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2 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Oh yes, there was another team. Can't remember their name. Think someone said they left early to go to the dentist crentist.

 

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shes legit ... foil arm looks to be in the front end of the box ... opposite of all other teams ... what are we going to read into that?

ETNZ are probably favorites .....but win or lose....Team New Zealand have firmly established themselves as the all time great AC nation in the modern era.   From the time they first emerged, they have

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1 hour ago, dullers said:

Has INEOS been out since the 28th? Asking for a friend who cant cope with no on water activity.

Suffering from the same ailment i.e how to find some patience. 

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2 minutes ago, Paddywackery said:

Suffering from the same ailment i.e how to find some patience. 

How is are you coping with this?  I have, I mean my friend has been trolling Kiwis but still finds it is no replacement for on the water banter.

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I have just been looking at E1 Captained by James Cook RN. It is uncanny how they have gone back to tried and true technology in their search to beat the Indigenous war canoe. B2 is a replica of E1. I suspect Cook was the first to foil. 

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6 minutes ago, dullers said:

How is are you coping with this?  I have, I mean my friend has been trolling Kiwis but still finds it is no replacement for on the water banter.

Locked up, locked in, locked out with this Covid, and finding the AC a blessing for the spirit and the heart. It’s as though it’s a different world ..... no masks, fun and a great spectacle on the water. And Auckland looks spectacular, well done New Zealand. 
 

Other than that, I’m going mad.

 

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1 minute ago, Kiwing said:

The vacc is coming which will allow more careful inter ? and exchange of ?  Which in general is enjoyable here in NZ.

Yeah it’s coming alright, so are the Martians and the baby Jesus. Very slow rollout ......

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5 minutes ago, Paddywackery said:

Yeah it’s coming alright, so are the Martians and the baby Jesus. Very slow rollout ......

Going quick in UK though. I think 10 million already done

 

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Just now, dullers said:

Going quick in UK though. I think 10 million already done

 

True, Boris wrote fat cheques and outfoxed the morons in Brussels who were knitting handbags.

Just now, dullers said:

 

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5 minutes ago, dullers said:

Going quick in UK though. I think 10 million already done

 

That's half a vaccine, the second doses are now 3 months, not 21 days as recommended. 

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19 minutes ago, Paddywackery said:

Locked up, locked in, locked out with this Covid, and finding the AC a blessing for the spirit and the heart. It’s as though it’s a different world ..... no masks, fun and a great spectacle on the water. And Auckland looks spectacular, well done New Zealand. 
 

Other than that, I’m going mad.

 

Chin up old chap the storm will pass and the sun will shine.

Here in the home of the Cup we have no comprehension of what your communities are experiencing and the lousy weather must be adding to the chaos.

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1 minute ago, mad said:

That's half a vaccine, the second doses are now 3 months, not 21 days as recommended. 

Actually one of vaccines has trials evidence to support the separation. And the scientists seem pretty confident on others. It was them that proposed the separation originally after all.

Plus the half million who have had both doses is more than have had the single dose in many countries

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8 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Chin up old chap the storm will pass and the sun will shine.

Here in the home of the Cup we have no comprehension of what your communities are experiencing and the lousy weather must be adding to the chaos.

Very good advice which propels us forward for the most part but this is our 3rd and longest, the weather is dark and dreary and we’re all suffering mentally. 
 

But it will get better and watching the AC is cheering me up no end. It’s great to have something to look forward to and I have watched everything I can find, several times over. 
 

And reading all the contributions, whacky, funny, informative and occasionally gnarly, let’s me believe I’m not alone and I’m part of something. So thank you all. 
 

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9 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Actually one of vaccines has trials evidence to support the separation. And the scientists seem pretty confident on others. It was them that proposed the separation originally after all.

Plus the half million who have had both doses is more than have had the single dose in many countries

True. But some of us have done the math and at the rate we’re going, it’ll take 5 years ...... just in time for the next bat flu. 
 

In truth, we will most likely be swimming in vaccines soon.

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17 minutes ago, mad said:

That's half a vaccine, the second doses are now 3 months, not 21 days as recommended. 

They are looking at mixing them

 

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1 hour ago, dullers said:

I have just been looking at E1 Captained by James Cook RN. It is uncanny how they have gone back to tried and true technology in their search to beat the Indigenous war canoe. B2 is a replica of E1. I suspect Cook was the first to foil. 

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E1 would probably foil here, when he went up for a taste of the cold. The Barren Islands entrance to Cook inlet.

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42 minutes ago, dullers said:

Going quick in UK though. I think 10 million already done

 

Only half done, one dose of the vaccine is not enough and pretty much no-one has had a second dose.

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10 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

Only half done, one dose of the vaccine is not enough and pretty much no-one has had a second dose.

and your point? Still 10 mill more than most.......

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1 hour ago, dullers said:

I have just been looking at E1 Captained by James Cook RN. It is uncanny how they have gone back to tried and true technology in their search to beat the Indigenous war canoe. B2 is a replica of E1. I suspect Cook was the first to foil. 

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It just won't be enough to satisfy though. 

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58 minutes ago, mad said:

That's half a vaccine, the second doses are now 3 months, not 21 days as recommended. 

Actually one of vaccines has trials evidence to support the separation. And the scientists seem pretty confident on others. It was them that proposed the separation originally after all.

Plus the half million who have had both doses is more than have had the single dose in many countries

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14 minutes ago, dullers said:

and your point? Still 10 mill more than most.......

Still more dead than most as well................;)

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28 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

Only half done, one dose of the vaccine is not enough and pretty much no-one has had a second dose.

Studies in Israel suggest that one (1) shot could be enough for 90% efficacy after 21 days. If confirmed, no second shot would be needed.

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9 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said:

It just won't be enough to satisfy though. 

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I come from the "grateful school of thinking"

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5 minutes ago, mad said:

Still more dead than most as well................;)

We tick all the boxes. Aging population, obesity and density of population.  Not sure if i would gloat over it. I was looking at the good news in that we were getting the vac rolled out. You win.

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27 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Actually one of vaccines has trials evidence to support the separation. And the scientists seem pretty confident on others. It was them that proposed the separation originally after all.

Plus the half million who have had both doses is more than have had the single dose in many countries

I dont think Mad is interested  in good news about the UK.

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22 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Studies in Israel suggest that one (1) shot could be enough for 90% efficacy after 21 days. If confirmed, no second shot would be needed.

They later then rescinded that,  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/single-covid-vaccine-dose-in-israel-less-effective-than-we-hoped

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4 hours ago, dullers said:

Has INEOS been out since the 28th? Asking for a friend who cant cope with no on water activity.

Mast is going on so looks like they will be out today.

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1 hour ago, JonRowe said:

Only half done, one dose of the vaccine is not enough and pretty much no-one has had a second dose.

"Moderna actually collected data from people who only received one dose of its vaccine, Gill says. Some 2,000 participants in Moderna’s phase three clinical trial received just a single injection of either a placebo or the vaccine. In that population, the efficacy of the single vaccine dose was roughly 80 to 90%."
 
“[Moderna] was not shy about showing that a single dose was so effective, and they do the math right," Gill says. “After 14 days, the [single dose] vaccine is remarkably effective.”
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4 minutes ago, pluscount said:
"Moderna actually collected data from people who only received one dose of its vaccine, Gill says. Some 2,000 participants in Moderna’s phase three clinical trial received just a single injection of either a placebo or the vaccine. In that population, the efficacy of the single vaccine dose was roughly 80 to 90%."
 
“[Moderna] was not shy about showing that a single dose was so effective, and they do the math right," Gill says. “After 14 days, the [single dose] vaccine is remarkably effective.”

That's what I meant, but it was corrected by JonRowe. So all in all, we don't really know, like so often.

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51 minutes ago, weta27 said:

Mast is going on so looks like they will be out today.

Thanks. I will tell my friend. I was getting worried about him.

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26 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

That's what I meant, but it was corrected by JonRowe. So all in all, we don't really know, like so often.

What was corrected by JonRowe referred to the Pfizer vac, not Moderna.  But i agree that we peons don't really know.  I'm getting my first Moderna vac next Tuesday.  Wish me luck.

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2 hours ago, dullers said:

I come from the "grateful school of thinking"

Yeah, chuck a few grand at it and it might be ok. As for Ineos, they're about to sniff the gusset of success. Hope they don't blow their bolt before the gravey flows. 

Mmmm grool. 

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20 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said:

Yeah, chuck a few grand at it and it might be ok. As for Ineos, they're about to sniff the gusset of success. Hope they don't blow their bolt before the gravey flows. 

Mmmm grool. 

Like all sports I enjoy sniffing.

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15 hours ago, chesirecat said:

LIttle vid on control system strategies. Be great if the other teams did these if only to help the AC profile in general. Interesting little clip of the foil flap moving underwater

 

Very interesting.  So he did confirm that he foil flaps on each side work independently.  It does sound like they have a cohesive strategy on the control surfaces with the computer linking them.  I remember AM saying they they had to get the feeling right between the three people who controlled the surfaces (sounds more prone to feel adjustments instead of number optimizations.

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13 hours ago, JonRowe said:

Only half done, one dose of the vaccine is not enough and pretty much no-one has had a second dose.

One dose provides significantly better protection  than no dose. Generally I am all for the precautionary principle, including using medications in the way they were tested. The middle of a pandemic is maybe time to shake off some rigidity in thinking. 

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1 hour ago, weta27 said:

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It seems they made huge modifications to the bow! Now it resembles the bow of a chase boat! Will that be compliant? The yellow card is going to  become red  :-) :-)

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4 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Waiting for Prada to file complaint that They gain an unfair advantage by having operational running back stays 

I heard the next one was that actually that they believe there is a disparity between the boat that has been officially entered and the one sailing. Is it Rita or Britannia? 

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17 hours ago, dullers said:

Was that the indigenous AC entry that out sailed them?  Almost identical to the first AC race back in the 1700s. I have read about that. I think the last words James Cook ever said were "We need to get another 10% out of Endeavor."

No one in NZ is indigenous, we all arrived here in boats....

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12 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Waiting for Prada to file complaint that They gain an unfair advantage by having operational running back stays 

What would make me laugh would be LR getting a yellow card for their backstay arrangements...

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14 minutes ago, Nutta said:

What would make me laugh would be LR getting a yellow card for their backstay arrangements...

Indeed. Don’t think  they have had the bottle to race without them. INEOS will play just as dirty if they have to 

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9 hours ago, The_Alchemist said:

US at 33 million shots, but that is a drop in the bucket.  I hope to get in line by May/June.

My son gets his tomorrow because of work but the wife and I have not heard yet.

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29 minutes ago, Nutta said:

No one in NZ is indigenous, we all arrived here in boats....

Non Pakeha then.  I hope all the boats met the AC rules or they could be sent back.

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I just prefer to think of everyone here as New Zealanders or Kiwis. Don't give a flying fuck about ethnic history, and generally anyone that gets wound up about that should examine their own inner racist...

Ditto sexuality, sleep with whatever the hell you like, just don't expect me to cheer you on, because I really don't care.

Ditto religion. Whatever imaginary magical sky fairy you believe in is your business...

But start demanding special treatment for your views and beliefs, and we've got a problem...

(Edit. - for fuck sake, put some boats on the water, racing like, otherwise we'll get all political and philosophical, and that will end badly...)

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4 hours ago, mako23 said:

 

Looking vey slow and unsteady. Also I heard the crew were unhappy because of Bens management skills.

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3 minutes ago, Nutta said:

I just prefer to think of everyone here as New Zealanders or Kiwis. Don't give a flying fuck about ethnic history, and generally anyone that gets wound up about that should examine their own inner racist...

Ditto sexuality, sleep with whatever the hell you like, just don't expect me to cheer you on, because I really don't care.

Ditto religion. Whatever imaginary magical sky fairy you believe in is your business...

But start demanding special treatment for your views and beliefs, and we've got a problem...

(Edit. - for fuck sake, put some boats on the water, racing like, otherwise we'll get all political and philosophical, and that will end badly...)

You sort of undermined "Don't give a flying fuck" with that reply. I will get on to my inner racist when I have sorted out my gender.

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4 minutes ago, Nutta said:

 

(Edit. - for fuck sake, put some boats on the water, racing like, otherwise we'll get all political and philosophical, and that will end badly...)

We (Brits and Italians) at least have the 6 nations starting this weekend 

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15 hours ago, chesirecat said:

E1 would probably foil here, when he went up for a taste of the cold. The Barren Islands entrance to Cook inlet.

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I think he would have foiled in the Cook straits west to east. Not only because the winds are ideal but he would have enjoyed the coincidence of it having the same name as him. 

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1 minute ago, enigmatically2 said:

We (Brits and Italians) at least have the 6 nations starting this weekend 

Bliss. I never thought I would say this but the Rugby rules are easier to follow than the AC rules.

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7 minutes ago, Nutta said:

I just prefer to think of everyone here as New Zealanders or Kiwis. Don't give a flying fuck about ethnic history, and generally anyone that gets wound up about that should examine their own inner racist...

Ditto sexuality, sleep with whatever the hell you like, just don't expect me to cheer you on, because I really don't care.

Ditto religion. Whatever imaginary magical sky fairy you believe in is your business...

But start demanding special treatment for your views and bseliefs, and we've got a problem...

(Edit. - for fuck sake, put some boats on the water, racing like, otherwise we'll get all political and philosophical, and that will end badly...)

So, you're not donating to the gay Irish priests protection society this year?

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4 hours ago, mako23 said:

 

7minutes and 17 seconds of boat porn if you are a pom. Still 3 times longer than i normally last.

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2 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said:

So, you're not donating to the gay Irish priests protection society this year?

No, I'll pop on my "Nuke the unborn gay whales for Jesus" t-shirt though.

I support diversity. I hate everyone equally...

 

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6 minutes ago, Nutta said:

No, I'll pop on my "Nuke the unborn gay whales for Jesus" t-shirt though.

I support diversity. I hate everyone equally...

 

Same here. My wife hates me only. So I am not sure which one of us is the better person. I will ask my wife that question. I think I can guess the answer.

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20 minutes ago, dullers said:

7minutes and 17 seconds of boat porn if you are a pom. Still 3 times longer than i normally last.

"They look fast and steady as a rock."

"No no no, they're slow as, and wobbling all over the place!"

I need some racing. My left eye is arguing with my right eye. :blink:

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Just now, Salty Seacock said:
35 minutes ago, Nutta said:

 

Enlightened... 8)

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4 minutes ago, mako23 said:

Apparently Rita has been in the shed for a couple of days. I wonder what they were doing to her

I hope something illegal and underhand as perfidious Albion has a reputation to maintain.

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9 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

"They look fast and steady as a rock."

"No no no, they're slow as, and wobbling all over the place!"

I need some racing. My left eye is arguing with my right eye. :blink:

Yes. But, get your hand off it if your eyes are crossed. Do some math. 

BTW does anyone remember ETNZ were 1 km ahead after one lap in the world series race 1? 

10% improvements ain't gonna cut it. 

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1 minute ago, minimumfuss said:

Yes. But, get your hand off it if your eyes are crossed. Do some math. 

BTW does anyone remember ETNZ were 1 km ahead after one lap in the world series race 1? 

10% improvements ain't gonna cut it. 

So AM winning against ETNZ at Xmas... and now being first home.

might that suggest that the Xmas cup races are not much of a performance yardstick? 

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8 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

Yes. But, get your hand off it if your eyes are crossed. Do some math. 

BTW does anyone remember ETNZ were 1 km ahead after one lap in the world series race 1? 

10% improvements ain't gonna cut it. 

I think GB have already shown more than 10% improvement from ACWS to RRs

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#222 INEOS Team UK | 5th Feb 2021 | Finally Out Of The Shed - YouTube

 

pause it at 1.58. shot straight down the boom, given its a 'fixed' boom that a hell of a lot of depth but  what struck me was the amount of twist there is now., also in the previous video that was shot closer to the camera the relative  lack of traveler movement through the gybe or tack with the power control coming from internal rig set up rather than big traveler movement.

 

if I had to guess the time and effort has gone into the rig.

 

oh and they had an extra body clambering around at the back of the boat too, give the poor fucker a seat?

 

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20 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

Yes. But, get your hand off it if your eyes are crossed. Do some math. 

BTW does anyone remember ETNZ were 1 km ahead after one lap in the world series race 1? 

10% improvements ain't gonna cut it. 

They lapped INEOS though and then INEOS beat them in another race. So what improvement % are the poms on now?  Do the maths.

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14 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

I think GB have already shown more than 10% improvement from ACWS to RRs

They lapped us in one race and then we beat them in another.

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3 hours ago, dogwatch said:

One dose provides significantly better protection  than no dose. Generally I am all for the precautionary principle, including using medications in the way they were tested. The middle of a pandemic is maybe time to shake off some rigidity in thinking. 

The vaccines in question, Pfizer and Astra Zeneca, although the dosing strategy originally comes from Pfizer, where tested in one large dose and then by accident* two small doses,  so literally, a single dose is half a dose. So yes a half dose is probably better than no dose, but it has also shown to be more temporary than the full dose. So the UK Government is risking people being half vaccinated, and losing that immunity, and starting over again in 6 months time, all to gain some political clout over "look at our vaccine count"**.

* If I'm remember correctly it was they accidentally used the wrong, smaller dose, then topped it up, and found that the split smaller doses was more effective than a single, normal size dose.

 

** Yes hypothetically it is legitimate to have temporary cover to try to save the pressure on the NHS, but this government has always followed the politics before the science so I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Now, I apologise for the break in AC bollocks, I've been trying hard to not get dragged into political bs and I slipped.

Can we please get back to talking about keely foily things and semi rigid wings :lol::lol::lol:

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For a second I thought they were trying the Italian no back stay trick, but then I realised it's just really hard to see against the sail :lol: (also I see the pro-displacement flag officers of the NYYC are out for a sail).

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6 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

Now, I apologise for the break in AC bollocks, I've been trying hard to not get dragged into political bs and I slipped.

Can we please get back to talking about keely foily things and semi rigid wings :lol::lol::lol:

There is not really much to talk about until next weekend. But by all means, let's take Covid talk elsewhere/nowhere.

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My first sensible post today. Have looked over INEOS video twice with second cup of coffee.  At 1:53 when they tack(I think it is a tack) they start to go really fast on the downwind. My guess is it is over 50 knots at that point for a few seconds. Do the back stays create more windage lose or tightened? MY guess is lose.  I think they have done something and i think it is a speed gain because they are not so steady re ride height.   My guess is that they are learning now to fly a slightly more twitchy boat. My guess is that it is the rig that has been fiddled with more than the foils. Any thoughts. (Of course I must add that the Kiwi boat is twice as fast)

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6 minutes ago, dogwatch said:

There is not really much to talk about until next weekend. But by all means, let's take Covid talk elsewhere/nowhere.

If your crew have covid does that increase or decrease the vmg?

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6 minutes ago, dullers said:

Me and Ben. 

 

7 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

the only team that happened to was AM wasn't it?

The other boat overdid the high mode.37575902_Screenshot(1854).thumb.png.1226c7b6b7c780e90624f205744f0126.png

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36 minutes ago, dullers said:

My first sensible post today. Have looked over INEOS video twice with second cup of coffee.  At 1:53 when they tack(I think it is a tack) they start to go really fast on the downwind. My guess is it is over 50 knots at that point for a few seconds. Do the back stays create more windage lose or tightened? MY guess is lose.  I think they have done something and i think it is a speed gain because they are not so steady re ride height.   My guess is that they are learning now to fly a slightly more twitchy boat. My guess is that it is the rig that has been fiddled with more than the foils. Any thoughts. (Of course I must add that the Kiwi boat is twice as fast)

Interesting you mention the term 'a more twitchy' boat. Cleary, it's a balancing act with enormous consequences. we saw Oracle team USA tweak performance in the finals in Bermuda to the point where it was faster, but jittery. And that has to affect confidence and overall performance.

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2 hours ago, dullers said:

Looking vey slow and unsteady. Also I heard the crew were unhappy because of Bens management skills.

To my ear, Ben and Giles seem very measured and impressive in the on boat management around the course. A critically important aspect of any leadership is communication. Now I don't know what else happens on or off the field water but it will be interesting to see what happens.

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

who is this we?

If the closest you ever get to sport is seeing other people doing it on TV, you're allowed to adopt one team per sport and then talk as if you're a member of that team. You're also allowed to claim their successes as your own (but not the failures, obviously).

I have no idea if this is just a British thing, or whether other nationalities have been granted the same rights.

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2 hours ago, mako23 said:

Apparently Rita has been in the shed for a couple of days. I wonder what they were doing to her

If this was an Alabama hill billy forum, that comment might raise a few eyebrows.

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2 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

who is this we? 

 

We is them, because we lapped them in one race and then they beat us in another. 

Hope now it's more clear :-D