167149 173 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 hours ago, strider470 said: I sometimes shout to the crew myself, and I am nobody to quote a friend...." my wifes husband does shit like that" 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 956 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 5 hours ago, Chris UK said: FYI, there's a pretty constant stream on these threads that Ben is arrogant, conceited, an asshole etc, but what I see is just cultural difference. I wouldn't worry about it. All top sports performers on the planet are highly motivated individuals infused with stratospheric self-confidence, mistakenly perceived as arrogance by competitors and armchair critics. But some sports codes do require a high degree of selfishness and some degree of arrogance to be good - golf being a prime example. Being accused of arrogance by one's opponent is as good an admission as any that the opponent is already on the way to accepting being beaten!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shebeen 65 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 so if there's a miraculous turnaround...we'll be looking in Dave Brailsford's direction. keywords: Marginal gains Jiffy Bag Froome aero tuck Blowing up the Giro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winchfodder 328 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, shebeen said: so if there's a miraculous turnaround...we'll be looking in Dave Brailsford's direction. keywords: Marginal gains Jiffy Bag Froome aero tuck Blowing up the Giro Not pass the Triamcinolone then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 more top footage from Justin the two tacks from 6,30 onwards look decent and smooth, better than the previous days footage to the naked eye. boom end looks different too #249 INEOS Team UK | Eve Of Continuation Of Prada Cup Finals | 19 Feb 2021 - YouTube Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,080 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: more top footage from Justin the two tacks from 6,30 onwards look decent and smooth, better than the previous days footage to the naked eye. boom end looks different too #249 INEOS Team UK | Eve Of Continuation Of Prada Cup Finals | 19 Feb 2021 - YouTube They seem to be flying higher and with a bit less bow down pitch, than they used to? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
accnick 571 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 5 hours ago, winchfodder said: Not pass the Triamcinolone then? And a topical steroid used to treat various skin conditions would make you faster by (fill in the blank). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DavidYacht 19 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I guess American Magic might have performed better with some support from US Postal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EYESAILOR 1,018 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 18 hours ago, Indio said: I wouldn't worry about it. All top sports performers on the planet are highly motivated individuals infused with stratospheric self-confidence, mistakenly perceived as arrogance by competitors and armchair critics. But some sports codes do require a high degree of selfishness and some degree of arrogance to be good - golf being a prime example. Being accused of arrogance by one's opponent is as good an admission as any that the opponent is already on the way to accepting being beaten!! Nice. I agree, Ben is highly motivated and very competitive. You dont get to be the most successful Olympian in sailing of all time (achieved in the competitive modern era) just through talent alone. Extraordinary talent accompanied by a work ethic and competitive drive that is 2nd to none. When not involved in the competition, he seems a reasonably agreeable person with decent values. What a shame that we dont get to see a show down between Ainslie and Burling in two reasonably evenly matched foiling 75s, now that would have been the race of the decade! Two talents of our lifetimes head to head would have been fun to watch. I dont think Rita is going to be competitive in time to reverse the Prada cup . Maybe next time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MastaVonBlasta 132 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 30 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: more top footage from Justin the two tacks from 6,30 onwards look decent and smooth, better than the previous days footage to the naked eye. boom end looks different too #249 INEOS Team UK | Eve Of Continuation Of Prada Cup Finals | 19 Feb 2021 - YouTube Yes, there's something new below the clew end 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,080 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 14 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said: Nice. I agree, Ben is highly motivated and very competitive. You dont get to be the most successful Olympian in sailing of all time (achieved in the competitive modern era) just through talent alone. Extraordinary talent accompanied by a work ethic and competitive drive that is 2nd to none. When not involved in the competition, he seems a reasonably agreeable person with decent values. What a shame that we dont get to see a show down between Ainslie and Burling in two reasonably evenly matched foiling 75s, now that would have been the race of the decade! Two talents of our lifetimes head to head would have been fun to watch. I dont think Rita is going to be competitive in time to reverse the Prada cup . Maybe next time. I'm not counting my beers just yet. If BA gets Rita over the start line ahead of LR and is ahead at the first tack.... they have a good chance of a win. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris UK 173 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 8 minutes ago, MastaVonBlasta said: Yes, there's something new below the clew end R2D2 back onboard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buckdouger 246 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, EYESAILOR said: Nice. I agree, Ben is highly motivated and very competitive. You dont get to be the most successful Olympian in sailing of all time (achieved in the competitive modern era) just through talent alone. Extraordinary talent accompanied by a work ethic and competitive drive that is 2nd to none. When not involved in the competition, he seems a reasonably agreeable person with decent values. What a shame that we dont get to see a show down between Ainslie and Burling in two reasonably evenly matched foiling 75s, now that would have been the race of the decade! Two talents of our lifetimes head to head would have been fun to watch. I dont think Rita is going to be competitive in time to reverse the Prada cup . Maybe next time. Is Burling really a 'talent of our lifetimes' yet? I see him as top tier of his generation, but not necessarily top of all time caliber yet. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Chris UK said: R2D2 back onboard. Herbie rides again will be the call should they start winning again ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barbican Sailor 15 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, EYESAILOR said: Nice. I agree, Ben is highly motivated and very competitive. You dont get to be the most successful Olympian in sailing of all time (achieved in the competitive modern era) just through talent alone. Extraordinary talent accompanied by a work ethic and competitive drive that is 2nd to none. When not involved in the competition, he seems a reasonably agreeable person with decent values. What a shame that we dont get to see a show down between Ainslie and Burling in two reasonably evenly matched foiling 75s, now that would have been the race of the decade! Two talents of our lifetimes head to head would have been fun to watch. I dont think Rita is going to be competitive in time to reverse the Prada cup . Maybe next time. Might get some of what you wish in a few months with SailGP, and throw in Nathan, Jimmy and Tom should be a good one. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ed__miller 48 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, MastaVonBlasta said: Yes, there's something new below the clew end Also no visible outhauls for each skin. And there is now a batten just above the boom that appears to have some ‘fitting’ just visible in the slot? (Screw drive battens like ETNZ maybe?) compared to this in their last race Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paddywackery 435 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 My lamps are not what they used to be but did anyone think that the foil lift was slower?And leeching on the headsail? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winchfodder 328 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, Paddywackery said: My lamps are not what they used to be but did anyone think that the foil lift was slower?And leeching on the headsail? Not apparently using the LR double lift a la Mozzy (yet!). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paddywackery 435 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Just now, winchfodder said: Not apparently using the LR double lift a la Mozzy (yet!). No, but they might be keeping that in reserve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolkenzug 30 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Are they allowed to use this setup tomorrow or are any changes prohibited due to the boat being measured before the Prada Cup Final? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NSP 204 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 The declared yacht configuration must include the identity and version of the: (a) hull; (b) foils, including foil arm stocks, foil arm fairings, foil wings, and foilflaps; (c) rudder, including the rudder upper and rudder lower; (d) mast tube. There is more detail in the class rule, but yes I believe they are allowed to use it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 43 minutes ago, winchfodder said: Not apparently using the LR double lift a la Mozzy (yet!). There has been some very different techniques being tried over the last few days, some very slow multi stage lifts and then the footage from yesterday from Justin that just looked coordinated smooth and no loss of speed. that footage was shot five mins before Prada sailed up the same piece of water so a decent comparison between the two in pretty light air Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,503 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Looks more outboard than outhaul to me.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paddywackery 435 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Priscilla said: Looks more outboard than outhaul to me.... That's exactly what it looks like and a fish finder at the rear or the petrol tank from an old seagull outboard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,503 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Paddywackery said: That's exactly what it looks like and a fish finder at the rear or the petrol tank from an old seagull outboard. There are seagulls and then there are seagulls.... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ed__miller 48 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Boom end looks completely new. Maybe the clews are directly attached to the boom rather than ‘traditional’ outhauls running via a sheeve on the end. also that skirt looks like its hiding something that used to be a main sheet. Is there a ram under there? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,503 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Could very well be a stretcher for Basher Ben after the Frackers are down 6 zip this afternoon... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
45Roller 365 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 hours ago, MaxHugen said: I'm not counting my beers just yet. If BA gets Rita over the start line ahead of LR and is ahead at the first tack.... they have a good chance of a win. Yeah true, hopefully he's watched Mozzys video on it a few times at this stage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zillafreak 128 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 hours ago, MastaVonBlasta said: Yes, there's something new below the clew end A new Weber grill for shrimp on the barbie. Down 0-4, why not make a nice day of it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gissie 1,128 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Paddywackery said: an old seagull outboard. No wonder they are having starting problems... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LCS Carbon 173 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, buckdouger said: Is Burling really a 'talent of our lifetimes' yet? I see him as top tier of his generation, but not necessarily top of all time caliber yet. If you say so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EYESAILOR 1,018 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, buckdouger said: Is Burling really a 'talent of our lifetimes' yet? I see him as top tier of his generation, but not necessarily top of all time caliber yet. Fair enough....top tier talent of his generation. But he has come closer to the triple crown than almost anyone else. Olympic Gold Americas Cup RTW race (formerly volvo, formerly Whitbread) But yes Nathan vs Ben vs Petey vs Sling vs Jimmy will be fun provided they can bring first class crew. The nationality thang is all very well but for just one event, let them bring the best crew they can put together and have at it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ClickClickBoom 2 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Isn't this the new spaghetti maker? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,267 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said: Fair enough....top tier talent of his generation. But he has come closer to the triple crown than almost anyone else. Olympic Gold Americas Cup RTW race (formerly volvo, formerly Whitbread) But yes Nathan vs Ben vs Petey vs Sling vs Jimmy will be fun provided they can bring first class crew. The nationality thang is all very well but for just one event, let them bring the best crew they can put together and have at it. Well it's really only US and Japan that may not be able to have all 6 nationals? The SeditionweaselGP blurbs about females said one would be chosen to rotate in an observational/operational role Season 2. https://sailgp.com/general/gender-equity/ So they added a body on the boat. Wonder what mods they made to compensate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winchfodder 328 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Looking a bit light. Bet Ben now wishes he had not supported ACE and gone for racing yesterday in good breeze. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,503 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 30 minutes ago, winchfodder said: Looking a bit light. Bet Ben now wishes he had not supported ACE and gone for racing yesterday in good breeze. Yup and the ACE option of the 26th would not have provided him with any respite wind wise. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
45Roller 365 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 50 minutes ago, ClickClickBoom said: Isn't this the new spaghetti maker? Username checks out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, winchfodder said: Looking a bit light. Bet Ben now wishes he had not supported ACE and gone for racing yesterday in good breeze. He didn't get a vote so his opinion didn't matter in wether they raced yesterday or not. the only ones who’s opinion mattered were the COR and ETNZ/ACE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mozzy Sails 822 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: He didn't get a vote so his opinion didn't matter in wether they raced yesterday or not. the only ones who’s opinion mattered were the COR and ETNZ/ACE What was interesting was that Simmer represented INEOS in that meeting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paddywackery 435 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Mozzy Sails said: What was interesting was that Simmer represented INEOS in that meeting. Who is Simmer, Mozzy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EYESAILOR 1,018 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 minutes ago, Mozzy Sails said: What was interesting was that Simmer represented INEOS in that meeting. Dalton represented ETNZ. Simmer represented Ineos. Coincidentally they are each CEO of their respective teams but the common factor is that they are both called "Grant" and this was designed to confuse the Italians. ACE "So Grant do you agree with Grant?" Italians " Que?" No obviously both teams were represented by their CEO rather than sailors. The job of the CEO is to run this kind of stuff. I dont think any sailors were present. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EYESAILOR 1,018 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, Paddywackery said: Who is Simmer, Mozzy? Grant Simmer, Chief Executive Officer of Team Ineos. Navigator on Australia 2 which lifted the cup for the first time from NYYC. Winner of 4 ACs and involved in almost every cup of the last gazillion years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NSP 204 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said: Grant Simmer, Chief Executive Officer of Team Ineos. Navigator on Australia 2 which lifted the cup for the first time from NYYC. Winner of 4 ACs and involved in almost every cup of the last gazillion years. In other words: a fucking AC legend 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paddywackery 435 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said: Grant Simmer, Chief Executive Officer of Team Ineos. Navigator on Australia 2 which lifted the cup for the first time from NYYC. Winner of 4 ACs and involved in almost every cup of the last gazillion years. Thanks Eyesailor, impressive CV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mozzy Sails 822 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said: No obviously both teams were represented by their CEO rather than sailors. The job of the CEO is to run this kind of stuff. I dont think any sailors were present. Exactly, just flagging it for balance to the 'Ben does everything' narrative. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winchfodder 328 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 38 minutes ago, NSP said: In other words: a fucking AC legend Not so looking hot at the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EYESAILOR 1,018 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 17 minutes ago, NSP said: In other words: a fucking AC legend Yup. Really admirable guy 1983, Navigator on board Australia 2 which really started a new era in AC history by taking the cup from the NYYC for the first time after 113 years of unsuccessful challenges. First challenger to win the AC ever. 1987 Navigator on Australia 4 which did not win the defender selection trials (Those were the days when the team winning the cup didnt mean you defended it . The defending club held defender selection trials much like the challenger series today) 2000 Head of Design for Alinghi which won the cup in 2003 and successfully defended in 2007. Two more Victories. Part of the ill fated 2010 DoG defense. 2013 and 2017 ACs he was general Manager at Oracle. One victory One defeat. I understand Ben got to appreciate his management skills in the 2013 series when Ben was sailing for Oracle. He is the guy you want in the room, advocating your position. I think it was probably fairly clear that the rules set out the racing schedule and not much Grant could do other than support ACE request but probably knew it would not fly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,503 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, EYESAILOR said: Fair enough....top tier talent of his generation. But he has come closer to the triple crown than almost anyone else. Olympic Gold Americas Cup RTW race (formerly volvo, formerly Whitbread) But yes Nathan vs Ben vs Petey vs Sling vs Jimmy will be fun provided they can bring first class crew. The nationality thang is all very well but for just one event, let them bring the best crew they can put together and have at it. Basher Ben Nathan and Slingsby don't do offshore from memory leaving Pistol Pete as leader of the pack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 454 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 hours ago, DavidYacht said: I guess American Magic might have performed better with some support from US Postal How would shooting people in the street help? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 454 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 hours ago, MastaVonBlasta said: Yes, there's something new below the clew end Outboard + fuel tank? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EYESAILOR 1,018 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 38 minutes ago, Mozzy Sails said: Exactly, just flagging it for balance to the 'Ben does everything' narrative. Yeah Ive pushed back on that a couple of times. Ben has delegated a lot to Grant. Ben does have more of a role beyond driver than Burling or Jimmy/Bruno but did not spread him self as thin as Terry Hutch who was grinder/tactician and very hands on manager of AM. Ben's title is Team Principal as well as Skipper and it is clear he has a major role working with their backer and is involved in various leadership decisions but he wisely and quickly reached out to Grant to hire him as CEO to run everything. But I believe Grant reports to Ben, not Radcliffe (Im not sure of that). Anyway, its pretty clear that Ben leaves a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of coordinating deigns teams, shore teams logistics etc etc to Grant and his team so that Ben can focus on the sailing. But I think Ben gets a thorough debrief on the decisions and consulted on anything that affects performance, Burling is helm, not skipper and that leaves Peter free to just focus on sailing , Much more akin to a Formula One driving role. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 454 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 56 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said: Grant Simmer, Chief Executive Officer of Team Ineos. Navigator on Australia 2 which lifted the cup for the first time from NYYC. Winner of 4 ACs and involved in almost every cup of the last gazillion years. And the technology from their revolutionary keel trickled down to women's sanitary products a decade or so later... Or maybe my cat made that up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EYESAILOR 1,018 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, Nutta said: Outboard + fuel tank? Boom end + handle to adjust clew. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 454 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said: Boom end + handle to adjust clew. You're no fun... 8) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 628 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Let’s team GB have found some extra speed and put the Italian those Italians in their place it will be the 2nd Italian job 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,080 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 5 hours ago, 45Roller said: Yeah true, hopefully he's watched Mozzys video on it a few times at this stage Oh yeah, that was for Giles, who has to learn "apparent wind sailing 101" so he doesn't "make a rookie mistake"! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,267 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 They say wind is up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 628 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I wonder what the reply should be if LR got damaged and wanted extra time to get fixed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wajamamaj 14 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 5 hours ago, EYESAILOR said: Boom end + handle to adjust clew. Pillow in case the skipper is to leeward during a big ease? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,131 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Very good race from Ineos. Deserved victory. Congrats 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Seacock 464 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 To all Ineos fans, congratulations. A convincing win through good tactics and slick moves. We need more of this from the lads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 1,260 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 28 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said: To all Ineos fans, congratulations. A convincing win through good tactics and slick moves. We need more of this from the lads. Yup. They will need to sail all their races like that if they want to win this thing. They can't afford to trade victories like they did today. The boats are pretty even with a possible overall edge to LR but certainly INEOS could win it if they up their tactics game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Seacock 464 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I think so too. I do think Ben is a better sailor than Jimmy. That is, today's sailor, as yesterday is history. Let's see if he can build on this and give Jimbo a taste of his own medicine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bortolo 69 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 56 minutes ago, jaysper said: Yup. They will need to sail all their races like that if they want to win this thing. They can't afford to trade victories like they did today. The boats are pretty even with a possible overall edge to LR but certainly INEOS could win it if they up their tactics game. Yes. Congratulations to team INEOS. They proved they can win when they sa il at their level. I wonder if their boat may even have the edge with more breeze. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snaerk 88 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Onner hware onner iz dew: Prada mayd orlmost no mistayks in a breez hwitch sooted them: and yet Ineos wun. Well dun, and abowt tym. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boink 676 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 9 hours ago, NSP said: In other words: a fucking AC legend 8 hours ago, winchfodder said: Not so looking hot at the moment. Get off your crack pipe you moron..... You clearly don't know anything about anyone, and cannot even construct a put down with the words in the correct order. You are a credit to your "Mom", just not as much a credit as Grant Simmer is to his........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marinatrix447 205 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Prada Cup Final Day 3 Well, well, well… we hang onto our Brit cup dreams by our foil tips. BIG congrats to Ben, Gilo and the lads, as we finally chalk-up one point…yeah! Quote of the day Nathan: “Luna Rossa suckered Ben in at the start line…” And the first race Jimmy did indeed, going full on Spitbull. However as Ben has oft quipped if INEOS does get ahead on start plays - they have a real chance of winning, ergo race two. IMO if it’s another light air day tomorrow atop the Hauraki, the overall boat platform advantage still lies with the handbags. Game on for Domenchie to hold another weekend at it 5-3 though will punt it at a more likely 6-2 to the Italians, as the wind gods forecast isn't in our favour. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,187 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Having jimmy front the loser stand post race has given me skin in this one..go Ben sir you good thing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lukepiewalker 11 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 From an INEOS point of view they really really needed that one. I think they probably need both races tomorrow. LR looked to be more likely to regain the lead in the last race than INEOS have in any of the other races. I don't think LR will be feeling any discomfort yet... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KingMonkey 115 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, lukepiewalker said: I think they probably need both races tomorrow. Yeah, by the looks of things Tues and Weds are borderline too windy so they really need all four now to make it 5-5. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,304 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 9 minutes ago, KingMonkey said: Yeah, by the looks of things Tues and Weds are borderline too windy so they really need all four now to make it 5-5. So it gets to 5-5 , wind is then too high to get a race off as the wind limits were dropped, INEOS goes through.. all’s fair in love n war. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marlowe 217 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 58 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: So it gets to 5-5 , wind is then too high to get a race off as the wind limits were dropped, INEOS goes through.. all’s fair in love n war. I know for the RRs if it was equal points the winner of the most recent race would advance but is it a similar rule for the Prada final? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IPLore 904 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Ineos have an almost insurmountable task. In a boat that is slower in lighter conditions and just about equal in other conditions , they have to win every race. Im not a betting man but.......... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Randorm 937 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, IPLore said: Ineos have an almost insurmountable task. In a boat that is slower in lighter conditions and just about equal in other conditions , they have to win every race. Im not a betting man but.......... Time to get Herbie. Worked in San Fran. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KingMonkey 115 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 5 minutes ago, marlowe said: RRs It’s the RRS Ie racing rules of sailin that give the tie to the last winner. Anyway, hope would be a fine thing but yeah there would be a fuck load of karma in the unlikely event of that happening. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crashtack 225 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 So any verdict on the use of the new boom extension? Have LR protested it yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.......................... 198 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I tried to skim the thread for the answer so sorry if this has been asked 50,000 times before ..... Watching Ben’s interview last night after the race the vents under Ineos were really apparent. Have we found out what these are for ? I watched the footage of tacks and roundings and it does not appear that they are discharging water, what are they for? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cristoforo 438 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 hours ago, IPLore said: Ineos have an almost insurmountable task. In a boat that is slower in lighter conditions and just about equal in other conditions , they have to win every race. Im not a betting man but.......... Winning a start more than once every 6 races might be a place to begin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.......................... 198 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Thanks - So the water ballasted maxi I sailed on we discharged above the waterline why have them there ? Gravity vs. having a pump? Is the water discharged coming through the arms ? You certainly would not be pumping in... Just saw the other new thread - gravity fed cockpit drain apparently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ed__miller 48 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 There is a rule whereby each cockpit has to be capable of discharge a specific volume of water in a set time. As a safety measure should a boat dive and get swamped. There was some speculation they could also be adding some aero benefit but it has never been proven/agreed on here There is no water ballast. There is no pumping of water anywhere. Only pumping is hydraulic fluid by the grinders or foil cant system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.......................... 198 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 5 minutes ago, ed__miller said: There is a rule whereby each cockpit has to be capable of discharge a specific volume of water in a set time. That would explain the 4 big exits both sides - thanks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,080 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 11 minutes ago, ed__miller said: There is a rule whereby each cockpit has to be capable of discharge a specific volume of water in a set time. As a safety measure should a boat dive and get swamped. There was some speculation they could also be adding some aero benefit but it has never been proven/agreed on here There is no water ballast. There is no pumping of water anywhere. Only pumping is hydraulic fluid by the grinders or foil cant system. Kind of interesting though. Since this is obviously post race, and I don't suppose they got swamped seconds before.... ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
45Roller 365 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Deleted paywalled link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.......................... 198 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 10 hours ago, ed__miller said: There is a rule whereby each cockpit has to be capable of discharge a specific volume of water in a set time. As a safety measure should a boat dive and get swamped. There was some speculation they could also be adding some aero benefit but it has never been proven/agreed on here Interesting that Reed said that air is channeled through the hull in the broadcast today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 1,260 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 https://youtu.be/b9434BoGkNQ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 454 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just scuttle Rita out past Rangitoto somewhere... Save shipping her back to the UK... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 628 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 A message to the Brits in the Channel, all is not lost Ineos seems keen to back another challenge. You had some bad luck with a period of very light winds. You were also beaten by an outfit who’s been playing this game since 1997. LR was a better boat sailed by a better crew. However the difference isn’t night and day. There were some problems in Team GB but that can be analysed and discussed another day. All in all a worthwhile effort by Ineos. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uflux 662 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 So will they be out tuning up ETNZ for the match
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