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1 hour ago, Jules said:

I wish.  But it seems the majority of people here love politicians who preach fear, intolerance, anger and hatred.

When I talk to them and say what a good job the GOPer's are doing , I ask them how the clean up on Lake O is doing,

Some don't even know it's polluted, 

WTF =Welcome To Florida

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Just now, Not for nothing said:

When I talk to them and say what a good job the GOPer's are doing , I ask them how the clean up on Lake O is doing,

Some don't even know it's polluted, 

WTF =Welcome To Florida

Ignorance is the fundamental aspect of a right wing mindset.

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On 5/20/2021 at 3:56 AM, Jules said:

There's a new sign code that looks likely to be voted into the land development regulations that could turn Punta Gorda into Pottersville. 

The new code will allow up to four signs on residential properties.  Signs can be as large as 24 square feet.

We will be at the mercy of advertisers and people who can't stop letting the world know what they are thinking.

as an UP-Side

for those wanting a screen from the street or a neighbor

above and beyond whatever fence/wall you are allowed

4 signs with a pic of trees/flowers or ???

would allow 96sq' of screening previously banned

= Make LemonAid

if you live in a land of 30' high houses, you could place a sign blocking view into your house from your neighbors window

or some other view

 

 

no matter what still better than moving to Kalifornia

unless you need to pack nothing 1st

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2 hours ago, DA-WOODY said:

4 signs with a pic of trees/flowers or ???

would allow 96sq' of screening previously banned

That reminds me...   Years ago we wanted to put one of those triangle sun screens on posts over the front entry of the house but the building department said "NO WAY!" 

Maybe we can get 96 sq/ft of flags (one can be a BLM flag, the second a Pride flag, the third a satanic flag and the fourth the flag of Mexico) and make that our sun screen. 

That should work.

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I went to get my new license plate stickers yesterday.  I was then told I had a toll road delinquency.

"How could that be?  I have a Sun Pass?"

"I don't know but you can call them."  Then she gave me a sheet of paper and told me to come back after it's taken care of.  "I can't do it here because our system is down." 

So I go outside and take out my phone to call them.  The automated responder tells me to enter the "reference number".  I look at the sheet of paper the lady gave me.  No reference number.  

I call again to talk to a human and get this:  "Our system is overloaded and waits will be much longer than normal."  I try several other ways to pay the tolls but every time they ask for a reference number.  They have my license plate number but they NEED that fucking reference number.  I'm trying to give them money.  Why do they need a FUCKING REFERENCE NUMBER!?!?!

After waiting for quite a while my phone tells me the battery is almost dead.  

I head home and see if I can logon to pay the tolls but apparently I don't have an account.  That's when I realize Florida has two different toll pass companies, apparently privately owned.  The fees owed are to E-Pass, not Sun Pass, like I have.

With my phone on charge I make another call.  I can now be on hold forever.  Right after the automated announcement, a woman picks up the call.  I asked why my Sun Pass didn't work on their tolls.  "I don't know.  You'll have to cal them."

"But it was your system that didn't accept Sun Pass.  I thought Sun Pass was good for all of Florida."

"It is.  It should have worked.  You'll have to call them."

Frustrated, I pay the tolls and ask her to fax proof the tolls are paid to our local DMV.  "Their system is down so they need this faxed.  She tells me when it's done.

I return to the DMV and am immediately sent to a booth.  (That was nice I didn't have to wait.) 

The lady at the booth tells me she doesn't see they received the fax.  But I have a printout from E-Pass that shows the tolls are paid.  So she gets up looking for the fax, from one fax machine to another.  Then she goes into some office and comes out with an older lady.  When she returns to the booth she says we're good to go.

I pay for the sticker with a check (their system is down statewide and they can't accept credit cards.)  And I hand the lady the check.

She asks, "Can I see a driver's license for the check?"

And here I thought I was at the DMV.

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

I went to get my new license plate stickers yesterday.  I was then told I had a toll road delinquency.

"How could that be?  I have a Sun Pass?"

"I don't know but you can call them."  Then she gave me a sheet of paper and told me to come back after it's taken care of.  "I can't do it here because our system is down." 

So I go outside and take out my phone to call them.  The automated responder tells me to enter the "reference number".  I look at the sheet of paper the lady gave me.  No reference number.  

I call again to talk to a human and get this:  "Our system is overloaded and waits will be much longer than normal."  I try several other ways to pay the tolls but every time they ask for a reference number.  They have my license plate number but they NEED that fucking reference number.  I'm trying to give them money.  Why do they need a FUCKING REFERENCE NUMBER!?!?!

After waiting for quite a while my phone tells me the battery is almost dead.  

I head home and see if I can logon to pay the tolls but apparently I don't have an account.  That's when I realize Florida has two different toll pass companies, apparently privately owned.  The fees owed are to E-Pass, not Sun Pass, like I have.

With my phone on charge I make another call.  I can now be on hold forever.  Right after the automated announcement, a woman picks up the call.  I asked why my Sun Pass didn't work on their tolls.  "I don't know.  You'll have to cal them."

"But it was your system that didn't accept Sun Pass.  I thought Sun Pass was good for all of Florida."

"It is.  It should have worked.  You'll have to call them."

Frustrated, I pay the tolls and ask her to fax proof the tolls are paid to our local DMV.  "Their system is down so they need this faxed.  She tells me when it's done.

I return to the DMV and am immediately sent to a booth.  (That was nice I didn't have to wait.) 

The lady at the booth tells me she doesn't see they received the fax.  But I have a printout from E-Pass that shows the tolls are paid.  So she gets up looking for the fax, from one fax machine to another.  Then she goes into some office and comes out with an older lady.  When she returns to the booth she says we're good to go.

I pay for the sticker with a check (their system is down statewide and they can't accept credit cards.)  And I hand the lady the check.

She asks, "Can I see a driver's license for the check?"

And here I thought I was at the DMV.

My fun with Florida DMV: I lost my Maryland license. The Maryland MVA would not mail me a new license, I had to show up in person to get another one.  The Florida DMV could look up that I had a Maryland license, but were not about to give me a license without me having the old one physically present. I had to leave, come back, pretend I had never had a license, and take the driving test ALL OVER AGAIN :angry: (and yes I passed)

Then a week later I found my Maryland license again :rolleyes:

 

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4 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

 

Then a week later I found my Maryland license again :rolleyes:

 

i've always said, the easiest way to find something is to replace it,   lost a set of darts , couldn't find them for weeks, withing 2 minutes of walking in the door with the new set, lo and behold, found the old set..

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Last week, in a letter to the editor, one man addressed an earlier letter writer who owned a Trump coffee shop.  The Trump coffee shop owner complained about so many people hating Trumpsters.  The man, in trying to help the Trump coffee shop owner understand negative feelings toward Trumpsters, pointed out the all "FUCK ....." flags and in your face words that come from Trumpsters being the reason people don't like them.

Today another letter writer to the local paper addressed the City Council's efforts to prohibit obscene language and "fighting words" on signs and flags.  Most of the examples of obscene language given by the City Council were flags that said "FUCK BIDEN", "FUCK HARRIS", or simply "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS." 

Today's letter writer objected on 1st Amendment grounds.  "It all boils down to the city trying to censor speech and thoughts they don't agree with," he said.

And they wonder why people hate them?

 

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In other news, yesterday, two men were arrested in Punta Gorda, FL for trafficking in meth and MDMA. 

There will be a lot of very unhappy Floridians this holiday weekend.

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51 minutes ago, Jules said:

In other news, yesterday, two men were arrested in Punta Gorda, FL for trafficking in meth and MDMA. 

There will be a lot of very unhappy Floridians this holiday weekend.

I doubt it. Meth dealers are like mushrooms. Someone stepped in to fill the void in the brief time between the arrest and the booking. 

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

In other news, yesterday, two men were arrested in Punta Gorda, FL for trafficking in meth and MDMA. 

There will be a lot of very unhappy Floridians this holiday weekend.

I bet the dealers makes a lot of money at the "Villages"

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On 3/31/2021 at 9:30 PM, Elegua said:

MC scow looks interesting but I'd like something double handed. 

You can double hand an MC, and depending on how old and/or fit you are or arent, you might need second person to right it, in a capsize.  Local guy here used to sail Lasers, and was considering the Scow, but opted out for that reason.  He's in his 80's now and drives a mark boat, instead.

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Had a view of Florida from the other side of the peninsula this past weekend.  SO and I spent a couple of nights in Coral Gables/Miaml.  First thing we noticed was they wear masks, even outside.  Though it was a head scratcher when people walked into restaurants and took off their masks, then when they left to go outside, put their masks back on.  

We also noticed the temperature was about 5-8 degrees lower than here while we were there and walking around didn't feel like being in a toaster oven.  Add all the shade trees they had and it was pretty pleasant.  And then there was the Lambos, Ferraris, Bentleys and Rolls on the streets.  And the scantily clad women dressed like they were going to Studio 54.

Never made it to the beach.  Bad weekend for getting there, unless you brought a jet pack. 

On the way back we took Tamaimi Trail (Rt 41) across the state and through the Everglades where we saw one stretch with numerous air boat rides and several state road signs that said, "Indian Village."  Why would the state feel the need to point that out? 

We made one stop at Big Cypress visitor center.  Lots of gators waiting below for someone to drop their cellphone while taking a picture, and then go after it.

And today marks Day 1 of hurricane season.

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Ahhh Coral Gables...  I have unpleasant memories as a very young lad stepping on a jellyfish washed up on the beach.   Hurt like hell.

Grandma also didn't think/believe that sunscreen was a "thing" so also got scorched into a peeling blistered mess.  

Not my favorite trip. 

 

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2 hours ago, Jules said:

Had a view of Florida from the other side of the peninsula this past weekend.  SO and I spent a couple of nights in Coral Gables/Miaml.  First thing we noticed was they wear masks, even outside.  Though it was a head scratcher when people walked into restaurants and took off their masks, then when they left to go outside, put their masks back on.  

We also noticed the temperature was about 5-8 degrees lower than here while we were there and walking around didn't feel like being in a toaster oven.  Add all the shade trees they had and it was pretty pleasant.  And then there was the Lambos, Ferraris, Bentleys and Rolls on the streets.  And the scantily clad women dressed like they were going to Studio 54.

Never made it to the beach.  Bad weekend for getting there, unless you brought a jet pack. 

On the way back we took Tamaimi Trail (Rt 41) across the state and through the Everglades where we saw one stretch with numerous air boat rides and several state road signs that said, "Indian Village."  Why would the state feel the need to point that out? 

We made one stop at Big Cypress visitor center.  Lots of gators waiting below for someone to drop their cellphone while taking a picture, and then go after it.

And today marks Day 1 of hurricane season.

Indian Village = a place to buy Indian souvenir shit ;)

I spent 4 years in Florida on the east coast at flight school. My car had no air conditioning and I never used it in my apartment either, my electric bill was like $28/month :D

I dreaded driving anyplace to the west, once away from the sea breeze it was like being microwaved to death.

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27 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

I dreaded driving anyplace to the west, once away from the sea breeze it was like being microwaved to death.

There's another thing I suspect - allergens are higher on the west side. 

I have some allergies that seem to have worsened since moving here.  When we were over on the east side, I didn't need allergy meds.  Got back late yesterday and already I'm back on the meds.

Though we are close to the ocean and right next to the Peace River, that "ocean cleansing" I often heard about doesn't happen here because the winds are rarely out of the west.

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5 minutes ago, Jules said:

There's another thing I suspect - allergens are higher on the west side. 

I have some allergies that seem to have worsened since moving here.  When we were over on the east side, I didn't need allergy meds.  Got back late yesterday and already I'm back on the meds.

Though we are close to the ocean and right next to the Peace River, that "ocean cleansing" I often heard about doesn't happen here because the winds are rarely out of the west.

On the rare occasions when the breeze from the southeast died the beach was a bug-fest :o

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10 hours ago, Windward said:

Ahhh Coral Gables...  I have unpleasant memories as a very young lad stepping on a jellyfish washed up on the beach.   Hurt like hell.

Grandma also didn't think/believe that sunscreen was a "thing" so also got scorched into a peeling blistered mess.  

Not my favorite trip. 

 

Matheson Hammock or Tahiti Beach?

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1 hour ago, Excoded Tom said:

Matheson Hammock or Tahiti Beach?

It was a beach.   There was sand.  
 

There were tears. 

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There is so much wrong here , from the NRA. Government "GOP"view on Guns  , Bad education and up bringing, and what the thread is about "Florida"

Florida children armed with shotgun, AK-47 open fire on deputies ‘like Bonnie and Clyde,’ sheriff says (msn.com)

Deputies called the homeowner and learned he was not home but that the house was filled with weapons, according to the sheriff’s office. The homeowner told deputies that he had a handgun, a shotgun, an AK-47 and about 200 rounds of ammunition inside the home, authorities said.

And another: Detectives say Michael Williams, 26 years old, agreed to drive his son to a friend's house so he could shoot them with a paintball gun, the Miami Herald reported.However, when they got to the house and the young boy began shooting at the crowd of children in the front yard, one resident thought they were real gunshots.and shoot the boy

 
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37 minutes ago, Not for nothing said:

And another: Detectives say Michael Williams, 26 years old, agreed to drive his son to a friend's house so he could shoot them with a paintball gun, the Miami Herald reported.However, when they got to the house and the young boy began shooting at the crowd of children in the front yard, one resident thought they were real gunshots.and shot the boy

Hope there's no issues for the good guy with a gun.

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And lest we forget what and where we are: 

In Southwest Florida over the past week, fish kills suspected to be related to red tide were reported in Lee and Collier counties. For more details, please visit: https://myfwc.com/research/saltwater/health/fish-kills-hotline/.

Respiratory irritation suspected to be related to red tide was reported over the past week in Southwest Florida in Pinellas and Collier counties. For current information, please visit: https://visitbeaches.org/.

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20 hours ago, Not for nothing said:

Deputies called the homeowner and learned he was not home but that the house was filled with weapons, according to the sheriff’s office. The homeowner told deputies that he had a handgun, a shotgun, an AK-47 and about 200 rounds of ammunition inside the home, authorities said.

 

Only 200 rounds? Must be a Democrat.

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1 hour ago, IStream said:

Only 200 rounds? Must be a Democrat.

A recent arrival who hasn't had time to equip himself to local standards.

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I wrote a letter to the editor about the recent (R) voting bill that was just signed by Desantis, and other Republican antics. 

Today I get a handwritten letter in the mail from "Mary" taking me to task for saying "Blacks are inept, lazy, and helpless."  (never said anything even remotely close)

Mary goes further, "You call to ask for renew absentee ballot, it comes in mail, you fill it out, walk out front. Put in mailbox for mailman."  (never said anything about absentee ballots)

But Mary is not done.  "I'll tell the black people I work with you think they are lazy."

She then pointed out that people of color, "live fine on 575.00 + Snap + county aid on water & electric."

   "your lack of knowledge on Capitol investigation is question able.  The republicans want it to in clude Black lives matter riots."  (I noted how Rs went whole hog over Benghazi but won't touch the Jan 6 attack)

Toward the end she really lets me have it, "you are a gullible person that believ is democrat lies."  And then she educated me on guns.

The return address is where Walmart is located.

Should I go to Walmart and try to find Mary so I can apologize?  I really want to be accepted here.

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10 minutes ago, Jules said:

 

Should I go to Walmart and try to find Mary so I can apologize?  I really want to be accepted here.

There will be plenty of Marys and their elk there.  Should be easy!

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

I wrote a letter to the editor about the recent (R) voting bill that was just signed by Desantis, and other Republican antics. 

Today I get a handwritten letter in the mail from "Mary" taking me to task for saying "Blacks are inept, lazy, and helpless."  (never said anything even remotely close)

Mary goes further, "You call to ask for renew absentee ballot, it comes in mail, you fill it out, walk out front. Put in mailbox for mailman."  (never said anything about absentee ballots)

But Mary is not done.  "I'll tell the black people I work with you think they are lazy."

She then pointed out that people of color, "live fine on 575.00 + Snap + county aid on water & electric."

   "your lack of knowledge on Capitol investigation is question able.  The republicans want it to in clude Black lives matter riots."  (I noted how Rs went whole hog over Benghazi but won't touch the Jan 6 attack)

Toward the end she really lets me have it, "you are a gullible person that believ is democrat lies."  And then she educated me on guns.

The return address is where Walmart is located.

Should I go to Walmart and try to find Mary so I can apologize?  I really want to be accepted here.

No, I'd recommend sending that one in to the editor too, with a brief explanation

- DSK

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

No, I'd recommend sending that one in to the editor too, with a brief explanation

- DSK

Yeah, I thought about that. 

I'd like to send the entire letter.  It's a gem.

It is a little disconcerting Mary took the time to find my address, write the letter and actually send it.  If she could figure out how to find me, that probably means every Floriduh man & woman can.  And to think, I moved here so I wouldn't have to shovel snow anymore.  :wacko:

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This is really disturbing-

I got lost reading the letter because it was so hard to understand what Mary was saying.  But the SO came home and read the whole thing and read this last part out loud:

"Just like HR-1 would allow democrats to regulate elections.  100% gun control.  Bills make 87% of legal guns ilegal.  what guns are legal like shotguns ammunition would be illegal.

"that's why gun rights members now have democrat voter rolls in their possion."

Was she threatening me?

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2 hours ago, Jules said:

This is really disturbing-

I got lost reading the letter because it was so hard to understand what Mary was saying.  But the SO came home and read the whole thing and read this last part out loud:

"Just like HR-1 would allow democrats to regulate elections.  100% gun control.  Bills make 87% of legal guns ilegal.  what guns are legal like shotguns ammunition would be illegal.

"that's why gun rights members now have democrat voter rolls in their possion."

Was she threatening me?

What is their "possion"?  Passion?  Poisson (ratio)? Poisson (French for fish)? Poison?  It makes you wonder.......:blink:

EDIT - Tried to find purple font, but failed.

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On 5/20/2021 at 6:56 AM, Jules said:

There's a new sign code that looks likely to be voted into the land development regulations that could turn Punta Gorda into Pottersville. 

The new code will allow up to four signs on residential properties.  Signs can be as large as 24 square feet.

We will be at the mercy of advertisers and people who can't stop letting the world know what they are thinking.

I'm pushing the limit.  A U of F Gator flag at the front door, Gator garden flag at the lamp post, Gator bicycle with Albert standing at attention, a new Val Demming for Senate sign and a leftover "Idle Speed, No Wake" sign from front yard social hour.

Hey Sol, do ya do pro bono 1st amendment?  

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8 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said:

What is their "possion"?  Passion?  Poisson (ratio)? Poisson (French for fish)? Poison?  It makes you wonder.......:blink:

EDIT - Tried to find purple font, but failed.

 

She meant "possession"....  But you probably figured that out already?

 

Jules, I recommend you try Charleston, SC, instead of Florida.  No snow there either, and lots of Democrats..

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15 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said:

What is their "possion"?  Passion?  Poisson (ratio)? Poisson (French for fish)? Poison?  It makes you wonder.......:blink:

EDIT - Tried to find purple font, but failed.

I got stumped on that, too until my SO "translated" it. 

Sent the letter to the former vice-mayor here cuz I knew he'd seen the loonies before.  He talked to the PD chief and she said file a report.  So I went into the PD office and showed it to an officer there.  He got stumped on "possion", too.  Then I told him it was probably "possession".  "OK, that makes sense."  He asked to make a copy of the letter so he could take some time trying to decipher it.  Gotta have a degree in loonie logic here.

7 hours ago, billy backstay said:

Jules, I recommend you try Charleston, SC, instead of Florida.  No snow there either, and lots of Democrats..

Don't think we haven't considered it.  The SO and I LOVE Charleston!  We've been there a few times during our stays in Savannah.  I could do either.

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12 minutes ago, Jules said:

...   The SO and I LOVE Charleston!  We've been there a few times during our stays in Savannah.  I could do either.

 

Charleston is crazy crowded and crazy expensive. I get along quite well with the old school Charlestonians... the pluff mud types... but it's a very different place than the rest of South Carolina. I'd take Savannah. Just as cool a downtown but the craziness is spread over much more of the countryside.

Sailing... both have insane tides. Charleston has actual sailing venues other than heading straight out into the ocean, though. Savannah, less so. But ironically, more nearby destinations and plenty gunkholing anchorages.

Having attended many a Lightning regatta at the Savannah Yacht Club, that place always has a soft spot in my heart.

- DSK

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

5' is an insane tide?

Don't ever come here - 15' is normal.

But Florida is only a couple feet above high tide

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3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I get along quite well with the old school Charlestonians... 

Howe manney haive you mette?  My udderstandeng is sinse 1990 90% of populatione is transident frome northern origins..........                  :)

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1 hour ago, Blue Crab said:
2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

5' is an insane tide?

Don't ever come here - 15' is normal.

This is why God made floating docks/

Up to 6+ mters here. That's why God made lock gates!

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

5' is an insane tide?

Don't ever come here - 15' is normal.

Do you have irregular tides, like in Seattle? That would be hard to get used to.

But much of the tide range between Savannah and Charleston is more like 10 ft. And even where it isn't, it's a hell of a lot more than along the Gulf coast where Jules is now.

Also, the currents can be VERY much faster than what you expect. Here in NC for example, many places the tide range is 1 ~ 2 ft, but hundreds of miles of 1 ft of water has to go thru a small inlet twice on each tide.

 

Just now, Snaggletooth said:
3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I get along quite well with the old school Charlestonians... 

Howe manney haive you mette?  My udderstandeng is sinse 1990 90% of populatione is transident frome northern origins..........                 

Certainly more than 50 but probably less than 100... spent quite a lot of time there, starting with back when I was stationed at the old Charleston Navy Base... they don't go around with signs but they do tend to travel in packs.

- DSK

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6 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Do you have irregular tides, like in Seattle? That would be hard to get used to.

Very.

They are really weird right now - essentially 3 highs and one low a day, like 15, 10, 10.5 and 1'.

And the spacing is irregular as hell as well - 3 hours between to more than 7 hours between.

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18 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

Charleston is crazy crowded and crazy expensive. I get along quite well with the old school Charlestonians... the pluff mud types... but it's a very different place than the rest of South Carolina. I'd take Savannah. Just as cool a downtown but the craziness is spread over much more of the countryside.

Sailing... both have insane tides. Charleston has actual sailing venues other than heading straight out into the ocean, though. Savannah, less so. But ironically, more nearby destinations and plenty gunkholing anchorages.

Having attended many a Lightning regatta at the Savannah Yacht Club, that place always has a soft spot in my heart.

- DSK

Only been to Charleston proper once, to look at a few boats that were for sale about 4 years ago.  Two were at a big marina on the Cooper river.  I couldn't believe the current in that wide of a river, or how thick and brown the water appeared.  I doubt a "normal" small sailboat could have made any way against the current.  They do seem to have a large sailing community though.

Jax, has some really easy sailing upstream of downtown in the St. Johns with pretty good depths and not much current at all until you get into downtown and north. We have pretty easy access to the ocean, just takes a bit of a trip to get there from the river "sailing" areas.  I don't understand why there are not more boats sailing.  Marina availability is limited I guess.  30 years ago there were lots of all sorts of boats out at each race.  It seems to have really died here for some reason.  Even the famous "Mug Race" doesn't get much participation anymore.

It did snow here once since I moved here in 1980 :-)

I do miss the water and more consistent wind of south Florida though, but it isn't the south Florida I grew up in anymore.

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1 hour ago, bridhb said:

Only been to Charleston proper once, to look at a few boats that were for sale about 4 years ago.  Two were at a big marina on the Cooper river.  I couldn't believe the current in that wide of a river, or how thick and brown the water appeared.  I doubt a "normal" small sailboat could have made any way against the current.  They do seem to have a large sailing community though.

Jax, has some really easy sailing upstream of downtown in the St. Johns with pretty good depths and not much current at all until you get into downtown and north. We have pretty easy access to the ocean, just takes a bit of a trip to get there from the river "sailing" areas.  I don't understand why there are not more boats sailing.  Marina availability is limited I guess.  30 years ago there were lots of all sorts of boats out at each race.  It seems to have really died here for some reason.  Even the famous "Mug Race" doesn't get much participation anymore.

It did snow here once since I moved here in 1980 :-)

I do miss the water and more consistent wind of south Florida though, but it isn't the south Florida I grew up in anymore.

Mug Race still gets around 80 boats each year. 

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25 minutes ago, sailwriter said:

Mug Race still gets around 80 boats each year. 

Yeah, I ran the cat trax trailer a couple of times a few years ago, but it seems like it use to get at least 3 times that with lots of "cruisers" entering.  Neat event.

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21 hours ago, Jules said:

Don't think we haven't considered it.  The SO and I LOVE Charleston!  We've been there a few times during our stays in Savannah.  I could do either.

 

Both of our daughters live in Charleston.  When they were both graduating High School, the guidance counselors were recommending College of Charleston, and whole bunch of kids from our tri-town regional HS ended up there and never came home to CT.  When elder daughter got married down there a couple of years ago, there were at least a half dozen of her CT HS graduates, in attendance.  We love to visit in the colder months, but would not want to be there in humid, sticky July or August.   OTOH, just the opposite discomfort of frigid New England in January and February.

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21 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

Charleston is crazy crowded and crazy expensive. I get along quite well with the old school Charlestonians... the pluff mud types... but it's a very different place than the rest of South Carolina. I'd take Savannah. Just as cool a downtown but the craziness is spread over much more of the countryside.

Sailing... both have insane tides. Charleston has actual sailing venues other than heading straight out into the ocean, though. Savannah, less so. But ironically, more nearby destinations and plenty gunkholing anchorages.

Having attended many a Lightning regatta at the Savannah Yacht Club, that place always has a soft spot in my heart.

- DSK

 

Maybe downtown is crazy; but Mount Pleasant and James Island are not too crowded, and cost of everything is way cheaper than CT.  We have not experienced Savannah yet, but love Greater Chucktown.  Son-in-laws family has a falling down beach house on Sullivan's Island and they don't use it in the winter, so we get a free crib sometimes, that looks out at Fort Sumter, and all the ships go by a quarter mile from the beach..  Lots of sailing-racing in Charleston, if you fancy that..... 

 

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23 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

...the pluff mud types...

 

- DSK

what is a "pluff mud type"? 

i know what pluff mud is (too thick to drink, too thin to plow) but what defines the type of charlestonian that deals with pluff mud?

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2 hours ago, tybee said:

what is a "pluff mud type"? 

i know what pluff mud is (too thick to drink, too thin to plow) but what defines the type of charlestonian that deals with pluff mud?

"Pluff Mud in their blood"

I'm guessing you've lived there a good bit, yourself.

- DSK

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We were out shopping for a dining set for the lanai.  We asked how to keep mold and scum off the furniture, like what happened to our present furniture.  The sales guy says a lot of the scum we're seeing comes from phosphate mining just to the east of us. 

We had been thinking it had something to do with the salt air.  It doesn't take long for things to develop mold spots all over them.

He went on to explain the process of how phosphate dust is carried through the air, settles on anything outside, and, if that thing isn't exposed to the sun, the phosphate dust helps feed mold and mildew.  

I can't tell you how many times "experts" have told us those phosphate mines are harmless.

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3 hours ago, Jules said:

We were out shopping for a dining set for the lanai.  We asked how to keep mold and scum off the furniture, like what happened to our present furniture.  The sales guy says a lot of the scum we're seeing comes from phosphate mining just to the east of us. 

We had been thinking it had something to do with the salt air.  It doesn't take long for things to develop mold spots all over them.

He went on to explain the process of how phosphate dust is carried through the air, settles on anything outside, and, if that thing isn't exposed to the sun, the phosphate dust helps feed mold and mildew.  

I can't tell you how many times "experts" have told us those phosphate mines are harmless.

and people over there wonder why there are so many red tides..    same issues  around NO, all that crap coming down the Miss..

 

I like our air pollution, the north texas kind, blowing up from the cement factories in midlothian..  where they will burn any sort of waste in their kilns..

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so this many forums could go , but Ill stick with the florida one'

INSIDER

3 people dead, including a corrections officer, and several others shot after a shooting during a Florida graduation celebration

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1 hour ago, justsomeguy! said:

"...shot after a shooting..."

smh

Regular shootings are so commonplace now that it was time the process was upgraded.

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6 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Regular shootings are so commonplace now that it was time the process was upgraded.

I was bemoaning the wording, not the violence.

I'm numb to that shit.

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On 6/4/2021 at 11:09 PM, SloopJonB said:

Very.

They are really weird right now - essentially 3 highs and one low a day, like 15, 10, 10.5 and 1'.

And the spacing is irregular as hell as well - 3 hours between to more than 7 hours between.

When I was out for a few days this past week, my Ports & Passes showed 3 tides on one day, the evening high was exactly the same as the low, one minute apart.

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Pluff Mud as I understand it, is visible at low tides throughout the saltwater marshes of Ga., and SC.  If you step off your marina dock between the saltwater grasses and the water, you’ll sink to your hips or your pits depending on how many gravity activating biscuits you’ve eaten.

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2 hours ago, dolphinmaster said:

Pluff Mud as I understand it, is visible at low tides throughout the saltwater marshes of Ga., and SC.  If you step off your marina dock between the saltwater grasses and the water, you’ll sink to your hips or your pits depending on how many gravity activating biscuits you’ve eaten.

That doesn’t sound pleasant.   Can you swim in it back to solid-ish (less pluffy ) mud?

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37 minutes ago, Windward said:

That doesn’t sound pleasant.   Can you swim in it back to solid-ish (less pluffy ) mud?

No, " swimming is ineffective"  dragging out with a line is the only option I've seen be effective.

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you can "swim" through the deep spots and you'll look like you went swimming through chocolate pudding.

i've seen people tow small boats through pluff mud by "swimming/crawling" until they get to water deep enough to float the boat.

it's not everywhere, the bottom is mostly sand/marl/slick clay but pluff does exist in the places where the bottom is not scoured by currents.

average tides around savannah are twice a day and between 6 feet and 11 feet depending on moon/wind.

 

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5 hours ago, dolphinmaster said:

Pluff Mud as I understand it, is visible at low tides throughout the saltwater marshes of Ga., and SC.  If you step off your marina dock between the saltwater grasses and the water, you’ll sink to your hips or your pits depending on how many gravity activating biscuits you’ve eaten.

so basically silt...  it's a couple of feet deep on the bottom of our lake..   dropped a 150lb mushroom into the water for a mooring,  it sent up a plume like a volcano, we were in a 75' circle of  pluffy water..

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14 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

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This reminds me of flying to Lakeland (the grey swamp in the third image) during my flight training.

I had learned to pay attention to field elevation, at least in theory, but in practice, all the FL runways I had used were at 8 or 10 feet.

So I entered the traffic pattern at 800 ft as usual, did my usual stuff to slow down and descend, and wound up with a scene out my windshield on final approach that just didn't look quite right. Then I noticed the VASI (approach slope lights) saying I was low. I had to throttle way up to make the runway. Taxied in and noticed my altimeter saying 140 feet. Just as it should, had I actually taken note of field elevation BEFORE landing.

Most of our swampland is not at 141 feet elevation like the Lakeland airport, but going by that meme, some of it is.

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A commentary in the local paper addressed the recent change in the sign code for Punta Gorda.  The city council decided the change was necessary because of a 2015 SCOTUS decision, which said you cannot legislate content.  The city council did not want to get sued because, as was stated at the council meeting they passed the new ordinance, they don't have the money to defend a lawsuit.

The city council decided to legislate content anyway and went a step further prohibiting profanity and "fighting words" on clothing.  But they removed most of the regulations on boats.  I guess that means Trump armadas can still proudly hoist "FUCK (fill in the blank)" flags.

The author of the article said the city has opened itself up to lawsuits because their new code violates the 1st Amendment and cited two cases that could easily apply to the new code.

To summarize:

"We have to change the sign ordinance because we can't afford to be sued."

"Here's your new ordinance which violates both the 1st Amendment and 2015 decision that compelled us to change the sign code."

Trumpsters can put up all the FUCK BIDEN, FUCK YOUR FEELINGS, FUCK DEMOCRATS signs they want as long as it's on their boat.

Welcome to Florida.

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Jules, I really don't understand how someone as sane as you can stand living there.

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5 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Jules, I really don't understand how someone as sane as you can stand living there.

Well I'm guessing her boat is less than 50 ft from her back door and the sailing around Punta Gorda is pretty good so there is that.

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Jon, insanity struck when one morning I opened the garage door and saw two feet of snow covering the driveway.  It seemed half the time I spent going somewhere in the winter was spent shoveling snow.  It wasn't until after the snow drove me south that I realized how very different things are between visiting a place and living there.

NB, Charlotte Harbor is definitely a great place for sailing, as long as your boat's draft is 4' or less.  And even at 4', there's about 1/4 of the bay that's too shallow to sail.  Our boat's draft is 4'9".  But yes, having your boat in the back yard is nice.  One neighbor was dying from cancer and could barely get around the house but he refused to sell his sailboat.  Just seeing his boat at his dock kept him going.

BC, no plans to move north but we have talked about moving the boat up there so we have a place to vacation in the summers.  But the SO is still working with little time to get away.

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22 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Jules, I really don't understand how someone as sane as you can stand living there.

Forgot to mention this - an article in the paper today said Florida is #1 in the nation for most listings per 10,000 owner-occupied homes.  But realtors have been complaining about shrinking inventory, down almost 30% from last year.

So it seems there's a lot of people trying to get the hell out of here but even more buying homes here.  Maybe those people thinking of moving here should read the opinions columns in the local papers.  If it's anything like it is here, they will see lots of hating libruls and demoncrats.

"Hi.  My name is Joe.  I am 80 years old and I plan to spend the rest of my days on earth hating.  Fuck Biden!  Fuck liberals!  Fuck democrats!  Fuck AntiFa!  Fuck BLM!  I love Florida!"

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18 minutes ago, Jules said:

Jon, insanity struck when one morning I opened the garage door and saw two feet of snow covering the driveway.  It seemed half the time I spent going somewhere in the winter was spent shoveling snow.  It wasn't until after the snow drove me south that I realized how very different things are between visiting a place and living there.

I like the seasons, having summer all year round would get old.

If it only rained at night this place would be perfect.

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20 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

If it only rained at night this place would be perfect.

That's my first order of biz when I'm King of the World.

Jules: I loves me some shallow draft. New boat. 3'3" with cb. I'll probably run aground EVEN more often. Sure miss clear water.

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53 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

Sure miss clear water.

Clear water?  What's that?  You can't even see more than a foot or so in the waters around here.  But the dolphins seem to love it.  We've seen them in the canal rounding up dinner.

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