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It's pissing down outside and yes, we are back to Level 3. To all those moaning and bitching about it and calling the PM childish names, get a grip, we are the luckiest people in the world right

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Reading through you soft cocks talking gentlemanly regarding ethics in sporting politics makes me sick with wonder.

GD will do whatever's required to keep the cup for his sponsors and the club he's racing for. His tactics are hard, his success undeniable. Trust in his mindset until he fucks it all up and then you can all spit on his failure. 

My wonder is pity based. Pity on you fools still in here debating bullshit before the stock have eaten. 

I only poke my nose in every now and then to read what sailbtdate has to say.

We won. We choose. Fuck everyone else.

 

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22 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Nothing agains TH, but they have to change the team, and that begins with the management. BTW, their first role now is to keep the designers and find new ones.

maybe devos, penske and fauth just like to piss money down the toilet, otherwise they should have seen the deficiencies with TH and the COO (not sure where he came from) early in the program.  Penske doesn't have the reputation of losing so maybe he was just a guy giving money and not playing an active roll.  Either way if the NYYC is going again, they need more AC experience at the top calling the day to day shots.

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Why are the Italians consistently playing the "Crybaby" Card especially Francesco Bruni. When ETNZ announced INEOS as CoR they said Venue within 6 months which is excatly Sept. 17!

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On 7/8/2021 at 7:24 PM, Chobani Sailor said:

maybe devos, penske and fauth just like to piss money down the toilet

And this is in the ETNZ thread because?

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1 hour ago, Horn Rock said:

New pods up from Shirley, this time with Mike Sanderson. I know he's not from ETNZ, but he's a Kiwi, so close enough......

Well you know, he certainly seemed an ETNZ fan, you know...

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Went down to Plymouth to watch the sail gp today. Weather perfect and even enough wind. We had a high and close vantage point over the finish. Well worth the watch if you are into sailing but if you dont have an idea of how it goes it would be confusing to watch.

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 Local rag 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/americas-cup-royal-new-zealand-yacht-squadrons-desperate-attempts-to-keep-auld-mug-on-home-waters/CC7C5DFEQP2PNQXHGOAW6XGSS4/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3CtJxF94mNUax4uOscwAKVZEEv0WJytLBI9BnvZwYTQlLbVL28Jlo3BFM#Echobox=1626421790

A leaked email has revealed a last-ditch effort was made to try and raise the money required to host the next America's Cup in Auckland, despite an admittedly low chance of success.

Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron (RNZYS) commodore Aaron Young sent an email to the squadron's members this week that contained an update on efforts being made to keep the event on New Zealand shores.

Last month, Team New Zealand (TNZ) CEO Grant Dalton told a gathering of more than 400 squadron members that it was extremely unlikely that a funding agreement with the Government would be reached, after more than three months of negotiations had failed.

Now, after another month of attempts to raise at least $80m to add to a reported offer worth around $100 million from the Government and Auckland Council, Young says the campaign has failed to progress its cause.

"I have been working tirelessly for the last month with numerous people and meetings to look at every possible opportunity to raise the funds needed. We have had many worthwhile meetings, some positive outcomes and some no's. I can honestly say we have tried and continue to do so, but as of now we aren't there," Young wrote in the email.

 

He says, now, that negotiations are set to begin with offshore venues ahead of a deadline of September 17, 2021.

"Time isn't on our side... There is genuine interest internationally to support our team and host the AC37 event. As we stated at the update - the RNZYS needs our team to represent the RNZYS by conducting a successful defence and event so nothing has changed there. We continue to work closely with TNZ towards this common goal."

Team New Zealand was formed for the RNZYS's pursuit of the America's Cup in 1993 and so both parties are inextricably linked as far as the next event is concerned.

The RNZYS's final effort to keep the America's Cup in New Zealand now seems to be via fundraising directly from its members, even though the email denies such a thing.

"I have heard a few people say - 'surely we can raise the money'; 'it's only $1m from 100 members'; 'there must be a way; 'if everyone put in $1000 then we got a bit more from someone…' amongst other comments," the update begins, before an attempt to make readers feel less guilty follows at its conclusion.

 

"This isn't a request for funding from our members, but is to communicate where we are at. That being said, if you do have a genuine interest and desire to be one of those unique 100 members mentioned above, then yesterday was the time to call us!

"We don't want any of our members to look back and say we could have, would have or should have. Personally I know that I have tried very, very hard and if that isn't enough then so be it. All I ask is that you all do the same if you have the same desire."

If the money fails to be raised to support a local defence, then a string of foreign cities and countries are reported to be waiting in line to take Auckland's place.

The Irish Examiner reported in June that Cork, the Isle of Wight, China, Saudi Arabia, Valencia and Dubai have all been tipped as possible locations.

However, Dalton told the Herald in June that a final decision will most likely not be made until bang on the final deadline.

"The last time... honestly I think it was 45 minutes before we were about to sign, to agree to go somewhere else, the deal was done to stay here.

"This is not us taking the Cup away yet."

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36 minutes ago, chesirecat said:

 From NZ local rag. "I have heard a few people say" 'it's only $1m from 100 members'; 'if everyone put in $1000 then we got a bit more from someone…'

 

Hmmm, $100,000 "then a bit more from someone" for $1M. With maths like that it's no wonder they're having trouble raising the money! :lol:

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And now this

New Zealand made a loss of $156 million from hosting the America's Cup event in March.

"It also details the organisation's frustrations in working with the public sector, with some processes described as "cumbersome and time consuming". ACE said it was required to attend 32 regular meetings, "most of which were unproductive and resulted in conflicting information and instructions being delivered to ACE". "Unfortunately, due to the number of people who attended and the fact that they were led by Auckland Unlimited who was not responsible for delivering the event, they became very unproductive, and required outcomes were not able to be achieved."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/447287/america-s-cup-new-zealand-made-156m-loss-on-hosting-event?fbclid=IwAR1NCkyVF1uktwinI3HlAKKuzs93VNAc-oo8CDD2x2U32DUPbOsfSLevChw

 

And the review itself

https://www.americascup.com/files/m5301_Americas-Cup-Event-Limited-Final-Event-Report_FA_2.pdf

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33 minutes ago, chesirecat said:

And now this

New Zealand made a loss of $156 million from hosting the America's Cup event in March.

"It also details the organisation's frustrations in working with the public sector, with some processes described as "cumbersome and time consuming". ACE said it was required to attend 32 regular meetings, "most of which were unproductive and resulted in conflicting information and instructions being delivered to ACE". "Unfortunately, due to the number of people who attended and the fact that they were led by Auckland Unlimited who was not responsible for delivering the event, they became very unproductive, and required outcomes were not able to be achieved."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/447287/america-s-cup-new-zealand-made-156m-loss-on-hosting-event?fbclid=IwAR1NCkyVF1uktwinI3HlAKKuzs93VNAc-oo8CDD2x2U32DUPbOsfSLevChw

 

And the review itself

https://www.americascup.com/files/m5301_Americas-Cup-Event-Limited-Final-Event-Report_FA_2.pdf

Just evidence of a Labour government using media spin to justify not helping TNZ 

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If RNZYS pulls this off, it's a bit back to the roots, syndicate and all. But then RNZYS should have a close look at the salaries of the people that are funded. It must be rather frustrating giving your more or less hard earned bucks away for some chap to buy the next bach on Waiheke Island. 

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8 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Most businesses are running at a loss due to the closed borders.

INEOS isn’t ;-) 

still you don’t need any billionaires as your teams  funding is all a ok.. 

 

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If the money fails to be raised to support a local defence, then a string of foreign cities and countries are reported to be waiting in line to take Auckland's place.

The Irish Examiner reported in June that Cork, the Isle of Wight, China, Saudi Arabia, Valencia and Dubai have all been tipped as possible locations.

Wonder if the 500M$ offer from Rome Fiumicino for AC33 is still valid, too :rolleyes:.

My, these guys are hopeless as carpetbaggers.

The solution is simple: make do with the government funding, simplify the Rule, refurbish Te Rehutai and concentrate spending on foils and electronics

 

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13 hours ago, chesirecat said:

And now this

New Zealand made a loss of $156 million from hosting the America's Cup event in March.

"It also details the organisation's frustrations in working with the public sector, with some processes described as "cumbersome and time consuming". ACE said it was required to attend 32 regular meetings, "most of which were unproductive and resulted in conflicting information and instructions being delivered to ACE". "Unfortunately, due to the number of people who attended and the fact that they were led by Auckland Unlimited who was not responsible for delivering the event, they became very unproductive, and required outcomes were not able to be achieved."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/447287/america-s-cup-new-zealand-made-156m-loss-on-hosting-event?fbclid=IwAR1NCkyVF1uktwinI3HlAKKuzs93VNAc-oo8CDD2x2U32DUPbOsfSLevChw

 

And the review itself

https://www.americascup.com/files/m5301_Americas-Cup-Event-Limited-Final-Event-Report_FA_2.pdf

Free money isn't free? Whiny fucking beggars.

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3 hours ago, Xlot said:

Wonder if the 500M$ offer from Rome Fiumicino for AC33 is still valid, too :rolleyes:.

My, these guys are hopeless as carpetbaggers.

The solution is simple: make do with the government funding, simplify the Rule, refurbish Te Rehutai and concentrate spending on foils and electronics

 

Still hard to believe they can't run a 33 race regatta on 100 million gift from the taxpayer. 

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https://www.sail-world.com/news/239726/Americas-Cup-organisers-happy-with-Event-outcome?fbclid=IwAR2JHQ7jAf2fb3zkzbJJdzezqNFF8dtmSjGJCkYHd5vfZkycdzC9nk5IjdA

America's Cup: Dalton pleased with outcome of massively compromised event

America’s Cup Event CEO Grant Dalton said, “Under the circumstances we are really pleased with the cost benefit analysis announced today. To have a cost benefit ratio of 0.85 for Auckland on an event that was massively compromised because of COVID-19 and the closed borders to international visitors, international media and superyachts.

Certainly the world changed significantly since we won the America’s Cup in 2017, and essentially the entire organisation of the event was flipped on its head one year out so even just the fact we managed to achieve putting on a successful major global sporting event in Auckland, while the majority of the world was locked down was a huge achievement.”

At the end of the report the Challenger of Record Luna Rossa and Event sponsor Prada comment on their relationship with the 36th America's Cup saying they did not feel that "COR and ACE were rarely in the same waka (boat). They called for a direct line between the COR, the Hosts (NZ Govt) and City would have been "very helpful indeed". And further "the treatment of COR by Panuku in relation to the AMG structures on Halsey Wharf left a sour taste in the mouths of COR"

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3 hours ago, Xlot said:

Wonder if the 500M$ offer from Rome Fiumicino for AC33 is still valid, too :rolleyes:.

My, these guys are hopeless as carpetbaggers.

The solution is simple: make do with the government funding, simplify the Rule, refurbish Te Rehutai and concentrate spending on foils and electronics

 

Why should Team NZ "Make do with the government funding" when they may be in a position to do more than "Make do"

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, pusslicker said:

Still hard to believe they can't run a 33 race regatta on 100 million gift from the taxpayer. 

Didn’t you hear? After fees, Grants wine cellar and his new fishing cat it only left them with 5 bucks so no wonder the poor guys rejected it.. 

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15 hours ago, mako23 said:

Just evidence of a Labour government using media spin to justify not helping TNZ 

A billionaires pissing match receiving social welfare funding is a sick joke.

As a card carrying Kiwi I would much rather see the appalling youth suicide rate which sadly here in Aotearoa we lead the world in deaths receive the public taxpayer funding that the baby bombing Emirates backed TNZ seek.

 

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18 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

...RNZYS should have a close look at the salaries of the people that are funded.

Indeed. Just as any interested Billionaire (like Sir James, or Ernesto) will be looking closely at what can be offered  to entice those same, 'people who are funded'.  Just sayin.

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So Stars + Stripes is now the NYYC representative for AC37. What that means for American Magic, no one knows. Maybe they'll ride off into the sunset, or maybe they may move the entire operation to Pensacola where they spent a fair chunk of time training.

But if the rumours are true, and Alinghi are in for the next Cup, thats 2 strong teams to add to the current group.

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41 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

So Stars + Stripes is now the NYYC representative for AC37. What that means for American Magic, no one knows. Maybe they'll ride off into the sunset, or maybe they may move the entire operation to Pensacola where they spent a fair chunk of time training.

But if the rumours are true, and Alinghi are in for the next Cup, thats 2 strong teams to add to the current group.

Wrong thread, not that you give a fuck 

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6 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Wrong thread, not that you give a fuck 

Right thread, right forum. Emirates Team NZ are the Americas Cup defender. They organise the event.

Not that you give a fuck

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On 7/21/2021 at 8:36 AM, Priscilla said:

A billionaires pissing match receiving social welfare funding is a sick joke.

As a card carrying Kiwi I would much rather see the appalling youth suicide rate which sadly here in Aotearoa we lead the world in deaths receive the public taxpayer funding that the baby bombing Emirates backed TNZ seek.

 

When you live outside of New Zealand you find that our country doesn’t have a great reputation for technology.  The backward sheep farmer image still remains. I think the real value for NZ is that TNZ helps change this image. This is useful for our exporters in the high tech game. I see TNZ as a branding exercise for our fair country. 
 

the better our exports the better govt revenue which then can spent on youth suicide.

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1 hour ago, mako23 said:

When you live outside of New Zealand you find that our country doesn’t have a great reputation for technology.  The backward sheep farmer image still remains. I think the real value for NZ is that TNZ helps change this image. This is useful for our exporters in the high tech game. I see TNZ as a branding exercise for our fair country. 
 

the better our exports the better govt revenue which then can spent on youth suicide.

Both NZ and AUS actually have some tech advantages as well as disadvantages such as distance. Being more remote from tech hubs inspires innovative thinking, although many successful ideas get gobbled up by big companies.

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3 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Right thread, right forum. Emirates Team NZ are the Americas Cup defender. They organise the event.

Not that you give a fuck

Stars n stripes thread?

NYYC thread? 

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2 hours ago, MaxHugen said:

Both NZ and AUS actually have some tech advantages as well as disadvantages such as distance. Being more remote from tech hubs inspires innovative thinking, although many successful ideas get gobbled up by big companies.

What a load of bulldust. The technology leaders of the AC are in New Zealand. 

Emirates Team New Zealand are a technology company. Dalts has said this many times and I believe it. 

America, is fast becoming a faded and forgotten former technology leader. England is fading too. Both are only in this thing because bored billionaires need something other than hookers and blow to get their cocks hard. 

China, Korea and northern European countries are more likely to emerge as a real threat in the next few rounds. 

And yeah, we won the thing again because we're better at it. 

 

 

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Sure TNZ are the technology leaders in the AC.  But sadly it seems like dominating that niche market isn't helping them afford defending at home. 

US, England, China, Korea & EU corporate tech development and serious money is better spent on tapping into the larger world wide market, not an elite sailing event for the ultra rich. 

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14 hours ago, mako23 said:

When you live outside of New Zealand you find that our country doesn’t have a great reputation for technology.  The backward sheep farmer image still remains. I think the real value for NZ is that TNZ helps change this image. This is useful for our exporters in the high tech game. I see TNZ as a branding exercise for our fair country. 
 

the better our exports the better govt revenue which then can spent on youth suicide.

Mako whilst there is some truth in what you say regarding our sheep shagging reputation remember he that lieth down with dogs like the baby bombing Emirates shall rise up with fleas.

Daltons Dandies that pushed the mantra of ‘if we cut ourselves we bleed Kiwi’ is no longer relevant more like ‘he who has the most dollars wins’ which is counter cultural to what TNZ stood for.

Affordable and accessible was the TNZ sales and marketing for AC36 what it produced was the most expensive AC class of all time and no future local fan access apart from those sheep shaggers that are living offshore.

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Salty Seacock said:

What a load of bulldust. The technology leaders of the AC are in New Zealand. 

Emirates Team New Zealand are a technology company. Dalts has said this many times and I believe it. 

America, is fast becoming a faded and forgotten former technology leader. England is fading too. Both are only in this thing because bored billionaires need something other than hookers and blow to get their cocks hard. 

China, Korea and northern European countries are more likely to emerge as a real threat in the next few rounds. 

And yeah, we won the thing again because we're better at it. 

 

 

Our home grown brilliance must be why so many of our design team are foreigners. :lol:

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6 hours ago, Gissie said:

Our home grown brilliance must be why so many of our design team are foreigners. :lol:

Our home grown brilliance is the reason foreigners want to work here instead of other teams.

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33 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Can't be. They obviously don't have much of it or they wouldn't have to go offshore to find it.

Considering Dalts was concerned about the team being raided without having cash on hand, it would seem it is quite important.

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9 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Considering Dalts was concerned about the team being raided without having cash on hand, it would seem it is quite important.

So if its not about money, there must be a reason they would stay with a team short on cash, when there are other teams with cash to burn who spare no expense.

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13 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

So if its not about money, there must be a reason they would stay with a team short on cash, when there are other teams with cash to burn who spare no expense.

For fucks sake. The sailors can't leave because of the new nationality clause. The design team is foreign, so no such clause. The team has enough to keep them happy until the event is auctioned off.

If it was all about people willing to work for fuck all just to be with 'the team' they could run it on the offered 99 mill.

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2 minutes ago, Gissie said:

For fucks sake. The sailors can't leave because of the new nationality clause. The design team is foreign, so no such clause. The team has enough to keep them happy until the event is auctioned off.

If it was all about people willing to work for fuck all just to be with 'the team' they could run it on the offered 99 mill.

Bullshit. The sailors stay because its where they want to be. The Nationality rules didn't exist last time, or in Bermuda and still guys like Burling and Tuke stuck around while taking a massive pay cut.

The 99 mil is fake news.

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26 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Bullshit. The sailors stay because its where they want to be. The Nationality rules didn't exist last time, or in Bermuda and still guys like Burling and Tuke stuck around while taking a massive pay cut.

The 99 mil is fake news.

Dalts went on about not having the money to keep the team together. Good to know you know more than him, maybe give him a call and let him know where he is going wrong.

 

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28 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Dalts went on about not having the money to keep the team together. Good to know you know more than him, maybe give him a call and let him know where he is going wrong.

 

The design team is on retainers. No doubt there are higher offers being thrown around. Its the rest of the team that is fair game. Obviously there isn't enough money to keep 100 plus people employed to do nothing, which is why the sailing team is off earning a paycheck from Russell and Larry.

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13 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

The design team is on retainers. No doubt there are higher offers being thrown around. Its the rest of the team that is fair game. Obviously there isn't enough money to keep 100 plus people employed to do nothing, which is why the sailing team is off earning a paycheck from Russell and Larry.

Whatever, hard to discuss with the one-eyed Mr Positive.

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40 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

You mean hard to dispute the facts.

So Dalts cried poor me, we need cash to keep the team together. Got some.

Designers, foreign, went on retainer to keep them.

Sailors unable to move due to nationality rules, so no retainer for them.

Not enough money to run a team where all the staff will do it for just the honour of working for the best team ever, so auction it off for money not needed.

Yeah right.

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Speaking of retainers.

Emirates Team NZ building hydrogen powered chase boats for Cup Defence (sail-world.com)

Makes one wonder how much AC defense funding was/is being spent on marine industry commercial endeavors......  Hopefully the NZ govt and taxpayers can recoup their investment if/when these are sold.What is the best emoji or emoticon to convey sarcasm? - Quora

Maybe >200M really isn't enough for all defense costs...

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7 hours ago, yoyo said:

Speaking of retainers.

Emirates Team NZ building hydrogen powered chase boats for Cup Defence (sail-world.com)

Makes one wonder how much AC defense funding was/is being spent on marine industry commercial endeavors......  Hopefully the NZ govt and taxpayers can recoup their investment if/when these are sold.What is the best emoji or emoticon to convey sarcasm? - Quora

Maybe >200M really isn't enough for all defense costs...

Love the 'green' hydrogen bullshit. We are importing more than 1 million tonnes of shitty coal from Indonesia to generate electricity. The very electricity that will generate the hydrogen for the green boat to burn.

Maybe this is the real reason to go offshore, find a country that can supply hydrogen that doesn't need coal to supply it. :lol:

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14 hours ago, Gissie said:

So Dalts cried poor me, we need cash to keep the team together. Got some.

Designers, foreign, went on retainer to keep them.

Sailors unable to move due to nationality rules, so no retainer for them.

Not enough money to run a team where all the staff will do it for just the honour of working for the best team ever, so auction it off for money not needed.

Yeah right.

It is what it is. No one is “crying poor”. If they were poor, theyd be desperate. If they were desperate, they would have accepted the Govt offer. They didnt. 
Contracts expire when the cycle ends. Critical members (design team) are kept on retainer to avoid them being poached by other teams. 

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32 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

It is what it is. No one is “crying poor”. If they were poor, theyd be desperate. If they were desperate, they would have accepted the Govt offer. They didnt. 
Contracts expire when the cycle ends. Critical members (design team) are kept on retainer to avoid them being poached by other teams. 

You have that the wrong way round. If they weren't desperate they would have accepted the government off.

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On 7/26/2021 at 2:04 AM, yoyo said:

Speaking of retainers.

Emirates Team NZ building hydrogen powered chase boats for Cup Defence (sail-world.com)

Makes one wonder how much AC defense funding was/is being spent on marine industry commercial endeavors......  Hopefully the NZ govt and taxpayers can recoup their investment if/when these are sold.What is the best emoji or emoticon to convey sarcasm? - Quora

Maybe >200M really isn't enough for all defense costs...

Seems a bit of money getting behind the hydrogen production... 

Heaps of "free" electricity once that aluminium smelter stops getting prop ups and closes.

Contact and Meridian seek partners to investigate world's largest green hydrogen plant

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4 hours ago, barfy said:

Seems a bit of money getting behind the hydrogen production... 

Heaps of "free" electricity once that aluminium smelter stops getting prop ups and closes.

Contact and Meridian seek partners to investigate world's largest green hydrogen plant

Once e we have millions of electric cars and trucks and no more gas boilers for industry there is unlikely to be any left for a hydrogen export system.

Unless we just keep importing dirty coal from Indonesia...

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On 7/26/2021 at 2:04 AM, yoyo said:

Speaking of retainers.

Emirates Team NZ building hydrogen powered chase boats for Cup Defence (sail-world.com)

Makes one wonder how much AC defense funding was/is being spent on marine industry commercial endeavors......  Hopefully the NZ govt and taxpayers can recoup their investment if/when these are sold.What is the best emoji or emoticon to convey sarcasm? - Quora

Maybe >200M really isn't enough for all defense costs...

No shit. What about all the small players that supported ETNZ to win the AC? I think they would be pretty pissed that the stuff given free for the AC is now being used for other commercial endeavours. It's not just the local and central Government that'll be looking at Dalts and wondering WTF is going on over there. 

Bank on this, New Zealand will turn it's back on this team very fast if Dalts takes the circus offshore. I doubt many would approve of the name 'Emirates Team New Zealand' being used either. 

The whole team would be seen as just another bunch of cunts that sold out to the dollar and turned their back on the country that paid and supported them to the lofty level they now enjoy. 

Professional sport arguments aside, how the fuck is it a New Zealand team if they're based in Timbuktu with all but a few base and sail crew actually having been born in Godzone?

FFS Dalts, open your eyes and stop being such a greedy little cunt. 

The Board should act and kick the old prick to the curb. 

Fuck it. 

 

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7 hours ago, barfy said:

Seems a bit of money getting behind the hydrogen production... 

Heaps of "free" electricity once that aluminium smelter stops getting prop ups and closes.

Contact and Meridian seek partners to investigate world's largest green hydrogen plant

Ineos are supporting ETNZ chase boat thing as well. They are into hydrogen manufacture and their Grenadier has provisions for a hydrogen engine at some stage.

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There is a big difference between INEOS supporting the chase boat fuckery And that INEOS  happen to be one of the largest producers of hydrogen as a byproduct of one of their engineering plants. 
 

If they’re doing anything with the hydrogen excess it’ll be going in their vehicles and their partnership with Kia automotive not some kiwi vanity project.  

 

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14 hours ago, Salty Seacock said:

Bank on this, New Zealand will turn it's back on this team very fast if Dalts takes the circus offshore. I doubt many would approve of the name 'Emirates Team New Zealand' being used either.

^ This. I think Dalts etc are misjudging Kiwis if he thinks they will continue to support a team that turns down 99 million to run a regatta. I think the result of him leaving will make the cry of traitor to Coutts and gang seem like a playground spat.

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I think Dalts knows the NZ public. The public ALWAYS, ALWAYS turns its back on Team NZ every cycle, but that only lasts as long as the quiet period in between racing. If the boats and teams were racing now, the NZ public wouldn't be as frosty as they are toward the team. The problem is, the AC goes quiet after every cycle finishes, and that opens up the opportunity for the media and certain public groups to air their dirty laundry and appeal to the same group of people that come out of the woodwork every few years when there's no racing to watch. That all goes away when the racing starts. For about a month or 2, that rhetoric is replaced by "TEAM NZ". It happens all the time. Dalts has been through it many times, and it happens the same way every time. In the 2 or so years in between racing cycles, Team NZ is public enemy no.1. But as soon as the racing starts, the country gets behind the team.

Hell, even after they took 36 mil of Government contribution, then gave up an 8-1 lead and lost, they got this:

This cycle will be no different. Its the way NZ is.

Dalts knows this.

The haters club is in full flight now, like they are every cycle, but In 3 years time, this entire situation will be a distant memory.

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On 7/27/2021 at 7:31 PM, Salty Seacock said:

Bank on this, New Zealand will turn it's back on this team very fast if Dalts takes the circus offshore.

Wrong. And I thought you actually had a handle on all this. That means we're even, Salty. ;-)

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The NZ public has never turned its back on ETNZ. Does it almost forget about them, certainly, just like SA AC goes quiet. For several years there is nothing going on that is of interest to most people. It is once the first boat gets launched, then supporters rouse themselves and start taking an interest.

Then the media get involved, which wakes up those that really only want to see the racing. This is the majority of the NZ supporters,but they support the team because of promises made. This is either we will win and bring the cup home, or we will defend and keep the cup in NZ.

Neither of those promises are being made, in fact on of them is being broken. I know there are some hard core fans that believe it will make no difference, I disagree. Kiwis feel the team is leaving for a higher paypacket. That after the country has supported them through good and bad, we are told to fuck off for not giving them shit loads of money. That we should believe their bullshit promises, bend over, grasp the ankles and let Dalts fuck us senseless. 

I have found none that think it a good move. None that think they should keep the name once gone. None that will support them in the future. Most will support Prada if they compete. The world has changed somewhat due to this virus. NZ has problems that people are wanting dealt with, giving in to the avaricious demand of a professional sports team is not on the agenda. Had he accepted the 99 mill graciously, there would have been some moaning, but general acceptance. Turning it down, with a demand off 200 Mill, has come across as spoilt and demanding. Dalts has got it wrong.

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1 hour ago, Gissie said:

Had he accepted the 99 mill graciously, there would have been some moaning, but general acceptance.

Until the inevitable Defence failure - then the usual ignominy and accompanying moaning and bitching.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Until the inevitable Defence failure - then the usual ignominy and accompanying moaning and bitching.

 

 

The money was meant to cover the cost of running the event, not team costs. So in theory it should have made no real difference to their ability to defend.

But, yes, likely a bit of bitching and moaning. Then, like last time they lost, the public would be behind them to give it another shot.

Now, only the very few like yourself, will give a flying fuck about them. Win or lose, no fucks given.

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3 hours ago, Gissie said:

The NZ public has never turned its back on ETNZ. Does it almost forget about them, certainly, just like SA AC goes quiet. For several years there is nothing going on that is of interest to most people. It is once the first boat gets launched, then supporters rouse themselves and start taking an interest.

Then the media get involved, which wakes up those that really only want to see the racing. This is the majority of the NZ supporters,but they support the team because of promises made. This is either we will win and bring the cup home, or we will defend and keep the cup in NZ.

Neither of those promises are being made, in fact on of them is being broken. I know there are some hard core fans that believe it will make no difference, I disagree. Kiwis feel the team is leaving for a higher paypacket. That after the country has supported them through good and bad, we are told to fuck off for not giving them shit loads of money. That we should believe their bullshit promises, bend over, grasp the ankles and let Dalts fuck us senseless. 

I have found none that think it a good move. None that think they should keep the name once gone. None that will support them in the future. Most will support Prada if they compete. The world has changed somewhat due to this virus. NZ has problems that people are wanting dealt with, giving in to the avaricious demand of a professional sports team is not on the agenda. Had he accepted the 99 mill graciously, there would have been some moaning, but general acceptance. Turning it down, with a demand off 200 Mill, has come across as spoilt and demanding. Dalts has got it wrong.

Actually you've been told to fuck off after offering shit loads of money. Still can't understand how they can't run a couple week long 30 race regatta on a 100 mill.

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8 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

Actually you've been told to fuck off after offering shit loads of money. Still can't understand how they can't run a couple week long 30 race regatta on a 100 mill.

Someone made the point above somewhere, that ETNZ has a history of showing up only shortly before the regatta in whatever venue. That was certainly true of both SF and Bermuda. It makes me wonder if they will dictate in the AC37 Protocol that teams (and which ones..) will be required to spend a bunch of months or years in whatever the next venue is, as part of the money-making deal. Would be a touch hypocritical.. 

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27 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Someone made the point above somewhere, that ETNZ has a history of showing up only shortly before the regatta in whatever venue. That was certainly true of both SF and Bermuda. It makes me wonder if they will dictate in the AC37 Protocol that teams (and which ones..) will be required to spend a bunch of months or years in whatever the next venue is, as part of the money-making deal. Would be a touch hypocritical.. 

Hypocritical is what they do best.

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No, European cities want to host the cup.  Not throw money at Grant. 
 

rather sad that no one wants to throw money at them in NZ though. Shows how far the affections have waned for Grant and the direction he has taken
 

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12 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

No, European cities want to host the cup.  Not throw money at Grant. 
 

rather sad that no one wants to throw money at them in NZ though. Shows how far the affections have waned for Grant and the direction he has taken
 

Thats what happens when the world is gripped by a global pandemic.

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30 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Obviously they are, which is why European cities are throwing money at them. 

Really, got a list of all these cities throwing money at them?

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