terrafirma 1,124 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 TR testing a Code Zero but from the footage which is from a distance I didn't see them get up on the foils. Not sure this is a good thing or a bad thing for them given they are using smaller foils. Do they think they may need something extra to help them up? 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,336 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Looks like going through the motions of getting the thing up, furling and manoeuvring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 1,256 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 26 minutes ago, terrafirma said: TR testing a Code Zero but from the footage which is from a distance I didn't see them get up on the foils. Not sure this is a good thing or a bad thing for them given they are using smaller foils. Do they think they may need something extra to help them up? Having two sails up like that just seems bizarre. We are told that having a code zero up is too draggy, but they've got a zero plus another? Huh????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 21 minutes ago, terrafirma said: TR testing a Code Zero but from the footage which is from a distance I didn't see them get up on the foils. Not sure this is a good thing or a bad thing for them given they are using smaller foils. Do they think they may need something extra to help them up? They are "leaving no sail unfurled". 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Apterix 100 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: They are "leaving no sail unfurled". Haha, I wonder whether the intent would be to use in really light airs for downwind sections only in displacement mode. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 27 minutes ago, jaysper said: Having two sails up like that just seems bizarre. We are told that having a code zero up is too draggy, but they've got a zero plus another? Huh????? Very odd indeed. They are also not using a J1 ! Are they trying to put the wind up the Italians? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zillafreak 128 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, terrafirma said: TR testing a Code Zero but from the footage which is from a distance I didn't see them get up on the foils. Not sure this is a good thing or a bad thing for them given they are using smaller foils. Do they think they may need something extra to help them up? Yeah well that worked well. Or not... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 955 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 10 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Very odd indeed. They are also not using a J1 ! Are they trying to put the wind up the Italians? Very likely . Probably trying to trigger the Italians to file yet another complaint to the MC... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amc 93 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 30 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Very odd indeed. They are also not using a J1 ! Are they trying to put the wind up the Italians? Can we guess how many hours lrpp would have had to waste analysing this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uflux 662 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Looks pretty slick 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 1,256 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 55 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Very odd indeed. They are also not using a J1 ! Are they trying to put the wind up the Italians? Given that they have a furler installed, they are making the tradeoff between the extra drag of the zero vs the ability to get foil borne AT ALL in super light winds. I would have thought any winds low enough to warrant this would be below the race limits. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 446 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Can they pull the furled CZ into a hollow bowsprit into a tube on deck? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,599 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 hours ago, WakaNZ said: Did anyone capture or see this? "Team New Zealand had one alarming moment during training on Tuesday, with Te Rehutai leaping skyward at one stage before Burling calmly brought it under control" NZ Herald? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,599 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, Indio said: Probably referring to this: which is not what it looks like. It's TR's graceful shuttle-like landing at 9:50 in the video below I’m pretty sure this was a defensive manoeuvre they’d been working on in the event they raced Sir Ben. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 21 minutes ago, jaysper said: Given that they have a furler installed, they are making the tradeoff between the extra drag of the zero vs the ability to get foil borne AT ALL in super light winds. I would have thought any winds low enough to warrant this would be below the race limits. Ditto. And if they use the C0 to get on the foils, they then have the substantial drag of the furled sail. Plus, they did not even have the J1 hoisted, looked like maybe the J2, so I really don't know what they were trying to test! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 1,256 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Ditto. And if they use the C0 to get on the foils, they then have the substantial drag of the furled sail. Plus, they did not even have the J1 hoisted, looked like maybe the J2, so I really don't know what they were trying to test! Our patience? Honestly it just has to be a hail mary pass if "all else fails", but if they CAN'T foil without that can LR CAN then its game-o. I can only see this being of use in a drift fest like they had vs INEOS where they started in marginal winds which then dropped to fuck all. BUT, if the winds don't drop like that then they are left dragging that big arse sail through the air, which even when furled has GOT to be a bitch. They obviously know a TRUCK LOAD more about this than I could ever dream of knowing, so I can only assume there is some special sauce in there that makes this all make sense. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Indio said: Very likely . Probably trying to trigger the Italians to file yet another complaint to the MC... If you do things properly and follow the rules (rules mostly written by you) there will be no complaints 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 10 minutes ago, jaysper said: They obviously know a TRUCK LOAD more about this than I could ever dream of knowing, so I can only assume there is some special sauce in there that makes this all make sense. Let me know if you figure out the recipe! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 26 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said: NZ Herald? Click... ... bait. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
45Roller 362 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Anything in the rules about cutting away a furled CZ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
36thLatitude 88 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Wasn't it a type of downwind spinnaker?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, jaysper said: Given that they have a furler installed, they are making the tradeoff between the extra drag of the zero vs the ability to get foil borne AT ALL in super light winds. I would have thought any winds low enough to warrant this would be below the race limits. At LR they tried CZ and then abandoned it for good. I wonder who made the right call. ETNZ probably have spare time and maybe prefer to give it an extra try. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Phill 77 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Etnz against Ineos, etnz were 3 or 5mins from winning a race which was abandoned. Had they raised a cz...they may have made it in displacement mode. No stone unturned. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
45Roller 362 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Latest from Justin 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 37 minutes ago, 45Roller said: Anything in the rules about cutting away a furled CZ? I'm not sure that would be permitted, unless due to force majeure. That would be direct trash disposal and even a possible danger to navigation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
45Roller 362 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, strider470 said: I'm not sure that would be permitted, unless due to force majeure. That would be direct trash disposal and even a possible danger to navigation. Yeah true mate, obviously a chase boat would pick it up, but as you say it doesn't exactly send the right message, I'm sure you have to keep any Sails you think you might fly on board, as you say, no harm in testing in case a super and stable race day arrives, however unlikely that may be Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 22 minutes ago, strider470 said: At LR they tried CZ and then abandoned it for good. I wonder who made the right call. ETNZ probably have spare time and maybe prefer to give it an extra try. mind games. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, The Advocate said: mind games. Now it's time for sailing games, I think. I fear the only sensible usage of a CZ could be to finish a race in displacement in time before it is abandoned. But then again carrying all that drag... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, strider470 said: Now it's time for sailing games, I think. I fear the only sensible usage of a CZ could be to finish a race in displacement in time before it is abandoned. But then again carrying all that drag... Mind games never stop, it is part of the sailing game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, The Advocate said: Mind games never stop, it is part of the sailing game. If the CZ thing was a mind game it didn't work at all. LR stuck with their decision not to use those sails. Whatever will be, will be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,492 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 19 minutes ago, strider470 said: Now it's time for sailing games, I think. I fear the only sensible usage of a CZ could be to finish a race in displacement in time before it is abandoned. But then again carrying all that drag... Having a race abandoned due to time issues haunts Lord Dalton on a nightly basis and will so for all eternity... 6-6 sudden death winner takes all light very light conditions RM states all good to go both teams in displacement mode TNZ bring out the whomper = happy days seen it in the movies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 184 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, strider470 said: If the CZ thing was a mind game it didn't work at all. LR stuck with their decision not to use those sails. Whatever will be, will be. There’s plenty going on. At this stage it’s all mind games .Both teams are set with what they have but if you put enough doubt into the opposition minds your winning. The fact we are all talking about it is proof alone 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, Priscilla said: Having a race abandoned due to time issues haunts Lord Dalton on a nightly basis and will so for all eternity... 6-6 sudden death winner takes all light very light conditions RM states all good to go both teams in displacement mode bring out the whomper = happy days seen it in the movies. That's true, I wonder if the drag to carry the CZ is worth the risk. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, Zeusproject said: There’s plenty going on. At this stage it’s all mind games .Both teams are set with what they have but if you put enough doubt into the opposition minds your winning. The fact we are all talking about it is proof alone I think we are more affected than the teams Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 184 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, strider470 said: I think we are more affected than the teams Most likely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, strider470 said: I think we are more affected than the teams It's all good, just chill your tits. (That's an Aussie being supportive mate) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,492 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, strider470 said: That's true, I wonder if the drag to carry the CZ is worth the risk. That high cut life saver could lay on deck ready to deploy in the trough between the two crew pods until required the sheeting angles on the jib are tight leaving plenty of available realestate to deploy the CZ remotely. This AC defence is do or die for TNZ no win = no future the bank is empty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJD 203 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 13 minutes ago, Priscilla said: Having a race abandoned due to time issues haunts Lord Dalton on a nightly basis and will so for all eternity... 6-6 sudden death winner takes all light very light conditions RM states all good to go both teams in displacement mode bring out the whomper = happy days seen it in the movies. Fuck aye. All the experts on here and you’re the first one to get it. races can start over the wind limit and die off. Rules state the only reason crew can go forward of the line (a couple meters isn front of the mast) is to change sails. Rules also state they must carry a Code Z (or the equivalent weight). So ETNZ have been working on a drifter sail for non foiling conditions ever since Ineos caught up to them down wind in that infamous race. That scenario is very real and put the shits up them. Now they have a solution. Might never need it, butcha never bloody know. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 184 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, JJD said: Fuck aye. All the experts on here and you’re the first one to get it. races can start ove the wind limit and die off. rules state the only reason crew can go forward off the line (a couple meters isn front of the mast) is to change sails. rules also state they must carry a Code Z (or the equivalent weight). so ETNZ have been working on a drifter sail for non foiling conditions ever since Ineos caught up to them down wind in that infamous race. That scenario is very real and out the shits up them. now they have a solution. Might never need it, butcha never bloody know. They were a lap down mind you 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,171 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, JJD said: rules also state they must carry a Code Z (or the equivalent weight). Carry on deck...there was some discussion about a cover for it tho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJD 203 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Zeusproject said: They were a lap down mind you It wasn’t the fact they could lose that particular race. it was the fact that very scenario could very well play out where they weren’t a lap down and were slower in displacement mode. or they were behind and the park and me died, this gives them a shot to over take and win, even in a drift comp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boybland 553 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 29 minutes ago, strider470 said: Now it's time for sailing games, I think. I fear the only sensible usage of a CZ could be to finish a race in displacement in time before it is abandoned. But then again carrying all that drag... I can see a race in 6 to 8 knots being completely dominated by a boat with a CZ on a roller if it's possible for it to lift them onto the foils. If thats the case, it wouldn't even be close. The first lull that dropped both boats in the ocean would be game over for the other guy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,492 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, barfy said: Carry on deck...there was some discussion about a cover for it tho. Barfy it could be flown and retrieved loose like an 18 footer no stay nor furler required. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 184 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Priscilla said: Barfy it could be flown and retrieved loose like an 18 footer no stay nor furler required. Only on the last leg maybe. But easier hoisted and retrieved furled Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 minutes ago, Boybland said: I can see a race in 6 to 8 knots being completely dominated by a boat with a CZ on a roller if it's possible for it to lift them onto the foils. If thats the case, it wouldn't even be close. The first lull that dropped both boats in the ocean would be game over for the other guy. But given LR has massive foils compared to ETNZ, or so is said in SAAC, I wonder how a boat able to foil in low windspeeds would go against one in displacement mode with a CZ. Could be interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 55 minutes ago, strider470 said: I'm not sure that would be permitted, unless due to force majeure. "Got more pressure, quick, get the CZ down onto the deck." "Ready boys? OK, 1, 2, 3..." [splash] "OOPS" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,492 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, The Advocate said: But given LR has massive foils compared to ETNZ, or so is said in SAAC, I wonder how a boat able to foil in low windspeeds would go against one in displacement mode with a CZ. Could be interesting. Lord Dalton is on the record stating that wind supply is not going to be an issue for the match however having a plan B can be a game saver... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 19 minutes ago, Priscilla said: This AC defence is do or die for TNZ no win = no future the bank is empty. Why do you say that? Don't you think there will be a future even should they lose the Cup? I bet it would be reasonably easy to find sponsorship for TNZ, being the most strong team in the last decades. They guarantee better visibility for any sponsor than any other team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: "Got more pressure, quick, get the CZ down onto the deck." "Ready boys? OK, 1, 2, 3..." [splash] "OOPS" NZ this is the Umpires, penalty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 minutes ago, The Advocate said: But given LR has massive foils compared to ETNZ, or so is said in SAAC, I wonder how a boat able to foil in low windspeeds would go against one in displacement mode with a CZ. Could be interesting. Game over! As the foiler flies off into the far distance.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, MaxHugen said: Game over! As the foiler flies off into the far distance.... My thoughts as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJD 203 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Priscilla said: Lord Dalton is on the record stating that wind supply is not going to be an issue for the match however having a plan B can be a game saver... The other use for this sail is to get across to breeze faster than your opponent if wallowing in displacement mode. Raise and unfurl, sail to the windy patch, furl up and drop, take off foiling and win race. either way it is a solution for a particular scenario. Genius. Do you think Prada are now working on one of their own? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, The Advocate said: NZ this is the Umpires, penalty. " Guys, the Umpire wants us to drop 50m off our 800m lead." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,492 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: "Got more pressure, quick, get the CZ down onto the deck." "Ready boys? OK, 1, 2, 3..." [splash] "OOPS" Ever seen an 18 footer trawl a spinnaker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, Priscilla said: Ever seen an 18 footer trawl a spinnaker. Sure, but the generally don't finish in trawler mode. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, JJD said: Do you think Prada are now working on one of their own? No Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJD 203 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, The Advocate said: No I agree. Only because its too late. but TNZ will carry their drifter sail every race. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,492 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 8 minutes ago, strider470 said: Why do you say that? Don't you think there will be a future even should they lose the Cup? I bet it would be reasonably easy to find sponsorship for TNZ, being the most strong team in the last decades. They guarantee better visibility for any sponsor than any other team. Those are Lord Daltons words the future for ETNZ does not necessarily lay on the sparkling Waitemata but in an auction for the event sold to the highest bidder. No win no bidders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Anyone have an idea how long it actually takes for ETNZ to hoist the CZ, and to take if down and secure it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ĺudicrous 3 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 12 minutes ago, JJD said: Do you think Prada are now working on one of their own? They would have had to measure it already Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LCS Carbon 172 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Anyone have an idea how long it actually takes for ETNZ to hoist the CZ, and to take if down and secure it? Retrieval line and snuffer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Anyone have an idea how long it actually takes for ETNZ to hoist the CZ, and to take if down and secure it? Probably not that long to set it, but is the breeze came in and they start foiling with it I can see a cluster fuck length of time getting it down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 13 minutes ago, Priscilla said: Those are Lord Daltons words the future for ETNZ does not necessarily lay on the sparkling Waitemata but in an auction for the event sold to the highest bidder. No win no bidders. I think GD is wrong on this. Win or lose, TNZ IS New Zealand, fight for New Zealand, and should stay in New Zealand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,492 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 20 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Anyone have an idea how long it actually takes for ETNZ to hoist the CZ, and to take if down and secure it? 15 minutes ago, The Advocate said: Probably not that long to set it, but is the breeze came in and they start foiling with it I can see a cluster fuck length of time getting it down. You have obviously never sailed a Flying 15. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LCS Carbon 172 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 15 minutes ago, The Advocate said: Probably not that long to set it, but is the breeze came in and they start foiling with it I can see a cluster fuck length of time getting it down. They are on a roller aren't they? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eurochild 53 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 6 hours ago, Salty Seacock said: Twitter isn't bad if you filter it well. Thoughts in good AC Twitter accounts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dorox 216 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 6 hours ago, Indio said: Probably referring to this: which is not what it looks like. It's TR's graceful shuttle-like landing at 9:50 in the video below 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Il CZ mi sembra un po' l'ultima spiaggia. (CZ seems to me the very last possible resource before last rites) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 184 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 14 minutes ago, Priscilla said: You have obviously never sailed a Flying 15. Not at 50 knots Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 18 minutes ago, Priscilla said: You have obviously never sailed a Flying 15. Several times, only one race though. Won that, ticked that box, moved on. Quite like the class theoretically, did nothing for me though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 6 minutes ago, Zeusproject said: Not at 50 knots Absolutely correct, have never towed one to a regatta lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 20 minutes ago, Flags said: They are on a roller aren't they? Ever tried rolling something when it is trying to flog the shit out of itself? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 16 minutes ago, eurochild said: Thoughts in good AC Twitter accounts? There are no good Twatter accounts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,124 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 The first time that I can remember the Kiwis copying an Italian idea in the AC? So no crossing side during starting practice against the chase boat and Ray Davies. Could this be a sign? LOL.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
45Roller 362 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 47 minutes ago, eurochild said: Thoughts in good AC Twitter accounts? there are a couple, but not much more information outside of what you will see posted in the various threads here: https://twitter.com/CupInfo https://twitter.com/SailWorldNews https://twitter.com/americascup then of course the various hashtags etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 11 minutes ago, terrafirma said: The first time that I can remember the Kiwis copying an Italian idea in the AC? So no crossing side during starting practice against the chase boat and Ray Davies. Could this be a sign? LOL.... Back in Bermuda, I'm told that they found some Italian ideas quite useful as well. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 754 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Question for the rules bods amongst us, sails have to be stored on deck right? But. Team NZ have those pods for their cockpit, is the floor inside those pods deck? Could a furled code zero be snaked up and down one of the pod, sure it'd be in the way of the grinders, but it wouldn't have any extra drag over the pod already... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,171 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, Zeusproject said: Only on the last leg maybe. But easier hoisted and retrieved furled Certainly will be interesting to see the tricky plan that's been hatched...how about a recess down one side of the crew pod that the furled sail slips into. And if we the punters are interested imagine LR scratching their heads!! Good fun with lots of surprises hopefully. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,171 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 10 minutes ago, JonRowe said: Question for the rules bods amongst us, sails have to be stored on deck right? But. Team NZ have those pods for their cockpit, is the floor inside those pods deck? Could a furled code zero be snaked up and down one of the pod, sure it'd be in the way of the grinders, but it wouldn't have any extra drag over the pod already... Crossed posts with you...exactly what I was pondering...should see some requests for interpretation? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Flags said: They are on a roller aren't they? Yes, they furl. However, once foiling and using the J1, you wouldn't want the furled sail adding drag, so ideally you would lower it. I was curious how much time it would take to furl the CZ, plus lower and stow it, or vice versa. If it takes 5 mins to unstow the furled sail, clip it to the bowsprit, hoist it and deploy it, there could be a problem if a gust hits 2 mins in and lets your opponent get foiling using his J1. Maybe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fish7yu 557 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 America's Cup: Kiwis pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat ahead of the Match by Richard Gladwell/Sail-World.com/nz 3 Mar 16:27 HKT3 March 2021 America's Cup: Kiwis pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat ahead of the Match 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 58 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Yes, they furl. However, once foiling and using the J1, you wouldn't want the furled sail adding drag, so ideally you would lower it. I was curious how much time it would take to furl the CZ, plus lower and stow it, or vice versa. If it takes 5 mins to unstow the furled sail, clip it to the bowsprit, hoist it and deploy it, there could be a problem if a gust hits 2 mins in and lets your opponent get foiling using his J1. Maybe? yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 minutes ago, fish7yu said: America's Cup: Kiwis pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat ahead of the Match by Richard Gladwell/Sail-World.com/nz 3 Mar 16:27 HKT3 March 2021 America's Cup: Kiwis pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat ahead of the Match waste of bandwidth. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Advocate 278 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, terrafirma said: The first time that I can remember the Kiwis copying an Italian idea in the AC? So no crossing side during starting practice against the chase boat and Ray Davies. Could this be a sign? LOL.... A bit late I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 20 minutes ago, fish7yu said: America's Cup: Kiwis pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat ahead of the Match by Richard Gladwell/Sail-World.com/nz 3 Mar 16:27 HKT3 March 2021 America's Cup: Kiwis pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat ahead of the Match "The lightweight Code Zero appears to be deployed more to get the AC75 moving and increase the apparent windflow, to get the boat up to the 12kts of boat speed which seems to be the minimum for take-off on the foils. " Then the boat promptly accelerates to 60+ knots... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winchfodder 328 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 46 minutes ago, fish7yu said: America's Cup: Kiwis pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat ahead of the Match by Richard Gladwell/Sail-World.com/nz 3 Mar 16:27 HKT3 March 2021 America's Cup: Kiwis pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat ahead of the Match 40 minutes ago, The Advocate said: waste of bandwidth. Not sure what has happened to RG. He used to offer a reasonable amount of thought and information on all things AC. Since the 36th round started in AKL he seems to have become more and more hopeless in getting to grips with what's happening on and off the water. The poor old SailWorld audience are getting short changed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 2,598 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 7 hours ago, amc said: Can we guess how many hours lrpp would have had to waste analysing this? Or we? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,324 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 6 hours ago, 45Roller said: Anything in the rules about cutting away a furled CZ? Don’t they have to carry the equivalent weight of the sails on board according to the rules? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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