Bus Driver 6,897 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Oh, boy. The rate of closing cases by death of the patient just hit 13%. But, nothing to worry about. Pay no attention to those lines on the log scale graphs. Mike says we cannot know what they indicate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,970 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 hours ago, mikewof said: No. And I think it's not so illustrative to compare it to flu anyway. It's a virus like flu, but the mode of death is more like pneumonia strep, which is a bacterial infection. COVID-19, like SARS has a foot in each world, of flu and pneumonia. Here's the real piece of data that would clearly tell us what's going on ... How many people have died from COVID-19 pneumonia who did NOT already have a common community pneumonia infection like strep? Or did not have impaired alveoli due to fluid load, or glycol load, vitamin E acetate load, etc.? For instance if someone is dying because their lungs are inundated with vaporized glycol and vitamin E acetate, and then on their deathbed they catch COVID-19 from a well-meaning orderly, that person officially died of COVID-19. If someone has COVID-19 and is asymptomatic, and then they catch a community acquired pneumonia strep and die from it as some million people do every year, then that person too has died of COVID-19 pneumonia. A COVID-19 death should rightly be a death where the COVID-19 significantly contributed to mortality. How many of those are there? 15,000? 10,000? 5,000? 1,000? Your efforts to deflect are becoming downright fucking ghoulish!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 6,897 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Fuck! Look at Italy go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,970 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: Mikey, last week you didn't even know what a virus -is- and what it does. And you kept repeating the destructive slogan (probably started by Russia's disinformation campaign) that Covid-19 was less important as a health threat than the flu. Now you're off on a different track of blah blah blah. And continuing to demand that others provide info to support your assertions. WTF dude? - DSK Wofsey has fallen off the edge of the cliff in defence of his argument, his complete lack of empathy is truly disturbing. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,970 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 hours ago, mikewof said: ? We're finally getting to what you want, and now you're getting distracted again. Try to stay focussed ... You want to discuss the rate of change of deaths per unit time right? Please post the graph or the data, and we can discuss. These shitfights are fun and all, but if someone made a Sailing Anarchy brand attention deficit medicine they would make millions on PA alone. You are one sick fuck!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,501 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Bus, That's an interesting chart, but when you compare Italy to china, its screams something is wrong with these unconfirmed self reported numbers from China. I just cant trust the realism of the China numbers... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,544 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Skepticism about any particular number coming out of China is alway warranted. They are technologically quite adept but like our current our current administration, more than a little fast and loose with the truth when politics warrant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,970 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 48 minutes ago, El Boracho said: Wofy: In your career, or your professional circles, did people create time in their busy schedules to hear your presentations at office meetings? I suppose you fancy yourself another Stephen Hawking: drawing people from the street that want to hear your inspiring selfless intelligence while perhaps understanding little of what you speak. Or perhaps my guess is more accurate: your peers dreaded listening to you, created hair appointments from thin air, because you are such an arrogant slippery snot. And back into ignore he goes, this is definitely not the time or place to hear his delusions of scientific grandeur. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 6,897 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Keith said: Bus, That's an interesting chart, but when you compare Italy to china, its screams something is wrong with these unconfirmed self reported numbers from China. I just cant trust the realism of the China numbers... Agreed. Italy's death rate is roaring. Their "Closed Cases" due to the patient dying is 44%. No, I did not misplace a decimal. It is FORTY-FOUR PERCENT! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sol Rosenberg 10,170 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bus Driver said: Agreed. Italy's death rate is roaring. Their "Closed Cases" due to the patient dying is 44%. No, I did not misplace a decimal. It is FORTY-FOUR PERCENT! It’s a good thing that the US has The Best Health Care System in the World. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I’m sure we were told by Jeffie or Sorcia that Italy’s problem was socialized medicine. What’s America’s problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clove Hitch 1,484 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bus Driver said: Agreed. Italy's death rate is roaring. Their "Closed Cases" due to the patient dying is 44%. No, I did not misplace a decimal. It is FORTY-FOUR PERCENT! It's just a bad flu, right Mikey and Dog? Meanwhile NYC could be just like Italy in 10 days or 2 weeks. And yet my buddy just looked out his window and saw 30 people with kids and dogs frollicking in the dog park (not NYC). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I have a feeling Florida is going to make everywhere else look almost mild by mid April. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShortForBob 2,955 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 4 hours ago, mikewof said: So it sounds perfectly normal to you that someone can die in a COVID-19 isolation ward, with COVID-19 pneumonia symptoms, and that death isn't recorded as COVID-19 related death? ding ding Mike. Life isn't normal ATM you tool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sol Rosenberg 10,170 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, MR.CLEAN said: I have a feeling Florida is going to make everywhere else look almost mild by mid April. Boat ramp by my house was backed up with locals heading to the sand bar. FL will set the bar on this. Even the gov refused to close the beaches while spring break was in full swing. Trumpettes in these parts think it’s a hoax. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I keep hearing shit like that from friends down there. It’s going to make the worst hurricane ever look like a bit of mist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Left Shift 3,617 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Has there ever been a person less worthy of communicating with than Mikey? I know all the other trolls and tRumpaholics have their desperate peculiarities, but none have the willful sociopathy combined with pure intellectual incompetence of Mikey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShortForBob 2,955 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Left Shift said: Has there ever been a person less worthy of communicating with than Mikey? I know all the other trolls and tRumpaholics have their desperate peculiarities, but none have the willful sociopathy combined with pure intellectual incompetence of Mikey. Mike is mike. Bipolar is my guess. and he's on an upswing into Hypermania whatever it is. He doesn't need the stimulation. I don't know what his official diagnosis is but the pressure in these times is clearly exacerbating it. Time to disengage. We need to look after all our people here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remodel 838 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 41 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said: It’s a good thing that the US has The Best Health Care System in the World. 32,644 US cases at this time. 402 deaths. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 6,897 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, Remodel said: 32,644 US cases at this time. 402 deaths. Why, it wasn’t that long ago Mikey was Pooh-poohing a death toll of 50. Seems like it’s gaining steam. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remodel 838 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Bus Driver said: Why, it wasn’t that long ago Mikey was Pooh-poohing a death toll of 50. Seems like it’s gaining steam. Yep. That's a lot of tombstones for a fake media/democratic hoax. You can track it here: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 6,897 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 hours ago, mikewof said: Dog, depending on whichever way this goes, let's all try to avoid saying "I told you so." What a steaming pile of horseshit. I don’t, for one moment, believe you wouldn’t be strutting around like a rooster in a hen house if this thing turns out to be nothing. I wonder if this is your first admission you might not be as fucking smart as you pretend to be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sol Rosenberg 10,170 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Remodel said: 32,644 US cases at this time. 402 deaths. It’s the greatest. Many people are saying it and they are saying it very strongly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, Bus Driver said: What a steaming pile of horseshit. I don’t, for one moment, believe you wouldn’t be strutting around like a rooster in a hen house if this thing turns out to be nothing. I wonder if this is your first admission you might not be as fucking smart as you pretend to be. That's not even a thing anymore is it? I mean, it's serious now. It can't turn out to be nothing because it's definitely something right this minute. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roundthebuoys 1,004 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 This fucking asshole is saying "we will win", "we will beat the enemy", "I'm a wartime president". Fuck him. His cult will think he had something to do with this. This isn't a war, it's a pandemic, it's sick people. He's not directing troops anywhere. This will be handled with or without him. And it will be handled despite him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,559 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Cristoforo said: Tonight’s presser is hilarious. He’s said ‘Chinese Virus’ 10x in the first 10 minutes. Completely embarrassing recapping how many gloves he has sent to Seattle. And its only just started at least the stock market is not going down while he speaks. That’s 2 days in a row with a steady Stock market! You spoke too soon. Futures just hit limit down. Progressively fewer people are sharing the stage with him.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,190 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 hours ago, mad said: Your efforts to deflect are becoming downright fucking ghoulish!! Mike doesn’t see people, he sees a dirty left hand(always use the left when there’s no TP) and real-world dirty numbers, and cannot cope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Cristoforo said: Fauci has more impact on futures than Trump now If that was true the drop would have happened at the outset. It didn’t. It happened halfway through the stream of diarrhea poured out of orange 45s mouth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,190 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just for Mikey. Not going to covers LenP’s sick acquaintance: Subscribe CALIFORNIA L.A. County gives up on containing coronavirus, tells doctors to skip testing of some patients Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center in Boyle Heights. (Brian van der Brug / Los Angeles Times ) By JACK DOLAN , BRITTNY MEJIA MARCH 20, 2020 Los Angeles County health officials advised doctors to give up on testing patients in the hope of containing the coronavirus outbreak, instructing them to test patients only if a positive result could change how they would be treated. The guidance, sent by the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health to doctors on Thursday, was prompted by a crush of patients and shortage of tests, and could make it difficult to ever know precisely how many people in L.A. County contracted the virus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 2,841 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Bus Driver said: Fuck! Look at Italy go. I worry for my in-law family in and around Venice. So far so good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Sean 2,841 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 No Dr. Fauchi on the podium today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sol Rosenberg 10,170 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sean said: No Dr. Fauchi on the podium today. Fact-based speakers don’t seem to last in the orbit of the Most Honest GOP President in History. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not My Real Name 3,596 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 7 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said: Dog it is so easy for you to prove how this 'glorified flu' is not a big deal. just go volunteer at your local hospital. Post pics. Unless you are some kind coward? When Mrs. O'leary's cow kicked over than lantern, only one stall got burned. Just a little barn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 29 minutes ago, Cristoforo said: I honestly think we would be better with Pence now. I'm sure you do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not My Real Name 3,596 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: 42 minutes ago, Cristoforo said: I honestly think we would be better with Pence now. I'm sure you do. We'd be better off with a moldy ham sandwich than either one of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShortForBob 2,955 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said: Fact-based speakers don’t seem to last in the orbit of the Most Honest GOP President in History. WASHINGTON —Calling it a “promising development,” Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that alcohol may help people survive the most severe effects of coronavirus briefings. Noting that millions of Americans have been exposed to the daily briefings of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, Fauci said that he had voluntarily submitted to a preliminary trial of the alcohol-based therapy. “What we have found is that a single dosage before the briefing and as much as a double dosage after the briefing do much to alleviate the most acute suffering,” Fauci said. (The Borowitz Report) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cristoforo said: So you flew to Seattle last week disregarding every guideline on social distancing. Nope. I flew in a level 3 suit with goggles and a mask before any federal guidelines were issued. They all thought i was crazy. they probably don't now. Keep doing you though. It's a good look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Cristoforo said: Of course but that’s not the hypothetical question being proposed right now would you prefer trump or pence right now for the next 8 months? Assuming Trump dies or resigns or goes to jail or whatever. Anyy simpleton can say they all suck. That’s not an option in the hypothetical I would rather have Pence for the next 8 months than Trump Pence would be way, way better than Trump provided he gets stricken down by the lord a week or two after Trump. O Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 3,544 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 The Cantonese fish mongers, think rude Boston but from Asia, were really nice to me today. Lucky Seafood Wholesale on E 12th. I'm a regular but a) they're usually really busy (Cash Only! Cash Only!) b) I'm retail and c) I don't speak the language. I seriously got no problem with any of that if they have the goods. They have the goods as their Asian wholesale clientele are really picky. Lots of variety too but I still just get salmon steaks ($6/lb farmed). They pulled out a fresh fish and sliced it up. I always say an inch they give me an inch and half. The checkout lady chatted with me about N95 masks and gloves. I was wearing my N95 left over from the fires. Their green beans were pre-wrapped today. The veggies were normally bucketed. This is a parchment salmon. Easy, no mess cleanup. First, a couple of salmon steaks. Debone them with a knife and tweezers. Second, lay the steaks out on parchment paper. I coat them with some olive oil, mostly for the taste. Salt, basil, lemon, whatever. I put some onion scales on top and seal up the parchment. I think I should probably microwave the onions for a minute. They don't steam that well in 20 minutes. 400 degrees. 20 minutes. You can't really over cook them unlike if you broil them. One of things I like about the olive oil is that it sits at the bottom of the parchment waiting to be dabbed up with some bread. Delish. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,501 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: Nope. I flew in a level 3 suit with goggles and a mask before any federal guidelines were issued. They all thought i was crazy. they probably don't now. Keep doing you though. It's a good look. You probably wear a harness stepping up out of the companion way, offshore ................ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Borracho 2,628 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 44 minutes ago, Cristoforo said: ... I would rather have Pence for the next 8 months than Trump I understand the odds that they both die or reign and you get Pelosi for the next 8 months is a wet dream for you, but that is not an option for you in this exercise I would rather have Pence than Trump. Only bcuz Pence qualifies as anybody but Trump. The country needs Pelosi in congress, and it would be way to much disruption when we need calm. Don't need America's Finest getting all worked up and start belly-bucking liberals in the streets. Ya know, violating social distance with their bellies, fists and cars. Would be some good lockdown entertainment watching McConnell change his tune, tho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,190 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 In good news for Jerkie, Soreass and @Dog, the hospitals are starting to activate their triage systems, so if you’re an old covid hoax denier, you may not have to worry about that terribly uncomfortable vent. Cause you won’t qualify for one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,852 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 And there’s this https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/new-blood-tests-antibodies-could-show-true-scale-coronavirus-pandemic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,852 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Shortforbob said: WASHINGTON —Calling it a “promising development,” Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that alcohol may help people survive the most severe effects of coronavirus briefings. Noting that millions of Americans have been exposed to the daily briefings of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, Fauci said that he had voluntarily submitted to a preliminary trial of the alcohol-based therapy. “What we have found is that a single dosage before the briefing and as much as a double dosage after the briefing do much to alleviate the most acute suffering,” Fauci said. (The Borowitz Report) L’Ecole Merlot 2016! Oh! Borowitz! Self fulfilling prophecy then.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerseyguy 1,710 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Kentucky vs. Tennessee response to Coronavirus https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/21/1929798/-Kentucky-vs-Tennessee-on-coronavirus-may-be-the-best-example-of-elections-matter-in-decades 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Keith said: Bus, That's an interesting chart, but when you compare Italy to china, its screams something is wrong with these unconfirmed self reported numbers from China. I just cant trust the realism of the China numbers... If the Italy vs. China data set doesn't jibe, how do you know which one is accurate short of doing a stochastic or moving average analysis? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Raz'r said: In good news for Jerkie, Soreass and @Dog, the hospitals are starting to activate their triage systems, so if you’re an old covid hoax denier, you may not have to worry about that terribly uncomfortable vent. Cause you won’t qualify for one. Support the party line or they'll let you die in triage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, mikewof said: Support the party line or they'll let you die in triage. i don't think that is the protocol. I think it is over 60s in italy. I guess here it depends on whether you are in a red or blue state. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,501 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, mikewof said: If the Italy vs. China data set doesn't jibe, how do you know which one is accurate short of doing a stochastic or moving average analysis? I can trust the information coming from Italy. I cannot trust the the source of the information coming from China. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Shortforbob said: Mike is mike. [B<Bipolar is my guess. and he's on an upswing into Hypermania whatever it is. He doesn't need the stimulation.[/b] I don't know what his official diagnosis is but the pressure in these times is clearly exacerbating it. Time to disengage. We need to look after all our people here. An amateur psychological diagnosis tells volumes about the amateur. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Keith said: I can trust the information coming from Italy. I cannot trust the the source of the information coming from China. I'm not suggesting that Italy is unethical or that China is ethical. But the best laid plans of mice and men go 'oft awry. "Trust" is something for politics and religion and marriages. Scientists should never "trust" conflicting data until one or more data sets meet measurement and application. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Bus Driver said: What a steaming pile of horseshit. I don’t, for one moment, believe you wouldn’t be strutting around like a rooster in a hen house if this thing turns out to be nothing. I wonder if this is your first admission you might not be as fucking smart as you pretend to be. I'm not that smart. Average IQ. It doesn't take high intelligence to think. It doesn't take strong muscles to run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Borracho 2,628 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 This is interesting. Has this comparison of Kentucky (D) and Tennessee (R) been posted yet? Elections have consequences. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/21/1929798/-Kentucky-vs-Tennessee-on-coronavirus-may-be-the-best-example-of-elections-matter-in-decades Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerseyguy 1,710 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, El Boracho said: This is interesting. Has this comparison of Kentucky (D) and Tennessee (R) been posted yet? Elections have consequences. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/21/1929798/-Kentucky-vs-Tennessee-on-coronavirus-may-be-the-best-example-of-elections-matter-in-decades Posted on this thread an hour ago. No harm in doing it again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,501 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, mikewof said: I'm not suggesting that Italy is unethical or that China is ethical. But the best laid plans of mice and men go 'oft awry. "Trust" is something for politics and religion and marriages. Scientists should never "trust" conflicting data until one or more data sets meet measurement and application. OK, If your analytical mind is fed inaccurate data in, then you have nothing but inaccurate data out, correct? So, In this case, you can not trust or verify the accuracy of the information your getting from China.. simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, Keith said: OK, If your analytical mind is fed inaccurate data in, then you have nothing but inaccurate data out, correct? So, In this case, you can not trust or verify the accuracy of the information your getting from China.. simple. I'm still not clear why you can trust the data from Italy, but you can't trust the data from China. Do you know something about the way data in both places was collected? The characterization? The controls? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, mikewof said: I'm still not clear why you can trust the data from Italy, but you can't trust the data from China. Really? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,190 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, Keith said: I can trust the information coming from Italy. I cannot trust the the source of the information coming from China. Agreed. Similar to the total caseload in the US. Although the US bogus numbers are just incompetence. “We’re #1, Fuck Yeah” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,190 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, mikewof said: I'm still not clear why you can trust the data from Italy, but you can't trust the data from China. Do you know something about the way data in both places was collected? The characterization? The controls? Did you figure out why the checksum is still off? I’m guessing you have a circular formula. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,501 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, mikewof said: I'm still not clear why you can trust the data from Italy, but you can't trust the data from China. Do you know something about the way data in both places was collected? The characterization? The controls? You can work that out for yourself... I know you have the ability... carry on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 hours ago, mad said: Wofsey has fallen off the edge of the cliff in defence of his argument, his complete lack of empathy is truly disturbing. I've been working on the problem of diarrhea and cholera in Developing Nations back when you used to hang out here talking for days about your grandfathers guns that you inherited or something. Money talks, bullshit walks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,926 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 but lots of you trusted what the US gummint said when they were lying and covering up bigly. Why pick on China? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 4,326 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 This evening someone pointed out that the big spike in NY is due in large part to the increase in testing. Now that testing is finally getting off the ground (bad pun for drive thru) I expect to see the numbers rising rapidly in Texas as well. I would not trust Mikey to calculate my garbage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 hours ago, LenP said: Thank you. That was my understanding from what I have been told as well. The additional bit that Mike seems hung up on is that those presumptive diagnoses are not being reported as confirmed cases in the media. You're suggesting the USA is now under control of a conspiracy. I have seen no reports that physicians and hospitals are not doing the job to which they have been entrusted, but that's essentially what you claim. So you're now suggesting that the current 420 COVID-19 deaths is a hugely under-reported number, and that "all" of the hospitals and "all" of the physicians are in fact hiding COVID-19 deaths from the CDC and the American public by not noting that a huge percentage of patients that die from pneumonia and flu in fact likely died from COVID-19? You find it odd that I'm "hung up" on your suggestion of a massive American conspiracy? Okay, so our current death toll of 420 is wrong, and in fact IN YOUR OPINION GIVEN THIS CONSPIRACY, about how many many Americans have in fact perished from COVID-19? 840? 1,200? 2,400? 4,800? 9,600? Certainly with those numbers, we would see an unexplained bump in the deaths from community acquired pneumonia and seasonal flu? Right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, d'ranger said: This evening someone pointed out that the big spike in NY is due in large part to the increase in testing. Now that testing is finally getting off the ground (bad pun for drive thru) I expect to see the numbers rising rapidly in Texas as well. I would not trust Mikey to calculate my garbage. I don't understand your logic. You're suggesting that increased testing is going to raise the mortality rate? Roughly how would that happen? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,501 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said: but lots of you trusted what the US gummint said when they were lying and covering up bigly. Why pick on China? Please spend a little time, and learn more about China. Here's a small sample of what happens inside a country that almost completely controls its own news reporting to the outside world. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-48700786 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 4,187 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 you have that weird brain issue where you see your own assumptions as those made by others. it's a bit disconcerting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 4,326 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, mikewof said: I don't understand your logic. You're suggesting that increased testing is going to raise the mortality rate? Roughly how would that happen? You don't understand logic or reason dude. The incidence rate is rising because increased testing is finding it. You know, because symptoms don't always show up and even then it's 2 weeks. With no testing there is no reliable data and NY is leading the country in the number of tests being administered. Don't bother replying as I am finally just putting you on ignore. And someone took my crayons. edit: And where the fuck did you get mortality rate from my post? Out of your ass? Your obsession with people dying? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,501 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said: but lots of you trusted what the US gummint said when they were lying and covering up bigly. Why pick on China? Here's another example, one that an American can relate to. NBA facing 'substantial' losses over China dispute https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50091931 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, d'ranger said: You don't understand logic or reason dude. The incidence rate is rising because increased testing is finding it. You know, because symptoms don't always show up and even then it's 2 weeks. With no testing there is no reliable data and NY is leading the country in the number of tests being administered. Don't bother replying as I am finally just putting you on ignore. And someone took my crayons. "Incidence rate"? Do you mean the number of infections versus time? The number of deaths versus time? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 4,326 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, mikewof said: "Incidence rate"? Do you mean the number of infections versus time? The number of deaths versus time? Get a pencil, shove it up your ass and work it out for yourself. buh bye. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, Raz'r said: Did you figure out why the checksum is still off? I’m guessing you have a circular formula. Checksum? Cite? How can you have a checksum on collected data? Isn't a checksum a thing that is made to check the accuracy of an existing data set? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 1,501 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, d'ranger said: You don't understand logic or reason dude. The incidence rate is rising because increased testing is finding it. You know, because symptoms don't always show up and even then it's 2 weeks. With no testing there is no reliable data and NY is leading the country in the number of tests being administered. Don't bother replying as I am finally just putting you on ignore. And someone took my crayons. edit: And where the fuck did you get mortality rate from my post? Out of your ass? Your obsession with people dying? This is the most important aspect. If the testing ramps up, then we will begin to see the real numbers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: Really? Yeah, please feel free to explain. Is it just kind of a political thing like "we can't trust the Chinese"? Or is it a specific and known problem about the way the data was collected in China? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Keith said: This is the most important aspect. If the testing ramps up, then we will begin to see the real numbers. Real numbers of what? Infections? Deaths? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,190 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, mikewof said: You're suggesting the USA is now under control of a conspiracy. I have seen no reports that physicians and hospitals are not doing the job to which they have been entrusted, but that's essentially what you claim. So you're now suggesting that the current 420 COVID-19 deaths is a hugely under-reported number, and that "all" of the hospitals and "all" of the physicians are in fact hiding COVID-19 deaths from the CDC and the American public by not noting that a huge percentage of patients that die from pneumonia and flu in fact likely died from COVID-19? You find it odd that I'm "hung up" on your suggestion of a massive American conspiracy? Okay, so our current death toll of 420 is wrong, and in fact IN YOUR OPINION GIVEN THIS CONSPIRACY, about how many many Americans have in fact perished from COVID-19? 840? 1,200? 2,400? 4,800? 9,600? Certainly with those numbers, we would see an unexplained bump in the deaths from community acquired pneumonia and seasonal flu? Right? No, he’s reporting the fact that we don’t have enough tests, and the medical system is making do without. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,190 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, mikewof said: Checksum? Cite? How can you have a checksum on collected data? Isn't a checksum a thing that is made to check the accuracy of an existing data set? Dude, I’m imagining you feverishly building your bullshit number in some spreadsheet and spouting them off. yet we know they’re bullshit since nothing holds together. as an old spreadsheet jockey, I’m just pointing out that you can use checksums to auto-check your math. It was a JOKE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
d'ranger 4,326 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Keith said: This is the most important aspect. If the testing ramps up, then we will begin to see the real numbers. Exactly. And that is going to take some time in the US. Stay tuned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,190 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, mikewof said: Real numbers of what? Infections? Deaths? Yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, Raz'r said: Yes How would that work? If more asymptomatic people are diagnosed with the disease, how would the death rate increase? Wouldn't that make the death rate decrease? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikewof 1,246 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, Raz'r said: No, he’s reporting the fact that we don’t have enough tests, and the medical system is making do without. No. He's "reporting" that hospitals and physicians are putting people in COVID-19 isolation wards, and when some of them die, many or most of these disease victim's deaths are not reported at COVID-19 deaths, since they didn't get a proper test. He's suggesting that the patient's data makes no mention of COVID-19, and when these people in COVID-19 isolation wards die, they are apparently marked as just deaths by "pneumonia" or "flu" or whatever happens to be handy. And "all" of the hospitals are doing this, apparently under direction by the CDC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clove Hitch 1,484 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, mikewof said: No. He's "reporting" that hospitals and physicians are putting people in COVID-19 isolation wards, and when some of them die, many or most of these disease victim's deaths are not reported at COVID-19 deaths, since they didn't get a proper test. He's suggesting that the patient's data makes no mention of COVID-19, and when these people in COVID-19 isolation wards die, they are apparently marked as just deaths by "pneumonia" or "flu" or whatever happens to be handy. And "all" of the hospitals are doing this, apparently under direction by the CDC. Did you read what the actual doctor that is treating these people in the ICU wrote in this thread not too long ago? Holy shit. You are the dumbest fucker on this forum, and that says a lot. Self-quarantine from this forum for a year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cal20sailor 3,481 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, mikewof said: How would that work? If more asymptomatic people are diagnosed with the disease, how would the death rate increase? Wouldn't that make the death rate decrease? Mike, why have you privileged all of us with your imagined expertise? My mom's approaching 91 and suffers from pneumonia but has a mind sharper than yours. I claim she has more to offer than you, hell, she's never been on this site. Your choice, down or polyester, what is your pillow of choice to be snuffed with? When we shift gears and get personal, I know you are a good guy. I really don't like how you have spread your message on this thread.
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