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In our more rural areas there are a lot of freely accessible groves, most of them with old trees and fruits. These have been outshadowed by modern "industrial" species and those are usually heavily sp

i'm not afraid of the brain eating amoeba in texas,  there aren't enough brains in the state to support an epidemic..

I'm reading Scott Turow's The Last Trial.  In it one of the main characters, a defense attorney (Stern), has to interview a witness for the prosecution who lives in Naples, FL. "In the last two d

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17 hours ago, Fat Point Jack said:

The whole story is somewhere over in the joke thread.

And not a good one.

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8 hours ago, Windward said:
On 6/30/2020 at 5:24 AM, Fat Point Jack said:

The whole story is somewhere over in the joke thread.

And not a good one.

With the bakery closed, where do you boys get yer creampuffs? 

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On 5/27/2020 at 5:32 AM, Cacoethesic Tom said:

That one's proof that a catch stick and a uniform doesn't make a person know how to catch a gator. The Gator Boys catch 'em by wearing them out and jumping on top of them when they're tired.

I heard a guy tell the story about winning the gator hunting lottery, the price was the privilege of going hunting for gators.  He hired a professional to accompany him.  In a small boat they headed out looking for the biggest gator.  He was hilarious.  I wish he'd record it. https://myfwc.com/license/limited-entry/statewide-alligator-hunt-permit/

https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/indian-river-lagoon/health/2019/08/13/abundance-alligators-expected-hunting-season-begins-thursday/1995420001/

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2 hours ago, ROADKILL666 said:

If you like swamp hot come on down but I prefer you didn’t 

Jebus, if you are talking to Hasher, he already lives in Georgia.  That's almost the same thing as Florida except with a much smaller coastline.

I am sure Florida behavior has oozed into Georgia.  And as far as I know, Georgia is no stranger to swamps.

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2 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

Jebus, if you are talking to Hasher, he already lives in Georgia.  That's almost the same thing as Florida except with a much smaller coastline.

I am sure Florida behavior has oozed into Georgia.  And as far as I know, Georgia is no stranger to swamps.

And he posted about the new unannounced river downtown just last week. What a shithole state.

 

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52 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

And he posted about the new unannounced river downtown just last week. What a shithole state.

 

That's what you get when you go south of the Mason-Dixon Line!   :lol:

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6 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

Jebus, if you are talking to Hasher, he already lives in Georgia.  That's almost the same thing as Florida except with a much smaller coastline.

I am sure Florida behavior has oozed into Georgia.  And as far as I know, Georgia is no stranger to swamps.

you know why  florida doesn't fall off into the ocean?    that because Georgia sucks..

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We're number one!  We're number one!

Author: 10 Tampa Bay
Published: 10:45 AM EDT July 2, 2020
Updated: 9:57 PM EDT July 2, 2020

Thursday's report from the Florida Department of Health showed the state added another 10,109 new cases of COVID-19 for July 1.

That number is now the highest record for new coronavirus cases in Florida in a single day, beating June 27's record of 9,585. 

Based on Wednesday's data, the state said another 67 Florida residents had died from coronavirus, and one non-Florida resident also died.

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

We're number one!  We're number one!

Author: 10 Tampa Bay
Published: 10:45 AM EDT July 2, 2020
Updated: 9:57 PM EDT July 2, 2020

Thursday's report from the Florida Department of Health showed the state added another 10,109 new cases of COVID-19 for July 1.

That number is now the highest record for new coronavirus cases in Florida in a single day, beating June 27's record of 9,585. 

Based on Wednesday's data, the state said another 67 Florida residents had died from coronavirus, and one non-Florida resident also died.

I feel this post should get a "like"...   But then not really.   I'm torn.

Congrats, and I'm sorry to hear.

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8 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

Ist theire away to do a '+/-'  ???

But what one would you choose?

<0>?

+0?

 

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19 hours ago, Jules said:

We're number one!  We're number one!

Author: 10 Tampa Bay
Published: 10:45 AM EDT July 2, 2020
Updated: 9:57 PM EDT July 2, 2020

Thursday's report from the Florida Department of Health showed the state added another 10,109 new cases of COVID-19 for July 1.

That number is now the highest record for new coronavirus cases in Florida in a single day, beating June 27's record of 9,585. 

Based on Wednesday's data, the state said another 67 Florida residents had died from coronavirus, and one non-Florida resident also died.

Wonder how much longer before other states won't let Floridians in.

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2 hours ago, Jkdubz808 said:

Wonder how much longer before other states won't let Floridians in.

An article in the paper the other day said three people from Florida went to NY and failed to self-quarantine for 14 days.  All were COVID positive.  Apparently they were told they MUST self-quarantine as a condition for entering NY state.  

One immunologist estimated actual COVID positive numbers are 20 times what is being reported.  Maybe Florida wants to become the herd immunity state. 

Florida has a history of doing its own thing.  After the Volstead Act was passed, FL completely ignored it.  In fact, when the US Coast Guard gunned down a rum runner off the coast of Miami, the Miami DA filed murder charges against the CG officials involved in the killing.     

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41 minutes ago, Fakenews said:
On 7/4/2020 at 1:44 AM, Jkdubz808 said:

Wonder how much longer before other states won't let Floridians in.

Kansas is blocking people who are coming from Fl as of last Monday.

New York is letting them in only if they quarantine for two weeks.

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33 minutes ago, El Boracho said:

If COVID-19 wasn't bad enough...

Deadly Brain-Eating Amoeba Confirmed in Florida

https://www.thedailybeast.com/deadly-brain-eating-amoeba-confirmed-in-florida

If that amoeba escapes Florida it might start eating brains!

That explains a lot. I suspect that amoeba's been active in Florida for quite some time...

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16 minutes ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

Florida man tells “grim reaper” that Joe and Hunter Biden went to China and brought the coronavirus back with them.

Was he chewing on someone's face at the time?

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26 minutes ago, Ishmael said:
44 minutes ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

Florida man tells “grim reaper” that Joe and Hunter Biden went to China and brought the coronavirus back with them.

Was he chewing on someone's face at the time?

Butte then why wase DT asksing Ukraine forre dirte?  FLA man allreddey hade it.  It juste dossente macke sense.......                     :)

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3 hours ago, Not for nothing said:

with governor desanta that's wants to open the state up and the up coming RNC in Jax , if your red your dead!

it maybe a blue state after all , no hanging chads here , 

I was born in Chicago and lived there for the next 64 years.  I grew up believing nobody upstages Chicago when it comes to political corruption. 

I arrived in Florida five years ago and am firmly convinced Chicago can't hold a candle to Florida when it comes to political corruption.  These guys have the electorate so duped it's astounding.

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56 minutes ago, Jules said:

I was born in Chicago and lived there for the next 64 years.  I grew up believing nobody upstages Chicago when it comes to political corruption. 

I arrived in Florida five years ago and am firmly convinced Chicago can't hold a candle to Florida when it comes to political corruption.  These guys have the electorate so duped it's astounding.

well 3/4's of the population is senile, so not hard to dupe..

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2 hours ago, Jules said:

I was born in Chicago and lived there for the next 64 years.  I grew up believing nobody upstages Chicago when it comes to political corruption. 

I arrived in Florida five years ago and am firmly convinced Chicago can't hold a candle to Florida when it comes to political corruption.  These guys have the electorate so duped it's astounding.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/coronavirus-illinois-gov-pritzker-says-states-were-forced-compete-in-sick-hunger-games-competition-for-ppe.html

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13 hours ago, Jules said:

I was born in Chicago and lived there for the next 64 years.  I grew up believing nobody upstages Chicago when it comes to political corruption. 

I arrived in Florida five years ago and am firmly convinced Chicago can't hold a candle to Florida when it comes to political corruption.  These guys have the electorate so duped it's astounding.

Didn't you get your garbage can from the precinct committee person?

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3 hours ago, Fat Point Jack said:

Didn't you get your garbage can from the precinct committee person?

Are you kidding?  When I lived there, you supplied your own garbage cans. 

When I was still living with my parents, those garbage cans were 55 gallon steel drums.  The garbage men would walk up your driveway, pick up the now full drums, roll them to their back (where there was a leather pad) and with one hand on top, the other on bottom, carry the drum to the street and dump the garbage into the truck.  Then they would carry them back to the rear of the house and set them down neatly.  Then do the same for the next two.

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4 hours ago, Jules said:

Are you kidding?  When I lived there, you supplied your own garbage cans. 

When I was still living with my parents, those garbage cans were 55 gallon steel drums.  The garbage men would walk up your driveway, pick up the now full drums, roll them to their back (where there was a leather pad) and with one hand on top, the other on bottom, carry the drum to the street and dump the garbage into the truck.  Then they would carry them back to the rear of the house and set them down neatly.  Then do the same for the next two.

Another urban legend shot down.

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Florida contractors...  Don't they have eyes? 

This is the roof work they did yesterday.  They pulled up tiles about 3' on either side of the valley, laid down new underlayment and tarred or foamed up some areas, then laid the tiles back down.  I think after that they got their kids to come in and do the finish work.

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3 hours ago, Jules said:

Florida contractors...  Don't they have eyes? 

This is the roof work they did yesterday.  They pulled up tiles about 3' on either side of the valley, laid down new underlayment and tarred or foamed up some areas, then laid the tiles back down.  I think after that they got their kids to come in and do the finish work.

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They call that billable work?

I'd call it low grade handyman.

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2 hours ago, Ishmael said:

I'd call it drunk homeowner. That's just not right.

That was my first guess until I read Jules' post that it was an actual professional. Or claimed to be.

There are skilled workers here but we do have more than our share of ones... like that.

I don't mind the heat but almost melted today while sailing a Sunfish. Being on a roof on a day like today would be absolute misery. And it's not even August yet.

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6 hours ago, Jules said:

Florida contractors...  Don't they have eyes? 

This is the roof work they did yesterday.  They pulled up tiles about 3' on either side of the valley, laid down new underlayment and tarred or foamed up some areas, then laid the tiles back down.  I think after that they got their kids to come in and do the finish work.

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it won't leak...

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3 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Since when do you put ridge capping tiles in a VALLEY? Then apply more goop to seal?

FKT

When you don't know WTF you're doing apparently.
Time to call this guy.

 

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12 hours ago, Cacoethesic Tom said:

That was my first guess until I read Jules' post that it was an actual professional. Or claimed to be.

There are skilled workers here but we do have more than our share of ones... like that.

I don't mind the heat but almost melted today while sailing a Sunfish. Being on a roof on a day like today would be absolute misery. And it's not even August yet.

About a year ago, I went up there and slapped some caulking down as a temporary fix.  It wasn't pretty but I was dying from the heat.  I figured I'd go back when it was cooler to do a better job.   This is what it looked like after my quick fix.

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The roofer we hired said, after he checked it out, that it looked like an amateur did some caulking.  So I figured his guys would be doing a much better job.  Guess I was wrong.

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17 hours ago, Cacoethesic Tom said:

There are skilled workers here

Wish I knew how to find them.  When we had the driveway done, I did the CAD drawings for bidding purposes.  The contractor used that to get a permit.  Their layout guy arrived with a hammer, some stakes and bendy board.  I asked him, "Where's your transit?"  He didn't have one.  "Do you have the plans?"  He didn't, so I printed out new plans and had him help me layout the driveway. 

When we had the roof cleaned, I asked the guy if he needed to cover anything.  He said no.  After he left, plants began to wither and I found white spots on the outdoor furniture cushions.  Chlorine damage was everywhere. 

Now this.

Customers all gave these guys great ratings.  What I'm learning is most people here don't know shit about quality work.  They just pick up the phone when something needs to be done.

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I'm still confused about the ridgecap in the valley.

Is that how thick tiles are done?  I really don't know.

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19 minutes ago, Windward said:

I'm still confused about the ridgecap in the valley.

Is that how thick tiles are done?  I really don't know.

No. Don't use convex where concave is needed. And roofing is all about gravity sucking. And where does it suck there? Against caulk that's gonna fail. A concave (typical metal flashed) valley shouldn't leak there. And surely wouldn't have 42 tubes of goo smeared all over it.  The video posted above where the roofing co in Rancho fixed a valley? That's the way to do it. Peel it back and fix the leaking flashing. May as well get a gallon of flex seal and dump it down the roof for what the caulk is going to do....

 

 

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9 hours ago, gptyk said:

A concave (typical metal flashed) valley shouldn't leak there.

There might be an issue with metal flashing due to exposure to salt air.  When we were getting estimates for a new roof I asked about doing a metal roof.  I was told the manufacturer will not warranty a metal roof within 5 miles of salt water bodies.

Everyone I talked to said it's the underlayment that does the waterproofing with clay/concrete roofs.  IIRC, Miami-Dade code calls for adhesive-backed underlayment.  From what I've seen here, the stuff looks like thick rubber, 

Just after we moved here I saw this and freaked out only to later be told that's what the weep holes are for.

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5 minutes ago, Jules said:

There might be an issue with metal flashing due to exposure to salt air.  When we were getting estimates for a new roof I asked about doing a metal roof.  I was told the manufacturer will not warranty a metal roof within 5 miles of salt water bodies.

Then you must be using low-class shit metal for the roofs.

Here you can count on 30+ years from a metal roof. One of my houses is within 200m of the tide line and the roof is as good as the day I did it 15 years ago. The other house is further from the coast but less than 1 km from a salt tidal river. That roof is just coming up to 30 years and there isn't a single trace of rust.

I have never, ever seen a tile roof with valleys done in such a fashion. It's just *wrong*. Even if there's valley flashing underneath, it's still wrong. And if there isn't valley flashing there it's just a major leak waiting to happen.

FKT

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5 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Then you must be using low-class shit metal for the roofs.

Here you can count on 30+ years from a metal roof. One of my houses is within 200m of the tide line and the roof is as good as the day I did it 15 years ago. The other house is further from the coast but less than 1 km from a salt tidal river. That roof is just coming up to 30 years and there isn't a single trace of rust.

I have never, ever seen a tile roof with valleys done in such a fashion. It's just *wrong*. Even if there's valley flashing underneath, it's still wrong. And if there isn't valley flashing there it's just a major leak waiting to happen.

FKT

I just Googled it.  For standard metal roofs, the distance is a mile.  But aluminum and aluminum/zinc apparently are warranted right up to the water's edge.  We're about 35' away.

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So the tiles are really there for decoration and UV?

Those weep holes were doing their thing... so it must work.

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You see houses up on the Baltic Sea coast in Germany and Poland with thatched roofs that are amazing.   They are very thick, withstand the ever present wind and last quite a long time.  It's done the old school way as it has for centuries.

HD wallpaper: ahrenshoop, thatched roof, reed, beach, baltic sea ...

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2 hours ago, Windward said:

Thatch roofs are coming back...  Get in early for the smart money investors.

If installed by Simeoles there's tax breaks, don't need certain roofing permits , and cost saings in florida, We told a local bar/restaraut to install them , they went for expensive roll up canvas which ripped in the first wind storm , Where as the old Riveria beach tiki lasted thru a few hurricanes, and took bull dozers to knock it down. I guess the white man knows better!

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57 minutes ago, Ed Lada said:

You see houses up on the Baltic Sea coast in Germany and Poland with thatched roofs that are amazing.   They are very thick, withstand the ever present wind and last quite a long time.  It's done the old school way as it has for centuries.

HD wallpaper: ahrenshoop, thatched roof, reed, beach, baltic sea ...

 

A Christmas Tree Shop on Cape Cod, had a thatched roof, years ago.  Probably still does??

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There are a couple of houses in Vancouver done with cedar shingles to look like thatch. Hugely expensive. One of them was redone in the late 70's and it cost 6 figures at a time when you could buy a house for that.

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

There are a couple of houses in Vancouver done with cedar shingles to look like thatch. Hugely expensive. One of them was redone in the late 70's and it cost 6 figures at a time when you could buy a house for that.

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cedar / wood shingles were the big thing in dallas  back in the 80's and 90's     many , many fires later  they're no long around...   

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On 7/9/2020 at 2:47 PM, Jules said:

Florida contractors...  Don't they have eyes? 

This is the roof work they did yesterday.  They pulled up tiles about 3' on either side of the valley, laid down new underlayment and tarred or foamed up some areas, then laid the tiles back down.  I think after that they got their kids to come in and do the finish work.

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It's caulked! It'll be good!!!

PSA: Contractors.... you get the quality of work out of them equal to what you put into vetting them! Seriously, talk to references, go see their work... Great, knowledgeable builders are out there and proud craftsman - My new teachers!! They're not cheap tho - but oh so worth it! So worth it!!!

Find one with good references (CHECK THEM!!!), clean, well maintained trucks, tools and non delinquent/criminal staff! I do not like the sheriff showing up at my site looking to serve a heroin/car theft warrant on my framer's crew... 

 

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1 hour ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

cedar / wood shingles were the big thing in dallas  back in the 80's and 90's     many , many fires later  they're no long around...   

Yeah - pretty dumb idea in a hot dry place.

In a rain forest they're O/K.

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4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Yeah - pretty dumb idea in a hot dry place.

In a rain forest they're O/K.

saw one house go up in smoke, because their kid with a sparkler  ended up throwing it up in the air and landed in a not so cleaned out gutter..   there were many hoa's that insisted on them..

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4 hours ago, Liquid said:

It's caulked! It'll be good!!!

PSA: Contractors.... you get the quality of work out of them equal to what you put into vetting them! Seriously, talk to references, go see their work... Great, knowledgeable builders are out there and proud craftsman - My new teachers!! They're not cheap tho - but oh so worth it! So worth it!!!

Find one with good references (CHECK THEM!!!), clean, well maintained trucks, tools and non delinquent/criminal staff! I do not like the sheriff showing up at my site looking to serve a heroin/car theft warrant on my framer's crew... 

 

And if the contractor says "we're gonna spread massive gobs of caulk all over you roof" to solve the problem. Find another contractor. 

So the question is "how are you going to solve this problem?" And the answer tells you what skills that contractor has.

Thus the reason I'm almost 100% diy. I'm better that most contractors.  but much slower. But I still won't try a carrier landing  at night or stucco. The two hardest things in the universe. Sheesh, I could see myself wrestling a F-18 onto a carrier deck. Stucco? No FoxtroctWiskey. Stucco is impossible. 

I'm still with the don't use convex where concave is called for. Ornamentally? Ok.. maybe. But the valley flashing had to be good there too. 

 

Oh, and don't move to Florida.... No more info needed.. Well researched and determined. 

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DIY is great but, know your limits!

How many houses have you framed?

How many years of siding, flashing and installing doors and windows - correctly - do you have?

 

Experience is valuable! Pay for it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Liquid said:

 

DIY is great but, know your limits!

How many houses have you framed?

How many years of siding, flashing and installing doors and windows - correctly - do you have?

 

Experience is valuable! Pay for it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some experience is valuable, some is painful. 38 years of doing it wrong doesn't make you a better person.

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23 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Some experience is valuable, some is painful. 38 years of doing it wrong doesn't make you a better person.

Hiring and taking a job is a crap shoot!

 

38 years doing it wrong?

You know something I don't? Only thing I've done constantly for 38+ years is sail and windsurf

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5 hours ago, Liquid said:

 

DIY is great but, know your limits!

How many houses have you framed?

How many years of siding, flashing and installing doors and windows - correctly - do you have?

 

Experience is valuable! Pay for it!

 

Suuure - I should be *so* grateful for the opportunity to pay someone else to do a worse job than I can do myself.

Typical story - I got a quote to d an internal staircase. Actually 3 quotes. All of them were ridiculous IMO. I could buy all the materials *and* tooling 3X over before I got to the price of the cheapest quote so basically I could totally screw the job twice over as a learning experience then get it right and still break even. Plus I'd have the tools and knowledge I didn't have previously.

I've built 3 houses including a 3 storey one with a welded post & beam construction and a lot of sheds up to 20m x 13m in size. Plumbing, wiring, windows, doors, I can do it all to a satisfactory standard.

The only 2 things I avoid are plasterboard because I hate it though I can do it and tiling because I'm crap at it. I'll happily pay a decent tiler because it's not hard to find one who can do a better job than me. But building a house, no way. A decent pro will be faster but not better and a hack will charge a lot for doing a much worse job.

FKT

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13 hours ago, Liquid said:

Find one with good references (CHECK THEM!!!)

What I've found here is most homeowners don't know how to identify good workmanship.  I've seen some work done in other houses where the homeowner raved about their contractor.  Having worked in construction for 35 years, I could see the workmanship was crap.  So I stopped asking around for references.  I do most everything myself but draw the line with certain jobs, like working on the roof when it's 93 and sunny.  I'm getting too old for that.

They haven't been paid yet and we've been playing phone tag so I don't know how they intend to resolve the issue.  If I settle at a discount with them, I'll get up there when it's cool and neaten things up.

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33 minutes ago, Jules said:

What I've found here is most homeowners don't know how to identify good workmanship.  I've seen some work done in other houses where the homeowner raved about their contractor.  Having worked in construction for 35 years, I could see the workmanship was crap.  So I stopped asking around for references.  I do most everything myself but draw the line with certain jobs, like working on the roof when it's 93 and sunny.  I'm getting too old for that.

They haven't been paid yet and we've been playing phone tag so I don't know how they intend to resolve the issue.  If I settle at a discount with them, I'll get up there when it's cool and neaten things up.

The magic words. Make 'em redo the valley as per upthread. 

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DeSantis on Florida schools reopening: 'If you can do Walmart,' then 'we absolutely can do the schools'

Interesting study using florida virus data per zip code, zip codes with the highest number of cases also have a walmart, guess that blow's his theory. https://fdoh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/8d0de33f260d444c852a615dc7837c86

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23 minutes ago, Not for nothing said:

DeSantis on Florida schools reopening: 'If you can do Walmart,' then 'we absolutely can do the schools'

Interesting study using florida virus data per zip code, zip codes with the highest number of cases also have a walmart, guess that blow's his theory. https://fdoh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/8d0de33f260d444c852a615dc7837c86

WalMart is the place I'm most nervous about entering. Gloved & masked and sanitized before entering and after leaving is the only way I'll do it.

The People of WalMart don't even know what an arrow means.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

WalMart is the place I'm most nervous about entering. Gloved & masked and sanitized before entering and after leaving is the only way I'll do it.

The People of WalMart don't even know what an arrow means.

They do so. When it's time to check out you line up in arrow.

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6 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

 

The only 2 things I avoid are plasterboard because I hate it though I can do it and tiling because I'm crap at it. I'll happily pay a decent tiler because it's not hard to find one who can do a better job than me. But building a house, no way. A decent pro will be faster but not better and a hack will charge a lot for doing a much worse job.

FKT

I hate tile because my knees are getting old and creaky. And it's tedious. Tape/float/texture drywall? I have hired guys who are maestros for both new and remodel work. It's similar to baking fine desserts - you either got it or you don't. A man has to know his limitations.

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This week, authorities charged a Florida father and his three sons, all members of the infamous “Church of Bleach”, with conspiracy to defraud the U.S. and distribute mislabeled drugs after they billed a toxic household cleaning product as a cure for covid-19.

The church’s founder, Mark Grenon, and his sons, Jonathan, Jordon, and Joseph, allegedly billed their bleach product “Miracle Mineral Solution” as a way to “treat, prevent, and cure” the virus when ingested, according to a suit filed in the Southern District of Florida on Wednesday.

And it gets worse. Since these guys apparently seem deadset on winning the shittiest human being Olympics:

“They sold this dangerous product under the guise of Genesis II Church of Health and Healing (‘Genesis’), an entity they allegedly created in an attempt to avoid government regulation of MMS,” according to the filing.

 

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6 hours ago, d'ranger said:

I hate tile because my knees are getting old and creaky. And it's tedious. Tape/float/texture drywall? I have hired guys who are maestros for both new and remodel work. It's similar to baking fine desserts - you either got it or you don't. A man has to know his limitations.

Yeah - drywall is a heavy PITA. Last time I had to DIY simply because it was only 1 room and nobody wanted to know - too small a job. I especially hate doing ceilings.

My knees are fucked, too.

After doing boat work house carpentry is so trivial it's a joke. A whole wall made up of bits of timber all the same length, and I get to use a nail gun.

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