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It's pissing down outside and yes, we are back to Level 3. To all those moaning and bitching about it and calling the PM childish names, get a grip, we are the luckiest people in the world right

After many hours of consideration, a lot of in-depth research on the SA technical threads, extensive computational modelling and a few quick & dirty minutes in Photoshop, I have produced this anal

Yes, quite light but I didn't see all the afternoon's sailing, can only comment on later in the day, when Britannia 2 was running a #1 jib and foiling around no problem. They look quite quick at times

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8 minutes ago, breezie said:

HAH we fooled them all and went and built a catamaran !

Gonna be interesting if they capsize this beast. Wonder how big the drains are on those cockpits?

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3 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

utside the box’ as in ‘cheating the rules’ by implementing an actual Herbie, so that sailors didn’t have to think for themselves? 
 

Oh, don't you start with herbie you fucking revisionist Muppet

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9 hours ago, erdb said:

Seems it's going to be hard to switch sides. Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that Nathan Outteridge has been secretly on the team roster all along as a second helmsman?

Why were Nate and Slingsby passed up this cycle? Larry ellison got his only two good helmsmen signing noncompetes? Or did they just want to give the old dogs a chance?

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1 hour ago, trt131 said:

Not a lot of piloting skills with a drone.  The onboard "Herbie" does all the flying with the operator just aiming it.  Still it looks pretty cool.

That's honestly not true with fpv drones. There is no self stabilization on during the flight I posted. That's all my thumbs. If you let go of the sticks it will just keep flying at whatever pitch you had it at and crash. 

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The boat looks awesome.

Only disappointment is it looks like a hybrid of the others.  I was hoping for some radical idea none of the others had thought of.  But perhaps I just haven't enough information yet e.g. the new floor instead of a deck.  That should be interesting.

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Told you they'd copy INEOS......told you the rules would dictate the design and that it wouldn't be aesthetic......basically every INEOS design conclusion reached by a team that had 1 year more design time, stacked the desk re wind limits confirmation etc etc...….what a joke.....next..  

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11 minutes ago, astro said:

The boat looks awesome.

Only disappointment is it looks like a hybrid of the others.  I was hoping for some radical idea none of the others had thought of.  But perhaps I just haven't enough information yet e.g. the new floor instead of a deck.  That should be interesting.

I would say the solution for limiting drag made by the crew is different to the others. But yes, it does appear like a collection of other ideas. Hard to know who is copying who, or, the designers came to their own conclusions in their own right.

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Just now, D_Dog said:

I would say the solution for limiting drag made by the crew is different to the others.

All the teams will have tried to get the floor as low as possible, so add an aero fairing and you're there, with equal/similar front area.

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1 minute ago, FinnFish said:

Yeah obviously, they laid eyes on B2, copied and built it all in four weeks. 

Point is we were all told over and over how brilliant and radical the kiwi design was going to be......but it wasn't/isn't, its a knockoff pastiche...…...it'll still be a rocket because the design decisions are sound i.e. I'm super happy to see the kiwis reaching the same conclusions as INEOS.....also, Kiwi control systems are going to be spot on, because they've saved so much time on hull design.  

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8 minutes ago, Chris UK said:

Told you they'd copy INEOS......told you the rules would dictate the design and that it wouldn't be aesthetic......basically every INEOS design conclusion reached by a team that had 1 year more design time, stacked the desk re wind limits confirmation etc etc...….what a joke.....next..  

You seem bitter :mellow:

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6 minutes ago, Chris UK said:

Point is we were all told over and over how brilliant and radical the kiwi design was going to be......but it wasn't/isn't, its a knockoff pastiche...…...it'll still be a rocket because the design decisions are sound i.e. I'm super happy to see the kiwis reaching the same conclusions as INEOS.....also, Kiwi control systems are going to be spot on, because they've saved so much time on hull design.  

It does makes INEOS B2 look rather agricultural and unfinished. But if LR blow GBR away NZL B1 might just get a re-run.

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One biggie seems to be crew switch. That doesn't look like a quick (or safe) switch is planned. Like wing walking.Either 2 helms or they have a rabbit hole to cross under the deck. If no switch then what does the leeward skipper do? ETNZ seem to have specialised GA to sail control and PB to driving previously. 

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10 minutes ago, Chris UK said:

Point is we were all told over and over how brilliant and radical the kiwi design was going to be......but it wasn't/isn't, its a knockoff pastiche...…...it'll still be a rocket because the design decisions are sound i.e. I'm super happy to see the kiwis reaching the same conclusions as INEOS.....also, Kiwi control systems are going to be spot on, because they've saved so much time on hull design.  

Britannia 2 is a knock off of Te Aihe.

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6 hours ago, Forourselves said:

What will be funny is when she blows past Britannia 2! 
Say what you want but she is merely an evolution of Te Kahu.What’s funny is how most teams went from radical shapes back more toward Te Aihe while ETNZ stepped on with a new radical shape.

So it borrows NOTHING from any of the previously seen designs is what you are saying?.... 

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2 hours ago, trt131 said:

What really surprises me is the number of KIWI fanbois that rubbished the other boats as being ugly, particularly the Poms, but now are saying ETNZ B2 great, fast and unique.  Where can i buy those rose-coloured glasses.

You dont buy them they are only acquired by birthright.

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15 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

One biggie seems to be crew switch. That doesn't look like a quick (or safe) switch is planned. Like wing walking.Either 2 helms or they have a rabbit hole to cross under the deck. If no switch then what does the leeward skipper do? ETNZ seem to have specialised GA to sail control and PB to driving previously. 

Probably tactician. It will be an interesting crew selection process. Ainslie has a helmsman, mainsail trimmer, a pilot. Maybe the pilot flies the boat while the helmsman focuses on boat speed. ETNZ has the obvious, Burling, Tuke and Ashby, but also guys like Josh Junior, Andy Maloney and even Ray Davies, who may end up being coach again, although Davies is backup helmsman. All outstanding sailors in their own right. Will they be simply grinders? They have a few big grinders as well, so maybe spoilt for choice?

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2 hours ago, trt131 said:

What really surprises me is the number of KIWI fanbois that rubbished the other boats as being ugly, particularly the Poms, but now are saying ETNZ B2 great, fast and unique.  Where can i buy those rose-coloured glasses.

You mean like people rubbishing bikes and simulators last time? Rubbishing the team for not training with the rest of the group in Bermuda? Rubbishing their hand me down training platform because it was too old to be of any use? 

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1 hour ago, WakaNZ said:

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Well from that angle it’s the back end of Ineos B1 and the front half of AM b1.. not its most flattering of angles. 
 

Deck isn’t lowered though it’s the sides that are high.

given tekahu had crew pods it’s not such a shock this does. The fairings down the sides of the crew pods can be added in on other boats too, ineos certainly and I think AM should it prove beneficial/in the pipeline 

prada, now way out on their own aero and concept wise 

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14 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

Interesting, and not visible here, were a series of flaps in the underside of the hull. 4 close together below each cockpit and 2-3 additional flaps back where you’d expect the helm. Clearly drainage. 

We're going to need good cockpit drainage, it if the boys capsize, that's for sure.

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On 9/17/2020 at 10:04 AM, weta27 said:

Thanks Stingray, that was the other pic I was talking about

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So, here’s that photo that was posted, then removed by ETNZ from their social feeds. Many came to the conclusion that it was a pic of B2’s gunwhale. It’s obviously not. Were we being played? 

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17 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Probably tactician. It will be an interesting crew selection process. Ainslie has a helmsman, mainsail trimmer, a pilot. Maybe the pilot flies the boat while the helmsman focuses on boat speed. ETNZ has the obvious, Burling, Tuke and Ashby, but also guys like Josh Junior, Andy Maloney and even Ray Davies, who may end up being coach again, although Davies is backup helmsman. All outstanding sailors in their own right. Will they be simply grinders? They have a few big grinders as well, so maybe spoilt for choice?

Who was the other bloke driving tekahu? 
that had two helm/drivers

my guess is split duty’s and no side swap 

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48 minutes ago, Chris UK said:

All the teams will have tried to get the floor as low as possible, so add an aero fairing and you're there, with equal/similar front area.

Boats dont have floors you stand on, they have decks.  Floors are athawtship members that support the keel.

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Just now, JALhazmat said:

You see nothing conceptually that has been on another boat? 
fuck I know you guys have a hard buy in for the team but still. 

I see plenty of things that have been on other boats. A bow, a stern, a couple of foils and foil arms, a keel... makes sense that a boat would need all of those things.

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Just now, Forourselves said:

I see plenty of things that have been on other boats. A bow, a stern, a couple of foils and foil arms, a keel... makes sense that a boat would need all of those things.

High sided like ineos b1?

square flat stern? To name two. 
seen those anywhere before? because literally everyone else has, 

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Just now, JALhazmat said:

High sided like ineos b1?

square flat stern? To name two. 
seen those anywhere before? because literally everyone else has, 

Ineos B1 had trenches and a deck divider, not crew pods, the stern of Ineos did not taper down like this one does, no bustle, just a glue on keel that tapered off half way down the hull, and a completely different bow shape. 

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14 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Well from that angle it’s the back end of Ineos B1 and the front half of AM b1.. not its most flattering of angles. 
 

Deck isn’t lowered though it’s the sides that are high.

given tekahu had crew pods it’s not such a shock this does. The fairings down the sides of the crew pods can be added in on other boats too, ineos certainly and I think AM should it prove beneficial/in the pipeline 

prada, now way out on their own aero and concept wise 

100% agree. Copy of Ineos B1 and AM B1, with easy to add aero features. Also copy of Ineos B2 underbody, which is an extrapolation of Ineos B1s skeg...…….Hilarious to read the turn coating, u-turning going on.

PS, if at any time today you feel a sudden unexplained force 5 gust of wind, that's the aftershock of the collective exhalation of held breath by the INEOS design team......that has just had all of its design tools validated!!!

 

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4 minutes ago, Chris UK said:

100% agree. Copy of Ineos B1 and AM B1, with easy to add aero features. Also copy of Ineos B2 underbody, which is an extrapolation of Ineos B1s skeg...…….Hilarious to read the turn coating, u-turning going on.

PS, if at any time today you feel a sudden unexplained force 5 gust of wind, that's the aftershock of the collective exhalation of held breath by the INEOS design team......that has just had all of its design tools validated!!!

 

And then discarded

Scow shapes to skiff shapes, no bustle to bustle, so who copied who again?

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7 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Ineos B1 had trenches and a deck divider, not crew pods, the stern of Ineos did not taper down like this one does, no bustle, just a glue on keel that tapered off half way down the hull, and a completely different bow shape. 

How did it have its trenches? The really big high sides that hid the crew, NZ have followed that concept and enclosed them.

Ineos turned away from it, NZ went towards it.

The question for each team is why? 

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4 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

How did it have its trenches? The really big high sides that hid the crew, NZ have followed that concept and enclosed them.

Ineos turned away from it, NZ went towards it.

The question for each team is why? 

Ineos B1 had trenches just as every other B2 has them. Te Kahu had cockpits, more like what was seen on the AC50s. The bow is also very similar to the shape of Te Kahus bow. B2 is more similar to Te Kahu in more ways than it is Ineos B1

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18 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Who was the other bloke driving tekahu? 
that had two helm/drivers

my guess is split duty’s and no side swap 

GA has grabbed the wheel on occasions in the past, only uses one hand... other hand could keep trimming the main

Does Pete need to steer from windward all the time? 

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15 minutes ago, Chris UK said:

Those foils are a concern. Were always being told how long the lead times are on them, but they look pretty straight forward, i.e. too easily copied to be the final race versions.....

They’re old.  We won’t see the good ones until its too late.

 

Not a lot of chat about the fairings extending waterline length here though.

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Nobody has said anything about the mast step post. Moth sailors will be smiling. They haven't raised the sides and they haven't lowered the rig. The mast step is as the same height as the other boats, but they have radically lowered the deck all through the length. In their clip they show the mainsail not touching the deck, but I'm guessing they'll add a deeper skirt to get back down to the new lower deck height.

Also note that the crane lifts the boat from two points much further forward thatn the usual running backstay turning blocks. I guess the runners will be there as well.

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