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1 minute ago, Expat Canuck said:

The Dems have invited Trump to testify, would that be first hand enough for you?  So far the WH has refused to allow anyone with first hand knowledge to appear.

Testify about WHAT?...gotta be a what first... what’s the what?... LOL... 

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Just now, Bus Driver said:

Those are the very people who could easily exonerate the President.  Wonder why he is Barr-ing (heh-heh) them from talking.

LOL... exhonorate from what... what’s the what ? Let’s start with that 

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4 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

How can they dumb it down enough for the Ridgeline and mini cannon set?

Doug Collins, sycophant and psychopath that he is, says he rejects the premis of any question re the appropriateness of asking Ukraine to investigate an individual citizen. It's a Ridgeline position.

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2 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

Judge Judy would laugh at you for not knowing hearsay is one word.  

Whew! Spelling smack.... now which one of you smartazz’z is gonna spill the beans of substantive facks

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8 minutes ago, BravoBravo said:

Testify about WHAT?...gotta be a what first... what’s the what?... LOL... 

The content of the phone call.  First you complain that no one today has first hand knowledge of what was actually said.  Then when presented with the fact that people with that knowledge are refusing to testify, you change your tune.

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15 minutes ago, BravoBravo said:

Testify about WHAT?...gotta be a what first... what’s the what?... LOL... 

Testify that anyone who thinks that corruption is bad isn’t living in the real world?

Although, if you give me $10,000,000.00, and a Pogo 50’ er I’ll change my mind.  Really!

 

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4 minutes ago, Expat Canuck said:

The content of the phone call.  First you complain that no one today has first hand knowledge of what was actually said.  Then when presented with the fact that people with that knowledge are refusing to testify, you change your tune.

The phone call transcript was released weeks ago... zippo... nadda...

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The fact is, it appears Republicans are ok with aid to the Ukraine which had been designated by the US Congress with bipartisan support to be used for protecting Ukraine to instead be used to help defeat Democrats in the next election. Since they are the biased audience this process needs to convince in order to impeach the president, this is a rather high bar which needs to be overcome. 

The Republicans are ok with purging Democrats from voter rolls, especially if they are minority voters. They are ok with gerrymandering, as long as it helps them get elected. They are ok with race-based policing and judicial statistics and immigration reform designed to increase our anglo-salon demographics because it gets more Republicans elected.

This is not about the Rule of Law, fact finding or the Constitution. This is about #winning.

 

Trump needs to be made unpopular. Criminal activity must be seen to hurt the GOP brand. Just being illegal isn't enough. It has to jeopardize the future of Republican domination of state houses, the EPA and SCOTUS. Democrats faring well in the midterms did far more to threaten Trump's impeachment than the hearings as currently being conducted. 

Tie Trump to insulting vets and stealing their money... get those questions on the record, not fact-finding questions, after the Senate lawyers are done. This is theater. Have fun and make the GOP squirm and beg for mercy. Then they will discover laws and stuff to impeach the orange lizard.

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2 minutes ago, BravoBravo said:

The phone call transcript was released weeks ago... zippo... nadda...

First off, it was not a transcript.

Second off, what was released included a record of the president extorting a foreign government for his own personal political advantage, and that is illegal.

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Else where, Jules quoted:

the Russian outlook articulated by Russian commentators — who faithfully reflect Kremlin policy — is that Trump's incompetence and incoherence greatly benefit the motherland by weakening its rival America. This mocking theme has aired consistently on the top Russian TV channels for years now and has only intensified as "their" president is threatened by impeachment and electoral defeat.

Of course, the Russians understand our system well and feel reasonably confident that even if the House votes to impeach Trump, he will survive a Senate trial. In the Daily Beast, Olga Skabeeva, host of that Russian "60 Minutes" show, is quoted making a confident prediction: "A Republican majority in the Senate won't allow the president whom we elected, wonderful Donald Trump, to be sent off. It's impossible. He has 90 percent support in the Republican Party."

In that same article, another prominent Russian media figure is even more candid. According to film producer Karen Shakhnazarov, who frequently appears on Russian TV: "They say Trump is making Russia great. That's basically accurate. The chaos brought by Trump into the American system of government is weakening the United States. America is getting weaker and now Russia is taking its place in the Middle East. Suddenly, Russia is starting to seriously penetrate Africa ... So when they say that Trump is weakening the United States — yes, he is. And that's why we love him ... The more problems they have, the better it is for us."

That is why the Kremlin has been exploiting a small army of useful idiots like Rudy Giuliani, Sen. Rand Paul, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Donald Trump Jr., among others, to promote conspiracy theories that exonerate Moscow and indict Ukraine in the 2016 election interference. It is why their tool Trump tried to blackmail the Ukrainian president into serving that scheme. It is why the Russians are so determined to defend Trump from impeachment or any other threat. And it is why they are so keen to discredit Joe Biden or any other Democrat who might be able to unseat him next year.

It is no accident, comrades — to quote the old Communist Party cliche — that the Washington lawyers who represent a Putin-connected oligarch are also spreading false stories about the Bidens and the supposed Democratic National Committee server in Ukraine. The entire right-wing apparatus is starting to look like a GRU intelligence operation.

 

THIS is how Trump gets squashed. Make the Repuglicans listen to questioning about this sort of foreign policy. 

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Well, it's certainly strong evidence of his innocence that Trump is illegally ordering gov't employees to not give testimony.

Add violation of the Hatch Act (the one against gov't employees getting involved in political campaigns, or politicians ordering them to) to the charges, officer

- DSK

My dad was a Fed, and he lived in fear of the Hatch act so much that he wouldn’t even talk politics in the family.  

He thought that one of us would turn him in.  On his death bed, he told me he thought it would be my mother. :lol:  But they were divorced by then.

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48 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

This was my biggest fear.  The Dems didn't dumb it down enough for Trump supporters to grasp.  They really have to frame the discussion using barnyard animals and incest metaphors.  

Pictures would be good.

Words of two syllables or less.

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27 minutes ago, Expat Canuck said:

First off, it was not a transcript.

Second off, what was released included a record of the president extorting a foreign government for his own personal political advantage, and that is illegal.

If he keeps calling it a “transcript”, maybe it will magically become a complete, verbatim account. 

Yeah, riiiiight.

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1 hour ago, BravoBravo said:

The phone call transcript was released weeks ago... zippo... nadda...

Sure, and the Mueller Report totally exonerated Trump.

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Is it that you can't read, or that you WON'T read? Either way, Trump and his minions figure you and your elk for illiterate dumbasses who can -always- be fooled, and so far, they're correct.

- DSK

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1 hour ago, Expat Canuck said:

First off, it was not a transcript.

Second off, what was released included a record of the president extorting a foreign government for his own personal political advantage, and that is illegal.

Wrong...that is not what happened

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2 minutes ago, BravoBravo said:

Wrong...that is not what happened

Dude...get with the program...you are not to reveal any interest in the matter....it’s just a witch hunt and hoax...too busy with important tasks...ya know...why can’t you follow your leader’s talking points? Sheesh!

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1 hour ago, Expat Canuck said:

Second off, what was released included a record of the president extorting a foreign government for his own personal political advantage, and that is illegal.

Wrong...that is not what happened

Yeah? Why did both Trump and Mulvaney say that's exactly what they did... demand a "favor" from Ukraine... in exchange for the money?

How would you interpret this statement, which is taken from mulitple versions of the (redacted) transcript: " The United States has been very good to Ukraine in terms of foreign aid, but I’m upset that the relationship isn’t reciprocal..." A couple of versions I've seen have him saying "First I need you to do me a favor" which apparently is not a majority opinion.

Actually one of the problems is that Trump & Mulvaney & Guiliani asked for at least three things, and investigation into Biden, the release of a statement on Biden's guilt which they provided a script for, and an investigation about Hillary's server.

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5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Yeah? Why did both Trump and Mulvaney say that's exactly what they did... demand a "favor" from Ukraine... in exchange for the money?

How would you interpret this statement, which is taken from mulitple versions of the (redacted) transcript: " The United States has been very good to Ukraine in terms of foreign aid, but I’m upset that the relationship isn’t reciprocal..." A couple of versions I've seen have him saying "First I need you to do me a favor" which apparently is not a majority opinion.

Actually one of the problems is that Trump & Mulvaney & Guiliani asked for at least three things, and investigation into Biden, the release of a statement on Biden's guilt which they provided a script for, and an investigation about Hillary's server.

- DSK

Don't forget a fourth request. The "deliverable" was to be spoken into a microphone. A telling nail in the rotten coffin.

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12 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Jordan shouting into his microphone to interrupt the witness "IT NEVER HAPPENED!!" .(pause) W: "I n..." Jordan (instantly) "IT NEVER HAPPENED!!" (pause) W: "b-" (instantly) "IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!"

Mob lawyer shouting into his microphone to interrupt the witness "IT NEVER HAPPENED!!" .(pause) W: "I n..."

Mob lawyer (instantly) "IT NEVER HAPPENED!!" (pause) W: "b-"

Mob lawyer (instantly) "IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!"

Just to put things into perspective...

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Do the Dems need to establish definitions for the phone call?  We know the general public needs to be slow walked through everything so maybe the Dems should hammer those definitions throughout the investigation.

DEFINITIONS

  • Burisma - Corrupt corporation in Ukraine
  • Crowdstrike - Cybersecurity company allegedly involved in alleged Ukrainian influence in the 2016 U.S. election
  • Investigation - Request by Donald Trump for Ukrainian President Zellenskyy to investigate:
    • 1) Burisma and how Hunter Biden secured a position on their board
    • 2) The allegation there was Ukrainian influence in the 2016 election (no evidence to support that claim)

The third point needs to be further simplified but can't be ignored if the Dems want for the masses to understand the phone call memo and what Trump was asking.

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Hey...anyone find the first substantive fact overnight...magicians use slight of hand to fool the audience...politicians and TV talking heads use slight of words to fool the TDS crowd  

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2 hours ago, BravoBravo said:

Hey...anyone find the first substantive fact overnight...magicians use slight of hand to fool the audience...politicians and TV talking heads use slight of words to fool the TDS crowd  

Seriously, don't use words you can't spell.  Slight?  

Here's a fact, the GOP's entire defense is based on that their supporters are too fucking stupid to understand the issues.  Just keep pounding home stupid talking points and hope that idiots like you will pick up and chant the mantra.  

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12 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

Here's a fact, the GOP's entire defense is based on that their supporters are too fucking stupid to understand the issues.  Just keep pounding home stupid talking points and hope that idiots like you will pick up and chant the mantra.  

Given what we read from the useful idiots like BravoBravo, it sure is effective.

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5 hours ago, phillysailor said:

They also had to get rid of state Department officials who were actually interested in combatting real corruption in Ukraine.

Corruption in Ukraine is fine, so long as it serves Trumps personal wants and needs. 

They also had to get rid of McCabe who was actually interested in combatting real corruption in the Russia and the USA.

Corruption in Russia and the USA is fine, so long as it serves Trump's wants and needs.

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https://apnews.com/6d318542e50b45dc9e1d4d829ad36c96

AP source: 2nd US official heard Trump call with Sondland

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A second U.S. embassy staffer in Kyiv overheard a key cellphone call between President Donald Trump and his ambassador to the European Union discussing the need for Ukrainian officials to pursue “investigations,” The Associated Press has learned.

The July 26 call between Trump and Gordon Sondland was first described during testimony Wednesday by William B. Taylor Jr., the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. Taylor said one of his staffers overhead the call while Sondland was in a restaurant the day after Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that triggered the House impeachment inquiry.

 

 

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16 hours ago, Expat Canuck said:

First off, it was not a transcript.

Second off, what was released included a record of the president extorting a foreign government for his own personal political advantage, and that is illegal.

Explain exactly why investigating corruption is to Trump's political advantage.

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16 minutes ago, Sean said:

https://apnews.com/6d318542e50b45dc9e1d4d829ad36c96

AP source: 2nd US official heard Trump call with Sondland

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A second U.S. embassy staffer in Kyiv overheard a key cellphone call between President Donald Trump and his ambassador to the European Union discussing the need for Ukrainian officials to pursue “investigations,” The Associated Press has learned.

The July 26 call between Trump and Gordon Sondland was first described during testimony Wednesday by William B. Taylor Jr., the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. Taylor said one of his staffers overhead the call while Sondland was in a restaurant the day after Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that triggered the House impeachment inquiry.

 

 

Taylor "heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another"  Reo Speedwagon 

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1 minute ago, warbird said:

Explain exactly why investigating corruption political opponents is to Shitstain's political advantage.

Because Biden was the Democratic frontrunner for the 2020 election. If it were just investigatin', well then that's what we have oppo research for and it is very legal. But releasing Congressionally approved aid as a quid pro quo for that sort of investigatin' is illegal.

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3 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Because Biden was the Democratic frontrunner for the 2020 election. If it were just investigatin', well then that's what we have oppo research for and it is very legal. But releasing Congressionally approved aid as a quid pro quo for that sort of investigatin' is illegal.

Investigation is bad when it threatens democrats.......?

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14 minutes ago, warbird said:

Explain exactly why investigating corruption is to Trump's political advantage.

After you're done telling us what corruption Trump is investigating... OTHER THAN HIS MAIN RIVAL... you can tell us how much money you're donating to Trump charities this week

- DSK

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14 minutes ago, warbird said:

Taylor "heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another"  Reo Speedwagon 

Yes, the "friend" he heard it from is the other guy on the phone, Ukrainian President Zelinsky

WTF does -he- know about it, clearly less that Rep Jordan who does not know where Ukraine is or what part of Russia Mexico it's in

- DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

Yes, the "friend" he heard it from is the other guy on the phone, Ukrainian President Zelinsky

WTF does -he- know about it, clearly less that Rep Jordan who does not know where Ukraine is or what part of Russia Mexico it's in

- DSK

What did Taylor hear Zelinsky say?

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26 minutes ago, warbird said:

Taylor "heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another"  Reo Speedwagon 

Yeah, they should really be talking to folks like  John Eisenberg, deputy counsel to the president for national security affairs; Robert Blair, a senior adviser to acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney; Michael Ellis, Mr. Eisenberg’s deputy; and Brian McCormack, an associate director at the White House budget office.

but.....

The White House directed the officials not to testify, arguing that congressional subpoenas for their depositions were invalid because House committees wouldn’t permit them to bring an administration lawyer with them, according to attorneys for some of the witnesses.

In the case of Mr. Eisenberg, the White House made an even more sweeping assertion: that as a close aide to the president he was totally immune from being forced to appear.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-officials-not-expected-to-show-for-testimony-in-impeachment-inquiry-11572863402

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The GOP "only hearsay" defense, or that the evidence of attempts to bribe and extort foreign and US officials to do his bidding and manipulate the US policy and budget to serve his personal needs, is emblematic of the cult of personality surrounding his presidency.

If they are sick of such paltry evidence, Republicans should enforce Congressional subpoenas by publicly calling for those with first hand information to appear.

If Trump wants to confront his accuser, then he should be available for questions, and his staff should be proud to attend hearings.

Otherwise he is obstructing and the GOP is aiding and abetting his high crimes and misdemeanors, for all we know.

Trumps penchant for stiffing contractors, avoiding taxes to the point of tax evasion, forceful grabbing of women's sexual anatomy and firing honorable workers for not being obsequious or showing him personal loyalty is well known. If the GOP allows him to direct foreign policy through shadow operatives and without oversight, then they should be publicly labeled as allowing a tyrant to dismantle our democratic systems of government. 

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The House of Representatives has the power to arrest and detain those people who ignore a lawful Subpoena.  Even government officials.  It's about fucking time there was some arresting and some incarcerating.  At least until the talking starts.

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1 minute ago, Grrr... said:

The House of Representatives has the power to arrest and detain those people who ignore a lawful Subpoena.  Even government officials.  It's about fucking time there was some arresting and some incarcerating.  At least until the talking starts.

Yeah.  Just a joke to the R's.

There must be some long-game Pelosi is going for that makes her not go that route.

Maybe forcing testimony by the key players early would allow them to stonewall/lie/forget, thus taking the "bite" out of the investigation.

By gathering evidence from others early, it will pin the big fish into a tighter barrel.

Who knows, but I know if *I* were to ignore a subpoena, I'd be typing this from prison.

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4 minutes ago, Mike G said:

Yeah.  Just a joke to the R's.

There must be some long-game Pelosi is going for that makes her not go that route.

Maybe forcing testimony by the key players early would allow them to stonewall/lie/forget, thus taking the "bite" out of the investigation.

By gathering evidence from others early, it will pin the big fish into a tighter barrel.

Who knows, but I know if *I* were to ignore a subpoena, I'd be typing this from prison.

Nancy is no longer in control.....

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18 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

The House of Representatives has the power to arrest and detain those people who ignore a lawful Subpoena.  Even government officials.  It's about fucking time there was some arresting and some incarcerating.  At least until the talking starts.

Schiff says he’ll just add them as counts of obstruction in the impeachment proceedings. 


 

 
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5 minutes ago, Sean said:

Schiff says he’ll just add them as counts of obstruction in the impeachment proceedings. 


 

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Got auto-sign turned on in your phone's email?

 

That's an easy way out for Schiff.  He could begin throwing these people in jail, now.  Adding them on to a trial that will not go anywhere in the Senate is just his way of making sure the "elite" of our country never have to do anything as pedestrian as spend a night in lockup.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

After you're done telling us what corruption Trump is investigating... OTHER THAN HIS MAIN RIVAL... you can tell us how much money you're donating to Trump charities this week

- DSK

Who was congress in investigating for collusion?

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1 minute ago, warbird said:

Who was congress in investigating for collusion?

Developing a stutter there worm food?

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1 hour ago, Fakenews said:

Interesting take on Sondland’s call with Trump.  It’s almost as if they don’t care if Russia listens in on their conversations.

https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2019/11/former-officials-sondlands-cellphone-call-trump-kyiv-restaurant-stunning-breach-security/

 

They don’t care who listens- think about the call Trump took at Mar a Lago early in his tenure in front of diners. 
 

He is consistent, at least.

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3 hours ago, Mike G said:

Yeah.  Just a joke to the R's.

There must be some long-game Pelosi is going for that makes her not go that route.

Maybe forcing testimony by the key players early would allow them to stonewall/lie/forget, thus taking the "bite" out of the investigation.

By gathering evidence from others early, it will pin the big fish into a tighter barrel.

You don't eat dessert first.

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4 hours ago, warbird said:

2 years of investigation into the Trump campaign imagined corruption.

This sounds like the neighborhood troublemaker asking the cops why they are always picking on him. 

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This is the guy who signed the papers withholding the Ukrain funds -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/11/14/career-white-house-budget-official-expected-break-ranks-testify-impeachment-inquiry/

Career White House budget official expected to break ranks, testify in impeachment inquiry

Mark Sandy would be the first Office of Management and Budget official to appear after a series of political appointees defied congressional subpoenas

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A longtime career employee at the White House Office of Management and Budget is expected to break ranks and testify Saturday in the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry, potentially filling in important details on the hold-up of military aid to Ukraine.

Mark Sandy would be the first OMB employee to testify in the inquiry, after OMB acting director Russell T. Vought and two other political appointees at the agency defied congressional subpoenas to appear. The White House has called the impeachment inquiry unconstitutional and ordered administration officials not to participate.

But unlike these other OMB officials, Sandy is a career employee, not one appointed by the president. He has worked at the agency off and on for over a decade, under presidents of both parties, climbing the ranks into his current role as deputy associate director for national security programs.

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Sandy could provide insight into the process by which some $400 million in military and security aid to Ukraine was held up over the summer. He was among the career staffers who raised questions about the hold-up on the aid, people familiar with the matter said, and his role gave him responsibility for signing the documents required to hold it up. The people spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the internal deliberations.

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5 hours ago, Grrr... said:

The House of Representatives has the power to arrest and detain those people who ignore a lawful Subpoena.  Even government officials.  It's about fucking time there was some arresting and some incarcerating.  At least until the talking starts.

Game that out beyond the first move.  Arrest one and take them where?  The jails are ultimately under DOJ authority so the arrestee is  sprung and no testimony.  Or you have a situation where the Capitol police say "you're under arrest" to which the FBI or Secret Service responds "No, they're not".  Then what? 

 

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14 minutes ago, learningJ24 said:

Game that out beyond the first move.  Arrest one and take them where?  The jails are ultimately under DOJ authority so the arrestee is  sprung and no testimony.  Or you have a situation where the Capitol police say "you're under arrest" to which the FBI or Secret Service responds "No, they're not".  Then what? 

 

Then you arrest the FBI agents or SS agents who are obstructing a legal arrest, and you charge them too.

 

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On 11/13/2019 at 4:32 PM, B.J. Porter said:

I watched the whole damned thing.

I watched it on Fox BTW, the second half. They didn't have much to add in the chirons, though at the end the dweeby looking guy from the Sunday show provided a succint and fair analysis. Before, of course, the pinch faced bleached botox victims came out with the pom-poms.

My takeaway...

The GOP is trying to kill this thing on the first day. Talking about "Star Witnesses" and all this crap, without having the with to realize that the first witness are the weakest, and are only there to lay groundwork and traps for calling more serious ones later.

Nunes looked like a buffoon, spewing his spittle-flecked Infowars retreads. Gym Jordan gets points for enthusiasm and not actually spitting, but he forgot a few cogent points of fact.

This the is the opening gambit. Moving out a pawn. The rest is coming.

Schiff was spot on when he pointed out the timing of the reveal of the Whistleblower to Congress, then Trump releasing the funds two days later. It totally undercut the "What, the Ukraine guy never did the interview on CNN" line of reasoning from the Republicans.

Someone needs to shave Gym Jordan's combover. He needs to own his bald head.

Rep Jordon is playing two games, and I think playing them fairly well.    I listened to the rebuttal yesterday.    I’m also in his district and have emailed him.   He responded personally, and accused me of putting words in his mouth,   I linked him the interviews.    He doesn’t care about facts or dates.    His loyal constituents will never fact check or worry about a non sequitur.   He succeeds by generating a stream of convincing sound bites that can become memes.    He also needs to make a reputation as a rabid Republican attack dog.    Ohio is very gerrymandered, but after 2020 they are supposed to redistrict more fairly.    Representative Jordon has to either be so important to the party they make sure his new district is still favorable for reelection, or he must work his fame allowing for future opportunity.    If Trump wins in 20 and Rep Jordon loses his seat in 22 there are sure to be cabinet posts available, or maybe even a chance to lead the secret police.   Otherwise he has to run for Senate.

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Jimbo might have some explaining to do, much like all Drumpfs toadies. i think most wrastlers have conflicts with their sexualitee. he is a peece of sheit in mi opinyon.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/11/08/second-person-says-he-told-rep-jim-jordan-about-sexual-misconduct-ohio-state/

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55 minutes ago, Lark said:

Rep Jordon is playing two games, and I think playing them fairly well.    I listened to the rebuttal yesterday.    I’m also in his district and have emailed him.   He responded personally, and accused me of putting words in his mouth,   I linked him the interviews.    He doesn’t care about facts or dates.    His loyal constituents will never fact check or worry about a non sequitur.   He succeeds by generating a stream of convincing sound bites that can become memes.    He also needs to make a reputation as a rabid Republican attack dog.    Ohio is very gerrymandered, but after 2020 they are supposed to redistrict more fairly.    Representative Jordon has to either be so important to the party they make sure his new district is still favorable for reelection, or he must work his fame allowing for future opportunity.    If Trump wins in 20 and Rep Jordon loses his seat in 22 there are sure to be cabinet posts available, or maybe even a chance to lead the secret police.   Otherwise he has to run for Senate.

Why can’t I shake the feeling that Trump will skate on this?  

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corruption-rank

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Good question. He spent some time testifying on that exact topic.

You keep bragging about being rich, maybe you can afford to actually pay attention?

- DSK

If you don't know what Taylor heard Zelinsky say, just say so.  

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12 hours ago, Lark said:

Rep Jordon is playing two games, and I think playing them fairly well.    I listened to the rebuttal yesterday.    I’m also in his district and have emailed him.   He responded personally, and accused me of putting words in his mouth,   I linked him the interviews.    He doesn’t care about facts or dates.    His loyal constituents will never fact check or worry about a non sequitur.   He succeeds by generating a stream of convincing sound bites that can become memes.    He also needs to make a reputation as a rabid Republican attack dog.    Ohio is very gerrymandered, but after 2020 they are supposed to redistrict more fairly.    Representative Jordon has to either be so important to the party they make sure his new district is still favorable for reelection, or he must work his fame allowing for future opportunity.    If Trump wins in 20 and Rep Jordon loses his seat in 22 there are sure to be cabinet posts available, or maybe even a chance to lead the secret police.   Otherwise he has to run for Senate.

Oh, I don't think he's stupid. I think he's an authoritarian asshole.

The problem they're not realizing is- OK let's say Trump succeeds here. Congress no longer has' oversight authority. They can't enforce subpoenas, they can't control expenditures. What do they do? Trump or his successor sends them home, bye now don't come back. They're already losing their PACs to him because it's HIS fucking money, when they lose patronage and oversight they got nothin'.

Jordan may think he'll be all set once we get rid of this phony constitution and democracy nonsense, but he won't have a seat at the table either.

- DSK

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7 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Oh, I don't think he's stupid. I think he's an authoritarian asshole.

The problem they're not realizing is- OK let's say Trump succeeds here. Congress no longer has' oversight authority. They can't enforce subpoenas, they can't control expenditures. What do they do? Trump or his successor sends them home, bye now don't come back. They're already losing their PACs to him because it's HIS fucking money, when they lose patronage and oversight they got nothin'.

Jordan may think he'll be all set once we get rid of this phony constitution and democracy nonsense, but he won't have a seat at the table either.

- DSK

Like everything else on the Hill, it will be interesting to see how he would view that If the GOP ever takes back the House.  Me thinks he will be of an opposite opinion.

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37 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Like everything else on the Hill, it will be interesting to see how he would view that If the GOP ever takes back the House.  Me thinks he will be of an opposite opinion.

That is only important if people expect ethics and integrity in government in general and elected officials in specific.  40 years of "government is the problem" propaganda has led us to a place where this kind of behavior is expected.  We may be getting closer to having guns, knives and canes on the floor of Congress.

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8 minutes ago, jzk said:

She was fired in May.  Phone call was in July.  Yeah, no one likes to be fired and it is never their own fault.  When do we get to some evidence of an impeachable offense?

Heard it from a friend whhoooo, heard it from a friend  whhooo, heard it from another........

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12 minutes ago, jzk said:

She was fired in May.  Phone call was in July.  Yeah, no one likes to be fired and it is never their own fault.  When do we get to some evidence of an impeachable offense?

Running a shadow state department is impeachable in and of itself.

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4 minutes ago, warbird said:

Heard it from a friend whhoooo, heard it from a friend  whhooo, heard it from another........

She was the one who was fucked over!  First hand info doesn't get any more firts hand than than that.  TRUMP is the corruption!  Fucking blind!

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Just now, Swimsailor said:

She was the one who was fucked over!  First hand info doesn't get any more firts hand than than that.  TRUMP is the corruption!  Fucking blind!

How was she "fucked over?"  Does she have a right to remain as ambassador?

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Schiff made an actual factual statement, so hats off to him:

""Some have argued that a president has the ability to nominate or remove any ambassador he wants - that they serve at the pleasure of the president - and that is true""

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