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On 2/7/2021 at 7:40 AM, phillysailor said:

There need to be repercussions so that it doesn’t happen again. Impeach convict the motherfucker and move on.

FIFY.  Not to pick nits, but he's already been impeached.  

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Oh well, the USA once again chooses to further diminish it's standing in the eyes of the rest of the world.  So be it.

I don't know where to start.  People are dying each day because Trump fucked up.  He refused to face the reality of Covid.  Worst President ever, full stop.  I know I will never spend a nickel at any

Indeed it won't. There are a lot of voices (many people are saying) calling for criminal prosecution after the Republican Senate bows down to Mad King Donald. https://www.thedailybeast.com/forg

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22 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

That timeline is all it should take for the Senate to vote unanimously to convict. Unfortunately, some of them are complicit and many of them are jellyfish.

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Borowitz>>>’

 

Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Could Not Be Behind Something As Well-organized As Riot

WASHINGTON - On the eve of his impeachment trial, Donald J. Trump’s defense lawyers argued that their client could not possibly be behind something as well-organized as the Capitol riot. “From his multiple business failures to his chaotic pandemic response, Donald J. Trump has shown himself to be unequal to every task,” the lawyers argued. “He could not organize a bake sale.” Additionally, they said, “We plan to show that the logistical challenges of the January 6 riot were galaxies beyond the capabilities of Donald J. Trump, who possesses the executive function of a marmoset.” For their part, the House impeachment managers said that they plan to counter this argument with a claim of “temporary competence.”

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On 2/7/2021 at 7:48 AM, jzk said:

 I suspect you consider opposing viewpoints "lies." 

If the opposing viewpoints are lies, then yes I would consider them lies.   Here, I'll show you how it works:

  • If your "opposing viewpoint" was that the moon landing was faked, then that is a lie. 
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the earth is flat, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that that COVID pandemic is a hoax or is "just the flu", then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that CA forest fires were started with jewish space lasers, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that 9/11 was an inside job, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the Holocaust never happened, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the South won the civil war, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the there is a secret cabal of cannibalistic child-eating pedophiles in pizza parlor basements and that Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are the leaders, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the election was stolen from trump despite the counts being certified by all 50 states and upheld at all levels of the judiciary (including many GOP appointed judges), then that is a lie.  

None of those are "interesting questions".  They are lies.  Period, dot.

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I love how, since Trump said the word “peaceful” to his soon-to-be-rioters, @Dog thinks he’s innocent.

That’s just like a lawyer who points to CCTV footage saying “and notice, at this moment, my client is not stabbing anyone! You must therefore find him innocent of murder.”

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40 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

dog will never read that, but it blows his narrative to bits.   Trump needs to go to jail yesterday.

6:01 p.m.: Trump tweets: “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

"Pence raped your wife and unceremoniously & viciously killed your kids. He's right there, in that building just up the street. Now go home with love and peace. Remember this day forever!" 

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2 minutes ago, Mark K said:

"Pence raped your wife and unceremoniously & viciously killed your kids. He's right there, in that building just up the street. Now go home with love and peace. Remember this day forever!" 

Now you've done it Dog will be asking for a cite verbatim .

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9 minutes ago, Mark K said:

"Pence raped your wife and unceremoniously & viciously killed your kids. He's right there, in that building just up the street. Now go home with love and peace. Remember this day forever!" 

Never happened. Pence's wife would never allow him out of her sight for that long if there was a woman in the room.

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1 minute ago, Mrleft8 said:

Never happened. Pence's wife would never allow him out of her sight for that long if there was a woman in the room.

 it happened, believe me. Many people are saying that. 

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Does anyone expect the Senate to convict? 
 

I say the only thing that might make it possible is if an American Senator, Representative or the Vice President had been killed. They didn’t even kill any democRATS!  No chance of conviction. 

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21 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Does anyone expect the Senate to convict? 
 

I say the only thing that might make it possible is if an American Senator, Representative or the Vice President had been killed. They didn’t even kill any democRATS!  No chance of conviction. 

I do find interesting the thoughts of Heather Cox Richardson.  Yesterday's post (I shared it this morning) speaks to the political risk in 2022 and 2024 if the GOP blindly says "Nah, never mind" to the Article of Impeachment.  Especially as more information becomes available and the possibility that there WILL be a connection of the defeated ex-President to the planning and actions of the Insurrection.  In their response, the defense team wrote in their brief “the people who criminally breached the Capitol did so of their own accord and for their own reason,” and that their actions “were utterly inexcusable and deserve robust and swift investigation and prosecution.”  How are those "patriots" going to respond as that becomes widely known.  Will they remain loyal to the defeated ex-President?

The ads for the Democrats will write themselves.

This has to be a nerve-wracking time for them.

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12 hours ago, Burning Man said:

If the opposing viewpoints are lies, then yes I would consider them lies.   Here, I'll show you how it works:

  • If your "opposing viewpoint" was that the moon landing was faked, then that is a lie. 
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the earth is flat, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that that COVID pandemic is a hoax or is "just the flu", then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that CA forest fires were started with jewish space lasers, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that 9/11 was an inside job, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the Holocaust never happened, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the South won the civil war, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the there is a secret cabal of cannibalistic child-eating pedophiles in pizza parlor basements and that Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are the leaders, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the election was stolen from trump despite the counts being certified by all 50 states and upheld at all levels of the judiciary (including many GOP appointed judges), then that is a lie.  

None of those are "interesting questions".  They are lies.  Period, dot.

How do we scientifically determine that the earth is round?  Do we silence the flat earthers?

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25 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I do find interesting the thoughts of Heather Cox Richardson.  Yesterday's post (I shared it this morning) speaks to the political risk in 2022 and 2024 if the GOP blindly says "Nah, never mind" to the Article of Impeachment.  Especially as more information becomes available and the possibility that there WILL be a connection of the defeated ex-President to the planning and actions of the Insurrection.  In their response, the defense team wrote in their brief “the people who criminally breached the Capitol did so of their own accord and for their own reason,” and that their actions “were utterly inexcusable and deserve robust and swift investigation and prosecution.”  How are those "patriots" going to respond as that becomes widely known.  Will they remain loyal to the defeated ex-President?

The ads for the Democrats will write themselves.

This has to be a nerve-wracking time for them.

I think Mark got to the heart of it when he posited that this presents an opportunity for the American party to unshackle itself from it's Most Stable Genius Ever Very Strongly. Judging from the amount of distraction, deflection, cherry picking and other fallacies our bullshitters are furiously trying to whip up in this thread, I'd say that The Party doesn't have the stones to stand up for it, particularly when it was clear that the mob was after America's True Enemy. 

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4 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:
36 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I do find interesting the thoughts of Heather Cox Richardson.  Yesterday's post (I shared it this morning) speaks to the political risk in 2022 and 2024 if the GOP blindly says "Nah, never mind" to the Article of Impeachment.  Especially as more information becomes available and the possibility that there WILL be a connection of the defeated ex-President to the planning and actions of the Insurrection.  In their response, the defense team wrote in their brief “the people who criminally breached the Capitol did so of their own accord and for their own reason,” and that their actions “were utterly inexcusable and deserve robust and swift investigation and prosecution.”  How are those "patriots" going to respond as that becomes widely known.  Will they remain loyal to the defeated ex-President?

The ads for the Democrats will write themselves.

This has to be a nerve-wracking time for them.

I think Mark got to the heart of it when he posited that this presents an opportunity for the American party to unshackle itself from it's Most Stable Genius Ever Very Strongly. Judging from the amount of distraction, deflection, cherry picking and other fallacies our bullshitters are furiously trying to whip up in this thread, I'd say that The Party doesn't have the stones to stand up for it, particularly when it was clear that the mob was after America's True Enemy. 

I also think that the calculus of the next election weighs very heavily on this decision.

The next election is over a year and a half away, you can flood the zone with a LOT of bullshit in that time. Trump will almost certainly bring a lot of rabidly loyal voters to that election, especially to the primaries that are only a year away.

And the bottom line, of course, the realpolitik that these terrorists are the GOP's freedom fighters

- DSK

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22 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

I think Mark got to the heart of it when he posited that this presents an opportunity for the American party to unshackle itself from it's Most Stable Genius Ever Very Strongly. Judging from the amount of distraction, deflection, cherry picking and other fallacies our bullshitters are furiously trying to whip up in this thread, I'd say that The Party doesn't have the stones to stand up for it, particularly when it was clear that the mob was after America's True Enemy. 

When the party member with the biggest stones is named Liz, you have a problem.  I don't think there's any chance Trump will be convicted.  The standard excuse will be along the lines of, "I think what Trump did was wrong, but the process was unconstitutional."  Bunch of wimps too afraid to do the right thing.  On the plus side, Trump will be in assisted care or dead by 2024.  He's not all there now and hasn't been for a while.  

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46 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I also think that the calculus of the next election weighs very heavily on this decision.

The next election is over a year and a half away, you can flood the zone with a LOT of bullshit in that time. Trump will almost certainly bring a lot of rabidly loyal voters to that election, especially to the primaries that are only a year away.

And the bottom line, of course, the realpolitik that these terrorists are the GOP's freedom fighters

- DSK

Sounds like a LOT of work, but the payoff is wonderful if people keep giving you money.

Defunding the megalomaniac is where lawsuits come in, like investigating how his lawyer was using Trump to help child porn creeps

Keep the heat on, death by 1,000 cuts is exquisitely painful.

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14 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I don't think Dog and his elk want to see a timeline of the insurrection on Jan 6th.

(the following based on multiple sources including Reuters and AP reprots, but largely on https://billmoyers.com/story/insurrection-timeline-first-the-coup-and-then-the-cover-up-updated/)

Early November: According to prosecutors the plans are being made for the assault on the capitol .

Post-election: Trump refuses to concede. Relentlessly, he attacks the election as “rigged” and “stolen.” ... “Stop the Steal” becomes a rallying cry.

Dec. 19, 2020: Trump tweets: “Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”

Dec. 22:  Trump campaign has paid more than $2.7 million to rally organizers for Jan 6th event

Dec. 27, 2020: Trump tweets: “See you in Washington, DC, on January 6th. Don’t miss it. Information to follow.”

Dec. 31: Acting Attorney General Rosen and his deputy, Richard Donoghue meet with Jeffrey Clark, assistant attorney general of the environment and natural resources division, whom Trump had also named acting head of the civil division in September 2020. Rosen and Donoghue tell Clark to stop pushing Trump’s false conspiracy theories about election fraud. Unbeknownst to Rosen and Donoghue, Clark had been meeting privately with Trump, who had embraced Clark’s theories and support.

 

Jan. 3, 2021: Replying to a #StoptheSteal tweet from one of the rally organizers, Trump tweets: “I will be there. Historic day.” Also, Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller (Appointed by Trump Nov 9th)  and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley meet with Trump and he concurs in activation of the DC National Guard “to support law enforcement.”
Jan. 3, late night: Under pressure from the White House, a top Justice Department official calls the US attorney in Atlanta, Byung Pak. He says that Trump is furious that there is no federal investigation into Georgia voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election. Also, Trump is forced to drop plan to have Acting Att'y General Rosen interfere with the states delivery of Electoral College votes to Congress.

Also on Jan. 3: An internal Capitol Police intelligence report warns of a violent scenario in which “Congress itself” could be the target of angry Trump supporters in the upcoming rally.

Jan. 4: Miller issues a memo to Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy requiring Miller’s “personal authorization” for the DC National Guard to employ “riot control agents”

 

Also on Jan. 4: Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund asks the Senate and House sergeants at arms for permission to put the National Guard on emergency standby. They reject that idea

Jan. 5: The FBI office in Norfolk, Virginia issues a warning that extremists are preparing to travel to Washington to commit violence and “war.” The office shares the information with its counterparts in the Washington, DC office.

Also on Jan. 5: Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) receives call from White House Political Director Brian Jack asking him to speak at the “Stop the Steal” rally on January 6. Brooks agrees. Several Republican Congressmen meet with Trump supporters to give private tours of Capitol building.

January 6, 2021

8:17 a.m.: Trump tweets: “States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

10:00 a.m.: Trump’s “Stop the Steal” rally begins

11:15 a.m.: A mile-and-a-half from the rally, a group of 200 to 300 protesters arrive at the Capitol reflecting pool area near the west side of the building.

10:50 a.m.: Speaking at the rally, Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani says “Let’s have trial by combat.”

12 Noon: Trump begins to address the mob and continues speaking for more than an hour.

1:00 p.m.: While Trump continues his rant to the mob, some members of Trump’s crowd have already reached the US Capitol building where Congress is in joint session to certify President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

1:09 p.m.: DC Capitol Police Chief Sund tells his superiors – House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving and Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger — that he wants an emergency declaration and to call in the National Guard. The protestors out in front of the Capitol are assaulting Capitol Police trying to keep them from crossing a makeshift barrier.

1:11 p.m.: Trump ends his speech by urging his followers to march down Pennsylvania Avenue: “We fight like hell. If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore… Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun… We’re going to the Capitol. We’re going to try and give them [Republicans] the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

(DoD Memo) 1:26 p.m.: The Capitol Police orders the evacuation of the Capitol complex.

1:30 p.m.: The crowd outside the building grows larger, eventually overtaking the Capitol Police and making its way up the Capitol steps. Suspicious packages – later confirmed to be pipe bombs – are found at Republican National Committee headquarters and Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington.

As the attack unfolds, Trump is pleased and disregards aides pleading with him to intercede. Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) later says that, according to Trump aides, he is “delighted,” while “walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team [are]n’t as excited.” Trump initially rebuffs requests to mobilize the National Guard.

(DoD Memo) 1:34 p.m.: DC Mayor Muriel Bowser asks Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy – who reports to Miller – for more federal help to deal with the mob. Bowser is told that the request must first come from the Capitol Police.

(DoD Memo) 1:49 p.m.: The Capitol Police chief asks the commanding general of the DC National Guard for immediate assistance.

Also at 1:49 p.m.: Trump retweets as video of the rally, which includes his previous statements that: “our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you came up with, we will stop the steal. . . You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

1:59 p.m.: Sund receives the first report that rioters have reached the Capitol’s doors and windows and are attempting to break at least one window.

Shortly after 2:00 p.m.: While the senators are in a temporary holding room after the Senate chamber is evacuated, Trump tries to call Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL), but mistakenly reaches Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), who hands the phone to Tuberville. Trump then tries to convince Tuberville to make additional objections to the Electoral College vote in an effort to block Congress’ certification of Biden’s win. The call is cut off because senators are asked to move to a secure location.

2:10 p.m.: Text and email alerts to all congressional staff warn those inside to stay away from windows and those outside to seek cover.

2:11 p.m.: Trump’s mob breaches the Capitol building – breaking windows, climbing inside, and opening doors for others to follow.

2:13 p.m.: Pence leaves the Senate floor and is moved to a nearby office.

2:14 p.m.: Rioters chase DC Capitol Police officer Eugene Goodman up a flight of stairs and arrive on the landing near the office where Pence and his family are hiding. Goodman lures them away from Pence and the Senate chamber.

2:18 p.m.: Another text alert goes out to Capitol staff: “Due to security threat inside: immediately, move inside your office, take emergency equipment, lock the doors, take shelter.”

Some time between 2:00 and 2:20 p.m.: Insurrectionist Ashli Babbit, a 14-year Air Force veteran who has made direct death threats against Democrats, is shot in the neck by an as-yet unidentified Capitol Police officer as she tries to climb thru a broken window into the Congressional chambers. She is DOA at Washington DC ER.

Around 2:20 p.m.: Hiding in a barricaded room, members of Congress and their aides make pleas for outside help. Among them is a senior adviser to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), who reaches a former law firm colleague, Will Levi. Levi had served as Attorney General William Barr’s chief of staff. From his home, Levi then calls FBI Deputy Director David Bowdich at the command center in the FBI’s Washington field office. Bowdich dispatches the first of three tactical teams to the Capitol, including one from the Washington field office and another from Baltimore.

(DoD Memo) 2:22 p.m.: Army Secretary McCarthy discusses the situation at the Capitol with Mayor Bowser and her staff.

They are begging for additional National Guard assistance. Note the time. It’s been almost an hour since Bowser requested help.

2:24 p.m.: Trump tweets: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

After erecting a gallows on the Capitol grounds, the mob chants, “Hang Mike Pence.” Rioters create another noose from a camera cord seized during an attack on an on-site news team.

2:26 p.m.: Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund joins a conference call with several officials from the DC government, as well as officials from the Pentagon... “I am making an urgent, urgent immediate request for National Guard assistance,” Sund says. “I have got to get boots on the ground.”

2:28 p.m.: Rioters storm House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) suite of offices, pounding the doors trying to find her.

(D0D Memo) 2:30 p.m.: Miller, Army Secretary McCarthy, and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff meet to discuss Mayor Bowser’s request.

2:33 p.m.: A broadcast on the emergency management agency channel in DC requests that all law enforcement officers in the city respond to the Capitol.

2:42 p.m.: As lawmakers are evacuating the House chamber using the Speaker’s Lobby, rioters the Lobby threshold.

2:52 p.m.: The first FBI SWAT team enters the Capitol.

2:53 p.m.: The last of a large group of House members has been evacuated and is headed for a secure location.

(DoD Memo) 3:04 p.m.: Miller gives “verbal approval” to full mobilization of the DC National Guard (1,100 members).

It has now been more than 90 minutes since Mayor Bowser first asked Army Secretary McCarthy for assistance. It took an hour for Defense Department officials to meet and another half-hour for them to decide to help. And Bowser still doesn’t know the status of her request.

(Memo) 3:19 p.m.: Pelosi and Schumer call Army Secretary McCarthy, who says that Bowser’s request has now been approved.

(Memo) 3:26 p.m.: Army Secretary McCarthy calls Bowser to tell her that her request for help has been approved.

The Defense Department’s notification of approval to Bowser came two hours after her request.

While Miller and his team were slow-walking Mayor Bowser’s request, she had sought National Guard assistance from Virginia Governor Ralph Northam (D) and Maryland Governor Larry Hogan (R). At about the same time, Speaker Pelosi called Northam directly for help and he agreed.

3:29 p.m.: Governor Northam announces mobilization of Virginia’s National Guard. But there’s a hitch. Federal law requires Defense Department authorization before any state’s National Guard can cross the state border onto federal land in DC. That approval doesn’t come until almost two hours later.

(DoD Memo) 3:47 p.m. Governor Hogan mobilizes his state’s National Guard and 200 state trooper.

The Defense Department "repeatedly denies” Hogan’s request to deploy the National Guard at the Capitol. As he awaits approval, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) calls Hogan from the undisclosed bunker to which he, Speaker Pelosi, and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) have been evacuated. Hoyer pleads for assistance, saying that the Capitol Police is overwhelmed and there is no federal law enforcement presence.

4:17 p.m.: Trump tweets a video telling rioters, “I know your pain, I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side… It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.”

(DoD Memo) 4:18 p.m.: Miller gives verbal approval to notifying surrounding states to muster and be prepared to mobilize their National Guard personnel.

5:40 p.m.: The first DC National Guard personnel arrive at the Capitol.

(DoD Memo) 5:45 p.m.: Miller signs formal authorization for out-of-state National Guard personnel to muster and gives voice approval for deployment to support the Capitol Police.

The first Maryland National Guard personnel don’t arrive at the Capitol until January 7 at 10:00 a.m. The first Virginia National Guard members arrive at Noon.

6:01 p.m.: Trump tweets: “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

The Aftermath of the Attack

8:31 p.m.: After widespread media reports that Pence, not Trump, had actually given the order to deploy the National Guard

*Jan. 7: US Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick dies from injuries he sustained while defending against the attack. About 140 law enforcement officers suffer injuries such as cracked ribs, crushed spinal discs, stab wounds from a metal fence stake, concussions from head blows with objects that include metal poles ripped from inauguration-related scaffolding and even a pole with an American flag attached. Another 38 officers test positive for the coronavirus.

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I hope this dispels any doubts about the serious intent of the insurrectionist mob, the nefarious intent of Trump and his cronies, and the seriousness of this incident in American history. I also hope it will suppress the RWNJ stream of lies about it, but that's a really big ask.

- DSK

 

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15 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I don't think Dog and his elk want to see a timeline of the insurrection on Jan 6th.

(the following based on multiple sources including Reuters and AP reprots, but largely on https://billmoyers.com/story/insurrection-timeline-first-the-coup-and-then-the-cover-up-updated/)

Post-election: Trump refuses to concede. Relentlessly, he attacks the election as “rigged” and “stolen.” ... “Stop the Steal” becomes a rallying cry.

Dec. 19, 2020: Trump tweets: “Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”

Dec. 22:  Trump campaign has paid more than $2.7 million to rally organizers for Jan 6th event

Dec. 27, 2020: Trump tweets: “See you in Washington, DC, on January 6th. Don’t miss it. Information to follow.”

Dec. 31: Acting Attorney General Rosen and his deputy, Richard Donoghue meet with Jeffrey Clark, assistant attorney general of the environment and natural resources division, whom Trump had also named acting head of the civil division in September 2020. Rosen and Donoghue tell Clark to stop pushing Trump’s false conspiracy theories about election fraud. Unbeknownst to Rosen and Donoghue, Clark had been meeting privately with Trump, who had embraced Clark’s theories and support.

 

Jan. 3, 2021: Replying to a #StoptheSteal tweet from one of the rally organizers, Trump tweets: “I will be there. Historic day.” Also, Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller (Appointed by Trump Nov 9th)  and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley meet with Trump and he concurs in activation of the DC National Guard “to support law enforcement.”
Jan. 3, late night: Under pressure from the White House, a top Justice Department official calls the US attorney in Atlanta, Byung Pak. He says that Trump is furious that there is no federal investigation into Georgia voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election. Also, Trump is forced to drop plan to have Acting Att'y General Rosen interfere with the states delivery of Electoral College votes to Congress.

Also on Jan. 3: An internal Capitol Police intelligence report warns of a violent scenario in which “Congress itself” could be the target of angry Trump supporters in the upcoming rally.

Jan. 4: Miller issues a memo to Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy requiring Miller’s “personal authorization” for the DC National Guard to employ “riot control agents”

 

Also on Jan. 4: Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund asks the Senate and House sergeants at arms for permission to put the National Guard on emergency standby. They reject that idea

Jan. 5: The FBI office in Norfolk, Virginia issues a warning that extremists are preparing to travel to Washington to commit violence and “war.” The office shares the information with its counterparts in the Washington, DC office.

Also on Jan. 5: Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) receives call from White House Political Director Brian Jack asking him to speak at the “Stop the Steal” rally on January 6. Brooks agrees. Several Republican Congressmen meet with Trump supporters to give private tours of Capitol building.

January 6, 2021

8:17 a.m.: Trump tweets: “States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

10:00 a.m.: Trump’s “Stop the Steal” rally begins

11:15 a.m.: A mile-and-a-half from the rally, a group of 200 to 300 protesters arrive at the Capitol reflecting pool area near the west side of the building.

10:50 a.m.: Speaking at the rally, Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani says “Let’s have trial by combat.”

12 Noon: Trump begins to address the mob and continues speaking for more than an hour.

1:00 p.m.: While Trump continues his rant to the mob, some members of Trump’s crowd have already reached the US Capitol building where Congress is in joint session to certify President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

1:09 p.m.: DC Capitol Police Chief Sund tells his superiors – House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving and Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger — that he wants an emergency declaration and to call in the National Guard. The protestors out in front of the Capitol are assaulting Capitol Police trying to keep them from crossing a makeshift barrier.

1:11 p.m.: Trump ends his speech by urging his followers to march down Pennsylvania Avenue: “We fight like hell. If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore… Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun… We’re going to the Capitol. We’re going to try and give them [Republicans] the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

(DoD Memo) 1:26 p.m.: The Capitol Police orders the evacuation of the Capitol complex.

1:30 p.m.: The crowd outside the building grows larger, eventually overtaking the Capitol Police and making its way up the Capitol steps. Suspicious packages – later confirmed to be pipe bombs – are found at Republican National Committee headquarters and Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington.

As the attack unfolds, Trump is pleased and disregards aides pleading with him to intercede. Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) later says that, according to Trump aides, he is “delighted,” while “walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team [are]n’t as excited.” Trump initially rebuffs requests to mobilize the National Guard.

(DoD Memo) 1:34 p.m.: DC Mayor Muriel Bowser asks Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy – who reports to Miller – for more federal help to deal with the mob. Bowser is told that the request must first come from the Capitol Police.

(DoD Memo) 1:49 p.m.: The Capitol Police chief asks the commanding general of the DC National Guard for immediate assistance.

Also at 1:49 p.m.: Trump retweets as video of the rally, which includes his previous statements that: “our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you came up with, we will stop the steal. . . You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

1:59 p.m.: Sund receives the first report that rioters have reached the Capitol’s doors and windows and are attempting to break at least one window.

Shortly after 2:00 p.m.: While the senators are in a temporary holding room after the Senate chamber is evacuated, Trump tries to call Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL), but mistakenly reaches Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), who hands the phone to Tuberville. Trump then tries to convince Tuberville to make additional objections to the Electoral College vote in an effort to block Congress’ certification of Biden’s win. The call is cut off because senators are asked to move to a secure location.

2:10 p.m.: Text and email alerts to all congressional staff warn those inside to stay away from windows and those outside to seek cover.

2:11 p.m.: Trump’s mob breaches the Capitol building – breaking windows, climbing inside, and opening doors for others to follow.

2:13 p.m.: Pence leaves the Senate floor and is moved to a nearby office.

2:14 p.m.: Rioters chase DC Capitol Police officer Eugene Goodman up a flight of stairs and arrive on the landing near the office where Pence and his family are hiding. Goodman lures them away from Pence and the Senate chamber.

2:18 p.m.: Another text alert goes out to Capitol staff: “Due to security threat inside: immediately, move inside your office, take emergency equipment, lock the doors, take shelter.”

Some time between 2:00 and 2:20 p.m.: Insurrectionist Ashli Babbit, a 14-year Air Force veteran who has made direct death threats against Democrats, is shot in the neck by an as-yet unidentified Capitol Police officer as she tries to climb thru a broken window into the Congressional chambers. She is DOA at Washington DC ER.

Around 2:20 p.m.: Hiding in a barricaded room, members of Congress and their aides make pleas for outside help. Among them is a senior adviser to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), who reaches a former law firm colleague, Will Levi. Levi had served as Attorney General William Barr’s chief of staff. From his home, Levi then calls FBI Deputy Director David Bowdich at the command center in the FBI’s Washington field office. Bowdich dispatches the first of three tactical teams to the Capitol, including one from the Washington field office and another from Baltimore.

(DoD Memo) 2:22 p.m.: Army Secretary McCarthy discusses the situation at the Capitol with Mayor Bowser and her staff.

They are begging for additional National Guard assistance. Note the time. It’s been almost an hour since Bowser requested help.

2:24 p.m.: Trump tweets: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

After erecting a gallows on the Capitol grounds, the mob chants, “Hang Mike Pence.” Rioters create another noose from a camera cord seized during an attack on an on-site news team.

2:26 p.m.: Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund joins a conference call with several officials from the DC government, as well as officials from the Pentagon... “I am making an urgent, urgent immediate request for National Guard assistance,” Sund says. “I have got to get boots on the ground.”

2:28 p.m.: Rioters storm House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) suite of offices, pounding the doors trying to find her.

(D0D Memo) 2:30 p.m.: Miller, Army Secretary McCarthy, and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff meet to discuss Mayor Bowser’s request.

2:33 p.m.: A broadcast on the emergency management agency channel in DC requests that all law enforcement officers in the city respond to the Capitol.

2:42 p.m.: As lawmakers are evacuating the House chamber using the Speaker’s Lobby, rioters the Lobby threshold.

2:52 p.m.: The first FBI SWAT team enters the Capitol.

2:53 p.m.: The last of a large group of House members has been evacuated and is headed for a secure location.

(DoD Memo) 3:04 p.m.: Miller gives “verbal approval” to full mobilization of the DC National Guard (1,100 members).

It has now been more than 90 minutes since Mayor Bowser first asked Army Secretary McCarthy for assistance. It took an hour for Defense Department officials to meet and another half-hour for them to decide to help. And Bowser still doesn’t know the status of her request.

(Memo) 3:19 p.m.: Pelosi and Schumer call Army Secretary McCarthy, who says that Bowser’s request has now been approved.

(Memo) 3:26 p.m.: Army Secretary McCarthy calls Bowser to tell her that her request for help has been approved.

The Defense Department’s notification of approval to Bowser came two hours after her request.

While Miller and his team were slow-walking Mayor Bowser’s request, she had sought National Guard assistance from Virginia Governor Ralph Northam (D) and Maryland Governor Larry Hogan (R). At about the same time, Speaker Pelosi called Northam directly for help and he agreed.

3:29 p.m.: Governor Northam announces mobilization of Virginia’s National Guard. But there’s a hitch. Federal law requires Defense Department authorization before any state’s National Guard can cross the state border onto federal land in DC. That approval doesn’t come until almost two hours later.

(DoD Memo) 3:47 p.m. Governor Hogan mobilizes his state’s National Guard and 200 state trooper.

The Defense Department "repeatedly denies” Hogan’s request to deploy the National Guard at the Capitol. As he awaits approval, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) calls Hogan from the undisclosed bunker to which he, Speaker Pelosi, and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) have been evacuated. Hoyer pleads for assistance, saying that the Capitol Police is overwhelmed and there is no federal law enforcement presence.

4:17 p.m.: Trump tweets a video telling rioters, “I know your pain, I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side… It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.”

(DoD Memo) 4:18 p.m.: Miller gives verbal approval to notifying surrounding states to muster and be prepared to mobilize their National Guard personnel.

5:40 p.m.: The first DC National Guard personnel arrive at the Capitol.

(DoD Memo) 5:45 p.m.: Miller signs formal authorization for out-of-state National Guard personnel to muster and gives voice approval for deployment to support the Capitol Police.

The first Maryland National Guard personnel don’t arrive at the Capitol until January 7 at 10:00 a.m. The first Virginia National Guard members arrive at Noon.

6:01 p.m.: Trump tweets: “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

The Aftermath of the Attack

8:31 p.m.: After widespread media reports that Pence, not Trump, had actually given the order to deploy the National Guard

*Jan. 7: US Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick dies from injuries he sustained while defending against the attack. About 140 law enforcement officers suffer injuries such as cracked ribs, crushed spinal discs, stab wounds from a metal fence stake, concussions from head blows with objects that include metal poles ripped from inauguration-related scaffolding and even a pole with an American flag attached. Another 38 officers test positive for the coronavirus.

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I hope this dispels any doubts about the serious intent of the insurrectionist mob, the nefarious intent of Trump and his cronies, and the seriousness of this incident in American history. I also hope it will suppress the RWNJ stream of lies about it, but that's a really big ask.

- DSK

The elk are not going to read this and will call you a traitor..  This timeline needs to be forced to be played before every streamed movie on netflix et all.  Sobering..  

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3 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Does anyone expect the Senate to convict? 

No and that will not be the end either .

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8 minutes ago, Mid said:

No and that will not be the end either .

Indeed it won't. There are a lot of voices (many people are saying) calling for criminal prosecution after the Republican Senate bows down to Mad King Donald.

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“Why isn’t Donald Trump under arrest yet?”

That’s a question I hear almost daily from listeners to my SiriusXM radio show. And they’re 100 percent correct. Donald J. Trump faces his impeachment trial in the Senate this week, and that is good and necessary. But he should already be facing criminal charges arising from his incitement of the deadly attack on our Capitol, plus federal campaign finance crimes he committed with his former fixer Michael Cohen. Remember “Individual 1”? (There’s also Trump’s possible crimes for intentionally lying to the public about the risks of COVID-19 because he believed it helped him politically.)

Trump being charged with crimes is not some progressive fever drive. It’s what justice demands.

Let’s start with the simpler of the two cases, the election crime, since it’s already laid out by federal prosecutors in connection with Trump’s “hush money” payments to Stormy Daniels. In the sentencing memo submitted by prosecutors in Southern District of New York in Cohen’s case, they explained that Cohen “acted in coordination and at the direction of” individual number one, who is indisputably Trump. That means Trump committed a felony as part of a criminal conspiracy that violated federal campaign laws. Indeed, this is one of the crimes that resulted in Cohen being sentenced to three years in prison.

Former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner explained to me that the delay in Trump being charged with felony level federal election crimes may only be temporary. Kirschner noted that the Southern District of New York prosecutors may “be waiting for Merrick Garland—Joe Biden’s Attorney General nominee—to get in place so they can begin to pull the trigger on indictments.” Let’s hope this is simply justice delayed, not denied.

Now let’s talk Trump’s crimes arising from the deadly insurrection. Given Trump’s conduct leading up to Jan. 6, his actions that day and the countless people who have stated they attacked the Capitol because Trump incited them, Trump should already be charged with the federal crime of “inciting an insurrection” and possibly “seditious conspiracy.”

The relevant part of the seditious conspiracy statute makes it a felony if two or more people agree to “use force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States.” In this instance, the crime occurred when Trump supporters—incited by Trump—delayed the execution of the federal law that mandated Congress meet on Jan. 6 at 1:00 that day to certify the electoral results.

In fact, Kirschner shared that, “I think that all of my friends and colleagues at the DC U.S. Attorney’s office are working night and day to build a seditious conspiracy case, and incitement to insurrection case against Donald Trump.” They should be.

I encourage people to read the “Statement of Facts” portion of the House impeachment managers’ brief filed Tuesday that lays out more than just the grounds to convict Trump in the impeachment trial—it makes a compelling case to charge Trump with at least insurrection. While the House managers, headed by Rep. Jamie Raskin, do not cite the federal statute for this felony given that the impeachment trial is not criminal, they lay out the roadmap for prosecutors to build a case.

One of the most important points they make is that Trump’s misconduct is not solely about the words of his January 6 speech before the attack. Instead, they argue in powerful detail that Trump laid the groundwork for the insurrection over a period of months beginning with his repeated comments during the campaign that “the only way we’re going to lose this election is if this election is rigged.” Trump was priming his supporters to be on board with this concept if he lost the election.

From there, the House managers highlight Trump’s post-election lies about the election being “stolen” through his call for his most rabid supporters to gather in Washington, D.C.—not on any random day, but on the very day federal law mandated Congress meet to certify the election results.

The House managers’ brief leaves you with the sense that Trump radicalized some in his base —like ISIS does--with a non-stop drumbeat of lies and fiery rhetoric intended to incite them to the doorstep of violence. And finally, on Jan. 6, Trump pushed them through that door, activating them to use force to stop the certification.

In fact, the House managers—without invoking the word “radicalization”—lay out that very concept in this passage of their brief: “By the day of the rally, President Trump had spent months using his bully pulpit to insist that the Joint Session of Congress was the final act of a vast plot to destroy America.” They added, “As a result— and as had been widely reported—the crowd was armed, angry, and dangerous…Incited by President Trump, his mob attacked the Capitol.”

The House managers also emphasis that during the attack, numerous Trump supporters declared via livestream videos that they were there because Trump incited them. For example, they write, one “declared that ‘[o]ur president wants us here. We wait and take orders from our president.’ Yet another rioter yelled at police officers, ‘[w]e were invited here...by the President of the United States!’”

That sentiment is echoed up the countless others who directly point to Trump for inciting their attack on the Capitol. They are correct. The only reason they were even in Washington on Jan. 6 was that Trump repeatedly urged them to be there for a “wild” time.

The impeachment trial this week is step one—but even if Trump is convicted, accountability for Trump’s crimes cannot simply be disqualifying him from running from office again. Accountability can only come if Trump is criminally charged and fully prosecuted. That’s the best hope we have at preventing Trump or any future president from engaging in the same dangerous and illegal conduct. In fact, today would be a great day to arrest Trump.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/forget-impeachment-donald-trump-should-be-under-arrest?ref=home

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The Dems are giving trump what he loves , people talking about him good & bad.

If they were smart , never mention his name and he would really go...........................

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At the risk of PA heresy,  what about a deal where the Senate agrees not to bar Trump from future office, whether by Article 1, or via the 14th Amendment, if that might peel off enough Republican votes to convict him in the Senate impeachment vote?

Barring him from any future office, by a bare majority vote, is going to prolong and worsen the polarization we have now, if that's possible.  The Trump loyalists will (of course) see it as twisting the knife, and many more  may see it as a cowardly way of never having to run against him because they fear he might win, rather than trusting the electorate at large to make that decision.

Okay, maybe it's unlikely.  But anything that gets done by 51-50 vote is likely going to be more divisive than we can imagine, and for longer than we can imagine.

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10 minutes ago, nolatom said:

At the risk of PA heresy,  what about a deal where the Senate agrees not to bar Trump from future office, whether by Article 1, or via the 14th Amendment, if that might peel off enough Republican votes to convict him in the Senate impeachment vote?

Barring him from any future office, by a bare majority vote, is going to prolong and worsen the polarization we have now, if that's possible.  The Trump loyalists will (of course) see it as twisting the knife, and many more  may see it as a cowardly way of never having to run against him because they fear he might win, rather than trusting the electorate at large to make that decision.

Okay, maybe it's unlikely.  But anything that gets done by 51-50 vote is likely going to be more divisive than we can imagine, and for longer than we can imagine.

Holding someone accountable for their actions  (and crimes)  in the face of real physical harm and continuing threats is not cowardly 

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They've been thrown under the bus.  Drag these clowns into the Senate and have them testify.

A Capitol riot suspect known as the 'QAnon Shaman' said he was 'deeply disappointed' in Trump for not being 'honorable'

Chansley was arrested three days after the insurrection on January 6 and charged with civil disorder, obstruction, and disorderly conduct. He has previously said he felt played by the former president and indicated interest in testifying during Trump's impeachment trial, which begins on Tuesday.

and

Watkins went on to describe the "process of unwinding" that his client had to go through while he was in police custody - which he likened to being deprogrammed from a cult.

Because it IS a cult.

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17 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

[ ... big snip for the sake of readability ... ]

Jan. 4: Miller issues a memo to Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy requiring Miller’s “personal authorization” for the DC National Guard to employ “riot control agents”

 

Also on Jan. 4: Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund asks the Senate and House sergeants at arms for permission to put the National Guard on emergency standby. They reject that idea

[ ... enormous snip ... ]

- DSK

 

It's right there, marked red, where the preparations from the highest level are passed forward to obstruct a proportionate response to the expected riot.

 

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29 minutes ago, Cristoforo said:

Holding someone accountable for their actions  (and crimes)  in the face of real physical harm and continuing threats is not cowardly 

I didn't say it was, it's that polarization thing again.  Many will see it that way, many won't.

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18 minutes ago, nolatom said:

I didn't say it was, it's that polarization thing again.  Many will see it that way, many won't.

Yes.  I was responding to the 'many' you referenced. 

I dont have their contact details so maybe you can pass it on?

 

 

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To make matters even more absurd, now Mark Meadows is out there saying Trump offered National Guard Storm Troopers to protect the capitol form the assault he stands accused of fomenting.

 

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11 minutes ago, Dog said:

To make matters even more absurd, now Mark Meadows is out there saying Trump offered National Guard Storm Troopers to protect the capitol form the assault he stands accused of fomenting.

 

Do you think his statement reflects the facts?

- DSK

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22 minutes ago, Dog said:

To make matters even more absurd, now Mark Meadows is out there saying Trump offered National Guard Storm Troopers to protect the capitol form the assault he stands accused of fomenting.

 

And who said no?

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His message appears to be that the R's will rise again and fuck the D's over.  It is torture trying to follow his thought process.  

What do you expect, he was the best that would work for Trump.  

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20 hours ago, Burning Man said:

If the opposing viewpoints are lies, then yes I would consider them lies.   Here, I'll show you how it works:

  • If your "opposing viewpoint" was that the moon landing was faked, then that is a lie. 
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the earth is flat, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that that COVID pandemic is a hoax or is "just the flu", then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that CA forest fires were started with jewish space lasers, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that 9/11 was an inside job, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the Holocaust never happened, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the South won the civil war, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the there is a secret cabal of cannibalistic child-eating pedophiles in pizza parlor basements and that Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are the leaders, then that is a lie.  
  • If your "opposing viewpoint" is that the election was stolen from trump despite the counts being certified by all 50 states and upheld at all levels of the judiciary (including many GOP appointed judges), then that is a lie.  

None of those are "interesting questions".  They are lies.  Period, dot.

 

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10 minutes ago, jzk said:

 

Pilosi was referring to Russian interference which misinformed the American public and may have caused people to vote differently that they may otherwise have voted.

Pilosi was not lying about the existence of a Deep state conspiracy whose operatives had created fraudulent ballots and thrown real ballots away. 
 

Your comparison is noted as an incompetent racing of a madman who has no idea about what he is writing 

 

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2 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

These guys are horrible.  You could "go back and impeach Jimmy Carter", uh no, Trump was impeached while President.  There's no November, December or January exemption to breaking the law.

What Senate Republicans are saying: "If you rob a bank and don't get to keep the money, and you only kill a measly 5 people, you cannot be punished for it."

- DSK

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1 hour ago, dacapo said:

What the fuck is this guy blathering about ?   

 

This is painful to listen to.

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16 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

That's true.  Hopefully 11 more are moved by something, anything 

Well, it won't be honour or shame. They threw that out the window over the last four years, if not the last four decades.

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It will be about being a player again or being left behind playing with themselves.

R's should not choose to be the party of Onan.

 

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54 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

Possibly the single most irellevent poem recitation ever.  But it had boats.

What a train wreck!! Are these Trumps top team??

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33 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

the six are old school republicans

  

the 46  took the pill

 That's true.  Hopefully 11 more are moved by something, anythin

That’s looking less likely by the day at the moment, especially if they fell for that!! 
too scared?  too corrupt? They can’t all be that stupid 

 

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6 minutes ago, Sean said:

Confirmed :

Donald Trump still owns the Republican Party. 

Indeed.  Those trashing His attorneys should note that the covered everything they needed to cover to avoid conviction and avoided the one thing they needed to avoid.  They pointed out that democrats impeached him and they didn't slip up and say that he was one. 

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36 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

That's true.  Hopefully 11 more are moved by something, anything 

 

Don't get your hopes up!  70 million whack jobs still follow their crazy Svengali, Trump....

 

Maybe he can take them all to Guyana and feed them some of Jim Jones Kool-Aid.....

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10 minutes ago, Sean said:

Confirmed :

Donald Trump still owns the Republican Party. 

Fucking depressing. 

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5 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Indeed.  Those trashing His attorneys should note that the covered everything they needed to cover to avoid conviction and avoided the one thing they needed to avoid.  They pointed out that democrats impeached him and they didn't slip up and say that he was one. 

Listening to those 2 nearly sent me to sleep, how often do jurors fall asleep listening to them day after day?

understand there’s no jury involved, but these guys are average at putting the point across. 

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3 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

 

Don't get your hopes up!  70 million whack jobs still follow their crazy Svengali, Trump....

 

Maybe he can take them all to Guyana and feed them some of Jim Jones Kool-Aid.....

Everyone is a whack job but you.

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Just now, mad said:

Fucking depressing. 

 

More than that!  When he walks away from the impeachment unscarred, his 70 million crazies will be emboldened anew!  Watch your backs, everybody!  Might be time to practice with my SS Mini-14 with the 20 round magazine, licensed by the state, 6 months before it became illegal to own in the state of CT....

 

 

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1 hour ago, Gouvernail said:

Pilosi was referring to Russian interference which misinformed the American public and may have caused people to vote differently that they may otherwise have voted.

Pilosi was not lying about the existence of a Deep state conspiracy whose operatives had created fraudulent ballots and thrown real ballots away. 
 

Your comparison is noted as an incompetent racing of a madman who has no idea about what he is writing 

 

She wants Congress to silence the Russians too?

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1 minute ago, jzk said:

Everyone is a whack job but you.

 

I suppose you were there at the Capitol, killing and maiming people, you sick fucker!!!

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2 minutes ago, jzk said:

She wants Congress to silence the Russians too?

 

you are a fucking whack job, onto ignore you go.  Go fuck yourself with a dead porcupine...

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Just now, billy backstay said:

 

I suppose you were there at the Capitol, killing and maiming people, you sick fucker!!!

Given your participation with the other delusional people on this forum, I am not surprised that you formulate your opinions based on absolutely no evidence at all.

I was sailing in Grenada right about then.

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Just now, billy backstay said:

 

you are a fucking whack job, onto ignore you go.  Go fuck yourself with a dead porcupine...

Interesting how you have to make a public proclamation of said ignoring.  Are you really sloop?  You aren't going to be stalking me, are you?

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4 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

 

More than that!  When he walks away from the impeachment unscarred, his 70 million crazies will be emboldened anew!  Watch your backs, everybody!  Might be time to practice with my SS Mini-14 with the 20 round magazine, licensed by the state, 6 months before it became illegal to own in the state of CT....

 

 

I’m glad I’m not in the US right now, the UK is no bundle of laughs either at the moment.  Seems like we’re hell bent on destruction as well.  

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3 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

 

you are a fucking whack job, onto ignore you go.  Go fuck yourself with a dead porcupine...

Thank fuck for that, one less person quoting the cunt. 

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8 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

 

you are a fucking whack job, onto ignore you go.  Go fuck yourself with a dead porcupine...

Welcome to the club.

You've chosen to ignore content by jzk. Options 

You've chosen to ignore content by jzk. Options 
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25 minutes ago, mad said:

What a train wreck!! Are these Trumps top team??

Only team.  Ambulance chasers and conspiracy theorists.  One of them actually sued tRump last year over his false claims of election fraud, thus harming his Republicunt client.  Really.

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4 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Only team.  Ambulance chasers and conspiracy theorists.  One of them actually sued tRump last year over his false claims of election fraud, thus harming his Republicunt client.  Really.

What’s the background of the second goon?  they didn’t put a card up on the screen for him on the live stream I watched. 

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44 minutes ago, mad said:

Thank fuck for that, one less person quoting the cunt. 

Don't say that, you'll get bus driver all bent out of shape and then twisting himself into a pretzel declaiming how he doesn't actually give a fuck...

FKT

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2 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Don't say that, you'll get bus driver all bent out of shape and then twisting himself into a pretzel declaiming how he doesn't actually give a fuck...

FKT

Oh, fuck off.  If you don't wanna see what someone says, scroll by.  It's not hard.

Or, better yet, put ME on ignore.  That way you don't have to damage your delicate nature with my "declaiming".

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8 minutes ago, mad said:

It’s going to be the State courts that clean this mess up with Trump and Co. 

When are they going to get off their asses and hand out some subpoenas?

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

When are they going to get off their asses and hand out some subpoenas?

Patience padawan.  Let's get through the impeachment and get Merrick Garland confirmed.  Which is definitely taking too long.  As someone else here said, death by 1000 cuts.

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

When are they going to get off their asses and hand out some subpoenas?

Zactly, I'm surprised Letitia isn't sitting in front of the fucker at a deposition as we speak.

Or are they just waiting for the Faux impeachment to finish before dropping the big hammer?

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