anyone let alone the people on here.  Would there even have been a thread here on SA about them?

It just may be that these two hayseeds are not quite the rubes everyone is making them out to be. 

Nah, they're dumb as shit.

Crafty marketing plan, perhaps, for people who are clueless and dwell so exclusively in the world of cell-phone social media that they are as unaware of the rest of the world as they are of how boats work. But that still leaves them dumb as shit. And if they're making more than pennies off this U-Tube stuff, I'd be very surprised. It just doesn't generate much income unless you get a lot more patrons and WAY lot more hits

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51 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Nah, they're dumb as shit.

Crafty marketing plan, perhaps, for people who are clueless and dwell so exclusively in the world of cell-phone social media that they are as unaware of the rest of the world as they are of how boats work. But that still leaves them dumb as shit. And if they're making more than pennies off this U-Tube stuff, I'd be very surprised. It just doesn't generate much income unless you get a lot more patrons and WAY lot more hits

- DSK

But he juggles too!

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1 hour ago, atyourcervix said:

If you think they're some kind of internet cinematic virtuosos you're out of your fucking mind.

LOL there's a big difference between being a cinematic virtuoso and just delivering a self-aware farce.

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3 minutes ago, Israel Hands said:
29 minutes ago, atyourcervix said:

you still give them way too much credit.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯     I just hope they keep delivering some good fuel for this thread. It's like the MST3K of sailing videos.

You're new here, aren't you? Check out the Hot Rod's Catamabarge thread... slow to start with the real anarchy, since so many people gave him the benefit of the doubt at first. But holy crap now that was an amazing ride, with an ending that many predicted except far more bizarre: nobody predicted pregnant hermaphrodites and cannibalism.

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On 2/14/2020 at 2:17 PM, Somebody Else said:

You all can skip this video. There is zero Iroquois content except for the opening scene where they proclaim wonder that it did not sink. Mostly just Squeaky prancing about and not shutting up. There are insufficient shots of Mrs. Manbun.

Oh fuck you dead SE. Now I will have to go watch the fucking vid just to see what hapless creature actually married manbun. Thanks you fucker...

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6 hours ago, CapnK said:

In this latest installment, they have a great voiceover which addresses in a very tongue-in-cheek manner many of the 'concerns' or issues stated in the YT Comments and places like the Forum threads here (ie; Bondo, cheap old leaky boat, noobs, non-marine hardware, etc etc). They are aware of the criticism, the skeptical, and the reasons for it - but I think this is a reveal that they also know that there is no such thing as bad free publicity.
Makes me think that perhaps, just perhaps, this is a craftier planned venture WRT drawing views (& Patreons) than most of us have otherwise been giving them credit for.

If so: Well played. Well played, indeed. :)

I agree.  I don't think they are as stupid as they appear to be.  Well, him anyway.  The girl, I'm not so sure.

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19 minutes ago, OldmateFred said:

I take it the bridge operator wasn't happy that they were not on the radio around 5:10

Is there a set process that they should be following there?

Here in the Carolina's, for some reason they keep track of the transient boats as they pass by. I don't think it's a law, more of a policy. Maybe to justify funding? If the vessel name and hailing port aren't readily visible, they'll call on the VHF sometimes to get it from you. That was my guess as to what was happening there.

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16 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Nah, they're dumb as shit.

Crafty marketing plan, perhaps, for people who are clueless and dwell so exclusively in the world of cell-phone social media that they are as unaware of the rest of the world as they are of how boats work. But that still leaves them dumb as shit. And if they're making more than pennies off this U-Tube stuff, I'd be very surprised. It just doesn't generate much income unless you get a lot more patrons and WAY lot more hits

- DSK

This!

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It might be noted on the chart to monitor or hail VHF channel 12 or one of the other Port Operations VTS channels when nearing a draw bridge or that specific bridge. I'm guessing that note wouldn't be on the AAA folding map or Stuckey's place mat or Google Maps or whatever it is they are using.

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1 minute ago, Somebody Else said:

It might be noted on the chart to monitor or hail VHF channel 12 or one of the other Port Operations VTS channels when nearing a draw bridge or that specific bridge. I'm guessing that note wouldn't be on the AAA folding map or Stuckey's place mat or Google Maps or whatever it is they are using.

Yup, would take some of the adventure out of the trip to actually do some research about "proper" protocols.

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2 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

Did you watch it? They are on a quest, a la Lord of the Rings. Nicely done! :lol:

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I think that it is a hell of an accomplishment that they got to the other side of the mill pond, with that motor and that boat, in the weather window they picked. Bravo Zulu Gomer and Squeaky.  Bravo Zulu 

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8 hours ago, Somebody Else said:

Did I get it wrong?

Aren't Gomer and Squeaky the idiots taking the rutterless Iroquois to Floridah?

It just didn't make it clear which one was the retarded one. ;)

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On 2/18/2020 at 5:30 AM, CapnK said:

In this latest installment, they have a great voiceover which addresses in a very tongue-in-cheek manner many of the 'concerns' or issues stated in the YT Comments and places like the Forum threads here (ie; Bondo, cheap old leaky boat, noobs, non-marine hardware, etc etc). They are aware of the criticism, the skeptical, and the reasons for it - but I think this is a reveal that they also know that there is no such thing as bad free publicity.
Makes me think that perhaps, just perhaps, this is a craftier planned venture WRT drawing views (& Patreons) than most of us have otherwise been giving them credit for.

If so: Well played. Well played, indeed. :)

I read that the average intake on youtube videos per thousand views is about $7.32.  So at the 14k views that he's got on the most recent Aberlemarle crossing video, he's at about $103.  He's a far cry from getting cash-flow positive.

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4 hours ago, Looper said:

I read that the average intake on youtube videos per thousand views is about $7.32.  So at the 14k views that he's got on the most recent Aberlemarle crossing video, he's at about $103.  He's a far cry from getting cash-flow positive.

Granted, a buck-o-three per vid probably doesn't cover the time spent on editing, not at any decent hourly wage, but intended or not they are building an audience on YT to send over to their patronage page, and getting lots of exposure at sites like this one with their , erm, "boating adventure".

I remember about 5 years ago watching the first couple of videos of a young couple from Oz on their charter fleet Beneteau. They weren't making any money then, but in just a couple of years they got kinda famous...

I doubt these two will see that kind of success, but if they get to a monthly income of a couple or three grand, it'll become self-sustaining. Maybe one day they'll even be able to afford a mast stick, and some of those steery-things for the back of the boat...

 

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37 minutes ago, CapnK said:

Granted, a buck-o-three per vid probably doesn't cover the time spent on editing, not at any decent hourly wage, but intended or not they are building an audience on YT to send over to their patronage page, and getting lots of exposure at sites like this one with their , erm, "boating adventure".

I remember about 5 years ago watching the first couple of videos of a young couple from Oz on their charter fleet Beneteau. They weren't making any money then, but in just a couple of years they got kinda famous...

I doubt these two will see that kind of success, but if they get to a monthly income of a couple or three grand, it'll become self-sustaining. Maybe one day they'll even be able to afford a mast stick, and some of those steery-things for the back of the boat...

 

The youtyube earnings are severely nonlinear and youtube keeps raising the bar. You have to be at close to 1 million videws per vid to actualy get paid in the sense of "self sustaioning" You don't eben qualify for a single cent until you pass a subscrier threshold (tesms of thousands I think now).

IT isn't at all like a few years ago when you coul make a couple hundred bucks off a 40k vid.

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6 hours ago, fastyacht said:

The youtyube earnings are severely nonlinear and youtube keeps raising the bar. You have to be at close to 1 million videws per vid to actualy get paid in the sense of "self sustaioning" You don't eben qualify for a single cent until you pass a subscrier threshold (tesms of thousands I think now).

IT isn't at all like a few years ago when you coul make a couple hundred bucks off a 40k vid.

The threshold is 1000 subscribers, and then youtube reviews the channel which can take months. Then after that you can put adverts on the videos, and you get roughly 1000e per 1 million views (based on my experience).

But apparently the revenue is based on what sort of adverts, for example if you are making videos about buying houses there is a good chance your audience want to buy a house... So the ROI for a company advertising on these videos is higher, and they pay more to have adverts on these vids.

Some weird guy refitting a shit boat in the south of Ireland... his audience are probably buying boat stuff which won't have the same ROI, so he makes sweet, sweet fuck all off ad revenue. I think back in the day it was a lot more lucrative, not so much now unless you're getting millions of views a week. 

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22 minutes ago, Zora said:

The threshold is 1000 subscribers, and then youtube reviews the channel which can take months. Then after that you can put adverts on the videos, and you get roughly 1000e per 1 million views (based on my experience).

But apparently the revenue is based on what sort of adverts, for example if you are making videos about buying houses there is a good chance your audience want to buy a house... So the ROI for a company advertising on these videos is higher, and they pay more to have adverts on these vids.

Some weird guy refitting a shit boat in the south of Ireland... his audience are probably buying boat stuff which won't have the same ROI, so he makes sweet, sweet fuck all off ad revenue. I think back in the day it was a lot more lucrative, not so much now unless you're getting millions of views a week. 

Speaking of refitting shit boats, has it stopped snowing so you can get back to work yet? I'm getting ready to haul out soon, we've got quite a few hours up over summer and still got maybe 2 months of decent sailing weather left.

And I'm still adding bits to the boat..... I knew it'd take at least a year to show me what I'd not thought of during the build. A few more deck penetrations for example.

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Really good to see that everything is secure for the passing boat wakes, it will be a BIG wake up call if the wind ever blows on their adventure.  Sure everything will stay in it's place and the rusty (trusty) kicker will weather the storm.  At least they won't have to do without caffeine.

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There's nothing safer then a red plastic fuel tank stored loose on deck with the pouring nozzle in place...... :o

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

True

And so far, their videos have given me the feeling that the harder one looks, the more time one wastes looking

- DSK

Next episode they should be near your home port Steam...will we get to see you toss em a dock line? :D

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7 minutes ago, Israel Hands said:
1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

True

And so far, their videos have given me the feeling that the harder one looks, the more time one wastes looking

 

Next episode they should be near your home port Steam...will we get to see you toss em a dock line? 

We're far enough off the waterway that it's extremely unlikely. Some of our brethren down in O-ville, maybe.

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Is it wrong for me to wish a small bank of dense fog on these two to introduce the concept of what a compass is for?  Has anyone even seen a compass on board?

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32 minutes ago, Willin' said:

Is it wrong for me to wish a small bank of dense fog on these two to introduce the concept of what a compass is for?  Has anyone even seen a compass on board?

Compass is old skool. These kids know way better: they have iphones dontcha know?

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11 hours ago, zenmasterfred said:

Really good to see that everything is secure for the passing boat wakes, it will be a BIG wake up call if the wind ever blows on their adventure.  Sure everything will stay in it's place and the rusty (trusty) kicker will weather the storm.  At least they won't have to do without caffeine.

I was expecting to see the plywood fall out of the fore decks, but i guess they left in the deck screws. 

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2 hours ago, fastyacht said:

Compass is old skool. These kids know way better: they have iphones dontcha know?

Interesting one. While, if they used it properly the compass would be the more robust solution, I suspect on balance they are better relying on their phones. Unless they are disciplined about plotting their current position, knowing which way north points will not help them much.

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On 2/20/2020 at 1:25 AM, Fah Kiew Tu said:

 

And I'm still adding bits to the boat..... I knew it'd take at least a year to show me what I'd not thought of during the build. A few more deck penetrations for example.

FKT

Bondo for the inside of the roof only FKT.   I thought someone with your experience would know this!

Have you not been paying attention?

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42 minutes ago, JohnMB said:

Interesting one. While, if they used it properly the compass would be the more robust solution, I suspect on balance they are better relying on their phones. Unless they are disciplined about plotting their current position, knowing which way north points will not help them much.

You're right, his continual reference to 'maps' leads me to believe he couldn't navigate even with a compass and charts. They've already almost sailed out of sight of land accidentally. Will their ipad navionics be of use in open water though with no visible landmarks and no directional references? 

I'm just thinking if they succeed in making this trip down the ditch it might embolden them to try an offshore trip similarly ill equipped. That wouldn't be a good thing.

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Yes, saw a nice compass on his tablet!

Who needs a foggy magnetic compass anyway?

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PS. Forgot to go to next page, as you can see it's still before coffee...

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3 minutes ago, Willin' said:

You're right, his continual reference to 'maps' leads me to believe he couldn't navigate even with a compass and charts. They've already almost sailed out of sight of land accidentally. Will their ipad navionics be of use in open water though with no visible landmarks and no directional references? 

I'm just thinking if they succeed in making this trip down the ditch it might embolden them to try an offshore trip similarly ill equipped. That wouldn't be a good thing.

While i would love to see them try to cross the gulfstream in that boat, the first proper roller would send them right back in. 

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15 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Yes, saw a nice compass on his tablet!

Who needs a foggy magnetic compass anyway?

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PS. Forgot to go to next page, as you can see it's still before coffee...

Does that app work if you're out of cell tower range?

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23 minutes ago, Willin' said:

You're right, his continual reference to 'maps' leads me to believe he couldn't navigate even with a compass and charts. They've already almost sailed out of sight of land accidentally. Will their ipad navionics be of use in open water though with no visible landmarks and no directional references? 

I'm just thinking if they succeed in making this trip down the ditch it might embolden them to try an offshore trip similarly ill equipped. That wouldn't be a good thing.

And that is the stuff for the Bermuda Triangle Alumnae list 

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2 minutes ago, JohnMB said:
14 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Does that app work if you're out of cell tower range?

 

Most do just fine, they rely  on the GPS functions of tge phone not the cell data. 

"most" yeah, but do we double check before heading offshore?

I've tried sailing using the compass function on a small tablet, it sucks. You'd be better off with a map and going from GPS waypoint to GPS waypoint.

I admit, I am kind of an instrument snob

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Just now, JohnMB said:

Most do just fine, they rely  on the GPS functions of tge phone not the cell data. 

 

Correct, but it is important to have the right sensors. I think they are gravity, gyro and compass, and most newer phones have the lot. Cheap tablets not so much.

I was pleasantly surprised how well the compass app functions, much better than the old fashioned fluxgate compasses.

 

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47 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Correct, but it is important to have the right sensors. I think they are gravity, gyro and compass, and most newer phones have the lot. Cheap tablets not so much.

I was pleasantly surprised how well the compass app functions, much better than the old fashioned fluxgate compasses.

 

Fluxgate..... thats like a flux capacitor, yes? Squeaky and gomer could use one to get to Florida. Either one.

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10 hours ago, Crusty said:

These two have absolutely lucked out with the conditions on this trip and the willing help from random passers-by.  Just goes to show how great (or sympathetic) the boating community is as a whole. 

KIND OF UNPREPARED FOR?  Now that is an understatement.

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6 hours ago, Windward said:

Bondo for the inside of the roof only FKT.   I thought someone with your experience would know this!

Have you not been paying attention?

Bond, bondo - hmmm, do I use Bondo......

I can't be bothered watching this pair, it's all a bit painful really. But I give them credit for trying. And as long as they learn & improve it's all good.

Reminds me of the GF of a friend of mine - she was a fully qualified architect. They bought a block of land & started to build a tiny house to live in. Not a single clue about actual construction - she thought that if you wanted a 240 grit finish, you started with 240 grit paper and persevered. Plus buying paint, rollers and not knowing she needed a roller tray. I gave them a lot of help and advice.

But they both learned, built a cosy & functional place and were happy in it while planning the 'true' house.

So there's hope for this pair. If they're willing to learn.

FKT

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7 hours ago, Willin' said:

You're right, his continual reference to 'maps' leads me to believe he couldn't navigate even with a compass and charts. They've already almost sailed out of sight of land accidentally. Will their ipad navionics be of use in open water though with no visible landmarks and no directional references? 

I'm just thinking if they succeed in making this trip down the ditch it might embolden them to try an offshore trip similarly ill equipped. That wouldn't be a good thing.

Yep- this is inevitable. I mean, once they reach Florida alive the interest in this channel is going to drop off a cliff. They will need to start preparing for the next big adventure or (gasp) get JOBS! 

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On 2/22/2020 at 11:03 PM, zenmasterfred said:

See, under all that winter cloaking there are signs of breasts.  Can't wait for Florida.

what a fucking moron with a floppy wiener....  It must be sad to be an old dull fart, innit?

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For the record, I did not see anybody I know in that video.... kind of skimmed it.

Both of the boats at the free town dock are centerboard boats, the depth there is about 4 1/2 ft IIRC

The spot they tied up along the wall is about 2 ft or less, and I don't think there's cleats. The town probably takes a dim view of dimwits tying up to the handrail. There is also a pretty strict time limit, Oriental has had to deal with boat-dwelling freeloaders and outright thieves many times over the years.

Not that this pair is all the way down in that category

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8 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

For the record, I did not see anybody I know in that video.... kind of skimmed it.

Both of the boats at the free town dock are centerboard boats, the depth there is about 4 1/2 ft IIRC

The spot they tied up along the wall is about 2 ft or less, and I don't think there's cleats. The town probably takes a dim view of dimwits tying up to the handrail. There is also a pretty strict time limit, Oriental has had to deal with boat-dwelling freeloaders and outright thieves many times over the years.

Not that this pair is all the way down in that category

FB- Doug

My wife's comment was "hey isn't that the ice cream shop to the right there?"

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2 minutes ago, Israel Hands said:

My wife's comment was "hey isn't that the ice cream shop to the right there?"

Yep. I tend to go for coffee, until it's beer time at least... left, two blocks, then right, three blocks... (or you can cut thru the little lanes but beware, the blocks are not even)

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33 minutes ago, Santana20AE said:

Please, this is a family site.  Please stop using nasty those four letter words.  (Remember, some of us older retired folks). 

Channeling Maynard G Krebs there Santana? 

 

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18 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

"most" yeah, but do we double check before heading offshore?

I've tried sailing using the compass function on a small tablet, it sucks. You'd be better off with a map and going from GPS waypoint to GPS waypoint.

I admit, I am kind of an instrument snob

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I admit to be an instrument snob as well. I'm very snobby about instruments that work well, are easy to use, and are are reliable. :). My challenge is going to be persuading my kids to learn the old fashioned way so that when the computerized GPS enabled screen with the chart on it goes phut they still have a backup.

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7 hours ago, JohnMB said:

 

I admit to be an instrument snob as well. I'm very snobby about instruments that work well, are easy to use, and are are reliable. :). My challenge is going to be persuading my kids to learn the old fashioned way so that when the computerized GPS enabled screen with the chart on it goes phut they still have a backup.

Why do you need a compass when you're 'sailing' down a CANAL???

I haven't installed the compass on my boat and I just got back from a nice little 4 day jaunt down the D'Entrecasteaux Channel. The chartplotter works, I have the tablet if it dies and if that fails then the Mk 1 eyeball still works. Sorta.

FKT

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1 hour ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Why do you need a compass when you're 'sailing' down a CANAL???

I haven't installed the compass on my boat and I just got back from a nice little 4 day jaunt down the D'Entrecasteaux Channel. The chartplotter works, I have the tablet if it dies and if that fails then the Mk 1 eyeball still works. Sorta.

FKT

What movie was it where the main character,  and skipper, was navigating using a restaurant placemat?  Was that 'captain ron'?

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1 minute ago, basketcase said:

What movie was it where the main character,  and skipper, was navigating using a restaurant placemat?  Was that 'captain ron'?

Warren Luhrs navigated on Texaco or AAA maps his first time--if I remember his story correctly.

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