jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, MR.CLEAN said: It seems that is precisely what you want, along with the Trump stock market and the Trump coronavirus. I want to thank you for your service in doing what the democratic party could never do: ending the reign of the GOP. Cheers to you and all your kind. Is that your way of saying that you can make no case for the premise that Trump fucked the stock market? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, jzk said: That is your case for Trump fucking the stock market? About is good as your previous attempts at legal analysis. Trump is bloviating right now about how great he is. Is it what we want from a President? There is a good case that we would be better off without it. But would the stock market not be fucked? Hardly. Predictability and confidence. Covid19 fucked up the first, trump fucked up the second. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, jzk said: Is that your way of saying that you can make no case for the premise that Trump fucked the stock market? i don't bother 'making cases' to folks like you. i just thank you for your service. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, roundthebuoys said: Predictability and confidence. Covid19 fucked up the first, trump fucked up the second. Not much of a case. The stock market is temporarily fucked due to the mass hysteria over the virus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, MR.CLEAN said: i don't bother 'making cases' to folks like you. i just thank you for your service. Must be a bunch of folks like me here because it seems you can't make a case for much of anything on this forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 i would like you to keep focusing on the awfulness of the panic and downplaying the virus, and the more public your pleas, the better. Can you continue helping please? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, jzk said: Must be a bunch of folks like me here because it seems you can't make a case for much of anything on this forum. must be tons. Please don't go out and catch the virus. please focus on downplaying it for the next few weeks. Or at least until you are wearing a plastic water bottle on your head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,589 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 41 minutes ago, Keith said: Are you too stupid to watch how the markets move in real time, as your President speaks. Rhetorical question I presume? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, jzk said: Not much of a case. The stock market is temporarily fucked due to the mass hysteria over the virus. It answers your question perfectly. "How did Trump fuck up the stock market". The virus fucked up the stock market, Trump exacerbated it. He isn't 100% to blame by any means, but the virus and him in concert created the lack of predictability and confidence. There's no hysteria, other than on TV. My town is getting crushed. No one is hysterical but we're doing what's right and it's killing us. Change the channel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, MR.CLEAN said: must be tons. Please don't go out and catch the virus. please focus on downplaying it for the next few weeks. I asked a simple question. How did Trump fuck the stock market. No one has yet made any case for such. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, roundthebuoys said: It answers your question perfectly. "How did Trump fuck up the stock market". The virus fucked up the stock market, Trump exacerbated it. He isn't 100% to blame by any means, but the virus and him in concert created the lack of predictability and confidence. There's no hysteria, other than on TV. My town is getting crushed. No one is hysterical but we're doing what's right and it's killing us. Change the channel. If your town is doing what is right and you are getting crushed, then what does Trump have to do with it? Certainly Trump's words play into very short term swings because the market is always hanging on such things. But there is very little evidence, and certainly no case made here today, that Trump's words contributed to the stock market being fucked in any significant way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, SloopJonB said: Rhetorical question I presume? Look who isn't ignoring me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: i would like you to keep focusing on the awfulness of the panic and downplaying the virus, and the more public your pleas, the better. Can you continue helping please? What evidence do you have that i am focusing on the awfulness of the panic and that I am downplaying the virus? Or is it just when you are full of shit and can't make a case for something, you just start making up other shit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, jzk said: If your town is doing what is right and you are getting crushed, then what does Trump have to do with it? Certainly Trump's words play into very short term swings because the market is always hanging on such things. But there is very little evidence, and certainly no case made here today, that Trump's words contributed to the stock market being fucked in any significant way. His response from day 1 has not inspired a drip of confidence. As Eva Dent by the DJIA. Maybe you personally are fine, but obviously the Street and millions of others don't feel confident. They are not ALL wrong are they? Do you think the decision makers from the major three airlines, NBA, NHL, MLB, et al. watch TV to make billion dollar losing decisions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, roundthebuoys said: His response from day 1 has not inspired a drip of confidence. As Eva Dent by the DJIA. Maybe you personally are fine, but obviously the Street and millions of others don't feel confident. They are not ALL wrong are they? Do you think the decision makers from the major three airlines, NBA, NHL, MLB, et al. watch TV to make billion dollar losing decisions? People don't feel confident because they are panicking over the virus that is spreading throughout our country. We can debate the appropriateness of Trump's words, but there is little evidence, and none presented here, that it has much to do with the stock market being fucked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, jzk said: I asked a simple question. How did Trump fuck the stock market. No one has yet made any case for such. that's no fun. what's fun is watching you squirm as the world burns. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, MR.CLEAN said: that's no fun. what's fun is watching you squirm as the world burns. Why would anyone "squirm" over your inability to make a case for anything? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 JZK still thinks that guys with 200B under management make trades based on 'panic'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, MR.CLEAN said: JZK still thinks that guys with 200B under management make trades based on 'panic'. Clean still hasn't made a case for anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, jzk said: People don't feel confident because they are panicking over the virus that is spreading throughout our country. We can debate the appropriateness of Trump's words, but there is little evidence, and none presented here, that it has much to do with the stock market being fucked. Who is panicking? We're doing what we are being asked to do from guidance of our Feds, Governors, mayors, etc. Are they panicking? If it helps, I live in the reddest of red states. And you changed the subject, I never said Trump's words affect my town. We were talking about the stock market. And the evidence you seek is the 10,000 point drop in DJIA. What part Trump has in that is not quantifiable, it doesn't mean he has NO part in it. You're asking for data that doesn't exist, but there' is evidence. (DJIA). Show me data that says he has NO part of it then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, roundthebuoys said: Who is panicking? We're doing what we are being asked to do from guidance of our Feds, Governors, mayors, etc. Are they panicking? If it helps, I live in the reddest of red states. And you changed the subject, I never said Trump's words affect my town. We were talking about the stock market. And the evidence you seek is the 10,000 point drop in DJIA. What part Trump has in that is not quantifiable, it doesn't mean he has NO part in it. You're asking for data that doesn't exist, but there' is evidence. (DJIA). Show me data that says he has NO part of it then. Are you for real? The people buying the toilet paper? The position was that Trump fucked the stock market. I asked how he fucked the stock market, and no one has made any case for such. The stock market is fucked over panic. Maybe you aren't panicking, but plenty are. Why are you taking guidance from government officials? Do they have any special training or knowledge regarding this virus? Are you in a high risk group? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I made the downpayment for my next house by playing a couple of housing-related stocks that still permitted short sales last week. I would like Trump giving all the press conferences for the next few weeks and JZK to continue to provide the analysis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: Nope, but I made the downpayment for my next house by playing a couple of housing-related stocks that still permitted short sales last week. I would like Trump giving all the press conferences for the next few weeks and JZK to continue to provide the analysis. Doesn't sound like much of a case for anything. But I guess that is to be expected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 As long as you continue to focus on everything except the disease and the federal governments response to it, we're good. I thank you and all of your kind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, MR.CLEAN said: As long as you continue to focus on everything except the disease and the federal governments response to it, we're good. I thank you and all of your kind. Your well being depends on me? Who knew. It would really suck if my well being depended upon members of this forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, jzk said: Are you for real? The people buying the toilet paper? The position was that Trump fucked the stock market. I asked how he fucked the stock market, and no one has made any case for such. The stock market is fucked over panic. Maybe you aren't panicking, but plenty are. Why are you taking guidance from government officials? Do they have any special training or knowledge regarding this virus? Are you in a high risk group? Fuck it. You do you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, roundthebuoys said: Fuck it. You do you. Someone said that Trump fucked the stock market. I asked how so, and this is what I got. Kinda lame, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Borracho 2,626 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, jzk said: Clean still hasn't made a case for anything. Facts do not need to have a case made for them. They just are. All sophisticated investors know for a fact that the president can jawbone markets up and down. Even unsophisticated yet experienced investors know that. These investors also know that it is not the president's actual words that move the market. They are trading on the knock-on effect of how other investors will behave in the market when hearing the words. Bets on future outcomes. Even microseconds in the future. Trump is the president. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, jzk said: Someone said that Trump fucked the stock market. I asked how so, and this is what I got. Kinda lame, no? Yes you're lame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhc 173 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Cristoforo said: He's doing great . The market didn't fall while he was speaking today! We hit the bottom! Ahem...It's Saturday. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, El Boracho said: Facts do not need to have a case made for them. They just are. All sophisticated investors know for a fact that the president can jawbone markets up and down. Even unsophisticated yet experienced investors know that. These investors also know that it is not the president's actual words that move the market. They are trading on the knock-on effect of how other investors will behave in the market when hearing the words. Bets on future outcomes. Even microseconds in the future. Trump is the president. Someone made the statement that Trump fucked the stock market. Not that Trump influenced the stock market. Not that Trump jawboned the market up and down. He fucked it. I asked how he fucked it. No one, including you, seems to be able to make the case for such. And no problem. Not many cases made on this forum anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, jzk said: Your well being depends on me? Who knew. It would really suck if my well being depended upon members of this forum. My well being depends on me and my family. My ability to get a decent windfall from my real estate knowledge depends on unjustifiable optimism that 'it isn't that bad' from folks who give me the upticks I need. Folks like you, or folks who listen to folks like you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, jzk said: Someone made the statement that Trump fucked the stock market. Not that Trump influenced the stock market. Not that Trump jawboned the market up and down. He fucked it. I asked how he fucked it. No one, including you, seems to be able to make the case for such. And no problem. Not many cases made on this forum anyway. Doggy stylin' 101. Try not to infect anyone else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 4,324 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 The virus was the tipping point - record deficits, tax cuts for business that only led to stock buybacks (propping up prices) continually lowered interest rates etc. artificially continued the market increases. It's like 2008 never happened. So there never was a correction and now thanks in part to the previous welcome to the depression. And before you ask why was this done? Because the market was Trump's big bragging point knowing that as long as it appeared he was Making America Great Again he would be elected again. Trump's desk should have a plaque The Buck Drops Here You're Welcome Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, roundthebuoys said: Doggy stylin' 101. Try not to infect anyone else. Talking point for the day: "Debate the meaning of 'fucked'" Gettin pretty thin on the ground Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, MR.CLEAN said: Talking point for the day: "Debate the meaning of 'fucked'" Gettin pretty thin on the ground Or "case" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhc 173 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, jzk said: Someone made the statement that Trump fucked the stock market. Not that Trump influenced the stock market. Not that Trump jawboned the market up and down. He fucked it. I asked how he fucked it. No one, including you, seems to be able to make the case for such. And no problem. Not many cases made on this forum anyway. I'll bite. A quick survey of the dates of administration press conferences, and the fall of stock prices show a direct correlation. When administration press conferences were few and far between, record stock prices. Administration press conferences common, stocks freefall. A halt on all whitehouse communications might have saved your portfolio... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 319 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, jzk said: Is that your case that Trump fucked up the stock market? Not a very good case at all. Dogs wag tails. Tails do not wag dogs. Signalling is a very important process in the stock market. Trump has not done a good job at this by any means. Remember on another forum a discussion of Henry II of England having an off hand remark of "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest". Shows the effect of offhand remarks in the hand of a dictator. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Borracho 2,626 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: Talking point for the day: "Debate the meaning of 'fucked'" Gettin pretty thin on the ground Trump fucking with the stock market is closely related the @jzk jerking off with this forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cristoforo said: That's fantastic! Congratulations! Which stocks? Most have been crashing for a month. Pretty much every real estate stock I could find with an uptick. Have some cash laying around for next house. Closing all positions end of each day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Lada 5,107 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: JZK still thinks that guys with 200B under management make trades based on 'panic'. If the guys with 200B under management were so smart, then there would be more Warren Buffets out there. I will say they are smart enough to collect huge salaries while playing with OPM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: My well being depends on me and my family. My ability to get a decent windfall from my real estate knowledge depends on unjustifiable optimism that 'it isn't that bad' from folks who give me the upticks I need. Folks like you, or folks who listen to folks like you. So in response to the question "How did Trump fuck the stock market," you come in here and tell everyone how you are making a killing over this tragedy? That is great! Not only are you a forum dipshit, but a great guy to boot. Are you making money by providing the public with desired goods and services? Or just capitalizing on fear and panic? You just can't make this shit up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, jzk said: Are you making money by providing the public with desired goods and services? Or just capitalizing on fear and panic? I'm just following the lead of the senators, and no, the downpayment on the new house is not 'a killing'. you are the weird fuck who chooses to use words like that during a pandemic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, MR.CLEAN said: I'm just following the lead of the senators, and no, the downpayment on the new house is not 'a killing'. you are the weird fuck who chooses to use words like that during a pandemic. The Senators are not here talking about how much money they are making. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: I'm just following the lead of the senators, and no, the downpayment on the new house is not 'a killing'. you are the weird fuck who chooses to use words like that during a pandemic. To the average American, a downpayment on a house procured during the evolution of this virus outbreak is "a killing." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Lada 5,107 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, jzk said: The Senators are not here talking about how much money they are making. Brilliant observation. And to think, people here think you are a useless dolt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, jzk said: The Senators are not here talking about how much money they are making. they'll be talking about it with the DOJ in 2021 when there's no pardon on the table and all their e-mails and phone records have been turned over to the Feds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, jzk said: To the average American, a downpayment on a house procured during the evolution of this virus outbreak is "a killing." what's an average american? are you concerned with their plight? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ed Lada said: Brilliant observation. And to think, people here think you are a useless dolt. Yes, thank you for keeping that distinction clear - "people here." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, Laker said: Dogs wag tails. Tails do not wag dogs. Signalling is a very important process in the stock market. Trump has not done a good job at this by any means. Remember on another forum a discussion of Henry II of England having an off hand remark of "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest". Shows the effect of offhand remarks in the hand of a dictator. Trump's remarks are petty and childish buffoonary, for the most part. But "fucked the stock market?" I don't think so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 did they effect the stock market? If so, what portion of the 30 % drop from highs is due to Trump's failure to prepare and what portion is from his semi-literate public comments? Do you need some charts for your analysis? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 2,841 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, jzk said: Someone said that Trump fucked the stock market. I asked how so, and this is what I got. Kinda lame, no? The stock market would have tanked with or without competent leadership. It’s a matter of degree. The market responded to the reality on the ground which is a lot closer to the red bit than the blue bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, jzk said: Trump's remarks are petty and childish buffoonary, for the most part. But "fucked the stock market?" I don't think so. Like Clean said. Now we're arguing over the word "fucked". How about exacerbated? Did the childish buffoonery affect the stock market in a positive or negative way? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,190 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 hours ago, jzk said: How did he fuck it up? Really? There’s no point in pointing out his lack of leadership in being proactive, in fact actively delaying the govt response. Criminal if it was so fucking incompetent. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 319 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 The price of a stock is the integral over time of all its adjusted return via dividends over its life. Finance 101. It is hard to hold a good stock down if it returns dividends. We will see which companies are real next dividend cycle. The issue will be what happens to those companies that cannot survive? Low level energy companies are a good candidate. The startups that do not declare dividends are another. Will this be the end of a neo-liberal approach to American economics. I think that it will be modified in the least. There is a question whether capital can survive a hiatus of return. Can the landlord (or other debtholder) actually expect the payback of 6 months of lost rent in the post-nova economy? 0% FED tends to do things like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 319 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 hours ago, jzk said: Trump's remarks are petty and childish buffoonary, for the most part. But "fucked the stock market?" I don't think so. Tell that to Thomas A' Beckett. And your analysis, which is contrary to most of the stuff I have been reading, is based on what? There has been a lot of systems dynamics work done on the nova problem in terms of the economy. At the moment we are definitely in an underdamped situation. In other words, out of control. As with all systems, they can drop and if properly, under control. Parachutes do wonders to control an underdamped fall from an airplane. The President has had a lot of chances to add a bit of control. He has failed miserably, therefore, fucked up. Have him look at some of the other constituencies that are reacting well to a Bretton Woods effect on their economy. The US dollar controls the commercial world. Otherwise there would be no effect by US sanctions on places like Iran. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,190 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Laker said: Tell that to Thomas A' Beckett. And your analysis, which is contrary to most of the stuff I have been reading, is based on what? There has been a lot of systems dynamics work done on the nova problem in terms of the economy. At the moment we are definitely in an underdamped situation. In other words, out of control. As with all systems, they can drop and if properly, under control. Parachutes do wonders to control an underdamped fall from an airplane. The President has had a lot of chances to add a bit of control. He has failed miserably, therefore, fucked up. Have him look at some of the other constituencies that are reacting well to a Bretton Woods effect on their economy. The US dollar controls the commercial world. Otherwise there would be no effect by US sanctions on places like Iran. Jerkie still buys into the perfect info/ Rational Expectations BS from Chicago. the short term market is the absolute opposite of the basic required conditions of that economic theory. perfect info? Then why were senators selling before anyone else? Rational? Are herds rational? poor Jerkoff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not for nothing 494 Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 hours ago, jzk said: Trump's remarks are petty and childish buffoonary, for the most part. But "fucked the stock market?" I don't think so. I've already explained to the reason why he f'd the market up, quickly, low interest rates , REPRO $$', QE $$, and more. all the things Obama did in the great recession, thought he hate the O man so why is he using it since elected? But the bottom line is H.S. Turman said "The buck stops here" , where as Drump plays pass the buck, It's everyone else fault, well if that's true what do we need him for? He and is intel knew it was happening late 2019? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Raz'r said: Jerkie still buys into the perfect info/ Rational Expectations BS from Chicago. the short term market is the absolute opposite of the basic required conditions of that economic theory. perfect info? Then why were senators selling before anyone else? Rational? Are herds rational? poor Jerkoff. He probably also thinks that wealthy people have money due to their hard work and intelligence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,589 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 He is? You think someone that clueless could amass significant wealth? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,421 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, SloopJonB said: He is? You think someone that clueless could amass significant wealth? It's been known to happen. Generally they lose it all though, and if they don't then their kids give all to lawyers fighting each other before they OD. - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not for nothing 494 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Is this thing by design? In florida 99% of the service industry was shut down last night, rstuarants, bars, beaches, at a weird hour 1700 , ( 5 pm ) in the middle of happy hours , people ordering meals, wtf. Why not do it at the end of the day /normal closing hours and then not reopen in the AM, I think it was to point out we're ( the government ) is in control. The other interesting fact was bars/restuarants closed , but Gun stores were open , with lines down the streeets, and no safe distance between people, weird or is it me? You would think in time of crisis they would be the first to shut their doors? So lets see we have first time gun owners at home , with no sports, no TP, with plenty of booze , wife /kids yelling and screaming and no money !Can't wait to see the death rate on that, ( most people that shoot some one knows that person) I also think Drump's days are numbered , for a couple reasons , this not what he signed up for. he see's the writing on the wall about his fake economy, the stock market falling to nothing, or maybe just a nervous break down, .. or the Central Banks don't have any more use for him, and cut his puppet strings. we are a nation of debt and now with more unemployment it will get much worst Are the Central banks going to come out with a new fiat currency? your dollars may be useless with a negative interest rate? Drump done 4/23/20 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Michigan made >50 person gatherings illegal but exempted religious services. I was thinking it was a great way to ensure that all the devout thumpers get the sacrament of the covid. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,500 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 common sense, Why is it so hard to find down there..... ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, Keith said: common sense, Why is it so hard to find down there..... ? We have allowed it to be removed surgically by lobbyists. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,589 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 3 hours ago, garuda3 said: Gun stores were open , with lines down the streeets, and no safe distance between people, weird or is it me? Nope - it's Darwin stepping up to the plate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,589 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said: Michigan made >50 person gatherings illegal but exempted religious services. I was thinking it was a great way to ensure that all the devout thumpers get the sacrament of the covid. They should all take communion for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 10,600 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, SloopJonB said: They should all take communion for sure. They should all get circumcised, just in case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,589 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 you misspelled sterilized. Or were you trying for castrated? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not for nothing 494 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 18 hours ago, jzk said: To the average American, a downpayment on a house procured during the evolution of this virus outbreak is "a killing." For us vets no down payment required, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not for nothing 494 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Not for nothing:Trumps goal when elected was eliminate O's legacy. if he suceeds the dow would have to close below 7000pts, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 16 hours ago, garuda3 said: I've already explained to the reason why he f'd the market up, quickly, low interest rates , REPRO $$', QE $$, and more. all the things Obama did in the great recession, thought he hate the O man so why is he using it since elected? But the bottom line is H.S. Turman said "The buck stops here" , where as Drump plays pass the buck, It's everyone else fault, well if that's true what do we need him for? He and is intel knew it was happening late 2019? Do you really want the President of the United States managing the stock market? The President is the head of the executive branch of government, not the economy. The less the President has to do with the economy, the better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,421 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, jzk said: Do you really want the President of the United States managing the stock market? The President is the head of the executive branch of government, not the economy. The less the President has to do with the economy, the better. Agreed. This is why the Federal Reserve was originally established as seperated from political influence. Almost every President since then has tried to control it so they can manipulate the economy to help them (or their buddies) get elected. This invariably leads to economic harm to the country. - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 12 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said: Michigan made >50 person gatherings illegal but exempted religious services. I was thinking it was a great way to ensure that all the devout thumpers get the sacrament of the covid. You think it is great that people get the virus, especially those with whom you disagree politically and philosophically? I was right. You really are a great guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 “A great way to get the virus”. RIF, counselor. Whitmer claimed on meet the press that she could not restrict religious gatherings because church/state. She is either lying or very poorly advised. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not for nothing 494 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, jzk said: Do you really want the President of the United States managing the stock market? The President is the head of the executive branch of government, not the economy. The less the President has to do with the economy, the better. agreed , but this potus has been trying like hell to control the market, to get reelected, As you always hear him putting down the feds/ Powell , to get is own way pushing for negative interest rates. If the economy was as good as he said interest rates should have been going up, ( to keep inflation in control). Bad economy = lower interest rates , Good economy =higher interest rates Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said: Clown. "Michigan made >50 person gatherings illegal but exempted religious services. I was thinking it was a great way to ensure that all the devout thumpers get the sacrament of the covid." Clean thinks that a way to ensure that Trump supporters get the virus is "great." That goes way beyond clown territory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, jzk said: You think it is great that people get the virus, especially those with whom you disagree politically and philosophically? I was right. You really are a great guy. go to church, god needs to hear from you 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: go to church, god needs to hear from you Yeah, no doubt that would be your response. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, jzk said: Yeah, no doubt that would be your response. I have a lightly used mask you can borrow. Easy to don, you don't even have to drop the pearls you're clutching. The CEO says FEDEX is busier than ever. Should I send it to your office or home address?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, MR.CLEAN said: I have a lightly used mask you can borrow. The CEO says FEDEX is busier than ever. Should I send it to your office or home address?. ""Michigan made >50 person gatherings illegal but exempted religious services. I was thinking it was a great way to ensure that all the devout thumpers get the sacrament of the covid."- Clean In a crisis, we get to see what people are really made of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, jzk said: In a crisis, we get to see what people are really made of. You are absolutely right. The sad thing is that you didn't notice the crisis when you and your friends created it in 2016, and we've seen exactly what you are made of as you diverted and pretended there was no crisis for the past three years. Now that we see what a carnival barker does when elected president thanks to you and your elk, and the blood of the dead is on your hands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, MR.CLEAN said: You are absolutely right. The sad thing is that you didn't notice the crisis when you and your friends created in 3 years ago, and we've seen exactly what you are made of as you diverted and pretended there was no crisis. The blood of the dead is on your hands. Is that the best you can say as you are wishing the very serious corona virus on those that disagree with you? ""Michigan made >50 person gatherings illegal but exempted religious services. I was thinking it was a great way to ensure that all the devout thumpers get the sacrament of the covid."- Clean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 If god wants to send a disease down that disproportionately effects His devotees, who am I to argue with him? I mean, if He doesn't want them to get sick, he won't let them, right? Go to church, counselor. God misses you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jzk 1,736 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: If god wants to send a disease down that disproportionately effects His devotees, who am I to argue with him? I mean, if He doesn't want them to get sick, he won't let them, right? Go to church, counselor. God misses you. So which is it? You want people to get sick or your imaginary friend in the sky wants people to get sick? Your words have indicated a desire that religious Trump supporters should get sick: ""Michigan made >50 person gatherings illegal but exempted religious services. I was thinking it was a great way to ensure that all the devout thumpers get the sacrament of the covid."- Clean Did you not mean to say that? Maybe you would like to walk it back? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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