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shes legit ... foil arm looks to be in the front end of the box ... opposite of all other teams ... what are we going to read into that?

ETNZ are probably favorites .....but win or lose....Team New Zealand have firmly established themselves as the all time great AC nation in the modern era.   From the time they first emerged, they have

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

Oh clarkey, you are funny. 
 

shall we just give ETNZ the cup (keep it, for the pedants that will say they already have it) and just not bother?

the level of entitlement is fucking staggering.

AM may look smooth and faster by the day. But there’s nothing to compare them against. They might look smooth now, but then the others turn up and make them look like amateurs. We just don’t know. We haven’t seen much video of them course training, just doing long, straight lines. They may be super quick in a straight line, but if they can’t turn a corner, they’re toast. We know the Kiwis are looking sharp around a course. Or at least through manoeuvres, and their straight line speed looks at least as good as AM if not better. Once the other teams get out, AM may look like they’re standing still next to them.

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3 hours ago, trt131 said:

On the third you get a black flag.  Look up Appendix "C" in the Racing Rules of Sailing

Probably wont apply.

They got their own set of rules created for the last several of ACs to cover all the new stuff like boundaries, lights etc. The RRS page on the Noticeboard for AC36 are still blank, but the Protocol says...

16.1 e) the racing rules as agreed and adopted by COR/D in consultation with World Sailing....

 

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7 hours ago, mako23 said:

Just imagine one boat is on its foils and another boat is not when they go into the start box. The boat on its foils could get so many penalties on the opposition  that the competing boat might have to 3 or 4 penalty turns before they finish the race 

That's why I have you on iggy, you must be 13 years old.

If one boat is foiling and the other can't get it up, it's game over for the low rider.

Duh.

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2 hours ago, weta27 said:

Told you, the INEOS supporters are getting ratty watching all this SAILING going on ...

They're all very anxious to see their new boat...because, you know, the first one was such a freaking embarrassment. Having the ugliest boat in AC history was not quite the gong they were hoping for.....

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1 minute ago, Horn Rock said:

They're all very anxious to see their new boat...because, you know, the first one was such a freaking embarrassment. Having the ugliest boat in AC history was not quite the gong they were hoping for.....

Everyone is anxious to see the footage of Ben splashing..the Nanny

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9 minutes ago, barfy said:

That's why I have you on iggy, you must be 13 years old.

If one boat is foiling and the other can't get it up, it's game over for the low rider.

Duh.

Not necessarily true Barf the foiler could flop and the low rider could sail on through.

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2 hours ago, weta27 said:

Told you, the INEOS supporters are getting ratty watching all this SAILING going on ...

Come on you are better than that.

We didn’t laugh  as teehee went on a 4 month cruise to Sardinia and back.. why couldn’t  they have flown it? Or did the missing 3mil impact the transport budget? 
 

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14 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

They're all very anxious to see their new boat...because, you know, the first one was such a freaking embarrassment. Having the ugliest boat in AC history was not quite the gong they were hoping for.....

True and I see that the Frackers have dropped the “there is no second” branding quite urgently.

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9 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Come on you are better than that.

We didn’t laugh  as teehee went on a 4 month cruise to Sardinia and back.. why couldn’t  they have flown it? Or did the missing 3mil impact the transport budget? 
 

There is no missing $$$$$$$$.

And you know well the bug Fucked up the tour.

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15 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Come on you are better than that.

We didn’t laugh  as teehee went on a 4 month cruise to Sardinia and back.. why couldn’t  they have flown it? Or did the missing 3mil impact the transport budget? 
 

Nah spent the savings on Te Faster Future Te Kahu which  will show Te Results.

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2 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Nah spent the savings on Te Faster Future Te Kahu which  will show Te Results.

Funny how you swing between hating GD and his major sponsor,and being a fan. Good thing there's not 16 teams. Sybil.

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4 minutes ago, weta27 said:

Admit it, you will feel a whole lot better when Britannia 2 is out there on the Hauraki Gulf ruling the waves?

What’s that old adage oh yeah if it looks good it usually is well the Frackers  efforts with HMS Brittanica have depressed Mr Radcliffes economy so much so that he has now sort tax relief by relocating to Monaco.

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3 minutes ago, barfy said:

Funny how you swing between hating GD and his major sponsor,and being a fan. Good thing there's not 16 teams. Sybil.

Never had anything against GD but yup dipping into the blood spattered purse of the Emirates will never be accepted.

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6 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

I know, weta is one of the good guys so was fucking about, covid fucked everyone, every team lost water time.

 

Fuck the bug. Really, any of us that has time and resources to bleat on about a b$$$ sailboat race isn't really affected.

Many more poor souls are. 

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Just now, barfy said:

Fuck the bug. Really, any of us that has time and resources to bleat on about a b$$$ sailboat race isn't really affected.

Many more poor souls are. 

Exactly, if the AC is the biggest concern any of us have in life, we ain’t struggling. 

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5 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Exactly, if the AC is the biggest concern any of us have in life, we ain’t struggling. 

True  very true but some struggles and surprises lay imminently ahead for some contestants in the $Billion Cup.

Maybe on the backdrop of an ever expanding global crisis this four ringed circus should have been placed on hold until a more stable future for humanity can be established.

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3 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Never had anything against GD but yup dipping into the blood spattered purse of the Emirates will never be accepted.

Good on you. 

I find all huge money splattered with the blood of the 99%, but that's just my lefty lens I reckon

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11 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Maybe on the backdrop of an ever expanding global crisis this four ringed circus should have been placed on hold until a more stable future for humanity can be established.

Gonna build a boat and wait five or ten years to see how she goes ?

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56 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

What’s that old adage oh yeah if it looks good it usually is well the Frackers  efforts with HMS Brittanica have depressed Mr Radcliffes economy so much so that he has now sort tax relief by relocating to Monaco.

But campaigning for Brexit. I cannot eat enough for what I want to puke. 

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8 hours ago, barfy said:

Gonna build a boat and wait five or ten years to see how she goes ?

Been done before.

http://www.america-scoop.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=417:shamrock-iv-s-story&catid=173&Itemid=423&lang=en

The Cup was suspended as World War I broke out.

Shamrock IV was crossing the Atlantic with the steam yacht Erin, destined for Bermuda, when Britain declared war on Germany on 5 August 1914. Harold Stirling Vanderbilt, the Commodore of the New York Yacht Club, had sent his own yacht, the Vagrant, from Rhode Island to Bermuda to meet them and escort them to the US. The Vagrant arrived on the 8th. Having no radio, the crew remained unaware of the declaration of war. Finding all navigational markers missing, the Vagrant crew attempted to pick their own way in through the barrier reef. St. David's Battery fired a warning shot to bring them to a halt. Shamrock IV and Erin arrived the next day. The America's Cup was cancelled for that year.

The Shamrock IV and Erin proceeded to New York, from where the Erin returned to Britain while Shamrock IV was laid up in the Erie Basin dry dock until 1920, when she received some adjustments to her build and ballast, just before the races were held. Despite Shamrock IV's severe rating, she took the first two races from the defender Resolute, and came closer to winning back the Cup than any previous challenger. The Resolute won every subsequent race of the event.

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1 hour ago, The_Alchemist said:

I see that an AN-124 has landed in RAF Brize Norton (just outside of Oxford) on September 26th.  That is about 90 mile north of Portsmouth.

 

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UR82072

 

 

RAF Brize Norton provided my first experience in a helicopter - An RAF Wessex with quite a good pilot. Looks like that aircraft is on a little shopping trip to Sarajevo. Must be an ex-Soviet carrier pilot with that landing.

 

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1 hour ago, Raptorsailor said:

It went to Sarajevo.

Interestingly another A124 (callsign UR82009 flight no ADB380F)  flew from Brize to London Stanstead yesterday evening 27th... Landed at 7:43pm. 
London Stanstead is a civilian airport North of London and more likely able to handle non military cargo... still appears to be there according to Flightradar24 

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ur-82009  

 

anyone seen an oversize lorry going up the M3 and M25 recently? 

 

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6 minutes ago, ed__miller said:

Interestingly another A124 (callsign UR82009 flight no ADB380F)  flew from Brize to London Stanstead yesterday evening 27th... Landed at 7:43pm. 
London Stanstead is a civilian airport North of London and more likely able to handle non military cargo... still appears to be there according to Flightradar24 

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ur-82009  

 

anyone seen an oversize lorry going up the M3 and M25 recently? 

 

I see that flight also flew into BZZ before it jumped to London.  These planes are hard to track.  

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2 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

I see that flight also flew into BZZ before it jumped to London.  These planes are hard to track.  

Indeed. I guess if this one is shuttling around between Brize, Trieste, Sarajevo, Kandahar, Kuwait, Dubai, and Karachi in the last 3 days I am guessing the cargo is probably military hardware they want to keep you guessing as to where they are ;) 

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He is an evil Chemical genius billionaire, how else does he smuggle ivory, unicorn tears and the like around the world? 
 

Currently I don’t  think he does, only messing as he dies have his own planes, how much is an Antonv anyway?  Net worth has risen by 1.4 Billion this year so so I think he is good for it? 

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21 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

He is an evil Chemical genius billionaire, how else does he smuggle ivory, unicorn tears and the like around the world? 
 

Currently I don’t  think he does, only messing as he dies have his own planes, how much is an Antonv anyway?  Net worth has risen by 1.4 Billion this year so so I think he is good for it? 

I think they are like 100M all up, or you can get one for a nickel if you say something nice about Putin

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10 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

Rather a serious accusation to throw around randomly (and wrongly)

Holy shit. I was making comment on how you appeared to be lumping all kiwis together with one stereotype, including Weta who, quite frankly, we all owe a lot to and is well above the mud slinging that goes on here. Nothing to do with “race”.

 

It was a joke. Next time I’ll use the sarcasm font to make it clearer. 

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3 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

Holy shit. I was making comment on how you appeared to be lumping all kiwis together with one stereotype, including Weta who, quite frankly, we all owe a lot to and is well above the mud slinging that goes on here. Nothing to do with “race”.

 

It was a joke. Next time I’ll use the sarcasm font to make it clearer. 

Fair enough. Then I apologise. But nowadays that sort of comment isn't much of a joke (rightly). And  of course Weta was lumping all Brits in together but oddly you never made the same comment about him

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2 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Fair enough. Then I apologise. But nowadays that sort of comment isn't much of a joke (rightly). And  of course Weta was lumping all Brits in together but oddly you never made the same comment about him

That’s because he’s one of us. ;-)

Your apology is equally unnecessary and rare on these pages. #respect. 

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Given the total lack of apologies from the  two kiwis using racist language or race slurs,  smack daddy and Indio,

 I think it’s not much of a surprise that some of us find it tricky to apologise for more minor indiscretions. 

 

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America's Cup challenger INEOS Team UK offers first glimpse of new boat
By nzherald.co.nz

The second race boat built by America's Cup challenger INEOS Team UK is bound for New Zealand.

The 75-foot race boat (code named RB2) will take four days, with two stopovers, onboard a 1987 Ukrainian Antonov cargo plane to get to Auckland.

Once the race boat arrives at the newly constructed INEOS Team UK base in the Viaduct the final fit out will be completed ready for her launch and maiden sail next month.

Holders Team New Zealand and challenger American Magic are already testing in Waitemata Harbour but the Italian Luna Rossa Challenger of Record is likely to face two months with no sailing, having wound up its European summer sailing campaign in Sardinia on August 28.

Four times Olympic Gold medallist, America's Cup winner, INEOS Team UK Team Principal and skipper Sir Ben Ainslie is currently in two-week mandatory quarantine and counting down the days until sailing operations begin.

"As a challenger you're always playing catch up on the race boat design from the Defender who gets to define the rules," he said.

"That's the game we chose to compete in, so we had to give ourselves maximum design and build time in the UK, which meant the Antonov was the only transport option. It's testament to the huge effort by the whole team to get RB2 built and delivered to New Zealand on schedule. We can't wait to get her out sailing."

RB2 leaving the INEOS Team UK base in Portsmouth. Photo / Harry KH INEOS Team UK
Project Director Dave Endean has overseen the build and safe transportation of RB2 to New Zealand.

"It's been a huge operation to get to this point and a real team effort.", said Dave Endean.


"The logistics of moving an entire America's Cup team, including two AC75 boats, to New Zealand are not insignificant and it has taken a lot of time and hard work from the entire team to make it happen. It was an important milestone to get our race boat on the Antonov cargo plane today and I, and the rest of our team left in the UK, can't wait to join the team in New Zealand now and get sailing in the Auckland Harbour."

Ainslie is promising a vastly different second generation AC75 to their first boat 'Britannia.'

Earlier this month, Ainslie told NZME from his base in Portsmouth that all the team's boats will be significantly different.

"I was talking to Grant Dalton (Team NZ CEO) the other day and he was saying even with the New Zealand boat and Italian boats, which are similar, they are making some big changes and you would expect that in a new class and development class like this, there will be some really big differences," he said.

"There will be some big differences in performance for sure when we first line up against each other and the key will be how quickly the teams develop and keep developing through the competition."

Ainslie believes the two months leading up to the Christmas Cup regatta featuring all four teams will be more intense than usual in the America's Cup cycle due to the uncertainty and unknown created by the Covid-19 pandemic. The cancellation of the Cagliari and Portsmouth regattas has added another level of intrigue and Ainslie's excited.

"There's so much more intrigue because no one's lined up in a brand new class of boat. It's going to be a really intense period for all the teams and really exciting to see how people line up and how they develop and which teams develop through the competition, so it's going to be a lot to take in in the next six months in the America's Cup world," he said.

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1 hour ago, KiwiJoker said:

Now there is a PR setup shot if ever I saw one!

Now pull the other leg. I'll believe this when I see the vid.

AC75 trailer sailer.

The 75-foot race boat (code named RB2), that will race in the America’s Cup from January 2021, was helped onboard an Antonov cargo plane by the team’s uncompromising new prototype INEOS Grenadier 4x4, before being secured for take-off.

https://www.ineosteamuk.com/en/articles/292_RB2-heads-to-New-Zealand.html

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34 minutes ago, Status quo said:

So anyone know how high you can fly one of these boats, before you have core bond problems with the Nomex ?

Give the cup to the kiwis... anyone that flew their race boats in is having delam issues... 

unless nomex had started out gassing suddenly it will be fine 

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3 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

Now there is a PR setup shot if ever I saw one!

Now pull the other leg. I'll believe this when I see the vid.

Hull weight 1-1.5 ton with wrapping etc plus trailer grenadier has a tow weight of 3.5 so maybe? 
of course it’s A PR shit but not entirely impossible? 

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26 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Hull weight 1-1.5 ton with wrapping etc plus trailer grenadier has a tow weight of 3.5 so maybe? 
of course it’s A PR shit but not entirely impossible? 

1.5 tons for a 75 footer, no way. I thought they were more like 7 tons lightship. 

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The INEOS cycling team were re-branded to INEOS Grenadiers this summer so I wouldn't be surprised if we see some more active Grenadier branding on the AC team once they launch in AKL. From a commercial perspective I would think INEOS have more to gain with the Grenadier through the AC coverage than for the petrochemical side...

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3 hours ago, ed__miller said:

So she’s made it to Dubai... where next I wonder? Can she go all the way to Auckland in one? 
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ADB3280

Looking at the atlas; Auckland is just under 9000 miles from Dubai so am guessing Rita will hop over to Malaysia or Singapore before making her final leg to Auckland... no movement yet 

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UR82009

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35 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

they are doing global testing with grenadier  and already have them in NZ so its not that unlikely that they will pop up around the place 

Wow you are really up on all his business, do you want to be the Spinboy of AC36 - billionaire enabler?

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32 minutes ago, ed__miller said:

Looking at the atlas; Auckland is just under 9000 miles from Dubai so am guessing Rita will hop over to Malaysia or Singapore before making her final leg to Auckland... no movement yet 

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UR82009

The article on Sailworld says "two stopover journey".

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37 minutes ago, nav said:

 

Wow you are really up on all his business, do you want to be the Spinboy of AC36 - billionaire enabler?

not really, I like cars, that information is part of the globally released info for the development of the vehicle. so you know, available to anyone that has visited the vehicle web site or read any of the information on it.

I like sailing, I have a mate on the crew so I support them / the team.

my GF works for Ratcliffe in one of his businesses for over 10 years , and the way he has treated the staff in that business through Covid has been exemplary.

so if that makes me "up on his business" ,  the ability to read a web site and support a mate in the AC, then it says more about you than me.

 

 

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4 hours ago, ed__miller said:

So she’s made it to Dubai... where next I wonder? Can she go all the way to Auckland in one? 
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ADB3280

Spending the night in Dubai for some sleep, re fuel and they are buying all their fuel for the chase boats in Dubai special price...! :D

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=5109115992447398&set=gm.2719016405008948

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42 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Spending the night in Dubai for some sleep, re fuel and they are buying all their fuel for the chase boats in Dubai special price...! :D

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=5109115992447398&set=gm.2719016405008948

Dead link for me..really? Filling the plane full of fuel?

That would be more dangerous than packing it full of armaments.

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At least the bow and the stern are different from boat # 1.
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Anyone noticed boat No 1 didn't sail a single official match?
Training and testing is all it did.

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8 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

they are doing global testing with grenadier  and already have them in NZ so its not that unlikely that they will pop up around the place 

Yup I've seen the stories, maybe this is how they get it here. Still, that testing is typically at SHPG (https://www.shpg.co.nz/) which is private.

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5 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

none of them raced though? are you suggesting that there is a loophole somewhere now?

Besides this cup is auxiliary power assisted?
No, not reallly,... It's done on mutual consent.

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14 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

I am confused as to what you are getting at?

What are you meaning? 

Battery cells are full when started and otherwise those flying Teslas are not able to race a normal race track.
No one is capable of lifting 1382 Kg by physical labour, everytime you tack or gybe 15 times.
Those battery packs are not charged by the grinders but by shore power.

They are E boats. like it or not, it's not your decision.
They wanted spectaculair never seen before boats and in that they suceeded.
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3 minutes ago, Lickindip said:

just wait until this guy finds out what Alinghi 5 had installed on their boat in AC33!!!

That was a dog-fight (Deed Of Gift) Same issue,
They designed somethng that couldn't be handeled without auxilairy power
A 90 x 90 multihull proved to be not able to handle by man power.
Just like lifting a weight the size of a car everytime you tack or gybe...

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