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2 hours ago, shebeen said:

to see the europe viewership stats

Youtube stats showed around 30k watching in Auckland. SailGP in Taranto had around 2k.....but the App...!!!!!

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4 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

And yet they do. Again and again. 

But a decreasing number.

There's a downward trend in interest in the AC since the high water mark of AC32. Interest by $Bs, by commercial sponsors, interest by the public. AC37 may be the time those chickens come home to roost.

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51 minutes ago, dogwatch said:

But a decreasing number.

There's a downward trend in interest in the AC since the high water mark of AC32. Interest by $Bs, by commercial sponsors, interest by the public. AC37 may be the time those chickens come home to roost.

Sad to say, for interest to be rekindled, I think the cup needs to be won by someone other than NZ 

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56 minutes ago, dogwatch said:

But a decreasing number.

There's a downward trend in interest in the AC since the high water mark of AC32. Interest by $Bs, by commercial sponsors, interest by the public. AC37 may be the time those chickens come home to roost.

Do viewership numbers really matter in the AC? Isn't that all just periphery to the drive to Challenge/Defend a yacht design race? 

To commercial sponsors? Yes of course - viewership engages audiences to satisfy ROI.

And to $quillionaire principals? Who the hell knows? But something has kept them interested for 170 years or so.

 

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25 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

Sad to say, for interest to be rekindled, I think the cup needs to be won by someone other than NZ 

Yeah. Must be Australia's turn again.

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9 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Yeah. Must be Australia's turn again.

Maybe if Italy or UK won it, it might rekindle interest.  I have no idea why, just a gut feeling that something has to happen.  The AC 72s are spectacular but they have to get less expensive and closer in performance.

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30 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Do viewership numbers really matter in the AC? Isn't that all just periphery to the drive to Challenge/Defend a yacht design race? 

To commercial sponsors? Yes of course - viewership engages audiences to satisfy ROI.

And to $quillionaire principals? Who the hell knows? But something has kept them interested for 170 years or so.

 

Fewer and fewer $Bs, in a worlds that has more and more of them. That's the issue. I think we may be in the end-game of the AC as it has evolved since Australia won it. Maybe it will return to something that looks like projects that run for a few months in a cycle, rather than the continuous hyper-professional circuit it has become. I don't think that would be so terrible.  

 

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3 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

Youtube stats showed around 30k watching in Auckland. SailGP in Taranto had around 2k.....but the App...!!!!!

30 thousand kiwis?

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2 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

that was the number of posts by number 1 fan Julian..

By a strange coincidence, also the number of posts made by 4U on the SailGP thread saying he wasn't interested in it

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1 hour ago, NSP said:

Obviously they're going to announce that they're suing each other :D

:D Yes, hopefully it's encouraging news.

I seem to remember ETNZ saying a while back there would be a status update by mid-June, so if this event was already-scheduled then perhaps we shouldn't expect anything definitive. 

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4 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

By a strange coincidence, also the number of posts made by 4U on the SailGP thread saying he wasn't interested in it

What an odd coincidence 

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10 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

The AC 72s are spectacular but they have to get less expensive and closer in performance.

And yet the protagonists are spending hundreds of millions to effect the opposite. Go figure. ;-)

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9 hours ago, dullers said:

30 thousand kiwis?

A hell of a lot more would have been watching free to air.

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10 hours ago, dogwatch said:

Fewer and fewer $Bs, in a worlds that has more and more of them. That's the issue. I think we may be in the end-game of the AC as it has evolved since Australia won it. Maybe it will return to something that looks like projects that run for a few months in a cycle, rather than the continuous hyper-professional circuit it has become. I don't think that would be so terrible.  

 

Agree. Meantime, SailGP, could provide all the sustainability needed for the professional circuit.

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1 hour ago, Sailbydate said:

A hell of a lot more would have been watching free to air.

Until they realised the cringe factor of the free to air broadcast and decided to watch the youtube feeds instead ;)

 

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4 hours ago, MrBump said:

Until they realised the cringe factor of the free to air broadcast and decided to watch the youtube feeds instead ;)

 

Well, if they were sailors, there was that, certainly. The rest - cringe factor wouldn't affect them, being just like the usual shit they watch on TV.

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11 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

By a strange coincidence, also the number of posts made by 4U on the SailGP thread saying he wasn't interested in it

Theres lots of posts in the AC threads from  people who aren't interested in the most current AC cycle too.

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From NZ Herald:

"Victory in March kicked off three months of exclusive negotiations with the Government over a further defence in Auckland. But talks appear to have stalled. While both sides have refused to comment while good faith negotiations are underway, the Herald has been told negotiators appointed to represent the Crown in talks with Team NZ have been told their bid was unsuccessful.

Whether Team New Zealand can take the event offshore appears to be the subject of debate among lawyers."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/royal-nz-yacht-squadron-to-meet-team-nz-boss-grant-dalton-over-americas-cup-future/LTOF7B6POSB6N5JQ7ZMYDPJSSM/

Bolding mine.

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A spokesman for Team New Zealand said Dalton would update squadron members about the negotiation process as he had throughout the process. It would not include discussing the outcome of negotiations with the Crown "because it is prior to the end of the exclusive negotiation period".

So, what the fuck are they updating/discussing then?

 

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47 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

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A spokesman for Team New Zealand said Dalton would update squadron members about the negotiation process as he had throughout the process. It would not include discussing the outcome of negotiations with the Crown "because it is prior to the end of the exclusive negotiation period".

So, what the fuck are they updating/discussing then?

 

Hoping to sell the offshore option benefits to members, I'd say.

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Oops.. liar liar pants on fire. 
 

On 4/28/2021 at 6:26 AM, Forourselves said:

In all seriousness, as much of an AC fan that I am, I watched the Bermuda SailGP event, and I did so with an open mind, and I tried as hard as I could to be objective about the racing.

So, the Kiwi team - uncharacteristically off the pace. To be expected with a brand new, untested boat with no sailing hours on their own boat. We all know how fast they learn, and they'll be top 4 easily by the the time the Lyttleton event comes around. 

 

On 6/8/2021 at 10:19 AM, Forourselves said:

I didnt watch the first event, but i cant help it if its all over my freakin FB and IG news feeds!

Maybe you shouldve just said Burling had shit luck in Bermuda too then. A brand new boat that was untested and ended up with hydraulic issues. Not his fault either. But consistency has never been your strongpoint.

 

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18 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Oops.. liar liar pants on fire. 
 

 

 

Yip, I watched the video below, because Matt had some great insight into the AC, so I watched all 6 minutes 20 seconds of his video. Its all I could endure of such a bush league event before I had to rewatch the AC finals again to see real racing.

 

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You said you watched the event, not part of it or a bit if it, but you watched the event

 

then you said you didn’t watch it at all 

 

now you watched a 6min video. 
 

You lied, you were caught out. Zero credibility. 

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1 hour ago, dg_sailingfan said:

 

The problem I see is no European country’s likely to put up facilities/venue money remotely on par with Valencia

And if they go to Qatar, it’ll be a light air fest similar to last week’s SailGP in Taranto

 

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1 hour ago, dg_sailingfan said:

Probably a good thing to have it rotate to different regions. But they should make sure the area has winds conducive to good sailing, not just a bunch of money bags. The AC should be a self funded event and not rely on the locals to bear the cost. 

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18 minutes ago, Xlot said:

 

The problem I see is no European country’s likely to put up facilities/venue money remotely on par with Valencia

And if they go to Qatar, it’ll be a light air fest similar to last week’s SailGP in Taranto

 

I would not mind Valencia :wub:, but Holy Heavens, would I be angry if I were a Kiwi.

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1 hour ago, Rennmaus said:

I would not mind Valencia :wub:, but Holy Heavens, would I be angry if I were a Kiwi.

Sorry, I was definitely not clear: I should have said “no European country’s likely to put up facilities/venue money on par with what was done in Valencia for AC32. Money is much tighter now

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1 minute ago, Xlot said:

Sorry, I was definitely not clear: I should have said “no European country’s likely to put up facilities/venue money on par with what was done in Valencia for AC32. Money is much tighter now

I know, the article didn't say anything about VLC either. Nonetheless, it is a great venue, facility, sightseeing and culture wise; wind wise less so.

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12 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

You said you watched the event, not part of it or a bit if it, but you watched the event

 

then you said you didn’t watch it at all 

 

now you watched a 6min video. 
 

You lied, you were caught out. Zero credibility. 

I did watch the event, just not the fake hyped SailGP version of the event.

So I haven't watched SailGP, but i have watched Matt Sheehans breakdown of it without the "Sailing redefined, sailing revolutionised fake bullshit that SailGP pushes. You wanna watch that crap with the rest of the dumbasses, go ahead. Not Me.

You jumped to conclusions because you're obsessed with me, because you're a troll.

You got caught out.

You have zero credibility.

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1 hour ago, Rennmaus said:

Nonetheless, it is a great venue, facility, sightseeing and culture wise; wind wise less so.

Sounds pretty much like Auckland was for the AC36 finals....

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By the way if you read that Gladwell article closely Richard thinks that there is already an Agreement in Place between the Kiwis and the Brits to come back to Auckland for AC38 in Auckland.

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6 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

By the way if you read that Gladwell article closely Richard thinks that there is already an Agreement in Place between the Kiwis and the Brits to come back to Auckland for AC38 in Auckland.

Not sure how welcome they would be if they take it away for AC37.

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6 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

By the way if you read that Gladwell article closely Richard thinks that there is already an Agreement in Place between the Kiwis and the Brits to come back to Auckland for AC38 in Auckland.

If they don't have money now how are they going to have it then?

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Sometimes I wish Four wasn’t blocked by so many people.. seeing him explain how he has watched an event that he then said he didn’t and justify the lies is gold. 

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

Sometimes I wish Four wasn’t blocked by so many people.. seeing him explain how he has watched an event that he then said he didn’t and justify the lies is gold. 

You have an unhealthy obsession with me. Time for you to take a break.

My beef is with SailGP, your beef is with me.

I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks or says. You're nothing more than a nameless faceless internet troll to me.

Unfortunately you can't say the same thing, so you're the one with the problem.

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7 hours ago, pusslicker said:

If they don't have money now how are they going to have it then?

The prevailing theory is that someone is going to pay them a handsome sum for holding AC37 offshore. 

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5 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Sometimes I wish Four wasn’t blocked by so many people.. seeing him explain how he has watched an event that he then said he didn’t and justify the lies is gold. 

I really dont miss the pointless arguments that you all have.

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14 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

By the way if you read that Gladwell article closely Richard thinks that there is already an Agreement in Place between the Kiwis and the Brits to come back to Auckland for AC38 in Auckland.

Will there come  a time when NZ concludes that it has demonstrated its prowess in the AC and simple decides to take a break and lot other nations spend hundreds of millions on chasing the cup.

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2 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Will there come  a time when NZ concludes that it has demonstrated its prowess in the AC and simple decides to take a break and lot other nations spend hundreds of millions on chasing the cup.

They've fucked it up enough so maybe that would be a good option. The only problem is that they are also the only ones that care at this point.

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11 hours ago, Gissie said:

Not sure how welcome they would be if they take it away for AC37.

Exactly, it makes no sense at all to promise an AC38 in Auckland if they can't or won't make it work for AC37. 

17 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

By the way if you read that Gladwell article closely Richard thinks that there is already an Agreement in Place between the Kiwis and the Brits to come back to Auckland for AC38 in Auckland.

 

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19 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

I know, the article didn't say anything about VLC either. Nonetheless, it is a great venue, facility, sightseeing and culture wise; wind wise less so.

The Darsena could surely be reutilized, it was pretty ideal. Wind-wise... Sardinia??

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34 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Exactly, it makes no sense at all to promise an AC38 in Auckland if they can't or won't make it work for AC37. 

 

Based on vigorous research consisting of reading this forum and the comments section on Facebook, which nobody should ever do, plenty of Kiwis appear to have no problem with TNZ taking AC37 offshore if AC38 will be in Auckland. In other words, plenty of Kiwis will welcome TNZ back. So maybe it makes some sense.

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38 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Exactly, it makes no sense at all to promise an AC38 in Auckland if they can't or won't make it work for AC37. 

I disagree. AC38 2026 in Auckland makes totally sense. By then that stubborn socialist Labor Government in NZ would open it's borders again.

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22 minutes ago, porthos said:

Based on vigorous research consisting of reading this forum and the comments section on Facebook, which nobody should ever do, plenty of Kiwis appear to have no problem with TNZ taking AC37 offshore if AC38 will be in Auckland. In other words, plenty of Kiwis will welcome TNZ back. So maybe it makes some sense.

It's just hard to fathom them making an agreement at this time with Auckland for AC38 if they can't do so for AC37.

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11 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

It's just hard to fathom them making an agreement at this time with Auckland for AC38 if they can't do so for AC37.

Why is that hard to fathom? I don't see how they need to reach an agreement now.  TNZ (with RNZYS's blessing, if they get it) hold AC37 offshore and get a boatload (pun intended) of money for doing so, making the team financially able to hold AC38 in Auckland. After AC37, TNZ (with RNZYS's blessing) goes to Auckland and negotiates terms that are better for Auckland then than they would be now. If Auckland declines -- and I doubt it would, particularly if TNZ loses the cup in AC37 and has to participate in the challenger series -- I'm sure there are other places they can hold it in NZ. And if the whole country declines, then there are likely plenty of other places outside of NZ that would be willing to host AC38.

That seems rather logical if not even likely. Will some in NZ be upset? Sure. But some always will. I suspect many in NZ would at the very least understand why TNZ did what it did. As others have noted, operating in the manner may be a survival issue for TNZ under the present circumstances.

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32 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

It's just hard to fathom them making an agreement at this time with Auckland for AC38 if they can't do so for AC37.

IMO, the problem does not rely in the fact that they don't hold AC37 in Auckland, but that they decide the second venue in a place without knowing the AC37 winner. Which means that CoR/D have an agreement and that not other competitors will be allowed in AC37, unless they make them sign the same prerequisite, and such prerequisite would not meet the Deed "Any YC can challenge", which would let open and law suit by the NNYC, unless they are involved in the negotiation.

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1 hour ago, porthos said:

I don't see how they need to reach an agreement now.

And yet that is what has been being suggested. I forget the original source, was it in an ETNZ statement? Or maybe Ratcliffe? 

 

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19 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

FIFY

Is it enough? The Americans have won it more since the Kiwi's have been involved and they don't obviously give a fuck. 

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Minor consideration: the eventual formal announcement of an extra-NZ venue would have to be on RNZYS’s letterhead. I don’t see them obliging without at least one or several passages through the courts (lawyers already arguing the clause of TNZ’s having the last word on venue is null and void), and this would take time

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1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

And yet that is what has been being suggested. I forget the original source, was it in an ETNZ statement? Or maybe Ratcliffe? 

 

Dunno. That is certainly what the rumor mill produced right after AC36. And TNZ and RNZYS don't seem entirely aligned, so perhaps TNZ suggested it.  But all of that is rumor and rumors are of very limited value. Fun to discuss but largely worthless. Might as well just wait to see what happens.

But if TNZ is in financial distress, holding AC37 offshore in exchange for an infusion of cash makes plenty sense.  

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1 minute ago, porthos said:

Dunno. That is certainly what the rumor mill produced right after AC36. And TNZ and RNZYS don't seem entirely aligned, so perhaps TNZ suggested it.  But all of that is rumor and rumors are of very limited value. Fun to discuss but largely worthless. Might as well just wait to see what happens.

But if TNZ is in financial distress, holding AC37 offshore in exchange for an infusion of cash makes plenty sense.  

Agreed, it could make financial sense for ETNZ and more broadly for the AC event and the chance to entice another team or two. 
 

On the other hand there must surely be people in NZ wanting it to stay in Auckland, including business interests. Guys like Peter Busfield? 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/sports/sailing/americas-cup-superyachts.amp.html
 

One rumor is that Jim Farmer is also among those looking to RNZYS to prevent the team from taking it offshore. 
James Farmer: Whatever the result, is this the last time the America's Cup event is held in NZ? 
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12365162

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6 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Agreed, it could make financial sense for ETNZ and more broadly for the AC event and the chance to entice another team or two. 
 

On the other hand there must surely be people in NZ wanting it to stay in Auckland, including business interests. Guys like Peter Busfield? 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/sports/sailing/americas-cup-superyachts.amp.html
 

One rumor is that Jim Farmer is also among those looking to RNZYS to prevent the team from taking it offshore. 
James Farmer: Whatever the result, is this the last time the America's Cup event is held in NZ? 
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12365162

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Of course there are people in NZ who want AC37 to be held in NZ. There appears be differing opinions even within RNZYS itself. And while I suspect RNZYS ceded a lot of decision-making authority to TNZ, legally RNZYS can put its foot down and tell TNZ AC37 will be held in NZ. That might be in breach of the contract between RNZYS and TNZ, but TNZ cannot force RNZYS to make a different decision. The Deed gives that decision to RNZYS.  What TNZ can do is tell RNZYS to find a new team. That would be an interesting game of chicken.

But, yeah, all kinds of people have a variety of opinions on this. But like rumor, opinions are of limited value. 

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48 minutes ago, Xlot said:

 I don’t see them obliging without at least one or several passages through the courts (lawyers already arguing the clause of TNZ’s having the last word on venue is null and void), and this would take time

I agree, and I may add: what if CoR won't be keen to wait that time? Again, I find it a bad decision to accept Ineos as CoR, but it's true also that GD didn't have too much of a choice. Friendship with LR was over, and AM wanted to take AC back to traditional sailing. And I can't see other teams ready to start an AC campaign, except Alinghi maybe, and I don't think it could be an option. So, not a simple situation for GD. 

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How quickly the cries of traitor have been forgotten by some, yet Russel and friends are still despised by some Kiwis. If TNZ take the cup offshore, for most Kiwis it would mean they would just be T. There is no way they would be considered a Kiwi team by most, especially the superficial followers that show up for a month during the event.

There will always be some diehard fans that just don't care what behaviour their team gets up to in an effort to keep the cup, but the chances are all 4 are present on this forum.

I would find it an insult and example of how far we have changed over the years as a country if it moves. I have supported the team for years, although this support has faltered during some of the antics during the last cup. Desperation leads to desperate acts I guess.

The cup needs a simple set of races, not a huge expense. TNZ want the full circus at vast expense. It would seem that during the transformation from humble beings to powerful juggernaut they have forgotten how to distinguish between wants and needs.

So they are free to go, assuming RNZYS are happy to get rogered, but they are not free to take the NZ name with them.

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If they do take the Cup offshore it sure would be interesting to know what the financial difference was, between what they got elsewhere versus making a deal in their hometown Aukland. It may not be much different but I suppose we'll never know.

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9 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Will there come  a time when NZ concludes that it has demonstrated its prowess in the AC and simple decides to take a break and lot other nations spend hundreds of millions on chasing the cup.

Probably, when TNZ closes its doors.

Could be sooner rather than later, if the sponsorship landscape remains scorched by, COVID.

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3 hours ago, pusslicker said:

Is it enough? The Americans have won it more since the Kiwi's have been involved and they don't obviously give a fuck. 

The Americans have won it twice since the Kiwis have been involved (since 87). The Kiwis have won it 4 times. Last I checked, 4 was more than 2.

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19 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

If they do take the Cup offshore it sure would be interesting to know what the financial difference was, between what they got elsewhere versus making a deal in their hometown Aukland. It may not be much different but I suppose we'll never know.

Very well could be the difference between survival and the abyss, Stinger.

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On 6/10/2021 at 11:13 PM, Sailbydate said:

A hell of a lot more would have been watching free to air.

I am sure you are right but New Zealand is a small market? The problem for the Americas cup and its spin off is that even many yachties are not interested in it. I just dont know how they are going to get this to a wider audience. I am pretty sure kms dont help.

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1 minute ago, Sailbydate said:

Very well could be the difference between survival and the abyss, Stinger.

Could be that stark, but how big is the actual difference? It may or may not be that much all things considered. They DO have a $B, for one..

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5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

The Americans have won it twice since the Kiwis have been involved (since 87). The Kiwis have won it 4 times. Last I checked, 4 was more than 2.

Not this shit again. You might as well go with the AC didn't start until '95 bullshit. You're more deluded than an Oregon Ducks fan. 87,88,92,10,13. Help me with the math fuckface.

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1 minute ago, Stingray~ said:

Could be that stark, but how big is the actual difference? It may or may not be that much all things considered. They DO have a $B, for one..

What you forget is that holding the AC offshore, say somewhere in Europe, also opens up more possibility for BIG name sponsors for, TNZ. It's not just about hosting rights.

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15 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Sometimes I wish Four wasn’t blocked by so many people.. seeing him explain how he has watched an event that he then said he didn’t and justify the lies is gold. 

I blocked him so I only had 168 pages to read on sail gp instead of 16800 pages mainly filled with page after page of him explaining very ironically that he is not interested in sail gp.

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50 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

Not this shit again. You might as well go with the AC didn't start until '95 bullshit. You're more deluded than an Oregon Ducks fan. 87,88,92,10,13. Help me with the math fuckface.

Then youll find we’re equal if you count 88. MBYC is etched on the AC trophy as a win in 88. 

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48 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

What you forget is that holding the AC offshore, say somewhere in Europe, also opens up more possibility for BIG name sponsors for, TNZ. It's not just about hosting rights.

Sure, that's very plausible.

But I still point some of the 'blame' at Matteo for if ETNZ are now feeling a pinch from him. From the article I liked to earlier written by Jim Farmer, bold mine:

 

 

It may be too late however to restore public and Government confidence in TNZ in its current corporate form and with its current management personnel. Apart from the weaknesses and failings identified by BV, questions also need to be asked how a company that appeals to the public for financial and other support can adopt a bespoke structure which has sitting over the top of its board a person (Matteo de Nora) described as "Team Principal" with undefined powers and accountabilities. De Nora's contribution, financial and otherwise, to TNZ goes back a long way and has been considerable. But there is no sound principle of corporate governance that would countenance the role of a person who is not a director of the board having superior access to and influence over the CEO/managing director of a company than the directors, particularly in the circumstances that Grant Dalton occupies over both TNZ and ACE.

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5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Then youll find we’re equal if you count 88. MBYC is etched on the AC trophy as a win in 88. 

What the fuck? Who defended in '92? MBYC? Seriously. I'm curious to your 4 to 2 math. 

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1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

Sure, that's very plausible.

But I still point some of the 'blame' at Matteo for if ETNZ are now feeling a pinch from him. From the article I liked to earlier written by Jim Farmer, bold mine:

 

 

It may be too late however to restore public and Government confidence in TNZ in its current corporate form and with its current management personnel. Apart from the weaknesses and failings identified by BV, questions also need to be asked how a company that appeals to the public for financial and other support can adopt a bespoke structure which has sitting over the top of its board a person (Matteo de Nora) described as "Team Principal" with undefined powers and accountabilities. De Nora's contribution, financial and otherwise, to TNZ goes back a long way and has been considerable. But there is no sound principle of corporate governance that would countenance the role of a person who is not a director of the board having superior access to and influence over the CEO/managing director of a company than the directors, particularly in the circumstances that Grant Dalton occupies over both TNZ and ACE.

if I was playing the blame game, the only 'blame' I see as being valid is the unexpected appearance of a worldwide pandemic. 

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2 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

if I was playing the blame game, the only 'blame' I see as being valid is the unexpected appearance of a worldwide pandemic. 

Of course, the pandemic wreaked havoc on a lot of events. But I think it's a safe-enough bet that NZ, like Europe is already doing, will begin to open up to vaccinated tourists and superyachts and such by AC37.

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10 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

It's just hard to fathom them making an agreement at this time with Auckland for AC38 if they can't do so for AC37.

As long as New Zealand has closed borders the AC37 is not economically viable in Auckland.  When the world is fully vaccinated and people can travel freely again then AC?? will be economically viable to be held in Auckland.

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7 hours ago, Gissie said:

The cup needs a simple set of races, not a huge expense.

Dumbing it down sure brings clarity....to some........

 

If TNZ take the Cup offshore, I'll be disappointed, but I will continue to support the team. It's not a decision they'll take lightly, they'll do it because they have to - financial realities. I can live with that.

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41 minutes ago, Terry Hollis said:

As long as New Zealand has closed borders the AC37 is not economically viable in Auckland.  When the world is fully vaccinated and people can travel freely again then AC?? will be economically viable to be held in Auckland.

It won't happen, and why would it ?

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48 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

Dumbing it down sure brings clarity....to some........

 

If TNZ take the Cup offshore, I'll be disappointed, but I will continue to support the team. It's not a decision they'll take lightly, they'll do it because they have to - financial realities. I can live with that.

Why that assertion ?

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34 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Why that assertion ?

TNZ would prefer to hold the event in NZ, but if they can't raise the necessary funds locally to do it properly, then they'll have look elsewhere. Nothing would be worse than a chronically underfunded defence.

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2 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

Dumbing it down sure brings clarity....to some........

 

If TNZ take the Cup offshore, I'll be disappointed, but I will continue to support the team. It's not a decision they'll take lightly, they'll do it because they have to - financial realities. I can live with that.

The financial realities are made by the team. No one else. It is needs versus wants.

I would not support an NZ team, in any sport, that thinks it should chose to compete overseas because it couldn't afford to stay because of decisions it had made.

Each to his own of course, but I know none that would support them keeping the NZ in TNZ.

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24 minutes ago, Gissie said:

The financial realities are made by the team. No one else. It is needs versus wants.

I would not support an NZ team, in any sport, that thinks it should chose to compete overseas because it couldn't afford to stay because of decisions it had made.

Each to his own of course, but I know none that would support them keeping the NZ in TNZ.

So you'd be happy to support an underfunded TNZ at home, defending against a Sir James funded challenge? 

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