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In our more rural areas there are a lot of freely accessible groves, most of them with old trees and fruits. These have been outshadowed by modern "industrial" species and those are usually heavily sp

Sometimes the local Letters To The Editor can be more amusing than sad: "So I'm driving down Midway and look to the left and there in a church parking lot is a pickup truck with a Confederate fla

That explains a lot. I suspect that amoeba's been active in Florida for quite some time...

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7 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Buncha pussies - I'm in shorts and a T-shirt at 62.

I had a friend of mine  from North Dakota, she said there were times she wore shorts and t-shirts when it was 0*F...    and I was like,   'cause it was  -40* the week before? 

uh-huh... 

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I'm still trying to get my head around 117° in Portland and northwards. In my neighborhood, all ears and eyes are glued to the 5th named tropical storm firming up. Green New Deal might be too little too late.

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mean while the gulf stream getting colder ;Dead fish washing ashore caused by cold water upwelling, officials say     No contaminants found in water

A blue parrotfish was among scores of dead reef fish washed ashore in Palm Beach on Saturday.

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On 6/29/2021 at 3:54 PM, billy backstay said:

Seriously Jules, why don't you move to somewhere less fascist?

With the ridiculously high prices houses are going for here, I've been seriously thinking about it.  But we have a lot of great friends here.  The SO has a good paying job.  I am only now just finishing getting the woodworking shop setup.  And, at 70, I don't have the energy for another move and starting all over again.

And then there's the master bathroom...  The last room to remodel and then I'm done. 

I just need to stop reading the newspaper and watching the news.  Then I could enjoy the bliss of ignorance. B)

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42 minutes ago, Jules said:

I just need to stop reading the newspaper and watching the news.  Then I could enjoy the bliss of ignorance. B)

 

Good advice!! :-)

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53 minutes ago, Jules said:

 

I just need to stop reading the newspaper and watching the news.  Then I could enjoy the bliss of ignorance. B)

That's why I get all my news and relevant global economic data right here on SA.

It's the gift that keeps on giving. 

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2 hours ago, Jules said:

With the ridiculously high prices houses are going for here, I've been seriously thinking about it.  But we have a lot of great friends here.  The SO has a good paying job.  I am only now just finishing getting the woodworking shop setup.  And, at 70, I don't have the energy for another move and starting all over again.

And then there's the master bathroom...  The last room to remodel and then I'm done. 

I just need to stop reading the newspaper and watching the news.  Then I could enjoy the bliss of ignorance. B)

With what is going on in Florida politics, here's some food for thought Jules.

 

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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2 hours ago, Jules said:

With the ridiculously high prices houses are going for here, I've been seriously thinking about it.  But we have a lot of great friends here.  The SO has a good paying job.  I am only now just finishing getting the woodworking shop setup.  And, at 70, I don't have the energy for another move and starting all over again.

And then there's the master bathroom...  The last room to remodel and then I'm done. 

I just need to stop reading the newspaper and watching the news.  Then I could enjoy the bliss of ignorance. B)

DO NOT

I REPEAT DO NOT

Finish your House/Home

Good friends long ago built a Beautiful HOME out of her parents house (they bought it)

they worked a Labor of LOVE for a few years

It Was Beautiful and Perfect

once it was finished they began to stare at eachother

their mission completed

they divorced in less than a year

they likely would Still be going strong as a couple Today

If they kept working as a Team on the house

 

jus sayin

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1 hour ago, Windward said:

That's why I get all my news and relevant global economic data right here on SA.

It's the gift that keeps on giving. 

thank GAWD you didn't say PA ;)

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3 hours ago, DA-WOODY said:

DO NOT

I REPEAT DO NOT

Finish your House/Home

jus sayin

Aw, hell, Woody.  I've always got something going.  And if we ever finish the house, there's a boat out back calling me.  But the only time I have lived in a house that was finished was when we listed it for sale until we sold it three weeks later.

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On 7/1/2021 at 9:46 AM, DA-WOODY said:

DO NOT

I REPEAT DO NOT

Finish your House/Home

Good friends long ago built a Beautiful HOME out of her parents house (they bought it)

they worked a Labor of LOVE for a few years

It Was Beautiful and Perfect

once it was finished they began to stare at eachother

their mission completed

they divorced in less than a year

they likely would Still be going strong as a couple Today

If they kept working as a Team on the house

 

jus sayin

Sounds like War of the Roses

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I'm going to drink this all weekend and see what happens.

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Actually Cigar City brew some really nice beers and this one is no exception...alcohol content is bit high thou...

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2 hours ago, Elegua said:

I'm going to drink this all weekend and see what happens.

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Actually Cigar City brew some really nice beers and this one is no exception...alcohol content is bit high thou...

dbl ipa...     it'll fuck you up faster than you'll realize,  appropriately named..

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Carl Hiaasen and Dave Barry nailed this years ago.  Those two have chronicled this subject like no other.

Think hillbilly after countless mutations in the heat, humidity, bugs and swamplife.

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1 hour ago, d'ranger said:

Carl Hiaasen and Dave Barry nailed this years ago.  Those two have chronicled this subject like no other.

Think hillbilly after countless mutations in the heat, humidity, bugs and swamplife.

don't give the appalachians a bad name,  there are rednecks and non-rednecks..   florida just had a marjority of rednecks..

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1 hour ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

don't give the appalachians a bad name,  there are rednecks and non-rednecks..   florida just had a marjority of rednecks..

Who do you think rednecks descended from? Both sides of my family came to Texas in the 1830s and spawned a plethora of rednecks, some are good people.  Like me. 

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On 7/5/2021 at 2:52 PM, d'ranger said:

Who do you think rednecks descended from?

The Irish and Scots of lesser IC.

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On 7/5/2021 at 1:52 PM, d'ranger said:

Who do you think rednecks descended from? Both sides of my family came to Texas in the 1830s and spawned a plethora of rednecks, some are good people.  Like me. 

rednecks spawned on their own from people who think their ancestors were civil war heros and not from apalachians, you've got to stop watching cartoons and hollywood..

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1 hour ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

rednecks spawned on their own from people who think their ancestors were civil war heros and not from apalachians, you've got to stop watching cartoons and hollywood..

Everybody knows that Hillbillies come from Appalachia.  Duh.

Judging by your spelling and capitalization skills, I'm gonna guess you are a redneck.

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29 minutes ago, Ed Lada said:

Everybody knows that Hillbillies come from Appalachia.  Duh.

Judging by your spelling and capitalization skills, I'm gonna guess you are a redneck.

I've noticed that Duke's Mayonnaise, a southern brand, is only available in white.

 Duke's Real Mayonnaise

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37 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

I've noticed that Duke's Mayonnaise, a southern brand, is only available in white.

 Duke's Real Mayonnaise

Ever tried Black Lightning ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

didn't think so

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1 hour ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

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dude looks like a dude

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trifecta this morning

-WINTER GARDEN, Fla. (AP) -- Residents in a central Florida neighborhood are on edge after an alligator attacked and killed a dog that a woman was walking along a trail, wildlife officials 

-ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) -- Red tide could cause people along certain parts of Florida's Gulf Coast to to experience respiratory irritation, health officials said.

-STUART, Fla. (AP) -- More manatees have died already this year than in any other year in Florida's recorded history, primarily from starvation due to the loss of seagrass beds, state officials said

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9 hours ago, Not for nothing said:

trifecta this morning

-WINTER GARDEN, Fla. (AP) -- Residents in a central Florida neighborhood are on edge after an alligator attacked and killed a dog that a woman was walking along a trail, wildlife officials 

-ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) -- Red tide could cause people along certain parts of Florida's Gulf Coast to to experience respiratory irritation, health officials said.

-STUART, Fla. (AP) -- More manatees have died already this year than in any other year in Florida's recorded history, primarily from starvation due to the loss of seagrass beds, state officials said

You forgot the radioactive waste used to build roads in Florida.

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10 minutes ago, Jules said:

You forgot the radioactive waste used to build roads in Florida.

unfortunately, this may be a reality for many, especially in Florida. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recently announced they will approve the use of phosphogypsum in road construction. Phosphogypsum is the radioactive waste product left over from the production of fertilizer, and Florida has a lot of phosphogypsum.

MANATEE COUNTY, Fla. (WWSB) - The Manatee County Commission voted unanimously Thursday to declare a state of emergency due to the liner tear at the gypsum stack at the former phosphate plant on Piney Point.
 

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14 hours ago, Jules said:

You forgot the radioactive waste used to build roads in Florida.

That explains a lot.

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26 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

That explains a lot.

Consider the starting point - a bit of radiation-accelerated evolution can't really hurt, can it?

FKT

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7 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

That explains a lot.

So maybe my friends and family telling me I have a glowing personality may not mean what I think it means?

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5 hours ago, dolphinmaster said:

 

best reply ever

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Current Conditions 7-14-21
A bloom of the red tide organism, Karenia brevis, persists on the Florida Gulf Coast...

On Florida’s Gulf coast, fish kills suspected to be related to red tide were reported in Pasco, Pinellas, Hillsborough, Manatee, and Sarasota counties over the past week. For more details, please visit: https://myfwc.com/research/saltwater/health/fish-kills-hotline/.

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16 hours ago, Blue Crab said:

Current Conditions 7-14-21
A bloom of the red tide organism, Karenia brevis, persists on the Florida Gulf Coast...

On Florida’s Gulf coast, fish kills suspected to be related to red tide were reported in Pasco, Pinellas, Hillsborough, Manatee, and Sarasota counties over the past week. For more details, please visit: https://myfwc.com/research/saltwater/health/fish-kills-hotline/.

Not to worry, the shit the mosquito helicopters are dropping now will probably kill a lot of us first.

Every time they fly over the house I am reminded of that skit Jerry Garcia and Phil Lesh did years ago and their cocaine helicopters - "they have no sense of proportion"

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Governor for the Oligarchy, Ron DeSantis, recently signed a law limiting home rule control over cruise ships.  Key West commissioners have decided to fight back.

Over 60% of Key West residents voted to limit the size of ships and the number of passengers allowed to disembark at Key West.  It was a move to help protect the quality of the city's water and the health of the coral reefs.  There has also been some concern regarding COVID spread.

Key West is moving ahead in support of the will of the voters and ignoring the new.

Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried, who is running to unseat DeSantis next year, last month criticized the Governor — whose political committee received a $1 million contribution from pier developer Mark Walsh, an outspoken critic of the referendums — for “overturning the will of voters in Key West and moving communities backwards on clean energy.”

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/440917-key-west-commission-pushes-back-on-state-preemption-calls-for-new-cruise-ordinance/

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4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Has anyone asked the Fed's to investigate that asshole for grafting?

It's Florida.  You would have to do lots worse than that. 

Besides, DeSantis has is head so far up Trump's ass that he could see Donnie's tonsils.  That gives him a lot of street cred in The Villages.

I'm sure the worm would love to get the nomination in '24.

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Florida man accused of trying to throw alligator on roof to teach it a lesson: report

William “Bubba” Hodge was taken into custody

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True story, 

Yesterday Kayaking in the mangroves st lucie inlet ditch, I stop and waited for friends , grab a tree branch , then I felt something crawling on my arm, It was a pretty big tarantula spider, I jumped and it flew into the water, scared the shit out of me.

Remember we're just guests here

How do you show a tarantula? - MSU Extension

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On 7/15/2021 at 12:02 PM, SloopJonB said:

Has anyone asked the Fed's to investigate that asshole for grafting?

He's just working hard for his major donors.  Do that and you get rewarded bigly.

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The Surfside condo collapse has exposed the high probability the concrete that made up the pool deck was totally saturated.  The rebar, top and bottom, is showing massive rusting of the rebar, resulting in delamination of the deck.

This was taken right after the collapse.  Look at how the fallen deck just ripped the rebar right out of the deck still standing.  That would never happen if the rebar hadn't rusted and spalled.  The rebar was essentially useless.

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There's also evidence of this in the top layer of rebar.  The pool deck was around 9" thick.  In this picture, you can see thin sections of concrete lying up against the columns.  This could only happen if the deck had delaminated.

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In a typical punch through, there is a large section of concrete decking left on the tops of the columns.  This thing was a total failure at the columns.

Between the saturated concrete and the questionable construction, I'd be looking to sell if I owned a Florida coastal condo.

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43 minutes ago, Fat Point Jack said:

Maybe Charlotte County should condemn Sunshitter right now.

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Looks like construction has only just begun???

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4 hours ago, Fat Point Jack said:

 

A blight on my trip over that one particular harbor.

 

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5 hours ago, Fat Point Jack said:

Maybe Charlotte County should condemn Sunshitter right now.

An article in the paper a few weeks ago quoted an Allegiant rep as saying they can't restart the job because their airline hasn't shown profit.  Did they put that contingency on completion when they applied for the permit?  Yeah, right.

My guess is they are hoping we will get so desperate for that thing to be finished, we'll even agree to a casino.  They are based out of Las Vegas after all.  Or maybe they will start a Go Fund Me to raze it to Save The Harbor!

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There could possibly be a connection to ocean rise and the Surfside collapse. 

The rise and fall of the tides could have completely submerged the buried pilings, piling caps and, to some degree, the parking lot floor slab.  Residents have reported as much as a couple of feet of water in the garage, which is below grade, and said massive pumps could not lower the water level - so the water was probably pushing up from underneath.  Salt water.

This opens up the possibility of the concrete in the below grade members becoming saturated, like the pool deck did.  If that happened, the rebar would have rusted, creating spalling - rusted rebar expands.  

I looked at the plans and it does not show the garage slab sitting on top of the piling caps. 

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This shows the pile cap being poured over several pilings and a column being built on top of the cap.  If the garage floor sat on top of the pile cap, it would have been shown in this sectional drawing. 

So in all likelihood, the garage floor slab sat on top of the columns, leaving plenty of space for water to seep up through the sand fill and work its way into the garage.  If water seeped into the below grade concrete and saturated it, that can help explain the massive domino effect when the building came down.

Imagine the implications of sea rise doing this to other coastal high rises.  We may soon be able to see the ocean from the road again.

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and back to Fla man news

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A Florida man was introduced to two very different kinds of neighbors this week.

One of them is being hailed a hero for possibly saving his life as he convulsed inside a car — which rolled down into the lawn of a family who, instead of helping, yelled at them to get off their property, authorities said Thursday.

“Get off our lawn,” the homeowners reportedly said. “Get the man out of here, have him die somewhere else.”

 

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1 hour ago, Excoded Tom said:

and in Naked Florida Woman news...

His first reaction was calling the cops?   It’s not like he had to worry about a hidden weapon.     At least the owner didn’t ‘stand his ground’ and plug her. 

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If you're brown skinned and want to set up a business in milky white Florida - better thing twice.

Alex and Beatrice Huerta opened a Mexican restaurant in milky white Punta Gorda not long ago.  But they have had a problem staying open, thanks to vandals.

Two weeks after opening, vandals broke in and cut wires to their walk-in cooler, refrigerators, and ovens.  Besides the cost of repairs, $2K of freshly purchased food had to be thrown out.

A week later vandals broke in again. razed the kitchen and stole all the menus.  The owners then changed all the locks.

Shortly after that,vandals drilled holes in the rooftop unit, rendering their AC useless.  A new unit cost them $3,500.

Alex began sleeping in the restaurant, having no idea what the vandals were capable of doing.

He slept at home during Hurricane Elsa only to find vandals returned to destroy the new rooftop AC unit and damaged his signs.

They plan to reopen again today.

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

If you're brown skinned and want to set up a business in milky white Florida - better thing twice.

Alex and Beatrice Huerta opened a Mexican restaurant in milky white Punta Gorda not long ago.  But they have had a problem staying open, thanks to vandals.

Two weeks after opening, vandals broke in and cut wires to their walk-in cooler, refrigerators, and ovens.  Besides the cost of repairs, $2K of freshly purchased food had to be thrown out.

A week later vandals broke in again. razed the kitchen and stole all the menus.  The owners then changed all the locks.

Shortly after that,vandals drilled holes in the rooftop unit, rendering their AC useless.  A new unit cost them $3,500.

Alex began sleeping in the restaurant, having no idea what the vandals were capable of doing.

He slept at home during Hurricane Elsa only to find vandals returned to destroy the new rooftop AC unit and damaged his signs.

They plan to reopen again today.

I managed the Radio Shack Store in the same location many years ago.  I'm sure I pissed off plenty of people, none ever took it that seriously.

And their food ain't too good.

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2 hours ago, Jules said:

If you're brown skinned and want to set up a business in milky white Florida - better thing twice.

Alex and Beatrice Huerta opened a Mexican restaurant in milky white Punta Gorda not long ago.  But they have had a problem staying open, thanks to vandals.

Two weeks after opening, vandals broke in and cut wires to their walk-in cooler, refrigerators, and ovens.  Besides the cost of repairs, $2K of freshly purchased food had to be thrown out.

A week later vandals broke in again. razed the kitchen and stole all the menus.  The owners then changed all the locks.

Shortly after that,vandals drilled holes in the rooftop unit, rendering their AC useless.  A new unit cost them $3,500.

Alex began sleeping in the restaurant, having no idea what the vandals were capable of doing.

He slept at home during Hurricane Elsa only to find vandals returned to destroy the new rooftop AC unit and damaged his signs.

They plan to reopen again today.

you sure it ain't the taco bell owner down the street?

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On 2/19/2020 at 6:11 PM, Jkdubz808 said:

Yeah I saw that.  Just add it to all the problems the ICW and waterways have been having in Florida.  At least once or twice a year we get the 'do not go in the water because of this bacteria' alerts, usually around when its good weather for the sandbar.  Lake Okeenasty is the source.  Nasty water mixes with the rivers/ICW and causes the nasty algae blooms that even affect peoples respiratory systems aside from the wildlife it kills.  Really sad.

Can you say "Big Sugar"?

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2 hours ago, Fat Point Jack said:

And their food ain't too good.

Agree.  We went there once, pre-COVID, and weren't at all impressed.  Maybe the vandals just want Plaza Mexico to take their place. 

It's interesting, though, that the vandals knew when the owner was spending the night there.  Maybe they knew his vehicle.

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5 hours ago, Jules said:

If you're brown skinned and want to set up a business in milky white Florida - better thing twice.

Alex and Beatrice Huerta opened a Mexican restaurant in milky white Punta Gorda not long ago.  But they have had a problem staying open, thanks to vandals.

 

Ahh Florida.  I am pretty sure the milky white perpetrators didn't appreciate the irony of white people vandalizing a restaurant, based on apparently racial bigotry in a town with a clearly Spanish name, as the Spaniards were all over Florida in the 16th century quite a few years before the milky white pilgrims landed up north a ways.

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9 minutes ago, Ed Lada said:

Ahh Florida.  I am pretty sure the milky white perpetrators didn't appreciate the irony of white people vandalizing a restaurant, based on apparently racial bigotry in a town with a clearly Spanish name, as the Spaniards were all over Florida in the 16th century quite a few years before the milky white pilgrims landed up north a ways.

You know how the milky white pronounce Punta Gorda?  Punt-a, as in a football.

You know how they pronounce Agui Esta Drive?  Ah-kwee Esta.

Did you know some people here say it's the whitest city in America?

To its credit however, back in the early days, there was a strong African American presence in local businesses.  It was close to 50-50, black/white. 

But a lot of people who retire here are clueless about that.  One newbie said an African American city council member, whose family goes back over 100 years here, didn't belong on the city council because "he doesn't even own land here."

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

You know how the milky white pronounce Punta Gorda?  Punt-a, as in a football.

You know how they pronounce Agui Esta Drive?  Ah-kwee Esta.

Did you know some people here say it's the whitest city in America?

To its credit however, back in the early days, there was a strong African American presence in local businesses.  It was close to 50-50, black/white. 

But a lot of people who retire here are clueless about that.  One newbie said an African American city council member, whose family goes back over 100 years here, didn't belong on the city council because "he doesn't even own land here."

whiter than   White Settlement, Texas?

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1 hour ago, Ed Lada said:

Ahh Florida.  I am pretty sure the milky white perpetrators didn't appreciate the irony of white people vandalizing a restaurant, based on apparently racial bigotry in a town with a clearly Spanish name, as the Spaniards were all over Florida in the 16th century quite a few years before the milky white pilgrims landed up north a ways.

 

St. Augustine is the oldest continually inhabited, non-native American place in entire country....

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59 minutes ago, Jules said:

You know how the milky white pronounce Punta Gorda?  Punt-a, as in a football.

You know how they pronounce Agui Esta Drive?  Ah-kwee Esta.

Did you know some people here say it's the whitest city in America?

To its credit however, back in the early days, there was a strong African American presence in local businesses.  It was close to 50-50, black/white. 

But a lot of people who retire here are clueless about that.  One newbie said an African American city council member, whose family goes back over 100 years here, didn't belong on the city council because "he doesn't even own land here."

 

For nearly 30 years, I was a Real Estate Broker in Essex, CT, which has the oldest continually operated Inn, in the USA, The Griswold Inn.  The English burned all the ships in our harbor in the war of 1812.  And it was only because the leader of the English Navy, and a local Merchant, with whom he conversed, were both Masons, that further damage to the populace was otherwise spared.  

So years ago,  I was showing around a New York couple, looking for a second home in the Country.  About a half mile from downtown on North Main Street, they noticed pigs being raised on a small one acre family farm.  The prospective buyers were astonished and said, how can your towns zoning and planning commission allow this abomination to happen???   I very sweetly told them that the Doane family had been living off the land here for hundreds of years.  They were speechless, and I was silently wishing them to return to Manhattan post haste!!

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12 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

 the oldest continually operated Inn, in the USA, The Griswold Inn. 

Do Clark & Ellen run it?

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4 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Do Clark & Ellen run it?

 

Dunno them?  It was originally opened by some Griswold brothers in the 1700's.  Now some modern brothers own and run it, I went to high school with the current Innkeeper brother, Doug. 

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14 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

St. Augustine is the oldest continually inhabited, non-native American place in entire country....

Well, that's because the inhabitants of St Augustine burnt the older town up near Jacksonville, and killed it's French inhabitants.

- DSK

 

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Florida man trailers.  The rear trailer is missing a tire, and it is attached to the front trailer by a rope.

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53 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Well, that's because the inhabitants of St Augustine burnt the older town up near Jacksonville, and killed it's French inhabitants.

- DSK

 

 

You are correct, I did not know that......

 

In the following half century, the government of Spain launched no less than six expeditions attempting to settle Florida; all failed. In 1564 French Huguenots (Protestants) succeeded in establishing a fort and colony near the mouth of the St. Johns River at what is today Jacksonville. This settlement posed a threat to the Spanish fleets that sailed the Gulf Stream beside the east coast of Florida, carrying treasure from Central and South America to Spain. As Don Pedro Menéndez de Avilés was assembling a fleet for an expedition to Florida, the French intrusion upon lands claimed by Spain was discovered. King Philip II instructed Menéndez, Spain's most capable admiral, to remove the French menace to Spain's interests.

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56 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Well, that's because the inhabitants of St Augustine burnt the older town up near Jacksonville, and killed it's French inhabitants.

 

 

 

You are correct, I did not know that......

 

In the following half century, the government of Spain launched no less than six expeditions attempting to settle Florida; all failed. In 1564 French Huguenots (Protestants) succeeded in establishing a fort and colony near the mouth of the St. Johns River at what is today Jacksonville. This settlement posed a threat to the Spanish fleets that sailed the Gulf Stream beside the east coast of Florida, carrying treasure from Central and South America to Spain. As Don Pedro Menéndez de Avilés was assembling a fleet for an expedition to Florida, the French intrusion upon lands claimed by Spain was discovered. King Philip II instructed Menéndez, Spain's most capable admiral, to remove the French menace to Spain's interests.

History is weirder, and often far more brutal, than we like to think.

It was pretty common in those days not just to commit genocidal attacks against other countries' unprotected towns but also to enslave the captives.

But if you're ever in the neighborhood, Fort Ribault is a nice afternoon visit.

(disclaimer- I haven't been there in years.... might have changed)

- DSK

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18 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

History is weirder, and often far more brutal, than we like to think.

It was pretty common in those days not just to commit genocidal attacks against other countries' unprotected towns but also to enslave the captives.

But if you're ever in the neighborhood, Fort Ribault is a nice afternoon visit.

(disclaimer- I haven't been there in years.... might have changed)

- DSK

I'm not sure that we behave any better nowadays.

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St. Augustine one good reason to move to Florida, Ghosts from the Haunted, cemetery ,the fort, and pictures I took at the lighthouse had Orbs , care taker lost his family there.

Bars a great and the zz Top style band playing at the "Trade Winds"

Matanzas Tradewinds St. Augustine 2011.mov - YouTube

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4 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

You are correct, I did not know that......

 

In the following half century, the government of Spain launched no less than six expeditions attempting to settle Florida; all failed. In 1564 French Huguenots (Protestants) succeeded in establishing a fort and colony near the mouth of the St. Johns River at what is today Jacksonville. This settlement posed a threat to the Spanish fleets that sailed the Gulf Stream beside the east coast of Florida, carrying treasure from Central and South America to Spain. As Don Pedro Menéndez de Avilés was assembling a fleet for an expedition to Florida, the French intrusion upon lands claimed by Spain was discovered. King Philip II instructed Menéndez, Spain's most capable admiral, to remove the French menace to Spain's interests.

wasn't a fun fight,  spanish force slogged up the coast from St Augustine for the attack... that must have been fun...

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3 hours ago, Not for nothing said:

St. Augustine one good reason to move to Florida, 

uh no,  who'd want to live in / near a town that has a million tourists a year, those stupid trains running around all over the place...    when we visited (the wife insisted) the Columbus replica ship was there... a Swan would have been better to cross the atlantic in...

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3 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

I'm not sure that we behave any better nowadays.

 

History is written by the winners, not the losers....

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Great place to visit but you wouldn't want to live here.  Get in and out, quick like a bunny. Trust me.  Too hot. Too many [insert people you don't like here.] Oh my gawd the hurricanes. 

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Just now, Sol Rosenberg said:

Great place to visit but you wouldn't want to live here.  Get in and out, quick like a bunny. Trust me.  Too hot. Too many [insert people you don't like here.] Oh my gawd the hurricanes. 

 

LOL!!!  You know you love it there, Sol!  You just don't want Jersey Shore and New Yawkers ruining it for you!!

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Great place to visit but you wouldn't want to live here.  Get in and out, quick like a bunny. Trust me.  Too hot. Too many [insert people you don't like here.] Oh my gawd the hurricanes. 

not saying I wouldn't , but it sure wouldn't be St Augustine...

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53 minutes ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

uh no,  who'd want to live in / near a town that has a million tourists a year, those stupid trains running around all over the place...    when we visited (the wife insisted) the Columbus replica ship was there... a Swan would have been better to cross the atlantic in...

You mean one of those pedal-boat Swans from the lake in Central Park?

- DSK

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