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Just now, Raz'r said:

Yeah, the 2 that have it worse right now of my co-workers are basically bedridden and getting some of the treatments that have been developed. Fortunately no need to be hospitalized.

They are mid-40s. One is male, great shape. One is female, and a normal healthy person.

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BTW, I gave Mikey a time out, which will be the same response anyone gets for calling the coronavirus response measures 'hysteria' or peddling misinformation that could hurt someone.

I'm day 9 of symptoms and still in the middle if it. Let me tell you,  getting a viral load from convience store handle much less than getting it from being in a maskless patients face coughing on you

It is not whether it offends, it is whether it is dangerous. Spreading false information about the dangers of a pandemic can kill people. Most forums have a ratio of between 10 and 100 lurkers to ever

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13 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

You couldn't reply to the error I pointed out.  So, you try to change the subject.  Typical.

Wut?  Breakthrough infections are well known and cases of infection are known to be much milder. Exceptions to the rule always can be found and some people will need a boosters shot  but so what?  Covid is now endemic and as long as you’re vaccinated you can live with that just fine without a mask.

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5 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Wut?  Breakthrough infections are well known and cases of infection are known to be much milder. Exceptions to the rule always can be found and some people will need a boosters shot  but so what?  Covid is now endemic and as long as you’re vaccinated you can live with that just fine without a mask.

Typical Gator behavior.  He spoke of "breakthrough infections (meaning the individuals were vaxxed) and you responded, having completely missed the point.  Stick to the gym, and hanging outside the Playboy Mansion.

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7 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Wut?  Breakthrough infections are well known and cases of infection are known to be much milder. Exceptions to the rule always can be found and some people will need a boosters shot  but so what?  Covid is now endemic and as long as you’re vaccinated you can live with that just fine without a mask.

Fukednews. Use your special research tools to examine the death toll in counties that TFG won STRONGLY, compared to the ones that he lost, STRONGLY. 3:1 ratio. Smart Autocrats kill the others supporters.

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2 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Typical Gator behavior.  He spoke of "breakthrough infections (meaning the individuals were vaxxed) and you responded, having completely missed the point.  Stick to the gym, and hanging outside the Playboy Mansion.

And making predictions on Gator football.  If UF wins out, and Michigan loses out, Michigan will have the better record.  You obviously know shit about CFB or immunology.  Vaccinated people are still dying, not quite "as long as you’re vaccinated you can live with that just fine without a mask."  And FFS, don't say you're super immune again.

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1 minute ago, Cal20sailor said:

And making predictions on Gator football.  If UF wins out, and Michigan loses out, Michigan will have the better record.  You obviously know shit about CFB or immunology.  Vaccinated people are still dying, not quite "as long as you’re vaccinated you can live with that just fine without a mask."  And FFS, don't say you're super immune again.

I won’t mention my super immunity again except to say that you may feel the need to wear a mask but for me it’s contra indicated.

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3 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

I won’t mention my super immunity again except to say that you may feel the need to wear a mask but for me it’s contra indicated.

I wear one to protect others, not me.  I also wear it to encourage others to do the same.  Have you ever heard the word altruism, because you sure don't understand it.

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2 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

I wear one to protect others, not me.  I also wear it to encourage others to do the same.  Have you ever heard the word altruism, because you sure don't understand it.

I do understand altruism and I practiced it by socially distancing and masking prior to me being infected and vaxed.   I guess where we differ  is that I’m not concerned with protecting the willingly unvaxed and there is no need to protect the vaxed.

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8 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

I do understand altruism and I practiced it by socially distancing and masking prior to me being infected and vaxed.   I guess where we differ  is that I’m not concerned with protecting the willingly unvaxed and there is no need to protect the vaxed.

Not to mention the people who cannot be vaxxed.  But, you are on record how that is all on them.

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Just now, Bus Driver said:

Not to mention the people who cannot be vaxxed.  But, you are on record how that is all on them.

Now?  Pretty much. I do wish more people would get vaxed but here we are.   The good news is that it’s a very, very  small #.   They’ll need to take precautions similar to what they do during flu season.

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Apparently FakeDoctor sees no advantage to himself to protect the unwillingly unvaxed. Nor is there any advantage to setting an example to others, especially children.

I mask around my grandbabies, not so much to protect myself, but in solidarity with them and to set an example. (The older one finally got her first vax this weekend. The younger one is still too young. They are both wonderful about wearing masks.)

I mask in public (no, not outdoors on the street when I'm alone) for much the same reason, to encourage others to do the same.

My definition of altruism and FakeDoctor's definition of altruism appear to be quite different.

I'll stick with mine.

Even though I'm super-duper ultra-special-immune, having 'a belief' that I had COVID a year ago and now having had three vax shots!

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2 minutes ago, Danceswithoctopus said:

Apparently FakeDoctor sees no advantage to himself to protect the unwillingly unvaxed. Nor is there any advantage to setting an example to others, especially children.

I mask around my grandbabies, not so much to protect myself, but in solidarity with them and to set an example. (The older one finally got her first vax this weekend. The younger one is still too young. They are both wonderful about wearing masks.)

I mask in public (no, not outdoors on the street when I'm alone) for much the same reason, to encourage others to do the same.

My definition of altruism and FakeDoctor's definition of altruism appear to be quite different.

I'll stick with mine.

Even though I'm super-duper ultra-special-immune, having 'a belief' that I had COVID a year ago and now having had three vax shots!

If at this juncture you are masking as an example for others  (vaxed and unvaxed) to do the same you’re doing it wrong.  Of course if one is frequently among those who can not be vaxed they should wear a mask.  Otherwise no.

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Once, when I was pretty stoned, I spent some time arguing with a door.  But, since the door didn't say stupid shit back, I am quite positive I was in smarter company with the door than reading the crap FakeDoctor has spewed in this thread.

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FakeDoctor: Who the fuck do you think you are to tell ANYONE that by masking they are doing it wrong! You arrogant, narcissistic asshole!

You're an internet troll, no more, no less. You have NO expertise on the subject. None. You have only your own self-serving opinion.

And you're wrong.

-Signed, another arrogant, narcissistic asshole internet troll.

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4 minutes ago, Danceswithoctopus said:

FakeDoctor: Who the fuck do you think you are to tell ANYONE that by masking they are doing it wrong! You arrogant, narcissistic asshole!

You're an internet troll, no more, no less. You have NO expertise on the subject. None. You have only your own self-serving opinion.

And you're wrong.

-Signed, another arrogant, narcissistic asshole internet troll.

If they’re masking to serve as a positive example for vaxed people to do the same, they’re totally doing it wrong.  Wasting their time as well.

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3 minutes ago, Danceswithoctopus said:

If you're not masking (in part) to serve as a positive example for people to do the same (where it is required by local healthcare authority, by the way), you're doing it wrong. It takes NO time at all and there is NO downside, only an upside.

And I'm arguing with a hemlock stump.

I could introduce you to a pretty smart door.  

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6 minutes ago, Danceswithoctopus said:

If you're not masking (in part) to serve as a positive example for people to do the same (where it is required by local healthcare authority, by the way), you're doing it wrong. It takes NO time at all and there is NO downside, only an upside.

And I'm arguing with a hemlock stump.

Even CA has ditched mask mandates indoors.  Late to the party but still.

https://cchealth.org/press-releases/2021/1007-Criteria-for-Lifting-COVID-19-Indoor-Masking-Requirements.php

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CDC does not agree with you, FakeDoctor. YMMV

I know you obsess about being correct. Eventually you will be. Just not today. (Of course, when the reality finally catches up with your prognostications, you will claim to have been right all along. Following your advice will simply make that take longer.)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view

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Good news from DC!  The ridiculous mask mandate for private businesses has been lifted.  This mandate was appropriate before vaccines were widely available.  But with vaccines now available for everyone and with a rapidly waning pandemic it was past time to be revoked.  

Sadly six states still have similar mandates, it’s deeply silly.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/dc-mayor-muriel-announces-businesses-will-not-be-required-to-enforce-face-masks-effective-nov-22/

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27 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Good news from DC!  The ridiculous mask mandate for private businesses has been lifted.  This mandate was appropriate before vaccines were widely available.  But with vaccines now available for everyone and with a rapidly waning pandemic it was past time to be revoked.  

Sadly six states still have similar mandates, it’s deeply silly.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/dc-mayor-muriel-announces-businesses-will-not-be-required-to-enforce-face-masks-effective-nov-22/

What is it about you and masks? So narcissistic that we all must be able to gaze upon your glory?

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5 hours ago, Fakenews said:

mask mandate..........it’s deeply silly.

From this side of the Pacific, the bog standard 25yr old 'puter won't pick up John Hopkins, but looking at Worldometer I see the #1 country is still tonking along averaging 70k infections and 1000 deaths a day. At this rate 800k dead by Xmas is possible and with the fully vaccinated GOP leadership advocating every measure possible to allow covid to flourish this winter, knocking over the WW2 death toll is plausible.

Another milestone for TFG #45  

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Last week infections averaged 83K in the US up 14% from the week before.  Fauci said the # needs to be at 10k/day or less which we haven't seen since March 2020. Really needs to be at 3k. Meanwhile HISD (8th largest school district in the US still has a mask mandate with resulting infections less than half the other districts.  If Mikey/Kateshitfurbranes is reading this no it's not peer reviewed it's just statistics. Based on evidence.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Deaths tend to lag cases by about 2 weeks. 

This increase may not top out as high as others, but it IS worth watching.

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It's amazing to me how many people want to be on this chart.

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The troubling news is out of Europe. Ireland in particular.   Still too early to tell, but it looks like we have entered a COVID era.   Waves of it will come and go.  The unvaccinated will be 2nd class citizens, as they should be, but with the new treatments they won't be perishing as much as before.  So the focus will shift from cases to illness.  And if it turns out a yearly booster is required to live a normal life, many of us will.   Vaccines will keep it at bay, mostly, and the new anti-viral pills will mitigate things enough that we will eventually just shrug and take our risk as we choose.  

 

The only way out of this right now that I see is a scenario where the natural immunity lasts a lot longer then we think and vaccinated people get Corona Lite, recover and then have super immunity.  The delta variant is so contagious everyone is going to get it.  So maybe once that happens natural immunity will prove long lasting.  But based on recent data, it seems like natural immunity fades too.  

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32 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

The troubling news is out of Europe. Ireland in particular.   Still too early to tell, but it looks like we have entered a COVID era.   Waves of it will come and go.  The unvaccinated will be 2nd class citizens, as they should be, but with the new treatments they won't be perishing as much as before.  So the focus will shift from cases to illness.  And if it turns out a yearly booster is required to live a normal life, many of us will.   Vaccines will keep it at bay, mostly, and the new anti-viral pills will mitigate things enough that we will eventually just shrug and take our risk as we choose. 

If enough people got vaccinated covid can indeed move into the direction of the where bad years also stress the medical systems in countries but not to the limit of breaking them. And yes in bad flu years people also die from it. Currently it is mostly a pandemic of the unvaxed since the breakthrough infections which are bound to happen with a around 80% effectivity of the vaccine have a mild course, maybe even with hospitalization, but only very few serious courses where indeed intensive care is needed. Here in Germany with huge infections numbers the absolute majority of people with covid on ICUs are unvaccinated and only few of them are vaccinated.Since the number of unvaccinated is still relatively high (around 25-30%) were are at the brink of breaking the system with that many of them ending up in the ICUs.

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On 11/9/2021 at 7:03 PM, Mrleft8 said:

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SOOPER CUTE! I have the grey version of this green eyed kittie (Ne Ne Ne Sumiregawa-sensei, her sister Yomiko Readman-sensei is black, same green eyes though).

Mentioned before, Seattle's upcoming anime convention which is the biggest event on my personal calendar, & still remain a bit alarmed at the dearth of pandemic specific info on the convention's website, hopefully something along the lines of "proof of vax to attend".

I do intend however to mask up, eating & drinking excepted, unlike this Fake fool.

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On 3/3/2020 at 6:01 AM, The Joker said:

Why do you think the public is suddenly buying masks?   Perhaps the full court doom being predicted by the democrats and the media.  In 2009 we had over 20,000 swine flu cases and 1000 deaths in the US.  So unless this is dramatically worse I not worried about how the US will handle it.  


Good news it looks  like it is slowing down in China. 

Whenever you find yourself getting lost in the weeds of the Joker's insane partisan ramblings, as I am guilty of, just go back to the Holy Grail of all his insane partisan ramblings and everything else he posts going forward is irrelevant.  Relapse ALWAYS leads to a deeper bottom.

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24 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

Whenever you find yourself getting lost in the weeds of the Joker's insane partisan ramblings, as I am guilty of, just go back to the Holy Grail of all his insane partisan ramblings and everything else he posts going forward is irrelevant.  Relapse ALWAYS leads to a deeper bottom.

That’s awesome. Yay, we’re number 1! Being the best prepared doesn’t mean much when leadership tries to bullshit a virus. But hey, at least it hasn’t been as bad as Ebola!

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1 hour ago, Nice! said:

Just stopping in to check on this thread. The richest country in the world has lost 1 out if every 450 people to Covid.

Hows that best prepared thing working out?

The Pandemic Response Manual should have stated in big letters on page 1:

#1. Shoot Trump

 

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A flood of covid patients causes 'almost unmanageable strain' in Michigan as cases rise nationwide

At Spectrum Health, a major health-care system here, officials spent part of last week debating whether to move to "red status" in a show of how strained hospitals had become.

A flood of mostly unvaccinated covid-19 patients was arriving at emergency departments already packed with people suffering other medical issues, sending capacity to unprecedented levels. The only hesitation for Spectrum's decision-makers? Data suggested the covid surge was not over.

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5 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

A flood of covid patients causes 'almost unmanageable strain' in Michigan as cases rise nationwide

At Spectrum Health, a major health-care system here, officials spent part of last week debating whether to move to "red status" in a show of how strained hospitals had become.

A flood of mostly unvaccinated covid-19 patients was arriving at emergency departments already packed with people suffering other medical issues, sending capacity to unprecedented levels. The only hesitation for Spectrum's decision-makers? Data suggested the covid surge was not over.

We’re gonna need a full-on bullshitter moving goalpost for this, stat! C’mon bullshitters…point out how deaths are down to get people to stop talking about hospitalizations.  When deaths start to take off, distract people with new case counts. Get to work, bullshitters. 

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49 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

I challenge any person to start a thread with a dumber title!

The thing is, the US *was* best positioned to manage this. There were playbooks written and ready to go. All they had to do was go to page 1 and follow the steps.

A Hillary administration would have. About half of the currently dead people would not be currently dead. But then again she *did* use email... 

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14 minutes ago, Nice! said:

The thing is, the US *was* best positioned to manage this. There were playbooks written and ready to go. All they had to do was go to page 1 and follow the steps.

A Hillary administration would have. About half of the currently dead people would not be currently dead. But then again she *did* use email... 

You are either the funniest mojo I've ever met or the end of a bad joke!

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21 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

Omicron is in the UK, Fauci says it’s probably already here.  Great.  We need to send superimmmune gator to Miami airport to lick deplaning passengers to get ahead of this.

Does anyone think that it isn’t already here in the US?

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To the surprise of no one who understands how mutations/evolution proceed, it sure looks like the calls for the end of the pandemic might have been a bit premature.

No surprise the variant came from a part of the world with a vaccination rate below 25%.

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1 minute ago, Bus Driver said:

To the surprise of no one who understands how mutations/evolution proceed, it sure looks like the calls for the end of the pandemic might have been a bit premature.

No surprise the variant came from a part of the world with a vaccination rate below 25%.

It's almost like some of us have seen this movie before, and know how it ends. The rest are mad at us for being spoilers.

- DSK

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

To the surprise of no one who understands how mutations/evolution proceed, it sure looks like the calls for the end of the pandemic might have been a bit premature.

No surprise the variant came from a part of the world with a vaccination rate below 25%.

Well those poor folks just need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and be born in a more affluent country! They better damn well do it soon before they get us all killed. 
 

in other news, I smell a great big commie RAT! They’re all working with the democRATS. 
 

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24 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Well those poor folks just need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and be born in a more affluent country! They better damn well do it soon before they get us all killed. 
 

in other news, I smell a great big commie RAT! They’re all working with the democRATS. 
 

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To think that this loon was an admiral and the White House doctor. Only the best people.

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

It's almost like some of us have seen this movie before, and know how it ends. The rest are mad at us for being spoilers.

- DSK

TBF, you haven't seen how it ends.  Because we're still watching it, like the the Beatles doc, it just goes on and on and on...

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3 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

Yeah, he hasn't helped at all.  "Superimmune" and declaring the pandemic over were stupid.

If you’re vaxed it’s over.  Doubly so if vaxed and previously infected.  There will be no more lock downs.  We are in the endemic stage and moving on. Pandemics end. Sooner rather than later in the era of modern medicine.

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1 hour ago, Fakenews said:

If you’re vaxed it’s over.  Doubly so if vaxed and previously infected.  There will be no more lock downs.  We are in the endemic stage and moving on. Pandemics end. Sooner rather than later in the era of modern medicine.

Never ending BS on this one. 30 different mutations of the corona protein. Unknown if that’s enough to get by our vaccines. Won’t know for a few weeks.

in other news, speculation that it could have come from the HIV positive community, as folks on immunosuppressants give the virus more generations to mutate.

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5 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Never ending BS on this one. 30 different mutations of the corona protein. Unknown if that’s enough to get by our vaccines. Won’t know for a few weeks.

in other news, speculation that it could have come from the HIV positive community, as folks on immunosuppressants give the virus more generations to mutate.

Doubt there are too many HIV patients in Botswana on a drug cocktail.

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4 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Never ending BS on this one. 30 different mutations of the corona protein. Unknown if that’s enough to get by our vaccines. Won’t know for a few weeks.

in other news, speculation that it could have come from the HIV positive community, as folks on immunosuppressants give the virus more generations to mutate.

I'm sure Fox News will claim the Omicron variant is God's way of punishing The Gays.

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5 hours ago, Fakenews said:

Doubt there are too many HIV patients in Botswana on a drug cocktail.

And you’d be wrong, again. They have universal coverage of the HIV cocktail in Botswana. 380,000 people currently taking it.

 

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15 hours ago, Fakenews said:

Doubt there are too many HIV patients in Botswana on a drug cocktail.

I volunteered in Lesotho for several months. Lesotho is a poor neighbour of Botswana which has a large diamond industry to provide some wealth, at least for the region. When I was in Lesotho HIV drugs were just coming on strong courtesy of the efforts of Bush the Lessor, basically about the only good thing the man did. A month's worth of anti-AIDS drugs cost either $1 or were free, never found out why there was a difference. I was working at a high school way up in the highlands a long way from nowhere. There was a small clinic there that did AIDS tests and handed out the drugs as required. If Lesotho had it I am sure South Africa which is much wealthier did and does.

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I read somewhere that at least 700,000 people, in the United States alone, are totally immune to all present and future variants after contracting Covid. Of course, they are also dead. How many more unvaccinated patriots are going to die on this hill?

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27 minutes ago, Voyageur said:

I read somewhere that at least 700,000 people, in the United States alone, are totally immune to all present and future variants after contracting Covid. Of course, they are also dead. How many more unvaccinated patriots are going to die on this hill?

they also cannot spread it.

- DSK

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26 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

they also cannot spread it.

- DSK

That’s the kind of voluntary immunity I can get behind. If only they go all in and avoid healthcare altogether. Covid, cancer, diabetes, etc. Really own the libs!

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19 hours ago, Raz'r said:

And you’d be wrong, again. They have universal coverage of the HIV cocktail in Botswana. 380,000 people currently taking it.

 

IT may come as a surprise to our opinionated pals on here that medical care in places like central Africa can be quite sophisticated.  Care in Rwanda, for example, is in many ways superior to US medical care. And not profit -based.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-drones-are-delivering-lifesaving-medical-supplies-in-rwanda

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8 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

they also cannot spread it.

- DSK

 

8 hours ago, Voyageur said:

I read somewhere that at least 700,000 people, in the United States alone, are totally immune to all present and future variants after contracting Covid. Of course, they are also dead. How many more unvaccinated patriots are going to die on this hill?

Add another city's worth, the size of Flint, Michigan or Albany NY, who volunteered for the placebo group of the efficacy study.

Now it's 800,000.  

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2 hours ago, Venom said:

True the little sociopath has been caught lying on multiple occasions but the shitlibs are following him like rats to the pied piper. Go figure. :ph34r: 

Trump had over 35,000 false or misleading claims during the course of his presidency. That's about 730 per month. Joe has been in office for 11 months. Can you cite me 8000 that Joe or his administration has made?

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15 minutes ago, Nice! said:

Trump had over 35,000 false or misleading claims during the course of his presidency. That's about 730 per month. Joe has been in office for 11 months. Can you cite me 8000 that Joe or his administration has made?

In the small mind of The Faithful, the actual magnitude doesn't matter.

The Former Guy lied.  President Biden lied.  To Venom, they are equivalent.

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Biden hasn't cured Covid yet!

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A federal judge on Monday blocked President Joe Biden’s administration from enforcing a coronavirus vaccine mandate on thousands of health care workers in 10 states that had brought the first legal challenge against the requirement.

The court order said that the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid had no clear authority from Congress to enact the vaccine mandate for providers participating in the two government health care programs for the elderly, disabled and poor.

The preliminary injunction by St. Louis-based U.S. District Judge Matthew Schelp applies to a coalition of suing states that includes Alaska, Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wyoming. All those states have either a Republican attorney general or governor. Similar lawsuits also are pending in other states.

The federal rule requires COVID-19 vaccinations for more than 17 million workers nationwide in about 76,000 health care facilities and home health care providers that get funding from the government health programs. Workers are to receive their first dose by Dec. 6 and their second shot by Jan. 4.

The court order against the health care vaccine mandate comes after Biden's administration suffered a similar setback for a broader policy. A federal court previously placed a hold on a separate rule requiring businesses with more than 100 employees to ensure their workers get vaccinated or else wear masks and get tested weekly for the coronavirus.

Biden’s administration contends federal rules supersede state policies prohibiting vaccine mandates and are essential to slowing the pandemic, which has killed more than 775,000 people in the U.S. About three-fifths of the U.S. population already is fully vaccinated.

But the judge in the health care provider case wrote that federal officials likely overstepped their legal powers.

“CMS seeks to overtake an area of traditional state authority by imposing an unprecedented demand to federally dictate the private medical decisions of millions of Americans. Such action challenges traditional notions of federalism," Schelp wrote in his order.

Even under an exceedingly broad interpretation of federal powers, Congress did not clearly authorize CMS to enact "this politically and economically vast, federalism-altering, and boundary-pushing mandate,” wrote Schelp, who was appointed to the bench by former President Donald Trump.

I fucking wonder why.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-vaccine