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25 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

What is going on with that black line as it moves to the right? 

Pick a date in the recent past and I'll be happy to post a photo with that days 7DMA.

Bear in mind today's Death count of 54.  That would be confirmed deaths, courtesy of MD Department of Health.

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Why are you still droning on about MD when my chart is that of the United States.  Why do you like charts that discuss “probable deaths”?

So many questions….

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BTW, I gave Mikey a time out, which will be the same response anyone gets for calling the coronavirus response measures 'hysteria' or peddling misinformation that could hurt someone.

I'm day 9 of symptoms and still in the middle if it. Let me tell you,  getting a viral load from convience store handle much less than getting it from being in a maskless patients face coughing on you

It is not whether it offends, it is whether it is dangerous. Spreading false information about the dangers of a pandemic can kill people. Most forums have a ratio of between 10 and 100 lurkers to ever

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41 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

By pivoting to MD?  Squirrel!  LOL

Uh, I was specifically discussing the mid-Atlantic when you decided to comment.

God, but you are an insipid little mufflehead.

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2 hours ago, Fakenews said:

Not quite.  I feel that those I care for are safe because they are vaxed and boosted.  That’s all that matters to me.

You are the poster child for lack of technical acumen in this country.  So, according to you, everyone who is vaxxed and boosted are impervious to Omicron and all else Covid-related.  Find me an article that states 100% effectiveness...please.  The only way to be 100% safe from infection is to already be dead.

Several months ago when the country was blowing through 600K deaths, you proclaimed for the first time it was ending and we would top off at 700K.  How did that work out for you?  If we believed you, what are we on, death number three?  The Rasputin of viruses?  IIRC, BG was in some type of financial field, they generally can read and interpret graphs, you cannot. 

So you have now convinced me, you are not Bull Gator.  The only similarities are your irrational/blind love for UF and you are both flaming assholes.

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This is from the D.C. Mayor's update today.  Note the absurd rise in case rate from a month ago. We are riddled with it!     But look at the hospitalizations-- actually down from a month ago.    Of course, the neighboring areas are getting their teeth kicked in and many people who work in D.C. don't live here, but this information is intriguing, especially since DC is not even 70% vaccinated. 

Omicron certainly does seem to lack the punch of the vanilla version, and if wasn't for it hitting kids especially hard, I would say let it do it's thing to the unvaccinated while we move on- but open COVID hospitals so routine cancer screenings aren't delayed by 7 god damned months. 

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1 minute ago, Clove Hitch said:

 

Omicron certainly does seem to lack the punch of the vanilla version, and if wasn't for it hitting kids especially hard, I would say let it do it's thing to the unvaccinated while we move on- but open COVID hospitals so routine cancer screenings aren't delayed by 7 god damned months. 

 

Maybe they can put them in cages on the border. One side of the cage could be the Border Wall, save a lot of money.

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14 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

You are the poster child for lack of technical acumen in this country.  So, according to you, everyone who is vaxxed and boosted are impervious to Omicron and all else Covid-related.  Find me an article that states 100% effectiveness...please.  The only way to be 100% safe from infection is to already be dead.

Several months ago when the country was blowing through 600K deaths, you proclaimed for the first time it was ending and we would top off at 700K.  How did that work out for you?  If we believed you, what are we on, death number three?  The Rasputin of viruses?  IIRC, BG was in some type of financial field, they generally can read and interpret graphs, you cannot. 

So you have now convinced me, you are not Bull Gator.  The only similarities are your irrational/blind love for UF and you are both flaming assholes.

Life is not zero risk.  People die of influenza, cancer, strokes etc.  People will die of Covid for years to come.  Now that severe illness or death is unlikely for those who are vaxed and boosted I have the same level of concern for Covid as I do other forms of death by disease, or infection.

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3 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

This is from the D.C. Mayor's update today.  Note the absurd rise in case rate from a month ago. We are riddled with it!     But look at the hospitalizations-- actually down from a month ago.    Of course, the neighboring areas are getting their teeth kicked in and many people who work in D.C. don't live here, but this information is intriguing, especially since DC is not even 70% vaccinated. 

Omicron certainly does seem to lack the punch of the vanilla version, and if wasn't for it hitting kids especially hard, I would say let it do it's thing to the unvaccinated while we move on- but open COVID hospitals so routine cancer screenings aren't delayed by 7 god damned months. 

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@Bus Driveris not going to be happy with this bit of good news.  I have to laugh at him,  there’s undeniable good news to be had and he’s miserable.

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28 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

You are the poster child for lack of technical acumen in this country.  So, according to you, everyone who is vaxxed and boosted are impervious to Omicron and all else Covid-related.  Find me an article that states 100% effectiveness...please.  The only way to be 100% safe from infection is to already be dead.

Several months ago when the country was blowing through 600K deaths, you proclaimed for the first time it was ending and we would top off at 700K.  How did that work out for you?  If we believed you, what are we on, death number three?  The Rasputin of viruses?  IIRC, BG was in some type of financial field, they generally can read and interpret graphs, you cannot. 

So you have now convinced me, you are not Bull Gator.  The only similarities are your irrational/blind love for UF and you are both flaming assholes.

I’m dismissive of charts that include fake data like “probable deaths”.  If I presented a chart with probable profits or probable revenue I’d be escorted out of the room.  There a place for pro forma tables or charts but this is not it  My chart reading skills are not to be questioned..  

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1 minute ago, Fakenews said:

I’m dismissive of charts that include fake data like probable deaths”.  If I presented a chart with probable profits or probable revenue I’d be escorted out of the room.  There a place for pro forma tables or charts but this is not it  My chart reading skills are not to be questioned..  

You've never heard of or made a projection?  What do or did you do for a living, work in the mailroom?

Your chart reading skills are nonexistent! 

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19 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

This is from the D.C. Mayor's update today.  Note the absurd rise in case rate from a month ago. We are riddled with it!     But look at the hospitalizations-- actually down from a month ago.    Of course, the neighboring areas are getting their teeth kicked in and many people who work in D.C. don't live here, but this information is intriguing, especially since DC is not even 70% vaccinated. 

Omicron certainly does seem to lack the punch of the vanilla version, and if wasn't for it hitting kids especially hard, I would say let it do it's thing to the unvaccinated while we move on- but open COVID hospitals so routine cancer screenings aren't delayed by 7 god damned months. 

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Certainly interesting.  Right across the border, in Maryland, we are seeing hospitalizations skyrocket*.

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As I stated before, this wave in the mid-Atlantic (paying attention, Gaston?) is being attributed to Delta.

 

 

* Term used correctly.

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3 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

You've never heard of or made a projection?  What do or did you do for a living, work in the mailroom?

Your chart reading skills are nonexistent! 

Most people with a functioning brain  when discussing real data don’t reference fake data to make a point about said real data.  You’d be fired if you did that in a board room.

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6 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

I’m dismissive of charts that include fake data like probable deaths”.  If I presented a chart with probable profits or probable revenue I’d be escorted out of the room.  There a place for pro forma tables or charts but this is not it  My chart reading skills are not to be questioned..  

You've never heard of or made a projection?  What do or did you do for a living, work in the mailroom?

Your chart reading skills are nonexistent! 

I challenge the lizard to show where the yellow, indicating probable deaths, is found in the graph I shared.

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130 died in NY yesterday, 62 were from NYC - highest # since mass vaccinations started. Of course they aren't Bullshit Gator so he doesn't care.

Deaths always lag for weeks following infections - and so here is a sincere and hearty FUCK YOU Gaston.

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Just now, Bus Driver said:

I challenge the lizard to show where the yellow, indicating probable deaths, is found in the graph I shared.

It’s an issue of scale.  There are zero  “probable deaths”. But the presenter wants to talk about it so he included it as a line item.  Actually it was probably you.  I bet you imagine all kinds of probable deaths that are going unreported and think they should be acknowledged when talking about real deaths. 

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3 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Here is a bigger version - 

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If he has a problem with how the Department of Health reports data, I am sure they would love to hear from him.

Do you have a contact number?  Someone needs to tell them about the fake data they’re trying (not very well) to include.

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6 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

It’s an issue of scale.  There are zero  “probable deaths”. But the presenter wants to talk about it so he included it as a line item.  Actually it was probably you.  I bet you imagine all kinds of probable deaths that are going unreported and think they should be acknowledged when talking about real deaths. 

How do you suppose I fucked with their data?  You really are delusional.

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14 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

You've never heard of or made a projection?  What do or did you do for a living, work in the mailroom?

Your chart reading skills are nonexistent! 

Finance tip of the day!  Pro forma = projection.

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5 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Do you have a contact number?  Someone needs to tell them about the fake data they’re trying (not very well) to include.

Do let us know how long it takes for them to hang up on you.

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6 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

I’m done discussing your fake data.

Again, because you are stoopid - it's not my data. 

I have provided links, and you want to contact them.  No fucking way you will.  They would laugh at you.

You can't refute the data, so you are running away.  Like Tebow from an NFL lineman.

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21 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Certainly interesting.  Right across the border, in Maryland, we are seeing hospitalizations skyrocket*.

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As I stated before, this wave in the mid-Atlantic (paying attention, Gaston?) is being attributed to Delta.

 

 

* Term used correctly.

I happen to know a Marylander on the Eastern shore hypoxic and febrile but too dumb/stubborn to go to hospital.  Unvaccinated, of course.   The Eastern Shore is kinda like a slice of Alabama set down and combine that with the Trump loving panhandle (spoon handle?)  of Maryland, you have a lot of unvaccinated. 

A data point that is stuck in my craw is Ireland.   They are something like 93% vaccinated-- the whole country, not just eligible people-- and their positivity % is just over 50%, which is down from what it was a few days ago.  https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/    ICU levels holding steady or declining.  That's just nuts:  50% positivity?  And PCRs are hard to come by over there. That tells me the vaccines aren't stopping infection but they are preventing serious infection.  

The problem is the unvaccinated are overwhelming the hospitals and we can discuss stats all day but as long as the "LEAN" built hospitals are fucked, we are all going to be suffering-- maybe even dyeing as routine cancer screenings are delayed for half a year.   

I really think the way out is to designate COVID hospitals.  I mean, 30% of the population will NEVER. . . EVER. . get vaccinated so hospitals, as currently run, are always going to be fucked.   

The other thing that bothers me is that child hospitalizations are rising -- so we can't just dismiss omicron as a pox on the unvaccinated- though it mostly is that for adults. 

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30% of Ohio ICU beds are CoViD.    The percent of them that are vaccinated isn’t released.    The percent Omikron isn’t known.   What is known is known is Kettering network is sacrificing its bottom line, cancelling surgeries not for life threatening conditions that are likely to require overnight hospitalization.   Hospitals up north are strategically cancelling many surgeries so they can keep post op patients in recovery long term, since ICU can’t take them.   
 

Don’t undertake risky activities.  Don’t drive on the ice.   Don’t speed.   Don’t fall and break a leg.   Don’t get hurt.

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12 minutes ago, Lark said:

Don’t undertake risky activities.  Don’t drive on the ice.   Don’t speed.   Don’t fall and break a leg.   Don’t get hurt.

And don't listen to FakeNews. Omicron was detected in the US just over a month ago. Delta is still here. The FakeNews fools want us to believe if there are any new mutations they will be less severe.  Well, hell just dump all your savings in crypto and go for it. I mean what do you have to lose?

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14 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

I happen to know a Marylander on the Eastern shore hypoxic and febrile but too dumb/stubborn to go to hospital.  Unvaccinated, of course.   The Eastern Shore is kinda like a slice of Alabama set down and combine that with the Trump loving panhandle (spoon handle?)  of Maryland, you have a lot of unvaccinated. 

A data point that is stuck in my craw is Ireland.   They are something like 93% vaccinated-- the whole country, not just eligible people-- and their positivity % is just over 50%, which is down from what it was a few days ago.  https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/    ICU levels holding steady or declining.  That's just nuts:  50% positivity?  And PCRs are hard to come by over there. That tells me the vaccines aren't stopping infection but they are preventing serious infection.  

The problem is the unvaccinated are overwhelming the hospitals and we can discuss stats all day but as long as the "LEAN" built hospitals are fucked, we are all going to be suffering-- maybe even dyeing as routine cancer screenings are delayed for half a year.   

I really think the way out is to designate COVID hospitals.  I mean, 30% of the population will NEVER. . . EVER. . get vaccinated so hospitals, as currently run, are always going to be fucked.   

The other thing that bothers me is that child hospitalizations are rising -- so we can't just dismiss omicron as a pox on the unvaccinated- though it mostly is that for adults. 

I am at the point where I have no qualms about triage of admissions based on vaccine status. 

You refuse the jab?  Here's a tube of Ivermectin.  Go home.

Of course, they'll just lie.

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21 minutes ago, Lark said:

30% of Ohio ICU beds are CoViD.    The percent of them that are vaccinated isn’t released.    The percent Omikron isn’t known.   What is known is known is Kettering network is sacrificing its bottom line, cancelling surgeries not for life threatening conditions that are likely to require overnight hospitalization.   Hospitals up north are strategically cancelling many surgeries so they can keep post op patients in recovery long term, since ICU can’t take them.   
 

Don’t undertake risky activities.  Don’t drive on the ice.   Don’t speed.   Don’t fall and break a leg.   Don’t get hurt.

Harford County, Maryland hospital - 

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Hospitalizations, not cases.

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7 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Harford County, Maryland hospital - 

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Hospitalizations, not cases.

Finally some real data (even if it’s just your neck of the woods).  However fail.  The law of small numbers, % variances aren’t particularly meaningful.  Focus on the small # of patients (127) all unvaxed.  
Scary!   

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Historically attenuation takes decades if not centuries.    The idea this coronavirus will attenuate in two or three years is fanciful.  Even if Omicron has a lower fatality rate, there is no reason to suppose the next version will.   The only advantage is omicron will temporarily boost immunity against the next wave, thanks to its rapid transmission,    

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Just now, Lark said:

Historically attenuation takes decades if not centuries.    The idea this coronavirus will attenuate in two more three years is fanciful.  Even if Omicron has a lower fatality rate, there is no reason to suppose the next version will.   The only advantage is omicron will temporarily boost immunity against the next wave, thanks to its rapid transmission,    

There plenty of reason to believe the next variant will be even milder.  Pandemics end.  Sooner than later in the era of modern medicine.

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1 minute ago, Fakenews said:

There plenty of reason to believe the next variant will be even milder.  Pandemics end.  Sooner than later in the era of modern medicine.

Smallpox and Measles outbreaks would end due to lasting immunity, then repeat in a generation.    Plague was vector dependent, so outbreaks seemed random.    Typhoid was as much contamination as immunity.   None of these was attenuation.   

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8 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Finally some real data (even if it’s just your neck of the woods).  However fail.  The law of small numbers, % variances aren’t particularly meaningful.  Focus on the small # of patients (127) all unvaxed.  
Scary!   

WTF is a % variance and where is it presented in BD's post?  You certainly can calculate a variance of percentages, and it's as useful as you make it.  I have a feeling you use statistics the way a drunk uses a lamp post, for support and not illumination.

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2 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

WTF is a % variance and where is it presented in BD's post?  You certainly can calculate a variance of percentages, and it's as useful as you make it.  I have a feeling you use statistics the way a drunk uses a lamp post, for support and not illumination.

Put down the bottle.  His post references a 267% increase (variance) In hospitalizations.  Now I’m assuming it’s measured vs some prior period but knowing BD this could be a variance vs fake data like probable Covid cases.  Or a variance vs some other metric completely unrelated to Covid

 

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45 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

I happen to know a Marylander on the Eastern shore hypoxic and febrile but too dumb/stubborn to go to hospital.  Unvaccinated, of course.   The Eastern Shore is kinda like a slice of Alabama set down and combine that with the Trump loving panhandle (spoon handle?)  of Maryland, you have a lot of unvaccinated. 

A data point that is stuck in my craw is Ireland.   They are something like 93% vaccinated-- the whole country, not just eligible people-- and their positivity % is just over 50%, which is down from what it was a few days ago.  https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/    ICU levels holding steady or declining.  That's just nuts:  50% positivity?  And PCRs are hard to come by over there. That tells me the vaccines aren't stopping infection but they are preventing serious infection.  

The problem is the unvaccinated are overwhelming the hospitals and we can discuss stats all day but as long as the "LEAN" built hospitals are fucked, we are all going to be suffering-- maybe even dyeing as routine cancer screenings are delayed for half a year.   

I really think the way out is to designate COVID hospitals.  I mean, 30% of the population will NEVER. . . EVER. . get vaccinated so hospitals, as currently run, are always going to be fucked.   

The other thing that bothers me is that child hospitalizations are rising -- so we can't just dismiss omicron as a pox on the unvaccinated- though it mostly is that for adults. 

Like Ireland, we too are 93% vaccinated. Our hospitals are being overwhelmed. The speed that this spread is terrifying. 30 of pcr tests are coming in positive. and many cant get a pcr test.

Now, they've mandated that a positive RAT test should be deemed a covid positive and treated as such. But we cant get RAT tests.

So, we're being advised to assume we have covid if we are at all unwell and stay home until we can get a negative test or wait 7 days.

Grocery supply is already being affected.

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1 minute ago, Fakenews said:

Put down the bottle.  His post references a 267% increase (variance) In hospitalizations.  Now I’m assuming it’s measured vs some prior period but knowing BD this could be a variance vs fake data like probable Covid cases.  Or a variance vs some other metric completely unrelated to Covid

 

Did you miss the big fucking letters at the top of the second image?

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Probable cases are not fake data.    Excess deaths demonstrates the consequence of people that don’t test, delayed testing, false negatives and imperfect technology.  
 

Probable cases are presumptive diagnosis where other rule outs are discarded and CoViD best fits the presentation despite shortage of test kits, delays in seeking medical care beyond the testing window, or the 5% or so that are false negatives.  

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5 minutes ago, Lark said:

Probable cases are not fake data.    Excess deaths demonstrates the consequence of people that don’t test, delayed testing, false negatives and imperfect technology.   Probable cases are presumptive diagnosis where other rule outs are discarded and CoViD best fits the presentation despite shortage of test kits, delays in testing or the 5% or so false negatives.  

They are in the context of discussing actual real deaths.  The presenter belatedly realized this and excluded the probable deaths but forgot to delete the line item in excel

 

Sloppy!

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40 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

They are in the context of discussing actual real deaths.  The presenter belatedly realized this and excluded the probable deaths but forgot to delete the line item in excel

 

Sloppy!

Bullshit.  I never edited a thing.  It's a screenshot from a website I gave you the link to.

Unless you are saying the Maryland Department of Health is falsifying data.

Waiting on the outcome of your call to them.

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8 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Did you miss the big fucking letters at the top of the second image?

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I read it just fine.  Thanks for not including fake data

Yeah.  Sure.  That's why you posted you didn't know what the increase was from.

8 hours ago, Fakenews said:

Put down the bottle.  His post references a 267% increase (variance) In hospitalizations.  Now I’m assuming it’s measured vs some prior period but knowing BD this could be a variance vs fake data like probable Covid cases.  Or a variance vs some other metric completely unrelated to Covid

 

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8 hours ago, Fakenews said:

Put down the bottle.  His post references a 267% increase (variance) In hospitalizations.  Now I’m assuming it’s measured vs some prior period but knowing BD this could be a variance vs fake data like probable Covid cases.  Or a variance vs some other metric completely unrelated to Covid.

A percentage increase is not variance!!!!!!  Variance has a very specific meaning in the statistics world and you don't understand it.  Top 5 school failed you miserably.

Say we're comparing 1 December hospitalizations say 10, to 1 January say 20, that's 100% increase, nowhere do you see variance being calculated.  Percentage increase is just the ((final value - initial value)/initial value) x 100 to make it a percentage.  In the above example:

((20-10)/10) x 100 = 1 x 100 0r 100%

Variance is a measure of the spread of the data, nothing to do with the numbers BD posted.

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Some rare bad news on the Covid front but it’s a big one.  The CDC director is completely incompetent .  Everyone is noticing and she’s acknowledged she needs to be better and has hired a media consultant.  I say fire her and appoint the recently retired head on NIH on an acting basis.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/07/politics/rochelle-walensky-cdc-communications-covid-19/index.html
 

 

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11 minutes ago, justsomeguy! said:

Oh, ffs. She acknowledged. Get over it.

This is the same woman who talked about a “sense of impending doom” (LOL) and then the next day announced an end to mask recommendations while out and about if vaxed.

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50 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

This is the same woman who talked about a “sense of impending doom” (LOL) and then the next day announced an end to mask recommendations while out and about if vaxed.

I highly doubt anyone who knows anything about epidemiology gives a hoot about you and your criticisms.  Especially "a well-regarded infectious diseases expert" (from your link). 

By the way, how'd that work out with you contacting the MD Department of Health to criticize their data reporting?

Did you manage to work in a little "% variance" to your spiel?

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1 hour ago, justsomeguy! said:

Oh, ffs. She acknowledged. Get over it.

The CDC deserves it's own thread. As does the new absurd COVID cpr guidelines--- you don't need ppe to work a code on a COVID+ pt.

Her rhetoric and timing couldn't be worse.  The CEO of Delta writes an oped asking for a 5 day isolation period and days later the CDC recommends it?   

The five day isolation period is even worse than it sounds.  Essential workers can return to work even if symptomatic as long as the symptoms are "resolving."  This is why we have symptomatic COVID+ nurses taking care of newborns.  

 

The cdc is roundly being mocked by the medical community.    They should say that the 5 day isolation period is because omicron is *mostly* weaker than other variants (except kids) and that they have pivoted to caring more about the economy than patients and medical staff. 

These fucks and hospital admins have had two god damned years and there is not a whisper of any systemic change to our profit-driven, "LEAN," healthcare system.  

How big are the bonuses that hospital CEOs are getting while they straight-faced tell nurses they can't afford to pay them more, so bedside nurses decide making $27/hour for ptsd-inducing work isn't worth it and flee bedside?  These fucks:

  1. HCA Healthcare (Nashville, Tenn.)
    CEO: Samuel Hazen
    Pay: $30,397,771
    Pay ratio: 556:1
     
  2. Tenet Healthcare (Dallas)
    CEO: Ronald Rittenmayer
    Pay: $16,675,529
    Pay ratio: 306:1
     
  3. Universal Health Services (King of Prussia, Pa.)
    CEO: Alan Miller
    Pay: $13,246,214
    Pay ratio: 305:1
     
  4. Community Health Systems (Franklin, Tenn.)
    CEO: Wayne Smith
    Pay: $9,066,419
    Pay ratio: 161:1
     
  5. Encompass Health (Birmingham, Ala.)
    CEO: Mark Tarr
    Pay: $6,925,024
    Pay ratio: 171:1
  6. https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/rankings-and-ratings/the-7-highest-paid-health-system-ceos.html

 

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Sad to say, I agree with you. The CDC needs a good kick in the ass and a new boss.

Last year, they bumped isolation from 14 days to 10 days, simply because people aren't going to sit inside for 14 days and maybe they'll follow rules if we loosen them a little. The graph of cntagiousness over time was still quite fuzzy and it's not well defined now but we DO know that 5 days is still in the contagious period.

WTF?

An agency that is trusted with the responsibility to make rules for the public needs to 1- have an truly solid grasp of the science, and have the ability to demonstrate the science; and 2- implement practical rules, ones that are within reach of human behavior BUT not just namby-pamby say "OK if you don't want to, then we'll let you have your way."

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6 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Sad to say, I agree with you. The CDC needs a good kick in the ass and a new boss.

Last year, they bumped isolation from 14 days to 10 days, simply because people aren't going to sit inside for 14 days and maybe they'll follow rules if we loosen them a little. The graph of cntagiousness over time was still quite fuzzy and it's not well defined now but we DO know that 5 days is still in the contagious period.

WTF?

An agency that is trusted with the responsibility to make rules for the public needs to 1- have an truly solid grasp of the science, and have the ability to demonstrate the science; and 2- implement practical rules, ones that are within reach of human behavior BUT not just namby-pamby say "OK if you don't want to, then we'll let you have your way."

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Her communication strategy is abysmal but she’s nearing the truth wrt quarantine.  We are very, very close to point where we need to ditch all recommendations for isolating and testing.  Once this variant is through for example pretty much everyone will have some level of protection against a greatly diminished virus that frankly now is less severe than influenza (at least for adults).  We don’t ask those suffering from the flu to isolate, wear masks (good practice if sick) or  test negative.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Sad to say, I agree with you. The CDC needs a good kick in the ass and a new boss.

Last year, they bumped isolation from 14 days to 10 days, simply because people aren't going to sit inside for 14 days and maybe they'll follow rules if we loosen them a little. The graph of cntagiousness over time was still quite fuzzy and it's not well defined now but we DO know that 5 days is still in the contagious period.

WTF?

An agency that is trusted with the responsibility to make rules for the public needs to 1- have an truly solid grasp of the science, and have the ability to demonstrate the science; and 2- implement practical rules, ones that are within reach of human behavior BUT not just namby-pamby say "OK if you don't want to, then we'll let you have your way."

- DSK

 

Ya, you think if they are all about the science, etc as she says they would have simply cited a nice peer-reviewed study showing that a symptomatic nurse on his 6th day of symptoms can't infect an immunocompromised pt, like a newborn or chemo pt.  You think they would have done that right, if there was such a study out there.  Maybe because there isn't?

Chatter on various nurse forums/reddit about a nurse walk out has been persistent for a week now.   

The CDC and shit-bag CEOs might find out what happens when you do FUCK ALL two years into a pandemic except to shit on your staff. 

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5 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Her communication strategy is abysmal but she’s nearing the truth wrt quarantine.  We are very, very close to point where we need to ditch all recommendations for isolating and testing. 

 

 

Nope, not quite there yet. And that coming from a guy who doesn't like little kids. Find them annoying as hell.  If it was just the unvaccinated Trump 'tards suffering I might agree with you. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/05/covid-hospitalizations-us-children-omicron-schools-hospitals

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5 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Nope, not quite there yet. And that coming from a guy who doesn't like little kids. Find them annoying as hell.  If it was just the unvaccinated Trump 'tards suffering I might agree with you. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/05/covid-hospitalizations-us-children-omicron-schools-hospitals

I agree not there yet.  Need to get through Jan and part of Feb but then we as a society need to let go off this pandemic lifestyle circumstances have made us endure for the last two years.  Everybody has had it or been immunized but some will continue to die.  Crest la vie.

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30 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

 Crest la vie.

You obviously are an expert in French as well.  Toothpaste is life?  Damn boy, if you and MikeW had kids, they'd be like the Tenenbaum brood.  

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1 hour ago, Clove Hitch said:

Ya, you think if they are all about the science, etc as she says they would have simply cited a nice peer-reviewed study showing that a symptomatic nurse on his 6th day of symptoms can't infect an immunocompromised pt, like a newborn or chemo pt.  You think they would have done that right, if there was such a study out there.  Maybe because there isn't?

Chatter on various nurse forums/reddit about a nurse walk out has been persistent for a week now.   

The CDC and shit-bag CEOs might find out what happens when you do FUCK ALL two years into a pandemic except to shit on your staff. 

Speaking of doing fuck all, why is testing capacity not adequate? Come on Joe!

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1 minute ago, Raz'r said:

Speaking of doing fuck all, why is testing capacity not adequate? Come on Joe!

It's because they have reached the stage, lead by the CDC, where they are just kind of throwing up their hands because it's *mostly* not a threat to vaccinated people anymore but they dare not come out and say in public what they are saying in private. 

Of course, one issue is that the hospitals will continue to be fucked as long as COVID is nuking the unvaccinated.   And even though omicron appears to be a weaker variant for the vaccinated, it is still crushing the covidiots.    

They need to come up with a plan because this 6--7 month wait for routine cancer screening is going to kill people. 

My solution is COVID hospitals.  Not unvaccinated hospitals-- COVID hospitals.  Sure, they will mostly be full of unvaccinated, but sick vaccinated cases would go there too.   That way the damn ortho unit, interventional radiology, GI-Lab, etc, aren't shackled to a hopelessly overwhelmed hospital. 

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The headline is certainly good news, and (largely) what we've heard of other countries have experienced. 

Omicron: 'There is some very, very good news,' Northwell Health CEO says

But, it isn't quite time to celebrate.  

“The fact that Omicron’s so highly transmissible, it’s knocking out part of the health care workforce,” Hotez told Yahoo Finance. “So even though the virus itself has less severity and fewer hospitalizations, there are still a lot of hospitalizations and fewer health care providers to take care of them. So those three factors do create a pretty dangerous situation.”

As Clove mentioned, non-COVID patients are at increased peril, and will continue suffer and die.

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8 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

My solution is COVID hospitals.  Not unvaccinated hospitals-- COVID hospitals.  Sure, they will mostly be full of unvaccinated, but sick vaccinated cases would go there too.   That way the damn ortho unit, interventional radiology, GI-Lab, etc, aren't shackled to a hopelessly overwhelmed hospital. 

I assume that the rest of the country is like my area where hospitals are not public entities.  How do you get one to become 'Covid Only'?  Probably the good old American way...$$$$$$$$.  The government provides some level of base funding, all workers get a huge bump in pay, etc ?  Seriously, who wants to work or operate a leper colony.  How would you see making it work?  I agree with the concept, I just see the implementation being a roadblock.  

Hang in there, I can't imagine a more stressful period than the past 2yrs.  

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1 minute ago, Cal20sailor said:

I assume that the rest of the country is like my area where hospitals are not public entities.  How do you get one to become 'Covid Only'?  Probably the good old American way...$$$$$$$$.  The government provides some level of base funding, all workers get a huge bump in pay, etc ?  Seriously, who wants to work or operate a leper colony.  How would you see making it work.  I agree with the concept, I just see the implementation being a roadblock.  

All the healthcare workers who have refused to be vaxxed, and maintain it is no big deal, should be assigned to work there.

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4 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

I assume that the rest of the country is like my area where hospitals are not public entities.  How do you get one to become 'Covid Only'?  Probably the good old American way...$$$$$$$$.  The government provides some level of base funding, all workers get a huge bump in pay, etc ?  Seriously, who wants to work or operate a leper colony.  How would you see making it work?  I agree with the concept, I just see the implementation being a roadblock.  

Hang in there, I can't imagine a more stressful period than the past 2yrs.  

I have no idea how it would be implemented.   I know that something has to be done.  It's some shamefull shit that we continue to let the healthcare system be such a farce and shit all over people.  

2 years in and not a god damn thing has changed with staffing etc.  Treatments and protocols , sure. . . .  but how to help hospital staffing-- fuck all. 

Meanwhile 6/7 months for routine cancer screening. 6 month wait to see other specialists, like a Pyschiatrist.   What could go wrong ?

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15 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

It's because they have reached the stage, lead by the CDC, where they are just kind of throwing up their hands because it's *mostly* not a threat to vaccinated people anymore but they dare not come out and say in public what they are saying in private. 

Of course, one issue is that the hospitals will continue to be fucked as long as COVID is nuking the unvaccinated.   And even though omicron appears to be a weaker variant for the vaccinated, it is still crushing the covidiots.    

They need to come up with a plan because this 6--7 month wait for routine cancer screening is going to kill people. 

My solution is COVID hospitals.  Not unvaccinated hospitals-- COVID hospitals.  Sure, they will mostly be full of unvaccinated, but sick vaccinated cases would go there too.   That way the damn ortho unit, interventional radiology, GI-Lab, etc, aren't shackled to a hopelessly overwhelmed hospital. 

I’m with you. I’ve been advocating something like a tuberculosis hospital model since I spent 3 days in the colon cancer ward at Stanford Hospital. And I was there for a cardiac issue…

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10 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

I assume that the rest of the country is like my area where hospitals are not public entities.  How do you get one to become 'Covid Only'?  Probably the good old American way...$$$$$$$$.  The government provides some level of base funding, all workers get a huge bump in pay, etc ?  Seriously, who wants to work or operate a leper colony.  How would you see making it work?  I agree with the concept, I just see the implementation being a roadblock.  

Hang in there, I can't imagine a more stressful period than the past 2yrs.  

We already lost Clove from the hospital system. He got another gig. School IIRC.

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The Ohio governor is trying to deploy the national guard at hospitals as orderlies and other non skilled labor.    Except half of them aren’t vaccinated and can’t risk exposure, so they can’t be deployed (NPR).  Babies in uniform can’t risk catching ‘the sniffles’.    Or more likely the state doesn’t want to have to pay medical expenses for the pansies.    
 

regarding the CDC.  It seems like they caved the recommendations for the NFL.   Maybe not.   If asymptomatic people still spread it, people still spread it before they get sick, and it’s literally everywhere, how much good does quarantine do anyway?   

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38 minutes ago, Lark said:

.   If asymptomatic people still spread it, people still spread it before they get sick, and it’s literally everywhere, how much good does quarantine do anyway?   

And here is the problem.  The CDC still has everybody focused on case rate and numbers of cases.      If they really think omicron doesn't merit a bunch of fuss why not simply STOP publishing data on case rate and case numbers and only publish hospitalizations and deaths? They don't publish number of flu cases and case numbers-- see for yourself https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

Of course with 30% of the population never going to get vaccinated,  those numbers will always be bad, just come in waves.    

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On 1/6/2022 at 10:00 PM, Lark said:

30% of Ohio ICU beds are CoViD.    The percent of them that are vaccinated isn’t released.

Up here in Ohio's Great White North we do have some stats on that - this in a combination of info from our health dept and our big local hospital . .  I posted this yesterday in the Covid thread 

Hope you are well . . 

This is what is going on in our Ohio county of 75,000 as of Jan 5th, 2022

Cases are exploding  

Erie County’s health department reported 1,242 new cases of COVID-19, compared to 619 new cases reported the previous week

Of the 53 hospitalized for COVID-19, 34 are unvaccinated. The hospital said 18 COVID-19 patients are in critical care, with 13 of them unvaccinated. Firelands said five patients are on ventilators, with three of them unvaccinated.  

Some Covid patients from Erie may be hospitalized in other counties I am thinking. 

Get those pokes !!

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8 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Up here in Ohio's Great White North we do have some stats on that - this in a combination of info from our health dept and our big local hospital . .  I posted this yesterday in the Covid thread 

Hope you are well . . 

This is what is going on in our Ohio county of 75,000 as of Jan 5th, 2022

Cases are exploding  

Erie County’s health department reported 1,242 new cases of COVID-19, compared to 619 new cases reported the previous week

Of the 53 hospitalized for COVID-19, 34 are unvaccinated. The hospital said 18 COVID-19 patients are in critical care, with 13 of them unvaccinated. Firelands said five patients are on ventilators, with three of them unvaccinated.  

Some Covid patients from Erie may be hospitalized in other counties I am thinking. 

Get those pokes !!

I have, but wish the vaccine worked better.    36% of the hospital patients and 40% of the ventilator patients being vaccinated is scary, though the sample size is small.    The mark I vaccine remains our best and most cost effective tool, but I feel we’re using a 5/8 inch socket on a metric head. 

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25 minutes ago, Lark said:

I have, but wish the vaccine worked better.    40% of the ventilator patients being vaccinated is scary, though the sample size is small.    The mark I vaccine remains our best tool, but I feel we’re using a 5/8 inch socket on a metric head.  

I thought the numbers were better in general.  I'll look for some more cases to hopefully cheer you up.  

Here you go, smile!

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination

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These are hospitalization numbers.  Green, fully vaxxed, blue unvaxxed.

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56 minutes ago, Lark said:

I have, but wish the vaccine worked better.    36% of the hospital patients and 40% of the ventilator patients being vaccinated is scary, though the sample size is small.

I thought about that too - I also wonder if the vaxxed in hospitals are more elderly ?? 

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2 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

I thought about that too - I also wonder if the vaxxed in hospitals are more elderly ?? 

That's my guess.  Scroll through the CDC site and look at the comparison of contracting Covid for vaxxed, unvaxxed, and vaxxed with booster.  The story is clear, get the shot(s) and the booster.  They also show deaths from Covid for the different vax levels.  

Jesus Christ, the conclusion is so obvious, the Geico caveman is waiting in line for the booster as I type.  

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11 hours ago, Clove Hitch said:

Ya, you think if they are all about the science, etc as she says they would have simply cited a nice peer-reviewed study showing that a symptomatic nurse on his 6th day of symptoms can't infect an immunocompromised pt, like a newborn or chemo pt.  You think they would have done that right, if there was such a study out there.  Maybe because there isn't?

Chatter on various nurse forums/reddit about a nurse walk out has been persistent for a week now.   

The CDC and shit-bag CEOs might find out what happens when you do FUCK ALL two years into a pandemic except to shit on your staff. 

I'm genuinely sorry to hear this. Why has US business turned to the slumlord as their model?

- DSK

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On 1/7/2022 at 7:43 AM, Cal20sailor said:

A percentage increase is not variance!!!!!!  Variance has a very specific meaning in the statistics world and you don't understand it.  Top 5 school failed you miserably.

Say we're comparing 1 December hospitalizations say 10, to 1 January say 20, that's 100% increase, nowhere do you see variance being calculated.  Percentage increase is just the ((final value - initial value)/initial value) x 100 to make it a percentage.  In the above example:

((20-10)/10) x 100 = 1 x 100 0r 100%

Variance is a measure of the spread of the data, nothing to do with the numbers BD posted.

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There you go bringing actual facts to the discussion - really sad.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

I'm genuinely sorry to hear this. Why has US business turned to the slumlord as their model?

- DSK

Topic drift but what is the US ranked number one in these days?  Military spending, sure.  Setting judicial standards via rulings? Nope. Accounting practices? Still nope.  Example of free and fair elections? Healthcare system? Education? Freedom of opportunity as evidenced by social mobility?

We seem to be recreating the system we rebelled against the British over, an entrenched hereditary autocracy. 

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12 hours ago, Clove Hitch said:

And here is the problem.  The CDC still has everybody focused on case rate and numbers of cases.      If they really think omicron doesn't merit a bunch of fuss why not simply STOP publishing data on case rate and case numbers and only publish hospitalizations and deaths? They don't publish number of flu cases and case numbers-- see for yourself https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

Of course with 30% of the population never going to get vaccinated,  those numbers will always be bad, just come in waves.    

Hospitalizations continue to climb, here.  Take note of those blue lines, near the bottom.  Those are the pediatric patients - who are (largely) ineligible for a vaccine.  Pediatric acute care - 51.  Pediatric ICU - 10.  Both numbers have stayed in the single digits up until a few weeks ago.

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Hospitalizations continue to climb, here.  Take note of those blue lines, near the bottom.  Those are the pediatric patients - who are (largely) ineligible for a vaccine.  Pediatric acute care - 51.  Pediatric ICU - 10.  Both numbers have stayed in the single digits up until a few weeks ago.

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More Covid disinformation.  Children are not “largely” unable to be vaxed.

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45 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

More Covid disinformation.  Children are not “largely” unable to be vaxed.

Under age 5 are not eligible. Wanna guess how they’d be labeled?  
 

I’ll give you a hint. It rhymes with “mediatric”. 

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13 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Under age 5 are not eligible. Wanna guess how they’d be labeled?  
 

I’ll give you a hint. It rhymes with “mediatric”. 

If think you have learned a new word.  Congrats to you!  What age range does that branch of medicine serve?

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