The_Alchemist 1,329 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, MastaVonBlasta said: Really cool shot - I wish I could spectate the racing from this viewpoint.... It is funny how they shot it at such an angle, may it is a throw back to the heeling of the old displacement boats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southseasbill 154 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Ben's toughest challenge. Not staring at her cleavage: 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,131 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 8 minutes ago, southseasbill said: Ben's toughest challenge. Not staring at her cleavage: Not an easy task indeed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Ohh the scandal, I wonder what his wife would make of it... ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJD 203 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: Ohh the scandal, I wonder what his wife would make of it... ;-) I wonder what the baby sitter thinks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,571 Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 Pretty unique in sports, a star taking an interview with his wife. It works, somehow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
36thLatitude 88 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 51 minutes ago, southseasbill said: Ben's toughest challenge. Not staring at her cleavage: Oooo...she called him old, thats gotta hurt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 213 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I am amazed that Ben still trots out the trope that the rules violation they committed was not "performance enhancing". That is just BS. He needs to drop it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 5,035 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 And no mention of FCS issues, the ones that he blamed ETNZ for, but which suddenly disappeared??? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,571 Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, weta27 said: And no mention of FCS issues, the ones that he blamed ETNZ for, Oh my Christ, I completely forgot that BA dared to question if the OD FCS was being treated fairly. And about if ETNZ may have better software and support versions? Blasphemy - Hang ‘em up!!!!! Buuuurn the Witches!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 454 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Lat35sowth said: Oooo...she called him old, thats gotta hurt. In the interests s of equality i noticed her looking at his hands. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 454 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 hours ago, southseasbill said: Ben's toughest challenge. Not staring at her cleavage: In the interests of equality i noticed she looked at his hands. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 5,035 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 26 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Oh my Christ, I completely forgot that BA dared to question if the OD FCS was being treated fairly. And about if ETNZ may have better software and support versions? Blasphemy - Hang ‘em up!!!!! Buuuurn the Witches!!!!!!! If it was ETNZ's fault when it didn't work, then presumably it was ETNZ that fixed the problem?? Around the same time that Rita suddenly became so much more stable and so much faster??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LCS Carbon 173 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 15 minutes ago, dullers said: In the interests s of equality i noticed her looking at his hands. Didn't these two date back in 2013 ish?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jsn7821 35 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Flags said: Didn't these two date back in 2013 ish?? Is everyone here just playing along or do we all know that she's his wife? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ClickClickBoom 2 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Yep. Quite the little nibblet there! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,124 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Ineos have been seen out on the water towing a bit and by all reports could be foil tweaks? Anyone else got any info on this, sounds very late for a foil tweak or change? https://www.youtube.com/post/UgwUvewkt4JcK87Spbp4AaABCQ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJD 203 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Ineos have been seen out on the water towing a bit and by all reports could be foil tweaks? Anyone else got any info on this, sounds very late for a foil tweak or change? https://www.youtube.com/post/UgwUvewkt4JcK87Spbp4AaABCQ They were measured on Monday so I doubt they can do any measurement rule tweaks or changes. Could certainly be software/control system though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,511 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 9 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Anyone else got any info on this, sounds very late for a foil tweak or change? Can they change after being measured? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the saint 43 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 would that not defeat the point of being measured ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flippin Out 130 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 49 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: Can they change after being measured? Apparently so, they've done it previously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 5,035 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The best I could do, sorry. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,511 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 ^^^ Great shot of the old girl. Still looking good even though she's 30+ years old. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 5,035 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The NZ Sailing Trust does a great job of preserving these icons of our maritime history. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KingMonkey 115 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 It looks from some angles like they have done something to the foil centre section and there is more of a bulb. Am a bit doubtful as the photo angle is tricky and would seem strange to break it out today. But there definitely seems to be some kind of protuberance and to my eye the anhedral angle seems flatter. Not sure about that but the protuberance seems to be there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MastaVonBlasta 132 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 They do look a bit different from this angle. As if the foil flaps are quite a bit shorter and intersection between vertical and foils looks to have a different shape The tip of the 'bulbous' bit seems to be reaching further out in front of the foil arm vertical stock Could be just the angle of this view though... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KingMonkey 115 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Yeah there has always been a small lump on the front but that looks more visible. Re the dihedral angle: the Mar e Vela Italians reckon that everyone who has an angle (all challengers) is using 15 deg and that’s the maximum you can get to fit it in the rule box, so if you are going for that approach you are going to hit 15 degrees. Maybe unlikely to change but guess we’ll get some close ups tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 7 hours ago, nroose said: I am amazed that Ben still trots out the trope that the rules violation they committed was not "performance enhancing". That is just BS. He needs to drop it. So the MC lied in the official document then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barnyb 630 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Ben Ainslie's Ineos Team UK are into the final of the Challenger Series - which will determine who faces Team New Zealand for the America's Cup in March. They face Italy's Luna Rossa in the Prada Cup final, a best-of-13 series starting on Saturday in Auckland - with the first four races live on the BBC. The winners will take on holders Team New Zealand for the 35th America's Cup from 6-21 March. Ineos Team UK is bidding to become the first British team to win the trophy. https://www.bbc.com/sport/sailing/55865520?fbclid=IwAR2Fdv2ffS-NjSsSMxueiF7C7ZBErOYlGR57rulHuIXeaSH4H83cW0WigUo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,080 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 19 minutes ago, Barnyb said: One thing I've noticed about Ineos lately - they don't look like they are sailing with as much bow down pitch as they used to. Maybe it's lower wind strengths, and they want to retain a bit of AoI effect on the foil, but I don't really know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,080 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, KingMonkey said: Yeah there has always been a small lump on the front but that looks more visible. Re the dihedral angle: the Mar e Vela Italians reckon that everyone who has an angle (all challengers) is using 15 deg and that’s the maximum you can get to fit it in the rule box, so if you are going for that approach you are going to hit 15 degrees. Maybe unlikely to change but guess we’ll get some close ups tomorrow. The anhedral angle does vary a bit, but certainly ~15° is the maximum. GB has about 24° with their W foil due it's shape, but I haven't had a suitable pic of their latest foil to gauge the Y foil angle, only the planform. LR is using ~13.4°. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,131 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 17 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: The anhedral angle does vary a bit, but certainly ~15° is the maximum. GB has about 24° with their W foil due it's shape, but I haven't had a suitable pic of their latest foil to gauge the Y foil angle, only the planform. LR is using ~13.4°. TU QUOQUE, @MaxHugen, FILI MI! Luna ROSSSSSSSSA. I don't understand if maybe you have to pay more for the double letter usage abroad. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 46 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: One thing I've noticed about Ineos lately - they don't look like they are sailing with as much bow down pitch as they used to. Maybe it's lower wind strengths, and they want to retain a bit of AoI effect on the foil, but I don't really know. What’s been consistent with them is not looking especially fast but then suddenly accelerate at specific points maintaining it then backing off. Ride height upwind too, when they hunker down and hold the boat low it’s in another gear, but then lift up slow down and wind it back I think they have very specific modes and are not charging around flat out the entire time 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,080 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, strider470 said: TU QUOQUE, @MaxHugen, FILI MI! Luna ROSSSSSSSSA. I don't understand if maybe you have to pay more for the double letter usage abroad. Ho la faccia rossa! Apologies, fixed it. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 454 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 10 hours ago, nroose said: I am amazed that Ben still trots out the trope that the rules violation they committed was not "performance enhancing". That is just BS. He needs to drop it. I bet you were looking for a reaction. Well you wont get one......blistering haddock i just reacted and fell for your cunning trick you rascally knave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,080 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 9 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: What’s been consistent with them is not looking especially fast but then suddenly accelerate at specific points maintaining it then backing off. Ride height upwind too, when they hunker down and hold the boat low it’s in another gear, but then lift up slow down and wind it back I think they have very specific modes and are not charging around flat out the entire time Good point. Perhaps BA is sharpening his pre-start tactics? The ability to slow down, then very quickly accelerate could be quite useful at that time... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,267 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Ben is smart. That matters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,131 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 16 minutes ago, NeedAClew said: Ben is smart. That matters. We are ready 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 454 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Take that. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,131 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 36 minutes ago, dullers said: Take that. I don't blame anyone for their music preferences 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 454 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, strider470 said: We are ready The foil is oddly located on the roof of the UK entry. Planning on being upsidedown for the race? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 454 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Nutta said: The foil us oddly located in the roof of the UK entry. Planning on being upsidedown for the race? I have been on parades with that Landover. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 454 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, strider470 said: I don't blame anyone for their music preferences You really should with that group. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
underperformer 39 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 23 hours ago, Stingray~ said: Pretty unique in sports, a star taking an interview with his wife. It works, somehow Happened before, Spanish goalie was interviewed by his soccer reporter wive when they became World Champion. Spanish.. so started crying offcourse (he) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuso007 658 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 49 minutes ago, underperformer said: Happened before, Spanish goalie was interviewed by his soccer reporter wive when they became World Champion. Spanish.. so started crying offcourse (he) She's his wife now... Nobody knew she was his girlfriend until that day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,131 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 To all my British friends: let’s enjoy the race. In bocca al lupo e che vinca il migliore. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 628 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, strider470 said: To all my British friends: let’s enjoy the race. In bocca al lupo e che vinca il migliore. Yes let’s have a good clean race that’s close and exciting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 213 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 18 hours ago, JALhazmat said: So the MC lied in the official document then? Seems like that is out of context. Every detail of these boats affects performance. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 213 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 15 hours ago, dullers said: I bet you were looking for a reaction. Well you wont get one......blistering haddock i just reacted and fell for your cunning trick you rascally knave. I was expressing an opinion. And you did react. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crashtack 225 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Have we seen any close-up shots of the top of the twin skins on rita 2? Because there was a good one in some twitter pub video AC put out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 454 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, nroose said: I was expressing an opinion. And you did react. Whoooosh....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 454 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Wrong sail in that race. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 454 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, dullers said: Wrong sail in that race. And wrong boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 454 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 9 minutes ago, Nutta said: And wrong boat. You might be right. Look forward to the Kiwis on our balls today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,905 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 41 minutes ago, dullers said: You might be right. Look forward to the Kiwis on our balls today. LRPP was always going to be quicker down the wind range, Dullers. The next two might go the same way, but even then, early days. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,357 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 What ever happened to Goobs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Forourselves said: What ever happened to Goobs? Coaching role Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 20 minutes ago, Sailbydate said: LRPP was always going to be quicker down the wind range, Dullers. The next two might go the same way, but even then, early days. Finally some sense! Prada were always supposed to be a light air weapon, finally they put it all together today 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,357 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just now, JALhazmat said: Coaching role FFS. 2 of the best foiling sailors in the world today, and ones coaching and the other is a commentator! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just now, Forourselves said: FFS. 2 of the best foiling sailors in the world today, and ones coaching and the other is a commentator! His choice to take the cash.. his choice to stay. was doing the same job when INEOS were 5-0 and didn’t hear any complaints he wasn’t sailing then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 628 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, dullers said: You might be right. Look forward to the Kiwis on our balls today. This is not the Christmas racing series. The second race was not a massive difference time wise. Maybe a tweak on the sails and sailing mode change and things can be better. Nothing has changed for RITA she still has to win 7 races. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 628 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Who Do You Think You Are Kidding Mr Prada If You Think We're On The Run? We Are The Boys Who Will Stop Your Little Game We Are The Boys Who Will Make You Think Again 'Cause Who Do You Think You Are Kidding Mr Prada If You Think Old England's Done? 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crashtack 225 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I've obtained some exclusive footage from the racing today featuring a brutal attack by Jimmy Spithill on Sir Ben 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,357 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 30 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: His choice to take the cash.. his choice to stay. was doing the same job when INEOS were 5-0 and didn’t hear any complaints he wasn’t sailing then. because it didn't matter then, like it does now. Surely you'd want your best sailors on board when your backs are against the wall. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NZL3481 386 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Forourselves said: What ever happened to Goobs? Goobs is an 'advisor' to Ineos... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,503 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Nutta said: And wrong boat. Must be some Pommie historical maritime design culture thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 25 minutes ago, NZL3481 said: Goobs is an 'advisor' to Ineos... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,124 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Sailbydate said: LRPP was always going to be quicker down the wind range, Dullers. The next two might go the same way, but even then, early days. By this time tomorrow SBD it won't be early days.! By this time tomorrow it will be getting late now days for one team me thinks............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 628 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 The Nz metservice is predicting 13 knots at 4pm. Hopefully on the water they might be a knot or two more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Supervox 2 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, mako23 said: Nothing has changed for RITA she still has to win 7 races. Channeling and paraphrasing John Bertrand - Newport '83? You're not wrong though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 628 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 After sober reflection I do think that Ineos is faster than Rita. However the gap is less than Ineos versus AM. In the first race non of the other boats including ETNZ would of won. LR is clearly very good in the light. In the second race lost by 26 seconds, some of that time could be attributed to choice of head sail. The bigger headsails have a lot of drag at high speed. With better sail choices and higher winds Ineos will be competitive. However if it’s 4 zip at the end of tomorrow it’s going to be very hard for Ineos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Potter 683 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 7 minutes ago, mako23 said: After sober reflection I do think that Ineos is faster than Rita. However the gap is less than Ineos versus AM. Do you mean LR is faster that Rita? Gap less than LR versus AM? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LCS Carbon 173 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 hours ago, mako23 said: This is not the Christmas racing series. The second race was not a massive difference time wise. Maybe a tweak on the sails and sailing mode change and things can be better. Nothing has changed for RITA she still has to win 7 races. They were spooked by the first race, (light wind) and this affected their judgement re: jib choice for the second race. They are human after all.... As good as Ben is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KingMonkey 115 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Yeah second race not too bad. Jimmy was able to cover going up to the final top mark and Rita had to do one more tack then. 10 seconds. A few seconds for the right jib. It was close but ultimately Ben still lost. ... when one boat is foiling and one not it is just incredibly painful to watch. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dullers 454 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Balls lade out for stomping by Kiwis between 1800 hours local each day until 1615 each day. Balls maybe withdrawn dependant on race results. Well done Italy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marinatrix447 205 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Mornin’ Dullers… Prada Cup Final Day 1 Defo an eeek moment for the Brit AC fans, seeing Britannia and Ineos on the back-foot. Race 1: RITA glued to the sea atop the start line (ouch)… and then Race 2: the Italians just a hop-skip-n-a-jump ahead at all points of sail. Quote of the day Shirley “Luna Rossa… just a click of extra pace…” Indeed… tis not over till the meaty Italian lady opera singer belts it out. And when the going gets tough, Ben and co get going... let’s face it… would be boring if the fight was always one handed. Congrats to the Italians, they for sure socked it to the Poms today! I N I Z I O P A R T I T A Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 628 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Potter said: Do you mean LR is faster that Rita? Gap less than LR versus AM? It means I’ve had a brain fart LR is faster than Rita but the gap is less than LR vs AM 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KingMonkey 115 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I looked at the two stern cameras at the start of race 2, trying to work out how LR suddenly leapt ahead. Just after start, Bruni says they can’t live on Rita’s hip after the start and they are dropping back. They get ready for the tack and go for it although were living there just fine again by the time of the tack. Straight after the tack Bruni says “we’re in phase, 38 is hard left” and the numbers start to jump up. Meanwhile on Rita Giles makes the call to go for the boundary, out of phase as we realise from the LR cam. Their tack is OK but they are 2/3 of a length behind. Then Giles takes the wheel for the duck and gets it wrong, goes too low and gets a roasting from Ben. 2-3 lengths down now. Just after the cross Jimmy says “big righty” LR still in phase, Rita still out and by the time of the next cross LR in full control of the race course and at least 10-15 seconds up. Splits roughly even for next two laps then LR forces an extra tack on Rita on final beat (Giles had previously said “we’re two and into the left” but they had to do three and to the right). So another 10 seconds down after Rita had caught up a very small amount on that beat before that. So while it was not pretty viewing for the Brit fans, it was strongly down to that first tack onto port which LR felt forced to do. They didn’t do the tack to catch the shift, that was just luck. So I don’t think it’s the end of the world. However, clearly Rita is not faster but I don’t think any slower in 10 kts plus. 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mozzy Sails 822 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I think the jib was too large. And then it hadn't been tweeked (leech line) which made it a bit more painful. Also looked like INEOS had a larger main on, certainly in the head judging by the logo sizes. I think the first race was a given, possibly electing for the starboard entry in light breeze was a mistake, but LR was always heavily favoured. The second race will have hurt though. Probably would have a been tighter with lead changes if they had the correct sails on... but they didn't and that's racing. INEOS have had a pretty good run of luck on who they raced and when, and today that luck just ran out. Plus, LR sailed a pretty much faultless race. Big thing for me is they've just got better at realising when they have a advantage in speed they just need to race. No facing tacks, just let the boat rip. But... I still expect a close series. Throw in the right sails, plus a few shifts and gusts and we'll get more interesting races. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paddywackery 435 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Getting the sails wrong seems a pretty basic mistake from a top class outfit. And LR looked altogether smoother and fast. To me, INEOS looked rattled. Plenty of time but not the start many of us expected. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cornish Viper 11 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Prada seem to have an “extra deep” mode for their mainsail. If you look from 17 mins 45 seconds ,it changes dramatically 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 451 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Sorry Brits but Britannia's sail is 10% worse than LR's. Sir Ben's solid boom, and inability to shape the wing for down low power is a huge difference. Several things make up some for this but less than 10knots they are not competitive and above their ability to do crisp tacks/gybes comes down to lack of ability to control the twin skin. It is not too late for them to get this right it is maybe nearly impossible, that's all. IMHO. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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