Raz'r 5,217 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Latest in the press is that Kabul may fall in the next 30 days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sol Rosenberg 10,221 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Just now, Raz'r said: Latest in the press is that Kabul may fall in the next 30 days. I'd be surprised if it took that long. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 On 8/9/2021 at 12:01 AM, AJ Oliver said: The question is, what are you going to do about it ?? Do you think it will happen all by itself ?? Vets For Peace does not. (Not to say that I have all, or even very many, of the answers . . . but I can say that I tried) You are only puffing and huffing. You can say you tried but others will point out you can't actually eat pie in the sky. You've only fooled your self. No one else is dumb enough to think you've accomplished jack shit, Ollie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,549 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said: I'd be surprised if it took that long. US official: US troops to help evacuate embassy in Kabul https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/08/12/us-keeping-distance-as-afghan-forces-face-taliban-rout/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Meanwhile, 2,442 U.S. troops have been killed and 20,666 wounded in the war since 2001, according to the Defense Department. It’s estimated that over 3,800 U.S. private security contractors have been killed. ... The U.S. has spent a stunning total of $2.26 trillion on a dizzying array of expenses, according to the Costs of War project. Unlike with other conflicts in American history, the U.S. borrowed heavily to fund the war in Afghanistan and has paid some $530 billion in interest ... Much of the billions lavished on huge infrastructure projects went to waste, the U.S. inspector general discovered. https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-04-30/counting-the-costs-of-americas-20-year-war-in-afghanistan And for what? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 4,359 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 For what? Well, this and the Iraq invasion shook me out of my political apathy. That's all I got. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Point Jack 291 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 I dream how different it would be if the people I voted for would have won. Mc Govern over Nixon-No Watergate-Less loss of blood and treasure in Vietnam Carter over Reagan-The Unionized Air Traffic Controllers would still have their jobs Gore over Bush-Which mistake didn't he make? Clinton over TFG-Joe is getting it fixed 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Movable Ballast 249 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 On 12/9/2019 at 2:32 PM, badlatitude said: Yes, and then we need to see peace for a change. We have spent more money than even our great-grandchildren will be able to repay on this debt in their lifetimes. We should all be ashamed. The spend is not the issue here, we are preparing to spend double the cost of the Afghan war to stimulate an overheated economy... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,217 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said: The spend is not the issue here, we are preparing to spend double the cost of the Afghan war to stimulate an overheated economy... another who doesn't understand, well, much about anything actually... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Movable Ballast 249 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Just now, Raz'r said: another who doesn't understand, well, much about anything actually... spoken with the vapid uselessness we've come to expect. Well done! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,549 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said: The spend is not the issue here, we are preparing to spend double the cost of the Afghan war to stimulate an overheated economy... The infrastructure bills are for ... infrastructure. You know, that thing your boy Shitstain promised 4 years ago. What did your boy do instead? Your boy Shitstain cut taxes for the wealthy. https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-irs-files-reveal-how-much-the-ultrawealthy-gained-by-shaping-trumps-big-beautiful-tax-cut 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Got a buddy who still believes Trump Rebuilt the Military. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Point Jack 291 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Movable Ballast said: The spend is not the issue here, we are preparing to spend double the cost of the Afghan war to stimulate an overheated economy... At least we are spending the money on us. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillysailor 3,437 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Fat Point Jack said: At least we are spending the money on us. SOCIALISM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Movable Ballast 249 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, Fat Point Jack said: At least we are spending the money on us. There is that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bridhb 921 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Are will still flying B-52's and other bomb delivery systems in support of the Afghan "government"? How long before that stops? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Movable Ballast 249 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, phillysailor said: SOCIALISM No, stupidity. But off topic I guess. I gave up on the "nation building" thing a long time ago. There is not a single American soldier's life worth propping up these regimes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sol Rosenberg 10,221 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Suck billionaire cock or be a socialist. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark K 2,321 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Raz'r said: Latest in the press is that Kabul may fall in the next 30 days. The troops in the provinces have barely been putting up a fight. The taliban tells them all they have to do to get out of this mess alive is is lay down their weapons or join them, and word is out they are honoring that pledge, so that's what they have been doing. If that same level of morale exists in the units defending Kabul it could've fallen over the weekend. I suppose that's why we dispatched three battalions. The road from the embassy to the airport isn't terribly long but it goes through some tricky to defend spots. My WAG is the talibs won't want to press that issue, they will give us a couple weeks to get out. They've been at it for a generation too. Only the blood they have to spill now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clove Hitch 1,504 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Mark K said: The troops in the provinces have barely been putting up a fight. The taliban tells them all they have to do to get out of this mess alive is is lay down their weapons or join them, and word is out they are honoring that pledge, so that's what they have been doing. If that same level of morale exists in the units defending Kabul it could've fallen over the weekend. I suppose that's why we dispatched three battalions. The road from the embassy to the airport isn't terribly long but it goes through some tricky to defend spots. My WAG is the talibs won't want to press that issue, they will give us a couple weeks to get out. They've been at it for a generation too. Only the blood they have to spill now. Turns out fighting the US for twenty years is wayyyyy better than being trained by the US for 20 years in terms of crafting an army 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark K 2,321 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said: Turns out fighting the US for twenty years is wayyyyy better than being trained by the US for 20 years in terms of crafting an army There's a reason the Taliban succeeded in taking the place over from the tribes back in the 90's, it's still in place. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bridhb 921 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said: Turns out fighting the US for twenty years is wayyyyy better than being trained by the US for 20 years in terms of crafting an army Didn't we learn our lesson in South America? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,924 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 The economists have a term: “Sunk costs fallacy” The redneck has a saying: “Couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag” The military has a repeated report: “The Afghan army is making great progress with our help.” We could have replaced the US military and state department with a teenage video game nerd. I bet he could have accomplished the same ends in months. We would have saved trillion dollars if we ran away in 2002, and many thousands of lives (mostly civilians). 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Movable Ballast said: No, stupidity. But off topic I guess. I gave up on the "nation building" thing a long time ago. There is not a single American soldier's life worth propping up these regimes. So, how many Q-crazies lives would it be worth to prop up the Trump regime? They're storming the Capitol again tomorrow, right? Got air support lined up? - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,668 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said: So, how many Q-crazies lives would it be worth to prop up the Trump regime? They're storming the Capitol again tomorrow, right? Got air support lined up? - DSK Air support, check. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,549 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Quick Reaction Force, check. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Autonomous 1,234 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Fucking amazing. I remember the sickness in my stomach when the news reports came through. That was a long fucking time ago, almost a generation. Fuck me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marty6 447 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Venom said: Who could have guessed this would be the outcome? Me, because as usual the US went in there without a plan, same as Iraq and Vietnam. But hey, at least a certain CiC could pronounce "Mission Accomplished". Who would have thought at the time that a even bigger loser would become a republican president? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,549 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, Marty6 said: Me, because as usual the US went in there without a plan, same as Iraq and Vietnam. But hey, at least a certain CiC could pronounce "Mission Accomplished". Who would have thought at the time that a even bigger loser would become a republican president? Actually we went in with a plan--get OBL--but failed when we had him at Tora Bora. W the Stupid then stayed there to avoid admitting failure. He was already on to his next failure, Iraq. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marty6 447 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Olsonist said: Actually we went in with a plan--get OBL--but failed when we had him at Tora Bora. Never even got close at Tora Bora. So q.e.d.. never had a plan for afterwards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,549 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Marty6 said: Never even got close at Tora Bora. So q.e.d.. never had a plan for afterwards. That may be, but the US went in with a plan. The plan for afterwards should have been simple: leave. What I've read is that OBL was there but slipped our grasp. The occupation and 'nation building' was cover for that failure. It's also pretty clear that W the Stupid was immediately more interested in settling a Bush family score in Iraq than to concentrate his two neurons on finding OBL. We had reason to pursue and find OBL. Obama finally did that. Everything else was stupid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Happy 1,709 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Haven't we seen this movie before......a few times...? America spends massively in lives and money for a decade or more, massively fucks up some brown folks' country, then withdraws having accomplished fuck-all besides massive profits for the usual corporations, leaving behind a wrecked country run by fuckin' loonies. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Venom said: as habitual heroin users complements of uncle Sam. This doesn't mean what you think it means Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 1 hour ago, random. said: Fuck them I say. Nuke them I say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, random. said: That's been done already, by your fellow American war criminals. Coffee is for closers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,217 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Blue Crab said: Nuke them I say. Nuke who? George the lesser? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 30 minutes ago, Raz'r said: Nuke who? George the lesser? Everyone downwind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark K 2,321 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Olsonist said: That may be, but the US went in with a plan. The plan for afterwards should have been simple: leave. What I've read is that OBL was there but slipped our grasp. The occupation and 'nation building' was cover for that failure. It's also pretty clear that W the Stupid was immediately more interested in settling a Bush family score in Iraq than to concentrate his two neurons on finding OBL. We had reason to pursue and find OBL. Obama finally did that. Everything else was stupid. That's what we should have done. Left after we got OBL. They would respect that, and were and are unlikely to idly mess around with any renegade looney Arabs for quite some time. They paid a terrible price for the last time. However they must now deal with some remnants of ISIL still hanging around. If I were in their shoes I'd keep close tabs on them and kill them the moment they acted the least bit froggy. Many of them simply appear to want a home, and may adopt Mullah Omar's vision instead of Zawahri's. The difference is Omar sought to create a puritan Islamic realm and block the rest of the world out, Zawahri sought to forcibly convert the whole world. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,549 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, Mark K said: That's what we should have done. Left after we got OBL. They would respect that, and were and are unlikely to idly mess around with any renegade looney Arabs for quite some time. They paid a terrible price for the last time. However they must now deal with some remnants of ISIL still hanging around. If I were in their shoes I'd keep close tabs on them and kill them the moment they acted the least bit froggy. Many of them simply appear to want a home, and may adopt Mullah Omar's vision instead of Zawahri's. The difference is Omar sought to create a puritan Islamic realm and block the rest of the world out, Zawahri sought to forcibly convert the whole world. Yep, that's what happened with Kansi. I didn't know about the body repatriation. That was a mistake but W the Stupid was good at mistakes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Aimal_Kansi Not only did the Pentagon dead enders end up losing but they made Afghanistan infinitely worse. They did however redistribute hella money to the Right people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,926 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 And now the same Neo-Cons who lobbied for the 2001 invasion and the Forever War . . are now criticizing Biden for finally getting out. Back then, if the US had to invade anywhere, it should have been Saudi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Movable Ballast 249 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said: And now the same Neo-Cons who lobbied for the 2001 invasion and the Forever War . . are now criticizing Biden for finally getting out. Back then, if the US had to invade anywhere, it should have been Saudi Who here is criticizing getting out? Who are these same "neo-cons"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,926 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said: Who here is criticizing getting out? Who are these same "neo-cons"? today's NYT Don't try to make me do your homework for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,926 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 OK class, . . . today's assignment will be for you to predict the next chapter of the Forever War. To get you started, read and comment on this . . https://www.juancole.com/2021/08/director-listen-israelis.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,549 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 U.S. Embassy In Kabul Tells Staff To Destroy Sensitive Material And Evacuate https://text.npr.org/1027390545 This was inevitable. We should have done this, evacuate the embassy, months ago. We should have been handling anything embassy related from Islamabad which is about 300 miles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,217 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Blue Crab said: Everyone downwind. everyone IS downwind. eventually. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,924 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 3 hours ago, AJ Oliver said: OK class, . . . today's assignment will be for you to predict the next chapter of the Forever War. To get you started, read and comment on this . . https://www.juancole.com/2021/08/director-listen-israelis.html Iran is too powerful. Casualties must be kept low. Vietnam proved we quit sooner when a lot of kids die. North Korea has nukes. Maritius is the obvious choice to me. Convenient access for carrier task forces and amphibious assault ships. Allows us to flex muscle near China, but not too near. UK has an old grudge, they might help. 688 person coast guard, our destroyers are safe. 10.000 person total military, counting the police. Hard for Iran to smuggle weapons to them. Most peaceful country in / near Africa (We can win) Offers Free Universal health care. That must be stopped. Brown non Christian population. The island ticks all the boxes. This looks a lot less dangerous then a tanker. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 #9 is a winner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Meh They don't got oil - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lark 1,924 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 41 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said: Meh They don't got oil - DSK That was 2001. Now it’s rare earths. Unfortunately Zimbabwe is off the table. It’s hard for the carriers and marines to get to, just like Afghanistan. The Democratic Republic of Congo is a little better, but China owns too much interest in both of them. Emperor Xi would forbid it. Edit. I realized why Moscow Mitch and his compadres are so loath to leave Afghanistan. https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/rare-earth-afghanistan-sits-1-trillion-minerals-n196861. The us taxpayers even paid for a survey. he aerial surveys determined that Afghanistan may hold 60 million tons of copper, 2.2 billion tons of iron ore, 1.4 million tons of rare earth elements such as lanthanum, cerium and neodymium, and lodes of aluminum, gold, silver, zinc, mercury and lithium. For instance, the Khanneshin carbonatite deposit in Afghanistan's Helmand province is valued at $89 billion, full as it is with rare earth elements. "Afghanistan is a country that is very, very rich in mineral resources," geologist Jack Medlin, program manager of the USGS Afghanistan project, told LiveScience. The scientists' work was detailed in the Aug. 15 issue of the journal Science. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 We could have just purchased it for two TRILLION dollars and saved all the heartache. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mid 4,424 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Olsonist said: U.S. Embassy In Kabul Tells Staff To Destroy Sensitive Material And Evacuate you just had to know this was coming ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pertinacious Tom 1,931 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 1 hour ago, random. said: Does Afghanistan make the sixth consecutive? None of that ever happened. A ragtag militia of locals can't take on a superpower and win. Just hasn't happened and never will. Or something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 36 minutes ago, Excoded Tom said: None of that ever happened. A ragtag militia of locals can't take on a superpower and win. Just hasn't happened and never will. Or something. I don't think it has ever happened. If we do our superpower stuff, we win too quickly. It has to drag out so the Halliburtons and the Blackwaters and Raytheons can move old stock, and lobbyists can funnel the payoffs. All up, I think the military has sold us out from the top down. There's bound to be some honest brass but the last 4 years have shown us the tarnished players at the tippy top. I suspect the rank and file will follow the last order given without question. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,563 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, Mohammed Bin Lyin said: Taliban leader along with Iranian leaders can have twitter accounts the bad orange man is still banned. The mujahidden of the Islamic emirate are taking over would it be considered islamophobic to criticise this? https://twitter.com/Zabehulah_M33 The city of Parun, the capital of Nuristan province, was also conquered. Moments ago, the Mujahideen of the Islamic Emirate entered the city of Parun, the capital of Nuristan province, and seized the provincial building, the police headquarters, the intelligence center and all its accessories. A large number of weapons, tools and equipment fell into the hands of the Mojahedin. Glad Orange man is still banned. He’s much more dangerous to Americans than the Taliban Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/14/2021 at 7:44 AM, Blue Crab said: On 8/14/2021 at 6:54 AM, Excoded Tom said: None of that ever happened. A ragtag militia of locals can't take on a superpower and win. Just hasn't happened and never will. Or something. I don't think it has ever happened. If we do our superpower stuff, we win too quickly. It has to drag out so the Halliburtons and the Blackwaters and Raytheons can move old stock, and lobbyists can funnel the payoffs. All up, I think the military has sold us out from the top down. There's bound to be some honest brass but the last 4 years have shown us the tarnished players at the tippy top. I suspect the rank and file will follow the last order given without question. The whole narrative of "a ragtag militia" is delusional, or a deliberate lie, from the git-go. First off, the Taliban is funded and supported by outside powers; also they are not fighting the USA, they are fighting the current (but apparently not for long) gov't of Afghanistan. The current (as of this morning) gov't is split even more than the USA, the loser of the Presidential election quite literally formed his own government claiming to rule, in many cases claiming the obedience of gov't agencies including military units and in other case just interfering and halting gov't operations. He is basically the ally of the Taliban, my prediction is that he (Abdullah Abdullah) will be shot by them as soon as they're solidly in power. What we're seeing now looks like a replay of the collapse of South Viet Nam, and there are a lot of similarities: the South Vietnamese army actually fought quite well at first but collapsed and fled as defeat became more likely and then inevitable. The Afghan army skipped that first step. In both cases, the gov't was corrupt, ineffective, and did not have the loyalty of the majority of the people.... to a large extent, this reflects the history of Afghanistan as a "country." Military sold us out? I dunno, they were given an impossible task. - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said: Military sold us out? I dunno, they were given an impossible task. Yep. They should have risked their careers and said so and held the line against the corrupt civilian leadership, and brought their case to the people. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, Blue Crab said: Yep. They should have risked their careers and said so and held the line against the corrupt civilian leadership, and brought their case to the people. When you see an unpopular and ineffective gov't, and given the task of "nation-building," you have to say "this ain't gonna work" early and often. FWIW I think 35~40% of USAnian people and probably 60~75% of USAnian politicians would have said "fuck that!" to withdrawing from Afghanistan at any point in the past 19 years. Just not in the cards. In history, Afghanistan has never really been a country. They are not a divided population, they see themselves as completely different people who hate each other -almost- as much as they hate foreigners and Christians. They've been ruled by warlords but never been united. - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,549 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said: they were given an impossible task In its way, an impossible task is similar to the GWOT AUMF. It was always more about job security. Sisyphus had job security. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,217 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 It’s over Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,668 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Olsonist said: In its way, an impossible task is similar to the GWOT AUMF. It was always more about job security. Sisyphus had job security. As do the Four Horsemen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Al Paca 543 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 It’s over Johnny, It’s Over !!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,926 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: What we're seeing now looks like a replay of the collapse of South Viet Nam, and there are a lot of similarities: Another important similarity: The Pentagon Papers revealed that every US Prez from Ike on down (dunno about Truman) knew that the US was going to lose in Vietnam. But they all wanted to make sure the loss did not happen on THEIR watch - so they just kicked the can down the road. That strategy cost the US and VN millions of lives and trillions of $. All for that lie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark K 2,321 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/14/2021 at 3:54 AM, Excoded Tom said: None of that ever happened. A ragtag militia of locals can't take on a superpower and win. Just hasn't happened and never will. Or something. We've only had a couple thousand people there for the last couple years, and they did very little fighting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,448 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, random. said: 6 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: Taliban is funded and supported by outside powers; also they are not fighting the USA, they are fighting the current (but apparently not for long) gov't of Afghanistan. Seriously sucking the koolaid bro. But that's ok, you are a victim of the propaganda. The Afghan Government was a US Puppet, plain and simple. The President fled rather than get his head cut off. The Taliban probably does get funds and arms supplied, but they are the locals. The US manufactured the term 'Insurgents' to wallpaper over the obvious facts of life. I never bought the story, you did. Umm, yeah It would really prove the USA was the good guys if President Ghani stayed and got his head cut off? And I am correct about the Taliban being supported by outside powers but I'm the one drinking koolaid? What the fuck is wrong is with you, other than luring me into wasting my time? - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Burning Man 1,729 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 9:03 PM, Marty6 said: Never even got close at Tora Bora. So q.e.d.. never had a plan for afterwards. Actually we did get pretty close at TB. We just backed down when the pakis wouldn't let us close off the escape routes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Burning Man 1,729 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/14/2021 at 2:07 AM, random. said: Does Afghanistan make the sixth consecutive? I've asked you this before...... who are the other 4? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Sol Rosenberg 10,221 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Afghanistan sure went tits up in a hurry. Are we sure Trump wasn’t reinstated? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,668 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said: Afghanistan sure went tits up in a hurry. Are we sure Trump wasn’t reinstated? As President of Afghanistan? Anything's possible these days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bridhb 921 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Wonder how much the former Prez of Afghanistan has stashed away in various safe places from all the money the USA has been pumping into that country for the last 20 years? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Al Paca 543 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 6:55 PM, Lark said: That was 2001. Now it’s rare earths. Unfortunately Zimbabwe is off the table. It’s hard for the carriers and marines to get to, just like Afghanistan. The Democratic Republic of Congo is a little better, but China owns too much interest in both of them. Emperor Xi would forbid it. Edit. I realized why Moscow Mitch and his compadres are so loath to leave Afghanistan. https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/rare-earth-afghanistan-sits-1-trillion-minerals-n196861. The us taxpayers even paid for a survey. he aerial surveys determined that Afghanistan may hold 60 million tons of copper, 2.2 billion tons of iron ore, 1.4 million tons of rare earth elements such as lanthanum, cerium and neodymium, and lodes of aluminum, gold, silver, zinc, mercury and lithium. For instance, the Khanneshin carbonatite deposit in Afghanistan's Helmand province is valued at $89 billion, full as it is with rare earth elements. "Afghanistan is a country that is very, very rich in mineral resources," geologist Jack Medlin, program manager of the USGS Afghanistan project, told LiveScience. The scientists' work was detailed in the Aug. 15 issue of the journal Science. Yawnnnnnn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: 9 hours ago, Blue Crab said: Yep. They should have risked their careers and said so and held the line against the corrupt civilian leadership, and brought their case to the people. When you see an unpopular and ineffective gov't, and given the task of "nation-building," you have to say "this ain't gonna work" early and often. This. The military took an oath for us. But a whole bunch of top brass had their fingers crossed. The brass sucked political dick instead. Job security. Literally. There's a waiting period from when ya get out til when you can start sucking dick again. K Street was a red light district.... The whiteshoes moved. Pompeo, first in his class at West Point. He's one of them. De Santis too. Flynn's shiny uniform comes to mind. Someway or another Kelly and others were mollified, and likely just bought off. "I don't want to get off on a rant here ... I could be wrong." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sol Rosenberg 10,221 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Blue Crab said: This. The military took an oath for us. But a whole bunch of top brass had their fingers crossed. The brass sucked political dick instead. Job security. Literally. There's a waiting period from when ya get out til when you can start sucking dick again. K Street was a red light district.... The whiteshoes moved. Pompeo, first in his class at West Point. He's one of them. De Santis too. Flynn's shiny uniform comes to mind. Someway or another Kelly and others were mollified, and likely just bought off. "I don't want to get off on a rant here ... I could be wrong." DeSantis just wants power and he will do or say anything to get it. He was Navy JAG. He was just checking a box on the way toward electoral office. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,563 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 hours ago, bridhb said: Wonder how much the former Prez of Afghanistan has stashed away in various safe places from all the money the USA has been pumping into that country for the last 20 years? Karsai reportedly got more than $100M. We delivered it in suitcases to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fakenews said: Karsai reportedly got more than $100M. We delivered it in suitcases to him. Sez a guy called FakeNews. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mrleft8 3,563 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Blue Crab said: Sez a guy called FakeNews. 100M will buy that guy a lot of hair cuts and hats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Methinks the Afghani pipeline just stopped. 19 years getting a paycheck from us but yeah, they're the dumb ones. And they keep the rare earths. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,549 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 DeSantis was a Navy JAG for a SEAL team in Iraq, you know, the country that didn't have anything to do with 9/11. His job was to rubber stamp everything LGTM. He got a Bronze Star for meritorious service which means he was above and beyond the call of duty at pushing papers. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article218804380.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,563 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Blue Crab said: Sez a guy called FakeNews. Don’t be an uninformed bozo. We already have El Moron https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/04/cia-gave-karzai-bags-full-cash-over-decade/315828/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Did ya check the date there bucko? We've moved on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,563 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Blue Crab said: Did ya check the date there bucko? We've moved on. Yeah what I said we gave him the cash and like the smart guy he is he fled the country. We “moved on” to Ghani. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Wonder why we toss all this money at these fucks? Our elected officials do not have our best interests in mind. We need to fix that. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Crab 2,471 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 We did it in the Philippines, with the Shah, and countless others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,668 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Blue Crab said: Wonder why we toss all this money at these fucks? Our elected officials do not have our best interests in mind. We need to fix that. Just think of the commission on that. Quote
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