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I am not sending this out to offend anyone, but just to point out that we had better stop, look and listen to what is happening to this country.  The below is from a guy who is from our education system, which hates Trump and he writes about why Trump is hated. 

 How do Civil Wars start? 

This is worth the time to read...even if you are a liberal!

 Dr. Jack Devere Minzey, born 6 October 1928, died 8 April 2018, was the Department Head of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein. (Editor's note)This was the last of his works: 

Civil War:  How do civil wars happen? 


By Dr. Jack Devere Minzey 


Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war. 
The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here. 


What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections. That's a civil war. 
There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.   


This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship. 
Your very own dictatorship. 


The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war. 


Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country. 
If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. He can use the IRS as his own police force and imprison citizens who speak against him. He can provide guns and money (Fast and Furious) (Iran nuclear deal) to other countries to support his own agenda, and watch while one of America's Ambassador's is dragged through the streets and murdered doing nothing to aid our citizens. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator. But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played. That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight. 


When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries. The Constitution has something to say about that. Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship 
Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding:  Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds You can't serve in if you're not a member If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him. 


Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down. 
That's not a free country. 


It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did. 


Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government. 
Well now Pilgrims and Patriots, having read the above, I suggest two things:  forward this very timely, very important analysis to those whom you believe think like you do and make sure you vote on every Election day!

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Think about it!

 

Happy Thanksgiving

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26 minutes ago, onedesignj80 said:

Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down. 
That's not a free country.  

Some Q-Anon drivel to go with your cranberry sauce J80?

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26 minutes ago, onedesignj80 said:

I am not sending this out to offend anyone, but just to point out that we had better stop, look and listen to what is happening to this country.  The below is from a guy who is from our education system, which hates Trump and he writes about why Trump is hated. 

 How do Civil Wars start? 

This is worth the time to read...even if you are a liberal!

 Dr. Jack Devere Minzey, born 6 October 1928, died 8 April 2018, was the Department Head of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein. (Editor's note)This was the last of his works: 

 

Dr. Jack Devere Minzey did not write this drivel. Its full of projection and easily debunked crap, Qanon level. You must be a prime specimen of the people @d'ranger noted above.

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8 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

Dr. Jack Devere Minzey did not write this drivel. Its full of projection and easily debunked crap, Qanon level. You must be a prime specimen of the people @d'ranger noted above.

When these people don't even check if something that's IMPORTANT is even real, you know there's a disconnect between reality and the person.  Nice work j80, you fucking sucker!

 

Jack Minzey was truly an educator at Eastern Michigan University and he did pass away in April 2018. However, the essay attributed to Minzey is actually a shortened version of a speech delivered by Daniel Greenfield (a conservative author whose work can be found in publications such as FrontPageMag.com) at the South Carolina Tea Party Coalition Convention in January 2018:

 

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18 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

We aren't in a civil war.  We just have a lot of loud uncivil people.

 

No, we have a lot of people that will believe total and complete bullshit because they are too fucking lazy to look up a piece on snopes or do any independent research or practice any independent thinking.  That's what this thread shows.

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17 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

No, we have a lot of people that will believe total and complete bullshit because they are too fucking lazy to look up a piece on snopes or do any independent research or practice any independent thinking.  That's what this thread shows.

These uncritical readers have also been told that Snopes is fake news, by people who have a vested interest in shoveling bullshit at them. 

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39 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Does writing a book titled "Barack Obama's Unholy Alliance: A Romance with Islamism" count as loud and uncivil, or is it just truth telling?

 

Yes, I was less happy with his alliance with Russia.

 

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23 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Yes, I was less happy with his alliance with Russia.

Then you must be furious with GOP senators for having taken $7.3 Million from one Russian oligarch & friend of Putin, and disgusted by them for working with the NRA which received $33 million from Russians. Also disgusted by Trump for magically selling a mansion to a Russian at a profit of $45 million 15 years ago, for his son saying that Trump Inc relies heavily on Russian sources of funding and if they have dirt on domestic political rivals that the Trump team would love to see it.
 

And you’ve got to be ready to quit the GOP since they are spreading dirt on anti-corruption minded US state department employees in an effort to spread lies that Ukraine, not Russia, effectively  interfered with our 2016 national elections.

Otherwise, your outrage is actually just carefully calibrated hypocrisy.

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Even Shitstain's most stalwart defenders amongst our elk aren't registered as Republicans and didn't vote for him. Those who did vote for him were honestly torn between Bernie and Shitstain for some definition of honesty.

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2 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

No, we have a lot of people that will believe total and complete bullshit because they are too fucking lazy to look up a piece on snopes or do any independent research or practice any independent thinking.  That's what this thread shows.

This^

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19 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

I'd say that good ol' J80 is richly deserving of a nice old fashioned flick. 

But he is a good example of the Reich's utter disregard of facts or truth. 

Despicable they are. 

I wonder if he's related to J28, recently deported idiot.

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2 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Then you must be furious with GOP senators for having taken $7.3 Million from one Russian oligarch & friend of Putin, and disgusted by them for working with the NRA which received $33 million from Russians. Also disgusted by Trump for magically selling a mansion to a Russian at a profit of $45 million 15 years ago, for his son saying that Trump Inc relies heavily on Russian sources of funding and if they have dirt on domestic political rivals that the Trump team would love to see it.
 

And you’ve got to be ready to quit the GOP since they are spreading dirt on anti-corruption minded US state department employees in an effort to spread lies that Ukraine, not Russia, effectively  interfered with our 2016 national elections.

Otherwise, your outrage is actually just carefully calibrated hypocrisy.

You mean like Chinese nuns and Al Gore?  China and both Clinton campaigns?  Russians helping Bernie and Jill Stein?

I'm pretty much over foreign contributions.  They generally come out, there's a big hoohah and then nothing.

Maybe we shouldn't be so involved in the affairs of other nations and they will dry up.

 

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2 hours ago, Saorsa said:

You mean like Chinese nuns and Al Gore?  China and both Clinton campaigns?  Russians helping Bernie and Jill Stein?

I'm pretty much over foreign contributions.  They generally come out, there's a big hoohah and then nothing.

Maybe we shouldn't be so involved in the affairs of other nations and they will dry up.

 

So ignore all the Russian money and influence pouring in and it will dry up? Are you a warbird sock?

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23 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

So ignore all the Russian money and influence pouring in and it will dry up? Are you a warbird sock?

It's an art to be able to brush it off quickly.

"It's happened for all eternity"

"I'm so over it"

Get them talking about the new topic you want to talk about, and take the heat off of the original one.

 

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8 hours ago, Saorsa said:

We aren't in a civil war.  We just have a lot of loud uncivil people.

 

People like you.

I was talking with a friend in Oklahoma this morning. He's an older guy. He's a semi retired Evangelist preacher, and a guy who grew up on the skids. Worked in various trades all his life until they caught up with him, and his health is now failing as a result.... But he has a great attitude about the potential future of this world.

 But he also sees a real civil war brewing in the USA..... Not just a paper war, but a guns and butter war.

The long and short of it is: This Red state Evangelical Christian thinks that Trump is going to start a war to save his own presidency, and to empower himself and his friends, and he doesn't give a flying fuck what happens afterwards.

Personally, I'd cut off the finger to save the hand.

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3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

So ignore all the Russian money and influence pouring in and it will dry up? Are you a warbird sock?

For all the bullshit about Russia,

Trump still hasn't got sucked into another ME country and has increased the sanctions further than Obama did.

Where are you seeing any actual benefit to Russia? 

 

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9 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

For all the bullshit about Russia,

Trump still hasn't got sucked into another ME country and has increased the sanctions further than Obama did.

Where are you seeing any actual benefit to Russia? 

 

Abandoning the Kurds in Syria.

Promoting the false narrative that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that hacked the DNC server and turned over the innocuous but hopefully damning contents to WikiLeaks.

Denying the word of the entire US intelligence community in favor of Putin in Helsinki.

Undermining Ukraine's defense against Russia and it's efforts to join the EU.

Playing into Russia's anti journalism position that included murdering people in the UK.

 

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I started reading the article with a totally open mind. I didn’t know if it’s slant was right, left, or nonexistent. 
 

I got as far as the bullshit about the Republican appointed Republican investigator being appointed simply to overthrow an election and quit.

Obviously the author has no grasp of reality.

why the hell would the Republicans who appointed a Republican to conduct an investigation of the a Republican President be out to overturn an election if that President 

what a fucking loon 

 

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The existences of people who'd support the kind of environmental policies this administration practices don't really mean fk all to me. I consider fkn' assholes like that to be nothing but liabilities. War?

The modern 'murican right-wing is a fkg cancer, not to mention a bad clown show.

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38 minutes ago, lasal said:
57 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

For all the bullshit about Russia,

Trump still hasn't got sucked into another ME country and has increased the sanctions further than Obama did.

 Where are you seeing any actual benefit to Russia? 

Abandoning the Kurds in Syria.

 Promoting the false narrative that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that hacked the DNC server and turned over the innocuous but hopefully damning contents to WikiLeaks.

Denying the word of the entire US intelligence community in favor of Putin in Helsinki.

Undermining Ukraine's defense against Russia and it's efforts to join the EU.

Playing into Russia's anti journalism position that included murdering people in the UK.

You forgot the US bases the Russians took over in Syria.... How does Saorsa feel about Russian flags being hoisted on US Bases?

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6 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Trump still hasn't got sucked into another ME country

What do you call increasing US troop strength in Saudi Arabia? Just helping out his pal MBS?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/pentagon-moves-forward-with-saudi-defense-mission/2019/11/27/e1a36444-112a-11ea-b0fc-62cc38411ebb_story.html

"Trump authorized a boost to the relatively light U.S. footprint in Saudi Arabia, from an advisory mission that stood around 800 to a force of about 3,000, following the Sept. 14 assault on Saudi oil facilities, which Saudi and U.S. officials said was launched by Iran in an major escalation of regional tensions."

He has boasted that SA will pay 100% of the costs. Does that mean the US military is now for hire by any petrol state with a big cheque book?

 

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7 hours ago, lasal said:

Abandoning the Kurds in Syria.

Promoting the false narrative that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that hacked the DNC server and turned over the innocuous but hopefully damning contents to WikiLeaks.

Denying the word of the entire US intelligence community in favor of Putin in Helsinki.

Undermining Ukraine's defense against Russia and it's efforts to join the EU.

Playing into Russia's anti journalism position that included murdering people in the UK.

 

We went over that at the time.  There is a long history with the Kurds in the area.  Read your history before making the actions of a week or two all that matters.

You've yet to provide the compelling need for US forces in Syria at all.  That was where Putin was handed the advantage by Obama and his bumbling Sec State "that'll never happen" Kerry.

Where was the "defense of the Ukraine" when they took over Crimea?  When Obama refused to arm them?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/world/europe/defying-obama-many-in-congress-press-to-arm-ukraine.html

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/09/25/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/

From the second cite"

Lethal aid and Donald Trump

One irony is that the Trump administration was going further with its aid than the Obama administration by deciding to provide Ukraine with lethal weapons. In 2017, Trump announced his intent to provide the Javelin, and Congress approved an assistance package of 210 missiles and 37 launchers, together worth $47 million.

“When Trump was elected, the first thing they did was send in the Javelin. It wasn’t exactly high-end, but we were very happy, and they built on a very firm foundation,” said Jim Townsend, who spent eight years as U.S. deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO policy and is now with the Center for a New American Security think tank.

The EU won't let Ukraine in while Russia has control of the petro tittie they need to suck on.

 

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1 hour ago, Saorsa said:

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The EU won't let Ukraine in while Russia has control of the petro tittie they need to suck on.

 

 

Really? Is that why they wouldn't let Turkey in, either?

Considering that most of the EU is still sucking on the same petro tittie as Ukraine, it seems like a rather boneheaded basis for policy.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

Really? Is that why they wouldn't let Turkey in, either?

Considering that most of the EU is still sucking on the same petro tittie as Ukraine, it seems like a rather boneheaded basis for policy.

- DSK

Dnipro-Donetsk

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4 hours ago, Saorsa said:

We went over that at the time.  There is a long history with the Kurds in the area.  Read your history before making the actions of a week or two all that matters.

Yeah, the Kurds have been getting fucked over by everyone forever so what does it matter if the shitstain does it too?

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Yeah, the Kurds have been getting fucked over by everyone forever so what does it matter if the shitstain does it too?

You've got it backwards.  The Kurds have been ineffectively trying to fuck over everybody else since the 9th century.

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10 hours ago, Saorsa said:

We went over that at the time.  There is a long history with the Kurds in the area.  Read your history before making the actions of a week or two all that matters.

You've yet to provide the compelling need for US forces in Syria at all.  That was where Putin was handed the advantage by Obama and his bumbling Sec State "that'll never happen" Kerry.

Where was the "defense of the Ukraine" when they took over Crimea?  When Obama refused to arm them?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/world/europe/defying-obama-many-in-congress-press-to-arm-ukraine.html

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/09/25/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/

From the second cite"

Lethal aid and Donald Trump

One irony is that the Trump administration was going further with its aid than the Obama administration by deciding to provide Ukraine with lethal weapons. In 2017, Trump announced his intent to provide the Javelin, and Congress approved an assistance package of 210 missiles and 37 launchers, together worth $47 million.

“When Trump was elected, the first thing they did was send in the Javelin. It wasn’t exactly high-end, but we were very happy, and they built on a very firm foundation,” said Jim Townsend, who spent eight years as U.S. deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO policy and is now with the Center for a New American Security think tank.

The EU won't let Ukraine in while Russia has control of the petro tittie they need to suck on.

 

The whole "lethal weapons, not just blankets and MREs" narrative is nonsense because when Russia took Crimea, Ukraine had a pro-Russia regime. Ask Paul Manafort. Sending weapons that could have driven Russia out of Crimea would have been seen as starting a proxy war, and sending weapons to a corrupt pro-Russia president would have been impossible to manage.

The real story is that Trump is helping Russia a great deal, and he attempted to prevent military assistance to Ukraine after it was approved. The spin efforts don't add up.

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19 hours ago, lasal said:

The whole "lethal weapons, not just blankets and MREs" narrative is nonsense because when Russia took Crimea, Ukraine had a pro-Russia regime. Ask Paul Manafort. Sending weapons that could have driven Russia out of Crimea would have been seen as starting a proxy war, and sending weapons to a corrupt pro-Russia president would have been impossible to manage.

The real story is that Trump is helping Russia a great deal, and he attempted to prevent military assistance to Ukraine after it was approved. The spin efforts don't add up.

Maybe you are unaware of the fact that Russians 'colonized' much of the Soviet Union.  The bureaucracy was staffed with Russians and sympathizers.  As a single party state all of them got nice Russian approved governance.  There were no true Ukrainian "Pro-russians" that I have met.  They may have had to accommodate their conquerors but there is a reason that there are dual language street signs everywhere.

After WW II, Ukrainian refugees were turned over to the Russians against their will and with the full support of the Allies.

We sometimes quote Orwell's "Animal Farm" around here.  There is some interesting history associated with it.  If you have a Kindle Unlimited subscription this is free otherwise it's $2.99.

https://www.amazon.com/Orwell-Refugees-Untold-Story-Animal-ebook/dp/B007JNKF5G/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=chalupa+orwell+animal+farm+kindle&link_code=qs&qid=1575049528&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-1

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Sen. Kennedy goes full Putin -

https://www.thedailybeast.com/chuck-todd-to-gop-senator-john-kennedy-youre-selling-the-same-argument-as-putin

Chuck Todd to GOP Senator: You’re Selling the Same Argument as Putin!

Excerpt -

“Russia was very aggressive and they’re much more sophisticated,” the conservative senator declared. “But the fact that Russia was so aggressive does not exclude the fact that President Poroshenko actively worked for Secretary Clinton.”

“Actively worked for Secretary Clinton?! My goodness, wait a minute, Senator Kennedy,” Todd shot back. “You now have the president of Ukraine saying he worked for the Democratic nominee for president. C’mon. You realize the only other person selling this argument outside the United States is this man, Vladimir Putin!”

Edit - another duplicate post. Way too many threads going st the same time around here. 

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chuck todd is a fucking idiot and should move over to Fox already.  He's got the false outrage and poor understanding of the facts down pat.  What good does it do to let a liar lie to the public over and over again just so you can pretend to be shocked?

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41 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

chuck todd is a . . . idiot

He's the booster of both-sidesism - some of the time,  anyway. 

Back in 2013, Chuck Todd said that it wasn’t the media’s job to correct Republican lies—particularly when it came to the issue of Obamacare. Fast forward six years, and the same television news host is playing a completely different tune. He took it upon himself to lecture Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for referring to the migrant detention facilities being run by the Trump administration as “concentration camps.”

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

chuck todd is a fucking idiot and should move over to Fox already.  He's got the false outrage and poor understanding of the facts down pat.  What good does it do to let a liar lie to the public over and over again just so you can pretend to be shocked?

Well, he's TRYING to keep a "fair and balanced" show that at least one or two Republicans (old style) might actually watch.

I actually think he's a pretty good interviewer. He kept an almost straight face when Sen. Kennedy gushed about what a stellar reputation Trump has as an international corruption fighter.

- DSK

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26 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Well, he's TRYING to keep a "fair and balanced" show that at least one or two Republicans (old style) might actually watch.

I actually think he's a pretty good interviewer. He kept an almost straight face when Sen. Kennedy gushed about what a stellar reputation Trump has as an international corruption fighter.

- DSK

why is it a good interviewing technique to keep a straight face when someone spews diarrhea from the big hole in their face?

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3 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

why is it a good interviewing technique to keep a straight face when someone spews diarrhea from the big hole in their face?

Because if you bust out laughing, you're losing valuable air time, if nothing else.

- DSK

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2 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:
3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Because if you bust out laughing, you're losing valuable air time, if nothing else.

 

How about not booking liars?

Unfortunately, 40% of the country is determined to live in a dream castle in the sky, surrounded by sparkle unicorns. Although it's becoming increasingly impossible to coexist with them, it would be unprofessional for a journalist to pretend they don't exist.

- DSK

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