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8 hours ago, Windward said:

Perhaps I won’t move to FL after all.

Why not?  You can still do pretty much do what you want without the mask police bothering you.  So you might catch COVID and die.  At least you will be too drunk to know it.

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22 hours ago, Jules said:

Back in the early 90s, we came down to Florida to visit my dad, who lived near North Palm Beach.   Our original plan was to take his boat to the Bahamas but the weather wasn't cooperating,  So we cruised up the ICW to Peck Lake to anchor overnight and take in the area.  My oldest son and I dropped the dinghy in the water and motored to a mangrove area.  He loved to look for interesting sea life hiding in the mangrove roots.

As the depth decreased, I pulled up the motor and dropped the oars and began rowing closer to shore.  Then I saw this black swarm ahead.  In Chicago this would be harmless, but annoying, gnats.  I didn't know any better.  So I kept rowing.  Suddenly my son and I are being eaten alive.  We're swatting them like mad but we were seriously losing the battle.

I scrambled to row out of there and the swarm followed, biting the shit out of us.  Once I get into deep enough water, I dropped the motor, frantically started the motor and hauled ass out of there as fast as that motor would carry us.  I thought that was the end of the no-see-ums.

As dusk came, so did the no-see-ums.  We hid inside the boat under mosquito netting, not small enough to stop the no-see-ums.  It was a miserable night.

Next morning I come up top and see my dad sleeping on a bench seat.  When he lifted his head, I could see red dots all over the white pillowcase.  "I was serving up dinner for the no-see-ums," he explained.

Lake bluff beach..  Black flies owned that place...  Hated bringing team down there from Waukegan as we had to unload boats etc in that black fly hell hole.   As soon as the coach boat was in I was 100yds off shore...  

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3 hours ago, shaggy said:

Lake bluff beach..  Black flies owned that place...  Hated bringing team down there from Waukegan as we had to unload boats etc in that black fly hell hole.   As soon as the coach boat was in I was 100yds off shore...  

And they bite hard.  But at least you can see them.

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2 hours ago, Jules said:

And they bite hard.  But at least you can see them.

You can generally feel them land with a thud. 

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1 hour ago, Windward said:

You can generally feel them land with a thud. 

Light air laser/sunfish races were fun..  The thud of the tiller extension wacking them was "the music of the light" on lake Michigan....  The blood on the deck ran like wine....    :P

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2 hours ago, Windward said:

You can generally feel them land with a thud. 

 

43 minutes ago, shaggy said:

Light air laser/sunfish races were fun..  The thud of the tiller extension wacking them was "the music of the light" on lake Michigan....  The blood on the deck ran like wine....    :P

In the early days of sailing, we got downwind of one of the pump stations off Monroe harbor.  Last time that ever happened.

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On 7/26/2020 at 12:52 PM, Jules said:

Back in the early 90s, we came down to Florida to visit my dad, who lived near North Palm Beach.   Our original plan was to take his boat to the Bahamas but the weather wasn't cooperating,  So we cruised up the ICW to Peck Lake to anchor overnight and take in the area.  My oldest son and I dropped the dinghy in the water and motored to a mangrove area.  He loved to look for interesting sea life hiding in the mangrove roots.

As the depth decreased, I pulled up the motor and dropped the oars and began rowing closer to shore.  Then I saw this black swarm ahead.  In Chicago this would be harmless, but annoying, gnats.  I didn't know any better.  So I kept rowing.  Suddenly my son and I are being eaten alive.  We're swatting them like mad but we were seriously losing the battle.

I scrambled to row out of there and the swarm followed, biting the shit out of us.  Once I get into deep enough water, I dropped the motor, frantically started the motor and hauled ass out of there as fast as that motor would carry us.  I thought that was the end of the no-see-ums.

As dusk came, so did the no-see-ums.  We hid inside the boat under mosquito netting, not small enough to stop the no-see-ums.  It was a miserable night.

Next morning I come up top and see my dad sleeping on a bench seat.  When he lifted his head, I could see red dots all over the white pillowcase.  "I was serving up dinner for the no-see-ums," he explained.

I was driving south on my way to Key West one early September long ago. Decided to spend the night at Sebastian Inlet to try to catch some morning waves. Having seen pics of Daytona Beach I assumed you could drive on the beach everywhere down there on the east coast.

It's about 11:00 PM, still easily in the 90s and I'm stuck axle deep in soft sand in my van. I discovered the no see ums when I got out to try to dig myself out and managed to let most of them into the van before shutting the doors and windows.  No window screens, just a mattress and a 3 season sleeping bag inside.

That was a long, hot, sweaty, itchy night. The park ranger that caught me the next day was sympathetic at my spotted swollen face and towed me off the beach for free though, so at least one good thing came of it.

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https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article244514157.html

At least 17 anesthesiologist residents and a fellow at one of the premier university hospital systems in Florida contracted COVID-19 earlier this month after attending a private party together, according to hospital insiders and internal documents.

The outbreak at University of Florida Health occurred after a party at a private home, according to people familiar with the situation. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they said UF Health prohibits employees from speaking to reporters without authorization.

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On 6/26/2020 at 8:06 AM, Jules said:

PUNTA GORDA, Fla. - Punta Gorda police said they had to investigate their first hate crime in 10 years on Tuesday, when a clear act of racism was caught on video. 

Katrina M. and her cousin Leiya R. went to pick mangoes from a neighborhood tree on Hibiscus Drive — the owners of the home were fine with the duo taking their mangoes, but Donald Mueller thought they were stealing.

Uh, oh...

Man charged in mango dispute now taken to civil court

A man accused of spitting and making racially biased comments against women picking mangoes in Punta Gorda Isles is now being sued in civil court.

Donald Mueller, 73, was arrested on June 23, charged with two counts of burglary with assault or battery, after the argument with the two women, Katrina Montonaro and Leiya Rey.

According to the police report, Montonaro, a White woman, had stopped to gather mangoes on Hibiscus Drive with her cousin Rey, a Black woman.  Mueller believed the two were stealing mangoes from his neighbor, though Montonaro claimed she had gotten permission from the homeowner in the past.

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He came up to their vehicle and reportedly said, “If I see this truck again, I am going to pump you full with bullet holes.”

He also called the women “stupid, thieving bastard” and stated, “You know why Black lives don’t matter, because you Black people keep...”

Before walking away, he spat on the women — once directly and a second time when it was unclear where his saliva landed, according to the police report.

The Punta Gorda Police Department charged Mueller with two counts of burglary with battery and initially reported the incident as a hate crime, but on Thursday, Lt. Dylan Renz told the Sun it did not actually qualify as one.

“The SAO (State Attorney’s Office) reviewed this and determined that it did not qualify as a hate crime,” Renz said. “Our understanding is that based on case law, although there is clearly evidence of racial bias, there is no evidence that the racial bias was the cause of the crime. Basically, the disturbance was caused because he believed someone was stealing mangoes and not because of bias. The bias only came out after the disturbance had begun.”

Samantha Syoen, spokesperson for the State Attorney’s Office, said earlier in the week the case is under review. Mueller’s arraignment is scheduled for Aug. 10.

The civil lawsuit was filed by Montonaro and asks for damages in excess of $30,000 for intentional infliction of emotional distress and battery.

Rey is not a plaintiff in the suit, though her presence is noted. The lawsuit stated Montonaro was in the driver’s seat of the vehicle, though the police report says she was in the passenger’s seat, and the video filmed by Rey appears to be taken from the driver’s seat.

The suit states Mueller’s conduct was “outrageous” and goes “beyond all bounds of decency,” stating he knew or should have known his behavior would result in emotional distress.

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1 hour ago, jerseyguy said:

Really?

“Florida man arrested, charged with murder after fatally shooting Burger King worker over drive-thru delay, police say”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-man-arrested-charged-murder-012845094.html

Update. Killer, not wearing a mask, was caught on videotape eating fries just moments later.

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2 hours ago, jerseyguy said:

Really?

“Florida man arrested, charged with murder after fatally shooting Burger King worker over drive-thru delay, police say”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-man-arrested-charged-murder-012845094.html

Why doesn't the news picture him as a convicted fellon that he is? Instead, it goes "Florida man"...

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13 minutes ago, Trovão said:

Why doesn't the news picture him as a convicted fellon that he is? Instead, it goes "Florida man"...

Search optimization.  Felon doesn't get the clicks.  Florida man does.

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2 hours ago, jerseyguy said:

Really?

“Florida man arrested, charged with murder after fatally shooting Burger King worker over drive-thru delay, police say”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-man-arrested-charged-murder-012845094.html

Well in the killers girlfriends defense it was a really large order at $40.  And it got refunded!

Is that for one person or two in Florida?

I'd say that the headlock and fight was pretty inappropriate.  Shooting was not needed either, but that should be obvious.

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I'm reading Scott Turow's The Last Trial.  In it one of the main characters, a defense attorney (Stern), has to interview a witness for the prosecution who lives in Naples, FL.

"In the last two decades, Stern and Helen had their share of friends relocate to Florida to escape income and inheritance taxes up north.  As far as Stern is concerned, no amount of money is worth the change.  With swamps and alligators inland, and the gated communities and shopping malls in the traffic-clotted towns along the coasts, the state seems to Stern like a giant penal colony for American's elderly, where the residents - like characters in a famous play - have been blinded by the sun and do not realize they are actually in hell."

Turow pretty much nailed it.

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3 hours ago, Jules said:

I'm reading Scott Turow's The Last Trial.  In it one of the main characters, a defense attorney (Stern), has to interview a witness for the prosecution who lives in Naples, FL.

"In the last two decades, Stern and Helen had their share of friends relocate to Florida to escape income and inheritance taxes up north.  As far as Stern is concerned, no amount of money is worth the change.  With swamps and alligators inland, and the gated communities and shopping malls in the traffic-clotted towns along the coasts, the state seems to Stern like a giant penal colony for American's elderly, where the residents - like characters in a famous play - have been blinded by the sun and do not realize they are actually in hell."

Turow pretty much nailed it.

went to jacksonville beach last year,  wife insisted we go to StAugustine, (she wanted to see the church there),  the tourist trains running non-stop through town..   I don't understand how anyone could stand to live there..

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3 hours ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

went to jacksonville beach last year,  wife insisted we go to StAugustine, (she wanted to see the church there),  the tourist trains running non-stop through town..   I don't understand how anyone could stand to live there..

Just imagine what it was like before air conditioning.  I read a book about the mad dash to buy up Florida real estate back almost 100 years ago.  What kind of fever overtook their thinking I can't understand.

In the winter, it's paradise.  But that time frame seems to be shrinking.  I'm predicting we will have been under AC 8 months before we can open up our doors to fresh air again.

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6 hours ago, Jules said:

Just imagine what it was like before air conditioning.  I read a book about the mad dash to buy up Florida real estate back almost 100 years ago.  What kind of fever overtook their thinking I can't understand.

In the winter, it's paradise.  But that time frame seems to be shrinking.  I'm predicting we will have been under AC 8 months before we can open up our doors to fresh air again.

AC is a dangerous mistress. You start out using it just for the extreme temps. Then what you consider extreme changes...

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7 hours ago, Gissie said:

AC is a dangerous mistress. You start out using it just for the extreme temps. Then what you consider extreme changes...

For the first 64 years of my life, all in and around Chicago, I probably ran the AC less in all that time than what we did the first year here.  The first four summers here the temperature rarely got above 92.  This year we're seeing 93, 94, 95, 96, a lot.  I can't remember even once in the past four years we had anything above 93.

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

For the first 64 years of my life, all in and around Chicago, I probably ran the AC less in all that time than what we did the first year here.  The first four summers here the temperature rarely got above 92.  This year we're seeing 93, 94, 95, 96, a lot.  I can't remember even once in the past four years we had anything above 93.

In the DC area we 28 days in July that had highs of 90F or more.

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4 minutes ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

usually  60-100%    if in houston   100% 

a texan's biggest problem is getting from his air conditioned house to their air conditioned  car to their air conditioned office without being completely soaked in sweat

I used to take the kids down to Florida to visit my dad during their spring break.  We'd drive down and by the time we got to his front door we all felt we were in paradise.  When the oldest entered high school, his spring break was at a different time than my younger kids.  So we had to visit my dad in summer, usually right after they got out of school.  I remember getting out of the car that first time.  I thought I was being microwaved.  Time must have erased that memory.

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7 hours ago, Jules said:

Getting back to the wonders of Florida...

These bakery owners were just handed a $10,000 COVID relief check. 

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Are you happy for them or have a problem with it?

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4 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

I thick ist up tyo @Jules we applaudde you applauddeng them..... butte what ist thisse ?                                           :)

This thread is about crappy crap going on in Florida. So I wonder if she thinks this is a good thing or not.

I am happy they can keep their business afloat, at least for awhile.

So much is lost in translation via silly internet forums.

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9 hours ago, Jules said:

I used to take the kids down to Florida to visit my dad during their spring break.  We'd drive down and by the time we got to his front door we all felt we were in paradise.  When the oldest entered high school, his spring break was at a different time than my younger kids.  So we had to visit my dad in summer, usually right after they got out of school.  I remember getting out of the car that first time.  I thought I was being microwaved.  Time must have erased that memory.

You got swarmed by the winged ones and melted by summer heat and still moved here to complain?

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2 hours ago, Snaggletooth said:

I thick ist up tyo @Jules we applaudde you applauddeng them..... butte what ist thisse ?                                           :)

They received ten grand as part of the COVID relief money sent to Florida.  COVID is spread because people refuse to wear masks and social distance.  The woman who handed them the check is wearing a mask.  And..............

1 hour ago, Cacoethesic Tom said:

You got swarmed by the winged ones and melted by summer heat and still moved here to complain?

If you've ever moved in with someone, only to later regret it, you know you can't really know someone until you live with them. 

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On 8/6/2020 at 3:37 PM, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

went to jacksonville beach last year,  wife insisted we go to StAugustine, (she wanted to see the church there),  the tourist trains running non-stop through town..   I don't understand how anyone could stand to live there..

Did the summer house thing with the kid and grandparents a while ago.  Over by the natural preserve on the coast aint too bad for a week or so, and our facility is there in o town, so i have been to the space coast.  But Live.....?????    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

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On 8/6/2020 at 7:05 PM, Jules said:

Just imagine what it was like before air conditioning.  I read a book about the mad dash to buy up Florida real estate back almost 100 years ago.  What kind of fever overtook their thinking I can't understand.

In the winter, it's paradise.  But that time frame seems to be shrinking.  I'm predicting we will have been under AC 8 months before we can open up our doors to fresh air again.

Uncle Bought down there in the keys when all that started. Had a couple lots in a couple parks by Bahihiana sp??and a nice tree lined acre or so on no name key.  Visited in my youth, and about 15 yrs ago.  Not bad for the time.  He got em dirt cheap and threw a trailer on.  He had 5 kids, so Cheap Vaca from upstate NY.  No name was never built in and he sold it around the time Iwas there last...  Good times...  We always went in winter around KWRW, so no idea about heat now.  After hurricane devastated his spots, (he sold a long time ago, but still has rights to use them i think) i have not paid much attention.  

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Spent a lot of time on Biscayne Bay,  south of Miami.

Angelfish Creek always looked very good to me as a liveaboard retirement spot. Super fishing, all the langosta you can eat. A trip to Miami/Key Largo every couple of weeks. Pristine water. Life could be worse.

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On 8/8/2020 at 7:20 PM, Snaggletooth said:

Adgreede.  Manney complaine abote notte unddestadeng me..............   juste crazey shitte.........           :)

If you're fluent in Snaggle-eez like those of us who have been around here awhile, we totally understand you.....and agree most of the time.

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7 hours ago, Blue Crab said:

Spent a lot of time on Biscayne Bay,  south of Miami.

Angelfish Creek always looked very good to me as a liveaboard retirement spot. Super fishing, all the langosta you can eat. A trip to Miami/Key Largo every couple of weeks. Pristine water. Life could be worse.

Until its this season....

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2 hours ago, Jules said:

Just wondering - who here has seen boats and homes near them flying Trump flags?

 Jupiter / Stuart full of them , but seem to be getting less, with some Biden signs showing up, 

About the most signs you see are for Brian Mast, He'll probably get my vote , as he's for clean water, wow a republican caring about the clean water and people, and not a Trump puppet like Rubio or D santez.

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3 hours ago, Jules said:

Just wondering - who here has seen boats and homes near them flying Trump flags?

 Quite a few Biden signs in central VT, more BLM than Trump.  Trump signs seem to be outside builder offices, excavation companies.  Literal ditch diggers.

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19 minutes ago, pbd said:

Prolly everyone has seen them.  

Being in CA you might be able to relate - On a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode, Larry Sanders is tired of people coming up to him when he's out in public.  So he gets the idea to wear a MAGA hat.  People start shunning him like the plague.  Seems like a dream world to me.

Here, they run negative campaign ads that say the candidate they are bashing, "didn't even vote for Trump!"  That's what it's like living here.

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I was seeing a surprising number of Trump flags on boats in Pensacola in May 2019. 

We've got them all over our lake in N. Georgia. A Trump boat parade in June drew about 200 boats. A couple of weeks after the June parade, Trump flew to ATL for something but he asked for a low Air Force 1 pass over our lake before he landed in order to salute the folks who did the parade



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Another boat parade is going past my marina on August 29. My dock neighbor suggested I  get a flag and participate, I said no, sorry, I was planning to wash my hair that day.  

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2 minutes ago, MisterMoon said:

I was seeing a surprising number of Trump flags on boats in Pensacola in May 2019. 

We've got them all over our lake in N. Georgia. A Trump boat parade in June drew about 200 boats. A couple of weeks after the June parade, Trump flew to ATL for something but he asked for a low Air Force 1 pass over our lake before he landed. 

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Another boat parade is going past my marina on August 29. My dock neighbor suggested I  get a flag and participate, I said no, sorry, I was planning to wash my hair that day.  

You need to get the baby balloon from the euros.  

 

We must not be a swing state anymore.  No signs yet (even though the entire neighborhood is upper middle class lawyers, dr's and business executives and they all live in tiny houses and they all look just the same.....  :D I digress.) Usually the entire neighborhood is festooned with Trump trash by now, but there are a few BLM signs, they will prob start showing up next month.  Thing is, our city opted out of the state wide defund the police/BLM state mandate to hold cops responsible, so I think things are tempered as tensions are high in regard to political leanings and views on Police politics.  

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Our community had a golf cart "Trump Parade" this past Sunday. Some people complained about it, the Trumpfans complained that people didn't wave and cheer for them.

I make it a point to stay as completely out of politics as I can, locally. No bumper stickers, no yard signs, it's nobody elses' business who I vote for. Especially considering that I work as a volunteer with a number of local elected officials, some whom I voted for, some of whom I not only didn't vote for but donated to the their opponent's campaign.

- DSK

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2 minutes ago, Jules said:

(spoken with a fake Hollywood German accent) We are the chosen.  We are the superior race.

but boy, are we dumb!

That's what always makes me laugh about those clowns.

They are inferior to just about every living thing but think they are the master race.

A sub-category of Dunning-Kruger I guess.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

That's what always makes me laugh about those clowns.

They are inferior to just about every living thing but think they are the master race.

A sub-category of Dunning-Kruger I guess.

Think I read one of the authors saying D-K was for higher level folks. These guys are just dumb. 

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3 hours ago, Blue Crab said:

Think I read one of the authors saying D-K was for higher level folks. These guys are just dumb. 

That author was apparently wrong.

Have you not read the story of McArthur Wheeler AKA The Lemon Juice Bandit?

He was the impetus for D-K's research. I can't imagine it being possible to be dumber than him.

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5 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

That author was apparently wrong.

Have you not read the story of McArthur Wheeler AKA The Lemon Juice Bandit?

He was the impetus for D-K's research. I can't imagine it being possible to be dumber than him.

Clearly you never met Bull Gator......

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On my street close to 41 is a Biden Sign, the 3 Biden's on the corner, then a Trump.  Behind him across the alley is a "Making Liberals Cry Again" flag.  Then my house with a Biden sign,  a Red Tide Rick  sticker and a 86451132020 one.  Then 2 more Trump's down the street.  All in 4 blocks.

Soon to come are "Val Deming For Senator 2022" and a "Nicki Fried For Governor 2022.

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6 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

That author was apparently wrong.

Have you not read the story of McArthur Wheeler AKA The Lemon Juice Bandit?

He was the impetus for D-K's research. I can't imagine it being possible to be dumber than him.

Yes. I stand corrected after googling Wheeler. 

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24 minutes ago, Rasputin22 said:

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Do tell us landlocked minions...  Are all those things dock queens that just do parades and short hops to the sandbar??  Or ate they actually using the triple 300's to cross the gulf stream and get to the good fishin as designed???  

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There is a nice boatlaunch at the end of our Bayou. It is only about 1.5 miles from the launch to the pass to the Gulf. Until about 3 years ago there was no speed limit down the Bayou until you got to the junction of the Bayou, the Perdido Pass and bridge, and Terry Cove which has some nice white sand dredge Islands AND a speed limit. Marine Police HQ overlooks this junction and the spoil islands are immensely popular with the motorboaters. Now there is no wake zone all the way down the Bayou and it doesn't stop until you are under the bridge and between the jetties of Perdido Pass. This has made life on the Bayou infinitely better and my favorite thing to do is go out on our dock and watch such overpowered centerconsoles have to creep all the way to open water and no Jet Skis anymore to boot. Orange Beach is a pretty serious fishing town (with a drinking problem) so there are lots of such gas guzzlers that do get out into the Gulf for some serious fishing but what you see in my photo above is unfortunately the typical headset of the 'boating public' around here...

 

High shot of Terry Cove in Orange Beach, AL. Click the link to ...

 

This is an idea of the local literacy rate.

 

 

Best Things to Do in Orange Beach, Alabama | Hello Little Home

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7 hours ago, shaggy said:

Do tell us landlocked minions...  Are all those things dock queens that just do parades and short hops to the sandbar??  Or ate they actually using the triple 300's to cross the gulf stream and get to the good fishin as designed???  

Dock queens and rulers of the sandbars once church gets out.

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14 hours ago, Jkdubz808 said:

Dock queens and rulers of the sandbars once church gets out.

So basically, They all have Huge Penises right??