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5 hours ago, Cristoforo said:

Moronic 

 

Yes, yes you are. Bless your little heart....

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This is a really long and detailed article so I doubt many will bother to read it - but it encapsulates why I support and voted for Warren. Why I believe she is our best hope for the future and what will happen to the USA if we don't make the right choice.

If you choose to disagree I ask that you read this before answering - and who knows you might actually learn something about where we are, how we got here and what our choices going forward are. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/27/21150341/elizabeth-warren-procedural-reform-social-trust

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31 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

This is a really long and detailed article so I doubt many will bother to read it - but it encapsulates why I support and voted for Warren. Why I believe she is our best hope for the future and what will happen to the USA if we don't make the right choice.

If you choose to disagree I ask that you read this before answering - and who knows you might actually learn something about where we are, how we got here and what our choices going forward are. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/27/21150341/elizabeth-warren-procedural-reform-social-trust

Spot on. But I can't vote.

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3 hours ago, d'ranger said:

This is a really long and detailed article so I doubt many will bother to read it - but it encapsulates why I support and voted for Warren. Why I believe she is our best hope for the future and what will happen to the USA if we don't make the right choice.

If you choose to disagree I ask that you read this before answering - and who knows you might actually learn something about where we are, how we got here and what our choices going forward are. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/27/21150341/elizabeth-warren-procedural-reform-social-trust

That's not long and detailed at all, at least compared to the laws and court decisions I like to read. Anyway.

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over the last several decades, conservatives have waged war on social and political trust, calling into question the fairness and independence of almost every major US institution from journalism to academia to science. They have created parallel institutions of their own, meant to support their factional interests. And they have relentlessly cast “libs” as an enemy within — an alien, hostile, and ultimately illegitimate force.

Gee, sounds like he is saying that conservatives are an alien, hostile, and ultimately illegitimate force.

They probably like dead kids and so need their (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) taken away.

Two great ways to build trust there.

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6 hours ago, d'ranger said:

This is a really long and detailed article so I doubt many will bother to read it - but it encapsulates why I support and voted for Warren. Why I believe she is our best hope for the future and what will happen to the USA if we don't make the right choice.

If you choose to disagree I ask that you read this before answering - and who knows you might actually learn something about where we are, how we got here and what our choices going forward are. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/27/21150341/elizabeth-warren-procedural-reform-social-trust

I read it - and I actually agree completely with the need for social trust.  Not surprisingly, I find the target of blame to be myopic, and the prescribed path forward to be laughingly one-sided, discounting the societal, demographic and scale differences between the Utopia he thinks that Denmark is and the changes it would take to make the US "look like Denmark".   While I can accept some of the individual points and observations?  The overall premise sounds like he's only looking right to find what's wrong, when he oughta be looking over his left shoulder for the same things.   "Stolen election in 2000"??  It's exactly THIS kind of rhetoric that decreases the "social trust" that the author claims to want to improve.   IF the Ds actually manage to pull their heads outta their collective tails and win the WH in 2020?  It'll be interesting to see how they react to the same cries of "Not My President" and "Impeach them", and the constant effort not to find common ground, but, to demean and diminish the opposition.  

Will any of that change if we get one of the current D nominees?  Maybe - if Pete B gets the nod, I could see him bringing folks together.  Every other candidate ( to include Trump)  has an attitude of "F*CK YOU - WE WON - KISS MY ASS"  - that will certainly work to re-establish social trust. 

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1 hour ago, Cristoforo said:

So Warren is the one to build trust?   The same woman who lied about her Cherokee heritage, her parents elopement, about Bloomberg blaming minorities for 2008 crash, about Klobuchar and Buttigieg healthcare plans,   about where her kids went to school, about her teacher job termination, plagiarized in her cookbook, about fulfilling her senate term . WTF?   The woman is a serial pathological liar. 

 

If telling the truth matters, she would be running against Trump, who lies virtually every time he opens his mouth. How can you be so out of touch with reality?

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1 hour ago, Cristoforo said:

So Warren is the one to build trust?   The same woman who lied about her Cherokee heritage, her parents elopement, about Bloomberg blaming minorities for 2008 crash, about Klobuchar and Buttigieg healthcare plans,   about where her kids went to school, about her teacher job termination, plagiarized in her cookbook, about fulfilling her senate term . WTF?   The woman is a serial pathological liar. 

 

Fascinating how much you appear to hate the poor woman.

Plagiarized a cook book? Oh My.

Is it personal or political? 

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1 minute ago, Cristoforo said:

Meli,
I dont hate he.  I dont even know her. 
I do think she is a horrible choice for president and she must have some sort of personal defect that sets her
truth value  so low.   I suspect it may be due to having some psychological need to attain goals she may not think she
is qualified for to get into schools, obtain jobs, etc  Like claiming she was Apache, then Cherokee, then apparently nothing.    
She speaks with forked tongue. There are better Democratic candidates on platforms and honesty.    

you certainly seem to reserve you're ire particularly for her.

Bloomberg has some really objectionable traits,Racism, Sexism , yet you don't give him the same treatment instead you complain about things that are really quite trivial as well as unproven to be deliberate falsehoods. 

Seems to me you'll believe any bad press about Warren no matter how trivial..Very curious.

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2 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

The Republican machine could make Jesus look like Satan. It’s easier for them to hate women & non-whites, but they’ll go after old white guys too.

Jesus would be an easy target for Trump and his people. Jesus was clearly a democratic socialist.

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2 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

you certainly seem to reserve you're ire particularly for her.

Bloomberg has some really objectionable traits,Racism, Sexism , yet you don't give him the same treatment instead you complain about things that are really quite trivial as well as unproven to be deliberate falsehoods. 

Seems to me you'll believe any bad press about Warren no matter how trivial..Very curious.

Christoforo is who Warren is talking about. Speaking of trust he sure tries to hide the previous ID, prolly because got flicked.  I really admire the "they all suck" gang.  Even Happy Jack would be for something every blue moon or leap year. 

 

 

edit: She plagiarized a cookbook? Oh my, that sounds like a recipe for disaster. Speaking of plagiarizing, from the joke thread I accidentally swallowed some scrabble tiles last night - my next trip to the bathroom could spell disaster. 

I'll be here all week, be sure to thank the servers. 

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2 hours ago, Cristoforo said:

Meli, stop projecting your traits and making unfounded accusations and leaps of logic (like Warren  does). Those are not unproven falsehoods  You lie!  Unlike her accusations and innuendo against others, all of these things have come directly out of her mouth and are on record.  But go ahead and believe what you like. 

There  is a woman  in that debate I would vote for. And a gay guy too. (For a lower office simply because of experience) and even Steyer 

A Biden, Sanders,  Warren nomination is writing a guaranteed ticket to a Trump victory. 

Is that what you want Comrade Meli? That is very curious! Are you a double agent for Trump? 

You are fooling nobody. Keep it up and you can enjoy getting flicked yet again.

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1 hour ago, Cristoforo said:

I gotta idea d’ranged

Why don’t  you eat me?

and quit the stalking me, it’s creepy. Else I will report you to the  moderators 

Go for it asshole. Let me know what happens.  And i don't eat shit, thanks anyway.

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This would almost be amusing, if it wasn't so pathetic..... No..... It's amusing! Go on!:rolleyes::D

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1 hour ago, Cristoforo said:

I gotta idea d’ranged

Why don’t  you eat me?

and quit the stalking me, it’s creepy. Else I will report you to the  moderators 

Aw..someone getting all bothered.

Bless his heart.

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Why Elizabeth Warren Didn't Win
 

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Unlike most Reason readers, I was a Warren fan before this campaign—such a Warren fan, in fact, that six months before Trump was elected, I made a bet that Clinton would lose and Warren would be the first female president. But then she pivoted from the reformer who went after banks and stood up for the consumer into the sort of social media justice warrior who thinks she speaks for marginalized people while actually speaking over them. Despite this ill-advised rebranding, she still had plenty of ideas that I liked, from universal preschool to boosting small business to ending for-profit prisons and getting rid of the Electoral College. But her good ideas were too easily overshadowed by her bad ones. 

Take, for instance, the LGBTQ town hall (which was a bad idea in the first place). Warren was asked by a 9-year-old trans boy named Jacob what she, as president, would do to keep kids like him safe. Instead of telling him the truth ("Jacob, bullying is sort of a local issue but I recommend a kickboxing class"), she said that she would let this 9-year-old kid vet the next secretary of education. This may have played well in that room, but she wasn't running to be the president of the Gay-Straight Alliance; she was running to be president of the United States.

Now, I don't think she actually would have marched Jacob into the Senate confirmation hearings any more than I think she would have passed Medicare of All with or without raising taxes. She was just pandering, and I don't really fault her for that—pandering is part of campaigning and all politicians do it—but it doesn't matter whether or not she would have actually let a third grader veto her cabinet picks. What matters is that she said it on live television, and had she won the nomination, it would have come back to bite her in the ass in the general election. There were a mountain of moments like this, and against Trump she would not have stood a chance.

Warren could have focused on the working class; instead, she focused on the wokest class. She advocated for social positions that may resonate with highly educated, largely white activists but just don't appeal to a broad base of Americans across race and class. She talked about nonbinary driver's licenses and advocated for trans women to play women's sports and used the term "traffic violence" when the rest of us simply say "car crash." She's out of touch—or at least, her advisers are—and there aren't enough Oberlin grads for her to win Ohio, much less the swing states that will likely determine the outcome of the 2020 race. So here's why I didn't vote for Elizabeth Warren: because she would have given us four more years of Trump. That isn't sexism; it's math.

 

Sorry as usual about the Koch-$pon$ored Trump cheerleading.

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