Don't MoveTo Florida

[Jules 2,851]

4 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/testing-sites/?display_map

I was referring to state supported testing sites.

[IStream 3,422]

1 hour ago, Jules said:

Don't forget Rick Scott. After making millions bilking the health care system, he moved to politics and enjoyed two terms as Florida governor and then got elected senator. 

I wasn't implying that Gaetz was your only shitty politician, just that he's a special kind of shitty. Scott's just the normal kind of shitty, albeit turned up to 11.

[Blue Crab 2,471]

I'll never love another FL politician.

[Jules 2,851]

40 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

I'll never love another FL politician.

I was born and raised in Chicago and lived there 64 years.  We always heard how Chicago and Illinois politicians are the most corrupt in the nation.  Five years in Florida has convinced me otherwise.

[Windward 673]

43 minutes ago, Jules said:

I was born and raised in Chicago and lived there 64 years.  We always heard how Chicago and Illinois politicians are the most corrupt in the nation.  Five years in Florida has convinced me otherwise.

What is better, corrupt or inept.

Either are problematic.  The former is just more predictable.  West coast cities have the inept title locked in.

If it weren't for the bugs (yes... insects), I think Florida has a lot going for it.

Sure there is a windy day here and there, but FloridaMan is all over the planet.  The USA just does a fantastic job of trotting him out on display for the world to enjoy on YouTube.

[Not for nothing 505]

Just talk to some fellow boaters , and it seems termites love Balsa core?

[SloopJonB 12,631]

2 hours ago, Jules said:

I was born and raised in Chicago and lived there 64 years.  We always heard how Chicago and Illinois politicians are the most corrupt in the nation.  Five years in Florida has convinced me otherwise.

Political corruption in Floriduh has been a theme for novelists as long as I can remember.

[Jules 2,851]

I read in the local paper today, we are experiencing a serious crime spree.

PUNTA GORDA — For some residents in Punta Gorda, theft of fruit from their trees is becoming more and more of a problem in their neighborhoods.

In Punta Gorda Isles — a mostly waterfront community in the city — the unauthorized harvesting has gotten so bad that some homeowners are opting to cut down their trees to prevent strangers from stealing, according to PGI resident Roland Ziegler.

“We have a mango, an avocado, a starfruit, an orange tree, plus some pineapples,” Ziegler wrote in a recent letter to the Sun. “The theft of our fruits have been increasing in the last years.”

 

I suppose it should have also been mentioned rats are attracted to fruit, too.  That's what stopped us from planting a much needed margarita lime tree.

[Blue Crab 2,471]

11 minutes ago, Jules said:

I suppose it should have also been mentioned rats are attracted to fruit, too.  That's what stopped us from planting a much needed margarita lime tree.

Raetz

[SloopJonB 12,631]

Perfect "get offa my lawn" - cut them down rather than let people have the fruit.

Had a similar situation where I grew up - a shortcut through an apple orchard cut several hundred yards off the uphill climb walking home when I was a kid.

Naturally a few apples got eaten along the footpath.

The owner spent untold $thousands to install an 8' chain link fence around the orchard to keep people from cutting across.

Being an asshole can be expensive.

[Fat Point Jack 291]

The old guy in our neighborhood, we nicknamed, Crabby Appleton.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

On 10/7/2020 at 7:48 AM, Jules said:

On 10/7/2020 at 3:44 AM, Quotidian Tom said:

https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/testing-sites/?display_map

I was referring to state supported testing sites.

Perhaps saying what you meant or providing a source would have been a good idea.

You can get tested for free at CVS in PG, among other places. Looks like the private sector is doing way more than government again.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

16 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Perfect "get offa my lawn" - cut them down rather than let people have the fruit.

Had a similar situation where I grew up - a shortcut through an apple orchard cut several hundred yards off the uphill climb walking home when I was a kid.

Naturally a few apples got eaten along the footpath.

The owner spent untold $thousands to install an 8' chain link fence around the orchard to keep people from cutting across.

Being an asshole can be expensive.

Aww, pity that trespassing thieves aren't better tolerated by property owners, huh?

[Ed Lada 5,146]

8 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

Aww, pity that trespassing thieves aren't better tolerated by property owners, huh?

Feeling a little crabby there Tom?   

 

When I was a teen the back yard of our house ended on a golf course.  It was about 300' from the back of the house to the course.  We had some fruit trees back there, apples, pears, plums and peaches.  The peaches were incredibly good, especially given the cold climate on the Lake Erie shoreline in NW PA.  One summer day, the 2 or 3 peach trees, which weren't very big., were laden with nice, sweet, ripe peaches.  It was a nice summer Sunday and we were going to the beach for a picnic, and left in the mid morning.  When we came home in the early evening, there wasn't a peach left on any of the trees.  We figure the golfers coming off of the 16th green and heading to the 17th tee, saw the peaches and couldn't resist.  Maybe some of the earlier golfers left word in the clubhouse about it.  

We are a little miffed for a few minutes and then we just laughed about it and we knew the golfers had to have enjoyed the peaches.  

We lived in that house many more  years and never put up a fence, no signs, and we cut the peach trees down some years later because they died.  

 

@Jules  We never had a rat problem, in spite of a lot of apples lying on the ground in the fall.  We did have a German Shepard problem with the apples though.  Our Sheppard loved to eat the half rotten apples lying on the ground.  She ate as many as she could get away with.  With the expected result, usually in the cellar of our house.  It wasn't pleasant.

[Jules 2,851]

On 10/8/2020 at 1:32 PM, SloopJonB said:

Perfect "get offa my lawn" - cut them down rather than let people have the fruit.

Had a similar situation where I grew up - a shortcut through an apple orchard cut several hundred yards off the uphill climb walking home when I was a kid.

Naturally a few apples got eaten along the footpath.

The owner spent untold $thousands to install an 8' chain link fence around the orchard to keep people from cutting across.

Being an asshole can be expensive.

Imagine of the "stolen fruit" is being picked by people who simply hungry.  It's not like we're in the greatest employment expansion in the history of the world, so it's possible. 

[Jules 2,851]

Sports Fans Can Pack Florida Stadiums to Full Capacity Due to DeSantis Ruling

Earlier this week, Governor Ron DeSantis lifted attendance restrictions at sporting events in the Sunshine State as part of Phase 3 of Florida’s re-opening amid the COVID-19 crisis.

That means venues in the state, including the stadiums of three NFL teams and many college football teams, can be packed to full capacity.

[IStream 3,422]

At this point, it's not freedom, just natural selection.

[SloopJonB 12,631]

2 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

11 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

Aww, pity that trespassing thieves aren't better tolerated by property owners, huh?

Feeling a little crabby there Tom?   

Dogballs sounds like he'd get along fine with the owner I referred to.

[SloopJonB 12,631]

2 hours ago, Jules said:

Sports Fans Can Pack Florida Stadiums to Full Capacity Due to DeSantis Ruling

Earlier this week, Governor Ron DeSantis lifted attendance restrictions at sporting events in the Sunshine State as part of Phase 3 of Florida’s re-opening amid the COVID-19 crisis.

That means venues in the state, including the stadiums of three NFL teams and many college football teams, can be packed to full capacity.

Maybe you can fix stupid.

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,242]

34 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Maybe you can fix stupid.

As I've said - some of us can learn from the experiences and recorded data from others, many have to learn by personal experience.

And if they don't survive the learning experience event, the average population IQ ticks up a tad.

Evolution is a bitch and keeps on working away.

FKT

[Grande Mastere Dreade 4,171]

1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

Maybe you can fix stupid.

we can only hope..

[bridhb 920]

6 hours ago, Jules said:

Sports Fans Can Pack Florida Stadiums to Full Capacity Due to DeSantis Ruling

Earlier this week, Governor Ron DeSantis lifted attendance restrictions at sporting events in the Sunshine State as part of Phase 3 of Florida’s re-opening amid the COVID-19 crisis.

That means venues in the state, including the stadiums of three NFL teams and many college football teams, can be packed to full capacity.

I read something where the Miami Dolphins are limiting the attendance to their games even though the idiot DeSantis opened it all up.  I could be wrong.  Jacksonville Jaguars are so crappy that no one goes, problem solved.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

15 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

23 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

Aww, pity that trespassing thieves aren't better tolerated by property owners, huh?

Feeling a little crabby there Tom?   

 

When I was a teen the back yard of our house ended on a golf course.  It was about 300' from the back of the house to the course.  We had some fruit trees back there, apples, pears, plums and peaches.  The peaches were incredibly good, especially given the cold climate on the Lake Erie shoreline in NW PA.  One summer day, the 2 or 3 peach trees, which weren't very big., were laden with nice, sweet, ripe peaches.  It was a nice summer Sunday and we were going to the beach for a picnic, and left in the mid morning.  When we came home in the early evening, there wasn't a peach left on any of the trees.  We figure the golfers coming off of the 16th green and heading to the 17th tee, saw the peaches and couldn't resist.  Maybe some of the earlier golfers left word in the clubhouse about it.  

We are a little miffed for a few minutes and then we just laughed about it and we knew the golfers had to have enjoyed the peaches.  

I just don't view my fruit trees as invitations to trespass and steal.

[Blue Crab 2,471]

That's going to get worse before it gets better.

[hasher 1,104]

Fruit trees beautify the world.  I get it if you have an occupation growing and selling, no one gets it free without your say so.  But there are many fruit trees that are a gift to the neighborhood.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

18 hours ago, hasher said:

Fruit trees beautify the world.  I get it if you have an occupation growing and selling, no one gets it free without your say so.  But there are many fruit trees that are a gift to the neighborhood.

I think of a gift as something freely given by the owner, like this:

On 6/26/2020 at 8:35 AM, Quotidian Tom said:

The old section of Fat Point east of US 41 was once a big mango grove and many of the old trees survive. One tree provides way more than any household needs, resulting in a gooey mess that attracts insects and squirrels. To prevent this, people just put boxes out by the street that say FREE on them.

Wandering onto private property and taking what you want isn't receiving a gift. It's stealing.

Unless you have standing permission, that is. One of our neighbors was being a bit too respectful of private property rights in the past. We told him over and over that he can come pick tangelos any time but he would always call and ask. He had a knack for calling and asking just as my wife was deeply into some complex computer code, breaking her train of thought. Finally she said to him, "If you EVER call and ask again, the answer will be NO! Come and take what you want without bothering me!" He did, and all was well.

When I cut a stalk like this one:

There's no way my wife and I are going to eat all of those before they go bad. I tour around the neighborhood giving them away.

[Blue Crab 2,471]

As usual Tom is not quite incorrect but again has presented the situation like a dick. The cure for that is a moat and a wall with snipers. I'd imagine the neighbors would be happy to pony up the expense to keep Tom at home eating rotting bananas. It's FL not Mexico. 

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

On 10/11/2020 at 7:56 AM, Blue Crab said:

As usual Tom is not quite incorrect but again has presented the situation like a dick. The cure for that is a moat and a wall with snipers. I'd imagine the neighbors would be happy to pony up the expense to keep Tom at home eating rotting bananas. It's FL not Mexico. 

I don't know a nicer way to talk about fruit thieves. I see this:

On 10/8/2020 at 1:32 PM, SloopJonB said:

Had a similar situation where I grew up - a shortcut through an apple orchard cut several hundred yards off the uphill climb walking home when I was a kid.

Naturally a few apples got eaten along the footpath.

The owner spent untold $thousands to install an 8' chain link fence around the orchard to keep people from cutting across.

Being an asshole can be expensive.

And I read, "our persistent trespassing and stealing caused a farmer to have to invest in a fence. What an asshole!"

I think that gets the "who is an asshole" answer exactly backwards.

If you want fruit from an orchard or a yard, ask permission and/or offer to help to produce it, assholes.

[Ed Lada 5,146]

6 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

I don't know a nicer way to talk about fruit thieves. I see this:

And I read, "our persistent trespassing and stealing caused a farmer to have to invest in a fence. What an asshole!"

I think that gets the "who is an asshole" answer exactly backwards.

If you want fruit from an orchard or a yard, ask permission and/or offer to help to produce it, assholes.

Huh.  Some libertarian you are.

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,242]

2 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

Huh.  Some libertarian you are.

He's a fine exemplar of a modern libertarian. "Fuck you I've got mine"

FKT

[hobot 4,434]

Have the pitfalls of Florida's cousin, Alabama, been discussed?

https://www.wbrz.com/news/child-in-custody-after-wild-stolen-school-bus-joy-ride-see-images-video/

[More Cowbell2 384]

12 minutes ago, hobot said:

Have the pitfalls of Florida's cousin, Alabama, been discussed?

https://www.wbrz.com/news/child-in-custody-after-wild-stolen-school-bus-joy-ride-see-images-video/

There were 10 -12 police cars chasing him?  Reminds me of the scene in Blues Brothers.

 

[Snaggletooth 5,201]

16 minutes ago, hobot said:

Have the pitfalls of Florida's cousin, Alabama,  Loiusianna been discussed?

https://www.wbrz.com/news/child-in-custody-after-wild-stolen-school-bus-joy-ride-see-images-video/

Hese the nexte Rickey Bobbey!                               

[hobot 4,434]

Ah dang, you got to cut me some slack Snaggs, I'm out of my element here.

[Jules 2,851]

On 10/11/2020 at 4:09 AM, Quotidian Tom said:

There's no way my wife and I are going to eat all of those before they go bad. I tour around the neighborhood giving them away.

Why not donate them to a food bank or some other facility that helps the needy? 

[dolphinmaster 166]

49 minutes ago, Jules said:

Why not donate them to a food bank or some other facility that helps the needy? 

Wow,  high standards of self righteousness going on round here.  What a great way to create community and build goodwill among his neighbors.  How do you know some of his neighbors aren't needy in ways you haven't considered?

[MR.CLEAN 4,187]

28 minutes ago, dolphinmaster said:

How do you know some of his neighbors aren't needy in ways you haven't considered?

for instance?

[dolphinmaster 166]

2 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

for instance?

Maybe there is someone's grandma near by who is usually a consistent volunteer, social worker, food prepper/cook,  etc,  at the local homeless shelter but due to a family death etc. she is too depressed to leave the house.  Then out of the blue Tom shows up with bananas to share, goodwill is reactivated and off she goes back to her volunteer work etc.   

use your imagination on how goodwill can spread or not, 

[Blue Crab 2,471]

It's not really about the fruit. It's the trespass. Between wives I always move back aboard. I cannot tolerate rudeness. Too bad the Gadsden flag has been co-opted because I sure agree with the sentiment.

[Grande Mastere Dreade 4,171]

6 hours ago, Jules said:

Why not donate them to a food bank or some other facility that helps the needy? 

we skin 'em and freeze them up, make smoothies out of 'em... 

[Grog 790]

In our more rural areas there are a lot of freely accessible groves, most of them with old trees and fruits. These have been outshadowed by modern "industrial" species and those are usually heavily sprayed with insecticides too. Interestingly, in the past few years a lot of people started to feel there was something missing: the taste and texture of naturally grown, "organic" if you will, fruit (and bread and eggs and meat, but that's a different story).

Of course, simply entering even unfenced property to collect some apples is not the right thing to do, we agree on that. At the same time, many owners of those groves were getting too old or couldn't be bothered to invest the time and labour to cultivate and harvest their trees and bushes, partly because the market prices do not justify the work.

Two years or so ago, a simple and elegant solution as was found: Tie some yellow ribbons to the trees that are free for all. And it works! There is little to no waste anymore, people get some of the nicest fruit for free (and are even free to sell them), trees get cut and cultivated by volunteers. Win-win all around.

Please read this as a humble proposal how to handle excess crops without cutting own the trees.

 

[Ed Lada 5,146]

7 hours ago, hobot said:

Have the pitfalls of Florida's cousin, Alabama, been discussed?

https://www.wbrz.com/news/child-in-custody-after-wild-stolen-school-bus-joy-ride-see-images-video/

"Police added that the 11-year-old was seen flipping his middle finger to officers as he drove past them."

You gotta kinda admire the kid's spirit.  11 years old FFS!  

6 hours ago, More Cowbell2 said:

There were 10 -12 police cars chasing him?  Reminds me of the scene in Blues Brothers.

 

I was thinking it must have been a real slow day for the cops to have that many cars chasing a school bus.  The overabundance of police cars probably created a bigger traffic hazard than the kid in the bus.

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,242]

10 hours ago, Blue Crab said:

It's not really about the fruit. It's the trespass. Between wives I always move back aboard. I cannot tolerate rudeness.

Yeah this. We used to have 'free campers' coming and staying a day or 2 on private land outside our back gate and on a line to our access to the waterfront. One day we got a mouthful about going through their camp which was right on the walking track used by all the locals. Stupid and selfish place to camp, which is what they got told. There's always one, we let it go.

A few months later I was away in the Southern Ocean and my GF hears the water pump kick on early one morning - we're on tank water from rainfall. Thinking a pipe had fractured she went out to check and found a person had driven up from the back gate and was filling all his water cans at our tank. When she told him off for it, his reply was that the water fell from the sky, it was free and he didn't plan on stopping. GF is 5'1" tall, slim, not an intimidating figure.

She turned off the circuit breaker, told him the water might be free from the sky but the pump wasn't, nor was the electricity or the storage tank and to get off of the property as he was trespassing, threatened to call the cops if he didn't leave now. In return she got some abuse and threats.

Problem for the campers was, they were on land owned by the local Tasmanian Land Council and we're on very good terms with them. She rang the caretaker and 30 minutes later a 4 door utility turns up with 5 big blokes in it and campers got escorted off of the place. Shortly after a locked gate got installed on the back road. Been 12 years now, no random people camping there.

If they'd come to the house, knocked and asked for water, we would have said yes as we'd done in the past. The actual water wasn't the issue.

Moral - it only takes one or 2 arseholes to cause a pushback. No doubt those people still think that we're the arseholes for what we did. I'm OK with that.

So if you're someone who thinks that it's just fine to take a shortcut without permission through another person's place and help yourself to their fruit as you go, perhaps the person causing the fences and gates is - you.

FKT

[hobot 4,434]

Sounds like entitlement is a world wide problem!

[SloopJonB 12,631]

Some people don't seem to be able to make a distinction between schoolchildren taking a shortcut through an orchard in farm country and motorhomers 1/2 way moving in.

[dalenz 20]

Here in NZ we live north of Auckland and temp is similar to Florida. Lots of commercial citrus but also large numbers of homes have trees laden with fruit. You can call a group that sends volunteers to pick the fruit and then hand on to shipping companies will carry it free for distribution to folks in the South Island where its to cold for them to grow

Just for size comparison as NZ should be reversed.

[Jules 2,851]

27 minutes ago, dalenz said:

Here in NZ we live north of Auckland and temp is similar to Florida. Lots of commercial citrus but also large numbers of homes have trees laden with fruit. You can call a group that sends volunteers to pick the fruit and then hand on to shipping companies will carry it free for distribution to folks in the South Island where its to cold for them to grow

Just for size comparison as NZ should be reversed.

Here in the US we don't share because it may mean someone will expect you to be nice to them again. 

[jhc 173]

1 hour ago, Jules said:

Here in the Florida we don't share because it may mean someone will expect you to be nice to them again. 

FIFY

Please don't include the rest of US in your angst!

[Ishmael 10,659]

10 hours ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

we skin 'em and freeze them up, make smoothies out of 'em... 

We do that to the Jehovah Witnesses, but with the Covid they are getting rare.

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,242]

2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Some people don't seem to be able to make a distinction between schoolchildren taking a shortcut through an orchard in farm country and motorhomers 1/2 way moving in.

Yeah maybe. At what point does it become a PITA though? I can make the distinction just fine - wonder how many of those kids grew up thinking it was OK to cut across someone else's place without asking.

FWIW we give away a shit-ton of fruit every year. Plus surplus eggs etc. GF likes growing stuff and is good at it. We keep on planting more fruit trees. But it's our decision to give it away not some random stranger's decision to take them without permission.

FKT

[SloopJonB 12,631]

21 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

We do that to the Jehovah Witnesses, but with the Covid they are getting rare.

I prefer mine well done.

[SloopJonB 12,631]

10 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Yeah maybe. At what point does it become a PITA though? I can make the distinction just fine - wonder how many of those kids grew up thinking it was OK to cut across someone else's place without asking.

I would venture exactly none.

I guess you had to be there to understand the situation.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

19 hours ago, Jules said:

Why not donate them to a food bank or some other facility that helps the needy? 

I have done that but it's way up in Murdock. I had a friend who went that way regularly who would bring them for me but she moved away.

 

7 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

A few months later I was away in the Southern Ocean and my GF hears the water pump kick on early one morning - we're on tank water from rainfall. Thinking a pipe had fractured she went out to check and found a person had driven up from the back gate and was filling all his water cans at our tank. When she told him off for it, his reply was that the water fell from the sky, it was free and he didn't plan on stopping. GF is 5'1" tall, slim, not an intimidating figure.

She turned off the circuit breaker, told him the water might be free from the sky but the pump wasn't, nor was the electricity or the storage tank and to get off of the property as he was trespassing, threatened to call the cops if he didn't leave now. In return she got some abuse and threats.

She sounds like a fine exemplar of a modern libertarian. "Fuck you I've got mine"

Or maybe, "fuck you if you just want to take mine without asking." Either way I approve.

[slap 994]

10 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Some people don't seem to be able to make a distinction between schoolchildren taking a shortcut through an orchard in farm country and motorhomers 1/2 way moving in.

Could be that there were more people than just schoolchildren who were coming into the orchard and taking some fruit.

[Jules 2,851]

1 hour ago, slap said:

12 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Some people don't seem to be able to make a distinction between schoolchildren taking a shortcut through an orchard in farm country and motorhomers 1/2 way moving in.

Could be that there were more people than just schoolchildren who were coming into the orchard and taking some fruit.

Yes.  It could have been the tired, the poor, the huddled masses, the wretched refuse, the homeless...

[Blue Crab 2,471]

11 hours ago, Jules said:

Here in the US we don't share because it may mean someone will expect you to be nice to them again. 

"Once is a habit."

[Snaggletooth 5,201]

10 hours ago, Ishmael said:

21 hours ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

we skin 'em and freeze them up, make smoothies out of 'em... 

We do that to the Jehovah Witnesses, but with the Covid they are getting rare.

Holley Porke Choppe Battman!                                         

[SloopJonB 12,631]

3 hours ago, slap said:

Could be that there were more people than just schoolchildren who were coming into the orchard and taking some fruit.

No, it couldn't.

As I said, I guess you had to be there to understand the situation.

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,242]

6 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

No, it couldn't.

As I said, I guess you had to be there to understand the situation.

Yeah look, school kids - mostly they get a pass IMO. Not like I never did any of that sort of shit myself at that age...

It's the same old story. One person or a small number is rarely a problem, just like tossing one can into the street or flushing a single turd into the anchorage isn't a problem. It's when it escalates from there that things become a problem.

We're thinking of planting some extra fruit trees for the wildlife - the wallabies clean up all the windfall apples, plums etc now as do the native hens. Could plant trees along the back fence line I suppose. The locals walking by would be welcome to the fruit.

FKT

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,242]

14 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

I have done that but it's way up in Murdock. I had a friend who went that way regularly who would bring them for me but she moved away.

 

She sounds like a fine exemplar of a modern libertarian. "Fuck you I've got mine"

Or maybe, "fuck you if you just want to take mine without asking." Either way I approve.

If they wanted 'free' water there was an entire bay of salt water available, or fresh water in the dam. Might have had a few extras in it but hey, it was free rainfall runoff.

Clean water is expensive.

FKT

[Snaggletooth 5,201]

14 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Clean water is expensive.

FKT

Kinda dependes whearre you our..........                           

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,242]

1 hour ago, Snaggletooth said:

Kinda dependes whearre you our..........                           

True - no people around, little/no animal life and no nasty minerals in the water and you're golden. Drink from the streams...

FKT

[Ishmael 10,659]

3 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

True - no people around, little/no animal life and no nasty minerals in the water and you're golden. Drink from the streams...

FKT

Upstream from the animal life.

[ancientseawolf 75]

8 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Upstream from the animal life.

Always a good place to be

[Jules 2,851]

On 10/9/2020 at 5:46 PM, SloopJonB said:

On 10/9/2020 at 3:11 PM, Jules said:

Earlier this week, Governor Ron DeSantis lifted attendance restrictions at sporting events in the Sunshine State as part of Phase 3 of Florida’s re-opening amid the COVID-19 crisis.

That means venues in the state, including the stadiums of three NFL teams and many college football teams, can be packed to full capacity.

Maybe you can fix stupid.

I read in the local paper that Charlotte County had one of its best summer tourism years.  The gov's open 'er up orders was noted as one of the major reasons why.

[No Bargers 30]

According to the  Covid Act Now website Florida is doing better than than quite a few other states including Illinois.

Florida

https://covidactnow.org/us/fl?s=1154277

Illinois

https://covidactnow.org/us/il?s=1154277

[IStream 3,422]

You can't trust the numbers from Florida. The fired the people putting out the info.

[SloopJonB 12,631]

I wouldn't trust any Republican numbers.

About anything.

[Grande Mastere Dreade 4,171]

2 hours ago, No Bargers said:

According to the  Covid Act Now website Florida is doing better than than quite a few other states including Illinois.

Florida

https://covidactnow.org/us/fl?s=1154277

Illinois

https://covidactnow.org/us/il?s=1154277

hopkins says othewise,   Miami -Dade one of the counties for infections

 

[Jules 2,851]

2 hours ago, IStream said:

You can't trust the numbers from Florida. The fired the people putting out the info.

The gov took over the numbers.  They immediately dropped.  Just a coincidence, though.

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yes, the state of florida's numbers are bullshit.  look at the Hopkins data:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-positivity-rate-florida-explainer-20201014-tfho3kvw7jaabmlv2d7gwndgii-story.html#nt=tertiarynavbar&nt=ticker

 

[Jkdubz808 464]

I'm just baffled there are 12 pages of this thread.

 

12 pages....

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

20 hours ago, Jules said:

I read in the local paper that Charlotte County had one of its best summer tourism years.

Heh. "Summer tourism" is a funny oxymoron. Summer is when anyone who can afford to leave does so.

[Not for nothing 505]

11 hours ago, Jkdubz808 said:

I'm just baffled there are 12 pages of this thread.

 

12 pages....

ONLY 12 thought by now there would be 100's

Oh did I mention HOA's suck , 

[Blue Crab 2,471]

19 hours ago, Jkdubz808 said:

I'm just baffled there are 12 pages of this thread.

 

12 pages....

• In Florida, 8% of the overall voting-age population can't vote because of criminal records.
• And pythons

[Jkdubz808 464]

7 hours ago, Blue Crab said:

• In Florida, 8% of the overall voting-age population can't vote because of criminal records.
• And pythons

The first part was put to a vote, which passed unanimously amongst the voters, then the state government said 'weellllll...according to this fine print they really can't.......so yeah'

 

Pricks

15 hours ago, Not for nothing said:

ONLY 12 thought by now there would be 100's

Oh did I mention HOA's suck , 

There are certainly issues enough for hundreds of pages, like the Lake Okeechobee discharges causing nasty algae blooms again, and heading down your way.

[Jkdubz808 464]

Jesus christ Tom, you quoted me from here in PA.  I saw the notification of the quote and clicked on it NOT NOTICING it said in PA and not GA.  IT FUCKING TOOK ME DOWN THERE!  TO PA, TOM!!  

 

Fuck me I need a shower now, but I am not off watch for another 11 hours AND a COVID 19 test before I can shower.......

[Gissie 1,758]

5 hours ago, Jkdubz808 said:

Jesus christ Tom, you quoted me from here in PA.  I saw the notification of the quote and clicked on it NOT NOTICING it said in PA and not GA.  IT FUCKING TOOK ME DOWN THERE!  TO PA, TOM!!  

 

Fuck me I need a shower now, but I am not off watch for another 11 hours AND a COVID 19 test before I can shower.......

You'll be fine with the test, Covid can't survive PA.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

7 hours ago, Jkdubz808 said:

Jesus christ Tom, you quoted me from here in PA.  I saw the notification of the quote and clicked on it NOT NOTICING it said in PA and not GA.  IT FUCKING TOOK ME DOWN THERE!  TO PA, TOM!!  

 

Fuck me I need a shower now, but I am not off watch for another 11 hours AND a COVID 19 test before I can shower.......

I reply in the thread that seems most relevant. Your post was political and there's a thread on that exact topic, so I replied in it. If you read my reply before freaking out, you also now know your post was incorrect, so you're welcome.

[Blue Crab 2,471]

2 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

I reply in the thread that seems most relevant. Your post was political and there's a thread on that exact topic, so I replied in it. If you read my reply before freaking out, you also now know your post was incorrect, so you're welcome.

And Tom, with nothing better to do, keeps tabs on all threads/forums with his extensive database of his own posts. He gives new meaning to "mark my words..." Where is Jocal when we need him?

[Bristol-Cruiser 1,375]

On 9/17/2020 at 11:38 AM, IStream said:

My wife and I are both children of immigrants who inherited their work ethic. Our kids, despite our best efforts, have not. In grappling with this fact, I've sort of come to realize that it's a feature, not a bug. Or maybe both.

Our parents came here looking for opportunity and a better life and knew they'd have to bust ass to get it. However, they also hoped their kids and grandkids and later generations would be able to build on what they've done to have it easier.

My teenage son may very well become a musician, which would be a recipe for financial insecurity if he didn't have the resources he'll likely inherit from me, assuming no financial catastrophies in the mean time.

His career choice will enrich the county's culture, where mine added incrementally to our country's scientific strength, but both are important.

The key thing in my mind is that the country needs to keep bringing in immigrants. Those new generations are almost by definition the most motivated, hard working people in the world. They are our secret weapon for global leadership. 

Catching up on this thread. I very much agree with your comments. Similar thoughts from John Adams, that John Adams, not from the perspective of Immigrants but people starting a new country.

I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.

[MR.CLEAN 4,187]

43 minutes ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

Catching up on this thread. I very much agree with your comments. Similar thoughts from John Adams, that John Adams, not from the perspective of Immigrants but people starting a new country.

 I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.

Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

Not accurate, but pop media loves it.

[Jules 2,851]

On 10/18/2020 at 1:30 AM, Jkdubz808 said:

The first part was put to a vote, which passed unanimously amongst the voters, then the state government said 'weellllll...according to this fine print they really can't.......so yeah'

Only there was no fine print.  They just made shit up so they wouldn't get voted out of office. 

40th in income.  Politicians who undermine the will of the people.  A governor working hard to kill as many people as possible.  And the Republicans are gold here.  I don't get the attraction to masochism. 

[Ed Lada 5,146]

1 hour ago, Jules said:

Only there was no fine print.  They just made shit up so they wouldn't get voted out of office. 

40th in income.  Politicians who undermine the will of the people.  A governor working hard to kill as many people as possible.  And the Republicans are gold here.  I don't get the attraction to masochism. 

Republicans seem to be afraid of many things.  Taxes, minorities, education, intelligence, God, the list goes on and on.

I think the real rational fear and discomfort people live with every day is easier to deal with because it's tangible and recognizable, and for the most part, survivable obviously. 

Now fear of the unknown, that's what produces a bunch of irrational thoughts and behavior.  Ironically, the irrational things that people spend huge amounts of time and energy fretting about rarely happen.  It's the shit you never saw coming or imagined would be possible that sneaks up behind you and whacks you a good one.

[Not for nothing 505]

52 minutes ago, Ed Lada said:

Republicans seem to be afraid of many things.  Taxes, minorities, education, intelligence, God, the list goes on and on.

I think the real rational fear and discomfort people live with every day is easier to deal with because it's tangible and recognizable, and for the most part, survivable obviously. 

Now fear of the unknown, that's what produces a bunch of irrational thoughts and behavior.  Ironically, the irrational things that people spend huge amounts of time and energy fretting about rarely happen.  It's the shit you never saw coming or imagined would be possible that sneaks up behind you and whacks you a good one.

It seems the republicans (Trumpers)want to  back to the 50's, Women knew there place either in bed or kitchen . different color people knew there places, in the fields of dishwashers, "don't believe in science", no women in corporations at the top, ,everyone in the boxes rebu's verses dem's . and don't think out of the your box , or have different views, and to me the most important Fuck mother earth and pollute the shit out of it all for greed!