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31 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said:

Exactly, and of course if the money is to cover the event (which it is) then it doesn't mean that ETNZ are disadvantaged in any way by taking it, because they can still get sponsorship for their campaign. 

What about the host agreement fee?

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1 minute ago, Forourselves said:

So does the $40mil cover the hosting fee? Because if it did that leaves nothing to cover the event running costs. 

Really, you think the government should hand over 99 mill as a hosting fee, then pay for running the event as well? :lol:

You are dreaming and not worth talking to if this is how you think it should work.

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7 hours ago, IPLore said:

Fun post.

For decades, the AC was defended on home waters even though the DOG does not specify this.  There was a home water advantage because the defender had selection trials on the defender's home water and the best boat for local conditions would emerge.  This changed when Allinghi defended the cup in Spain and then occurred again when Oracle defended in Bermuda. In both cases the teams were well funded , single defenses that sought an international location .  Both had reasons to look around at other locations than their club.   The precedent has been established. 

In the case of TNZ, the motivation is different and emotional in many ways because they are not looking at other locations either because they dont have a suitable local location (Allinghi). Auckland is clearly suitable for racing.Nor because they dont have local support (Oracle). The NZ govt and Auckland city are clearly as supportive as they can be and much more supportive than any other government or city.  The reason TNZ has found itself looking around is that they are an extremely succesful team from a very small nation, and they are struggling to find sponsorship and funding for an AC in Auckland. The CEO is focused on fund raising and one of the avenues he believes he must explore is looking at other locations.

If I was a kiwi (Im not), I would hope that TNZ finds sponsors and funding to support a credible Auckland defense, but if the funding meant defending the cup offshore, I would still be supporting my team.

Surely the support for the All Blacks is not affected by where the Rugby World Cup is held.  I realize it is very different and there is something special about "defending" the America's cup.

Ironically in this case, TNZ is the only team from the four participants last time around that has uncertain funding.  It is a unique sporting event, where the players are professional but the sport does not generate revenue and is really a playground for the rich.

 

It is a problem of their own making by creating a class that that requires a large support staff, simulator software, etc.  I have zero sympathy for them or their fans.  They are taking the Oracle model of milking the AC brand for all its worth to new levels, all while crying poverty.

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14 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Really, you think the government should hand over 99 mill as a hosting fee, then pay for running the event as well? :lol:

You are dreaming and not worth talking to if this is how you think it should work.

Ugh No.. god you jump to conclusions. When say, a host city pays a hosting fee to host say, a Rugby World Cup, it goes to the IRFU. They use the fees to contribute to furthering the sport etc, it’s essentially a payment for the right to host the event, to use the trademarks advertise etc, it’s generally not to cover the event running costs. Running costs fall on the host venue to cover on top of the host fee. What I’m saying is, out of the CASH offered to Team NZ, out of that, the hosting fee will have to be paid, this will not be all of the 99mil. But it will (I assume) be part of it. If the cash offer is around $40mil, and the hosting fee is paid out of that $40mil, that leaves the difference to cover event running costs which would be very minimal. 
 

Last time the Government was reluctant to pay a host fee because they had already agreed to invest 115 mil (or whatever it was) in infrastructure costs to develop Wynyard Wharf. The Hosting fee is merely to use the brand name and trademarks for advertising.

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So much focus on cost. It is not a cost, it is an investment.

The COVID restrictions clearly had an impact on the benefit (return) to the New Zealand economy in that no high spending spectators, such as superyacht owners and their crews, could visit New Zealand for AC36.

But to quote the New Zealand government's own report of the time (albeit a different political balance in power) In 2000 the return to the NZL economy of the AC was $495 million followed by a return in 2003 with a return of $529 million.

For the hard of hearing that is over $1Billion 

Also in those three years in between the America's Cup being hosted in New Zealand generated an extra 9,360 additional "full time equivalent" jobs in New Zealand presumably with the accompanying additional income tax receipts to the New Zealand treasury.

And don't forget that since 2003 we have had 13 years of inflation - that creeping curse that never goes away.

These are not personal 'brick bats' but FACTS!

If any other business/industry had historically provided that sort of impact to their economy and was finding it tough to fund itself would they take the same attitude or just let it consider moving to a foreign country.

Perhaps it is a prime example of 'tall poppy syndrome' or the government doesn't like the idea of another entity being more popular than they are.

The last part of this post is speculation, the first part is quoting the same government (different make up perhaps) that right now is saying that the event/team isn't worth a greater investment than they have offered.

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9 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Partly agree, budget is key, their is another factor in the AC: time.

The time spent to shop another venue is not helping. Also, I don't know how reliable figures are but: if it is true the NZ gvt proposed $ 100 M, or even $40 M "only", it is still a lot for the improvement of an already existing class in a short period of time.

Some have been writing that GD is looking for $ 200 M, but for what ? to spend it in a few months before AC37 ? It makes no sense to me.

You have the right to believe that the reason to shop the venue is to have bigger chance to win, it also provide some "excuse" for their favourite team, well, I don't believe it.

I agree with you Tornado that time is also a factor, but the time remaining to the first race of AC37 is the same for all teams (defender and potential challengers).

While the money team of ETNZ are working towards securing funding I am sure the design and analysis team are not sitting round twiddling their thumbs but hard at work in front of their computer screens working towards their AC75 Mark 3.

They do have the bridging finance of $5m in place I understand and that should keep people working for a while.

What is likely to be suffering, in spite of some claims to the contrary, is team morale. Questions like 'how long will the 5m last?', 'are Emirates still with us or gone?', 'will I be based here at home with my family or working as an expat somewhere - AND where?', or 'am I likely to have to look for a new job in a few months time?'

Uncertainty is generally an unsettling factor in peoples minds and therefore performance.

One thing I would say about Grant Dalton is that, love him or hate him, he usually does somehow manage to come up with the goods, all the way back to the Fish Pie days.

One final comment, why do we have to descend into the personal insult levels when discussing what is a pretty serious matter for our sport? 

If TNZ doesn't have funding required to mount a meaningful defence of the America's Cup in AC37, wherever that event is held, it will rather make a mockery of what is considered (by the public at the very least) as a/the pinnacle of our sport. And that cannot be good for sailing.  

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12 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

These numbers are always lies. 941 million? LOL. F1 does this too. I remember living in England and at the time the numbers they published would have been like one out of every four people watching F1. In all my travels I've still only met a couple people that even know what F1 is. And the AC? A small fraction of F1. 

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49 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

These numbers are always lies. 

Hahaha I wondered who would be the first of the haters to say that! So predictable! Lol it’s a government conspiracy I tell you! They’re lying to us I tell you! It’s lies, lies I tell you! It’s Atifas fault! Let’s storm the capital building and kill Democrats! Hahaha gold!

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5 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

NZ Herald quoting their poll of 1,000 Kiwis - with 43% believing the Government/Council offer of $99 million (in kind and cash) 'was sufficient'.

Can I therefore assume almost 60% of those polled thought it was insufficient? The Herald is drawing idiotic conclusions again :D

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4 hours ago, Forourselves said:

When say, a host city pays a hosting fee to host say, a Rugby World Cup, it goes to the IRFU. They use the fees to contribute to furthering the sport etc, it’s essentially a payment for the right to host the event,

So therefore the hosting fee should go to NZ Sailing so they can grow the sport or at the very least RNZYS as the conducting club.  As you say Clarkey, TNZ is a business but it is not a Government business but a private entity.  I cant see how you think the tax-payer should fund a private business and then let that business have carte- blanch do do what they want with the money with no strings attached.  I bet there will conditions on who-ever's money the team ends up with.

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27 minutes ago, trt131 said:

So therefore the hosting fee should go to NZ Sailing so they can grow the sport or at the very least RNZYS as the conducting club.  As you say Clarkey, TNZ is a business but it is not a Government business but a private entity.  I cant see how you think the tax-payer should fund a private business and then let that business have carte- blanch do do what they want with the money with no strings attached.  I bet there will conditions on who-ever's money the team ends up with.

No, it should go to the RNZYS, as they are the Defending club. 

The Age old "Team NZ isn't a National team because its privately funded" blah blah Yawn, That is irrelevant once the racing starts, as is every other off the water accusations etc. 

It is what it is. ETNZ, representing the RNZYS is the defending Club/ Team. They call the shots.

They decide, along with their CoR, how to run the event, not politicians sitting in their offices in Wellington. Thats how the AC works. Thats how its always worked.

 

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2 hours ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

Can I therefore assume almost 60% of those polled thought it was insufficient? The Herald is drawing idiotic conclusions again :D

Not quite, SB.

"A NZ Herald Kantar nationwide poll found 43 per cent believed the $99m offer was sufficient with 25 per cent saying the Government and the council should not have offered any funding to Emirates Team New Zealand.

Just 11 per cent of respondents said the Government and council should have offered Team New Zealand whatever it wanted, and just over one in five (21 per cent) were unsure about how much public funding should go to holding the next event in the City of Sails."

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https://www.sail-world.com/news/238971/36th-Americas-Cup-gets-close-to-a-billion-viewers?fbclid=IwAR2bzQA8SIst-TV7CmlQLAEXoOGaQxXYGxq7JgWhGypR8qg3xPJ73V3Vx7M

36th America's Cup is the most watched ever - reaching an audience of almost a billion viewers

With an audience of almost a billion viewers, the 36th America’s Cup presented by Prada achieved its clear broadcast and viewership objectives to be the most watched America’s Cup ever with the dedicated viewership audience 3.2 times the size of the audience of the 35th America’s Cup in Bermuda in 2017

 

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3 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Do you believe the Sail GP numbers as well? 

No, but then again I don't believe they're reinventing/ redefining or revolutionizing sailing either, because well, they're simply not, and that is pretty obvious.

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Those viewing figures are by adding all the audiences for each race together. We've seen that track together. The 60m figure is more realistic. Still a big improvement over before but a fraction of what truly big sports get

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44 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

No, but then again I don't believe they're reinventing/ redefining or revolutionizing sailing either, because well, they're simply not, and that is pretty obvious.

I believe this number because it supports my position, I don’t believe this other number because it doesn’t. 
 

haha! You really don’t help yourself. 
 

try this number 0. It’s the number of race wins Pete managed on his F50 debut. Let me guess, you don’t believe that number either when we all saw it? 

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3 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

Not quite, SB.

"A NZ Herald Kantar nationwide poll found 43 per cent believed the $99m offer was sufficient with 25 per cent saying the Government and the council should not have offered any funding to Emirates Team New Zealand.

Just 11 per cent of respondents said the Government and council should have offered Team New Zealand whatever it wanted, and just over one in five (21 per cent) were unsure about how much public funding should go to holding the next event in the City of Sails."

Thanks SBD, I had to reinstall paywall-bypass to finally read the article which I should have done in the first place!

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9 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

These are not personal 'brick bats' but FACTS!

They are reported facts. Every report since the beginning of time has found bread-and-circuses events to be a fine investment with high positive ROI. They would say that, wouldn't they? On the whole, management consultancy reports don't go back to the body that commissioned them saying "Idiots, you pissed taxpayer money up against the wall". Not the way to go for recurring business.

 

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9 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

Sorry buddy, but in many countries you could watch the livestream for free. I watched it using my VPN in English (FOR FREE) while my wife watched it - with an excellent Chinese commentary -  on one of the many FREE feeds here in China.

 

Ditto for Italy

 

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

I believe this number because it supports my position, I don’t believe this other number because it doesn’t. 
 

haha! You really don’t help yourself. 
 

try this number 0. It’s the number of race wins Pete managed on his F50 debut. Let me guess, you don’t believe that number either when we all saw it? 

The ENTIRE premise of SailGP is fake. From "reimagining sailing, redefining and revolutionising sailing" to "National teams" and "Country v country" its fake from one end to the other, from the start till now, so why anyone would believe what they say is just ridiculous.

So No, my narrative has nothing to do with it. I don't believe anything that comes out of Sailgp because the entire series is fake.

Try this. 2. Its the number of times Pete managed to win the AC. 2.

Try this. 4. Its the number of times NZ has won the Americas Cup.

1. The number of times Larrys team were caught cheating, and the number of times they were forced to hand back trophies.

How has SailGP reimagined sailing? It hasn't.

How has SailGP redefined sailing? It hasn't.

How has SailGP revolutionised sailing? It hasn't.

Where are the National teams? There aren't any.

 

 

 

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On 6/15/2021 at 6:09 PM, enigmatically2 said:

"aim to be the first team to win three cups in a row"

That is 4U standards of history re-writing

according to my maths they are about 8% of the way to eclipsing that one,

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5 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

Not quite, SB.

"A NZ Herald Kantar nationwide poll found 43 per cent believed the $99m offer was sufficient with 25 per cent saying the Government and the council should not have offered any funding to Emirates Team New Zealand.

Just 11 per cent of respondents said the Government and council should have offered Team New Zealand whatever it wanted, and just over one in five (21 per cent) were unsure about how much public funding should go to holding the next event in the City of Sails."

Thanks. That’s slightly more meaningful than the original post ;)

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On 6/27/2021 at 10:56 AM, Sailbydate said:

Some of you cunts need a dose of reality. Emirates Airlines just made its first loss in 30 years - US$6 billion from the COVID-19 hit.

What are they? A fucking charity?

Emirates airlines is owned by the government of Dubai.  So no it is not a fucking charity, but an airborne fucking ponzi scheme.

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3 hours ago, dogwatch said:

They are reported facts. Every report since the beginning of time has found bread-and-circuses events to be a fine investment with high positive ROI. They would say that, wouldn't they? On the whole, management consultancy reports don't go back to the body that commissioned them saying "Idiots, you pissed taxpayer money up against the wall". Not the way to go for recurring business.

 

There is a difference between reported facts and a government report - I would at least hope.

So a New Zealand government report on the returns or job creation are not facts? Whatever. No point in arguing with such a clouded view.

Mark you with dear Boris as our Prime Minister I can understand your cynicism. 

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3 hours ago, shebeen said:

according to my maths they are about 8% of the way to eclipsing that one,

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Absolutely.  That was the mystique. The US seemed unbeatable.

But it was a different era. Since the cup was "lifted"   . San Diego Yacht Club 3 peated but only if you include the totally unrealistic DOG match with a cat vs monohull. So really nobody has 3 peated under a common measurement rule since 1980.......41 years ago!

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1 hour ago, shanghaisailor said:

There is a difference between reported facts and a government report - I would at least hope.

So a New Zealand government report on the returns or job creation are not facts? Whatever. No point in arguing with such a clouded view.

Mark you with dear Boris as our Prime Minister I can understand your cynicism. 

I am not a cynic. I'm a sceptic. 

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13 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

“Reached” lol.  Nice metric. How many actually watched? “Derp”

Yep, 'Reach' is pretty meaningless. It's actual views that count although reach helps with views.

This could well be reasonably accurate, although it's hard to know how they measure a 'view' (did it last more than 20 secs?)- from America's Cup: The staggering TV and social media numbers from Auckland 2021 | Stuff.co.nz

At 68.2m, the dedicated TV audience for Auckland was more than three times that of the 35th America’s Cup in Bermuda (20.5m). The dedicated audience includes all those who watched the event live, delayed or highlights on TV, at americascup.com, YouTube and Facebook.

 

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27 minutes ago, Xlot said:

Comments on America’s Cup Media press release claiming AC36 was the most viewed ever?

 

Some comments are already here, just scroll upwards. 

I know, that other site is not loved too much on SA, but there were two good Editor's notes in today's newsletter:

Re. the numbers:

Editor's note: Like most data, it can mean whatever you want it to mean, so we couldn't bring ourselves to use the report's headline, '36th America's Cup Is The Most Viewed Ever'. We are not sure what "viewed" means, but it feels misleading, plus we remain bitter for having been possibly the only country where viewing meant having to pay a fee. 

Re. the event as such:

Editor's note: Through the history of the America's Cup, it has not always fostered great competition, but the difference now is how it is being presented. The current event is intended to be entertainment, and that runs the risk of us not being entertained. Whereas before we accepted the event to be what it was, a sailing competition, now it has to live up to heightened expectations which can backfire. Our advice… under promise and pray that you over deliver.

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7 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

There is a difference between reported facts and a government report - I would at least hope.

So a New Zealand government report on the returns or job creation are not facts? Whatever. No point in arguing with such a clouded view.

Mark you with dear Boris as our Prime Minister I can understand your cynicism. 

"An in-depth broadcast and media analysis undertaken by Nielsen". Not quite sure where the government report comes in. And the Uighurs are just at summer camp.

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10 hours ago, Xlot said:

Thanks. That’s slightly more meaningful than the original post ;)

I wasn't interested at all in what 1,000 random Kiwis had to say in answer to a bunch of leading, self-serving questions. ;-)

My interest was that our elected officials tried to use it to justify yet another failure. 

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4 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

I wasn't interested at all in what 1,000 random Kiwis had to say in answer to a bunch of leading, self-serving questions. ;-)

My interest was that our elected officials tried to use it to justify yet another failure. 

Of course, why should we give a toss what the proles think.

As for our elected officials, who do they think they are, they should have just handed over a blank cheque and washed their hands of the whole thing.

Marie Antoinette would be oh so proud of you.

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6 hours ago, pusslicker said:

"An in-depth broadcast and media analysis undertaken by Nielsen". Not quite sure where the government report comes in. And the Uighurs are just at summer camp.

What are you on? Be a pal and pass the bong.

Obviously have an innate inability to read up thread. To avoid anyone else's ability to follow the thread jumps and quotes I have copied the link to the report that I originally referred to yesterday for the benefits of those who do not know how to search on Bing or Google.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/regatta-delivers-half-billion-dollars-economy

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there will be those naysayers who say the attached is flawed (many of them also perhaps believe Trump won the election)

In the modern electronic world it is fairly easy to monitor these sorts of figures and would be easy to disprove so why lie.

They also do not include countries where the feed was distributed through non youtube or America's Cup feeds. China for example at times had 200k viewers on the up to 9 internet feeds with Chinese commentary.

No further comment other than the figures speak for themselves.

One further point is that there are those who would doubt the bottom line media value but I understand that standard algorithms in the media world were used for this figure. 

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5 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

there will be those naysayers who say the attached is flawed (many of them also perhaps believe Trump won the election)

In the modern electronic world it is fairly easy to monitor these sorts of figures and would be easy to disprove so why lie.

They also do not include countries where the feed was distributed through non youtube or America's Cup feeds. China for example at times had 200k viewers on the up to 9 internet feeds with Chinese commentary.

No further comment other than the figures speak for themselves.

One further point is that there are those who would doubt the bottom line media value but I understand that standard algorithms in the media world were used for this figure. 

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I find the increased global audience figures hard to believe without the actual numbers. anyone can make an infographic look sexy - looking at live figures specifically:

i live in africa, GMT +2, same as Italy, the racing was at 5am. so 3am for UK. only hardcore european sailing fans are getting up to watch that, and that is a huge part of the market.

the US time was about 9/11pm West/East coast, but pretty sure the viewership dropped once AM was gone.

NZ is tiny, and (Aus don't really like to see them achieving either) so unless there was a massive viewing in the far east (they did have a china sticker on the black boat) I highly doubt the live view was larger than Bermuda.

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the delayed feed, youtube/facebook/social media contact does not mean as much to the people in the know. it's a sporting event and the eyes on it whilst it's happening is the biggest metric. 8m unique youtube is probably larger than bermuda, but still a long way down in the sporting world.

 

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5 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

there will be those naysayers who say the attached is flawed (many of them also perhaps believe Trump won the election)

In the modern electronic world it is fairly easy to monitor these sorts of figures and would be easy to disprove so why lie.

They also do not include countries where the feed was distributed through non youtube or America's Cup feeds. China for example at times had 200k viewers on the up to 9 internet feeds with Chinese commentary.

No further comment other than the figures speak for themselves.

One further point is that there are those who would doubt the bottom line media value but I understand that standard algorithms in the media world were used for this figure. 

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If you believe these numbers, you certainly also think that one should believe the F1 or Sail GP numbers, I assume. 

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1 hour ago, Rennmaus said:

If you believe these numbers, you certainly also think that one should believe the F1 or Sail GP numbers, I assume. 

You know what they say. When you assume you make an ass out of you and me.

Just quoting the figures, it is up to the individual whether they trust them or not. All I would say is that some sources are more reliable than others.

I do know there were a lot of people here in China were watching it, I was getting pinged on my Wechat by Chinese friends the whole time.

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1 hour ago, shebeen said:

 

I find the increased global audience figures hard to believe without the actual numbers. anyone can make an infographic look sexy - looking at live figures specifically:

i live in africa, GMT +2, same as Italy, the racing was at 5am. so 3am for UK. only hardcore european sailing fans are getting up to watch that, and that is a huge part of the market.

the US time was about 9/11pm West/East coast, but pretty sure the viewership dropped once AM was gone.

NZ is tiny, and (Aus don't really like to see them achieving either) so unless there was a massive viewing in the far east (they did have a china sticker on the black boat) I highly doubt the live view was larger than Bermuda.

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the delayed feed, youtube/facebook/social media contact does not mean as much to the people in the know. it's a sporting event and the eyes on it whilst it's happening is the biggest metric. 8m unique youtube is probably larger than bermuda, but still a long way down in the sporting world.

 

I would also be skeptical.  TNZ is in full marketing mode to sell the event to hosts and sponsors.

However, I would caution against solely focusing on the live feed and live viewing numbers.   Replays and highlights are extremely valuable to brands because you can do more advertising and/or brand highlighting during a replay.

My gut was that Bermuda got more attention in the US than the NZ event so I was surprised ro see the reverse.....but the streaming may have improved.

I still think the AC is a tough platform for brand building. What does it stand for?

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59 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

You know what they say. When you assume you make an ass out of you and me.

Just quoting the figures, it is up to the individual whether they trust them or not. All I would say is that some sources are more reliable than others.

I do know there were a lot of people here in China were watching it, I was getting pinged on my Wechat by Chinese friends the whole time.

??? Who says what? 

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Ok as Shanghai points out, in the new covidland, pro sailing is basically a license to print money. Hopefully we will all get friends and family shares when SGP does its IPO and Dalton Perpetual Team does likewise. 

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2 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Ok as Shanghai points out, in the new covidland, pro sailing is basically a license to print money. Hopefully we will all get friends and family shares when SGP does its IPO and Dalton Perpetual Team does likewise. 

Did I say that?? Fuck, I hate it when people put words into my mouth I didn't actually speak. From the evidence I see , and actually experience it is currently harder to get sponsorship money. You know, the knockbacks and corporate marketing budget cutbacks that is the current reality and which is quite the opposite of being able to print money

Shares? You'd have to be either a  friend or family to qualify, I don't think I qualify for either.

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See how quickly people believe there IS a forthcoming IPO?  

I have set up a Venmo account.  Send me your money and I will include you in my IPO allotment.  I told Larry how to cure corral cuts without having the butler piss on him and we are all good now.

 

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8 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

You know what they say. When you assume you make an ass out of you and me.

Just quoting the figures, it is up to the individual whether they trust them or not. All I would say is that some sources are more reliable than others.

I do know there were a lot of people here in China were watching it, I was getting pinged on my Wechat by Chinese friends the whole time.

Some of my Uighur mates were pinging me like crazy talking about how much they were loving this Cup. They were definitely a captive audience.

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41 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

Some of my Uighur mates were pinging me like crazy talking about how much they were loving this Cup. They were definitely a captive audience.

I'm surprised you have any mates.

I see you are in Paris, funny that. I was in Kunming (promoting sailing) at almost the exact time (same time, same place to within 24 hours) a bunch of Uighurs got off a train and ran down the street with samurai swords slashing and killing anyone who got in the way. When terrorism gets that close to you it does tend to colour your views. Some of the extreme rhetoric on Facebook stirring things u[ was traced to a Paris IP address leading to the banning of Facebook in China. Mmm I wonder!

Anyway goodbye, I have no desire to read your twisted posts any more.

Have fun 

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23 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Perhaps those numbers will now force the government to revise its “best offer”.

You think the government doesn't know the numbers are cooked? This weakens GD's position if anything. What do these numbers mean anyway to the government? What is their return on investment in a non-covid cup? We've all been to Cups and they are nothing like the Olympics or World Cup or any other event you compare them to.

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33 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

You think the government doesn't know the numbers are cooked? This weakens GD's position if anything. What do these numbers mean anyway to the government? What is their return on investment in a non-covid cup? We've all been to Cups and they are nothing like the Olympics or World Cup or any other event you compare them to.

Doesn’t matter. They’re out there now - officially. What do they mean? They mean NZ as a country has been advertised to 940 million people. That’s more than the rugby World Cup, and more than the Super Bowl. That means 940 million pairs of eye balls all watching NZ. 

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Uh, we know NZ exists. Question is, will it be opened up by the time of the next Cup? Australia doesn't look to be in any hurry. If it's not opened up, some of the advertised allure may fade in memory. 

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20 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Uh, we know NZ exists. Question is, will it be opened up by the time of the next Cup? Australia doesn't look to be in any hurry. If it's not opened up, some of the advertised allure may fade in memory. 

Its not overseas travellers they’re looking to attract, we’ll not yet anyway, it’s business, it’s trade, it’s the clean green NZ image that accompanies NZ exports overseas that the Government sees return on investment in. Kiwifruit, NZ lamb, NZ Dairy, even Timber, all large market exports for NZ into places like China, the EU and the US. Even the Movie industry has bought into NZ as a filming location. They buy NZ products simply because they’re guaranteed quality because of the NZ brand, the Image, the clean green NZ image projected around the world by events like the America’s Cup. The more eyes on the NZ brand, the more business it generates, the higher the return on investment. 
Once the borders open, the tourism industry will also capitalise on the exposure the AC provides for NZ as a tourist destination.

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2 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

 he could begin to adapt their boat to the venue in advance

What adding wheels to the foils allowing them to sail over the sandbanks...........don't Dick Carter do something like this 6o years ago.:rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Conspiracy theories ?.......It's the Asocial-Cat.

As usual Asocial-Cat got it completely wrong!

The deal between Sir Grant and Sir James was done long ago in Monaco, where they are close neighbors.

The whole venue game is a developer's veil to buy up as much as they can around the Beaulieu River, so that they can watch the next DOG-Match from their lawns, together with their B$ friends.

Ratty already owns a nice property along the river.

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That, and several thousand of acres nearby at Fawley.

And Grunter is known to be swapping his Lymington mansion for the picturesque Gins Farm, right next to the posh Southampton Yacht Club.

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Plenty of room to accommodate all 12 teams along this "beau lieu", and the racing will be just outside the entrance, off the Royal Yacht Squadron Cows' Green.

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And you know, pictures or it isn't true.

P.S. All information herein is confidential and not entirely the authors responsibility and fiction.

 

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3 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

We don't know what happens behind the supposed "negotiations" but what if GD already knows the venue without telling Ratcliffe ? he could begin to adapt their boat to the venue in advance.

Conspiracy theories ?.......It's the AC.

Then Ratcliffe is stupid, and I don't think Ratcliffe is stupid. If RNZYS/TNZ is being coy or somehow not sharing information reasonably with RYS Ltd/INEOS, all Jim has to do is say "fuck it, let's have a DoG match" and RNZYS/TNZ are toast.  They've already showed their hand that they are financially strapped. 

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1 hour ago, SloopJohnB said:

What adding wheels to the foils allowing them to sail over the sandbanks...........don't Dick Carter do something like this 6o years ago.:rolleyes:

Kind of, Red Rooster and Noryema, I read it all here, in SA.

 

On 4/9/2011 at 8:36 PM, moody frog said:

Noryema VII (or VCX)

 

Was a wonderful cruising boat in the Med for two super joint-owners, secluded low depth anchorages ... if a bit "oily"

 

Now fully rebuilt in Sweden and gracing baltic waters.

 

 

 

No slouch eh !

 

Ballasted foils is just a more recent development of those very old concepts.

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1 hour ago, porthos said:

Then Ratcliffe is stupid, and I don't think Ratcliffe is stupid. If RNZYS/TNZ is being coy or somehow not sharing information reasonably with RYS Ltd/INEOS, all Jim has to do is say "fuck it, let's have a DoG match" and RNZYS/TNZ are toast.  They've already showed their hand that they are financially strapped. 

Yes, Ratcliffe is smart, yes a DoG match is a possibility,  by I doubt it's his preference, we don't know what is discussed behind closed doors. They could also both know the venue while others possible challengers don't.

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11 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Kind of, Red Rooster and Noryema, I read it all here, in SA.

 

 

Ballasted foils is just a more recent development of those very old concepts.

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 Oh yes that's older than us  .......                                                                                                                                          14th century celtic boat (replica)

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14 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Yes, Ratcliffe is smart, yes a DoG match is a possibility,  by I doubt it's his preference, we don't know what is discussed behind closed doors. They could also both know the venue while others possible challengers don't.

They could, but thats the way the AC works. Its not fair. The Defender has an advantage. Its extremely hard to win, and thats why its such an achievement when you win. 

As Peter Blake said "The biggest thrill is to be able to say we did it, when a lot of people would've said you're never gonna do it, its just impossible. Bullshit, its not impossible at all. You can make any dream happen if you work at it enough"

 

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The best way forward for Team whatevertheycallthemselvesnowadays to remain a force in their own right is to align with a powerful brand that has some resonance with their support base, and which welcomes outsiders who are attracted to the 'underdog punches above its weight' tag.

Sounds a whole lot like NZ Inc doesn't it?  And all we want in return is a boat race held in our own back yard.  In return everyone gets  free rent and TWTCTN can demonstrate to the billionaires-in-waiting that they have a LOYAL following like the Man U's, Barcelona's and Werder Bremen's that people on this site have been trying to compare 'their' team to.

ETNZ is not and will never be on a par with sporting behemoths like these.

Oh that's right, it's all because the AC is in Auckland, 12 hours away from the sport's power base.  Who in the NH wants to watch a yacht race in the middle of the night?

Yeh Nah. 

The TV audience numbers mean little because (as erudite commentators on both sides of the fence keep saying) the event hardly registers on the world stage.  There's about 1,000 of you north of the equator interested in getting out of bed for the AC.

And half of you seem to be on SA.

Just sayin'  ;-) (apologies SBD)

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Aucklands International Tennis Tournaments cancelled for the 2nd year in a row per NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/tennis-asb-classic-cancelled-for-second-straight-year/HFT33WQ7ABUGE5HZ37IGYW5BHY/

And yet they want to continue to hold the AC there. If they can't handle a bunch of International Tennis Players and their staff why should the City being allowed to host AC37.

Grant Dalton made the best move ever to put the AC37 Hosting up to the highest bidder.

Jacinda Ardern and her Clown Labor Government has to ease these Quarantine Restrictions at some Point for International Travellers if NZ ever wants to host a big International Sporting Event with Fans & Supporters coming from other Countries.

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1 hour ago, dg_sailingfan said:

Aucklands International Tennis Tournaments cancelled for the 2nd year in a row per NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/tennis-asb-classic-cancelled-for-second-straight-year/HFT33WQ7ABUGE5HZ37IGYW5BHY/

And yet they want to continue to hold the AC there. If they can't handle a bunch of International Tennis Players and their staff why should the City being allowed to host AC37.

Grant Dalton made the best move ever to put the AC37 Hosting up to the highest bidder.

Jacinda Ardern and her Clown Labor Government has to ease these Quarantine Restrictions at some Point for International Travellers if NZ ever wants to host a big International Sporting Event with Fans & Supporters coming from other Countries.

Maybe the tennis needed to learn from Dalts and demand 200 mill to run the event. Then you could bitch like a child about that instead.

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2 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

Jacinda Ardern and her Clown Labor Government has to ease these Quarantine Restrictions at some Point for International Travellers if NZ ever wants to host a big International Sporting Event with Fans & Supporters coming from other Countries.

They will, but only when they have vaccinated enough of the population to make it safe to do so. 

Why do you think the NZ government are clowns. They controlled the virus and have had one of the best economic results in the world due to controlling the virus. The people of NZ clearly don't think the government are clowns and they handed them the biggest election win since 1951. A sure fire way to lose the next election would be to open the borders too soon, although I suspect the government would be more worried about the human cost of a major outbreak, followed by the economic devastation. 

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3 hours ago, SimonN said:

They will, but only when they have vaccinated enough of the population to make it safe to do so. 

Why do you think the NZ government are clowns. They controlled the virus and have had one of the best economic results in the world due to controlling the virus. The people of NZ clearly don't think the government are clowns and they handed them the biggest election win since 1951. A sure fire way to lose the next election would be to open the borders too soon, although I suspect the government would be more worried about the human cost of a major outbreak, followed by the economic devastation. 

Interesting to see how the outside world perceives us. From inside the country I would disagree with much of this, especially the build up to the election. But this is not really the place for political discussions, they turn nasty here very quickly, so I will leave it alone.

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22 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

If only he had some currently. 

Well, you can be sure he's working hard to secure some. If anyone can, he can.

I hope he's successful.

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5 hours ago, SimonN said:

The people of NZ clearly don't think the government are clowns...

Fortunately, we don't all think alike. 

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On 7/5/2021 at 6:44 PM, Gissie said:

But this is not really the place for political discussions, they turn nasty here very quickly, so I will leave it alone.

Sage advice. I was about to make a political comment then backed out after reading yours :D

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