Aussie Government blow it (Again)

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1 minute ago, 00seven said:

33 consecutive days of 1,000 plus infections in Sicktoria, many days being closer to 2,000. Don't you should worry about your own place and let NSW run their own race, they're doing a mile better than the dicktator state.

Why are you not up in arms at the abysmal performance of you local govt?

"Don't you should"?

And Dan is state, not local government.

And it's "dictator".

 

Though I suppose "dicktator" maybe be a Freudian slip....

 

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1 minute ago, Ease the sheet. said:

"Don't you should"?

And Dan is state, not local government.

And it's "dictator".

 

Though I suppose "dicktator" maybe be a Freudian slip....

 

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7 minutes ago, 00seven said:

Don't the hooks hurt?

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24 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Don't the hooks hurt?

Might of, it wasn't me that took it.

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2 minutes ago, 00seven said:

Might of, it wasn't me that took it.

So are we to assume you're not gay, but your boyfriend is?

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17 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

So are we to assume you're not gay, but your boyfriend is?

Is that the Royal "we"? You can assume whatever you like. It's a childish assumption but you do you. Not my call.

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1 hour ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Blah blah blah.

FKT

Would you care to name any major progressive achievement of Liberal governments in the last 50 years?

You only have to look at their recent embarrassing performance in Glasgow.

Apparently, do nothing and wait for technology that doesn't exist is "The Australian Way"

Given Morrison's evisceration of Bill Shorten just three years ago for failing to provide precise modelling for Labor's proposed emissions targets, how is it that he can now breezily commit to a target 29 years away with the assurance that a substantial amount of the heavy lifting will be done by technological wizardry currently beyond our ken?

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John Howard also went to that election offering an emissions trading scheme. He was convinced to do so by his departmental secretary Peter Shergold and the Australian Business Roundtable on Climate Change, which in a 2006 report recommended early action on carbon abatement would be a prudent choice. That report argued prompt action would secure a better GDP outcome than putting it off until — ahem — 2022.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-31/morrison-climate-plan-net-zero-new-model-political-leadership/100576698

Liberals have been strangling this country  for 50 years.

 

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44 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

Would you care to name any major progressive achievement of Liberal governments in the last 50 years?

You only have to look at their recent embarrassing performance in Glasgow.

Apparently, do nothing and wait for technology that doesn't exist is "The Australian Way"

Given Morrison's evisceration of Bill Shorten just three years ago for failing to provide precise modelling for Labor's proposed emissions targets, how is it that he can now breezily commit to a target 29 years away with the assurance that a substantial amount of the heavy lifting will be done by technological wizardry currently beyond our ken?

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John Howard also went to that election offering an emissions trading scheme. He was convinced to do so by his departmental secretary Peter Shergold and the Australian Business Roundtable on Climate Change, which in a 2006 report recommended early action on carbon abatement would be a prudent choice. That report argued prompt action would secure a better GDP outcome than putting it off until — ahem — 2022.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-31/morrison-climate-plan-net-zero-new-model-political-leadership/100576698

Liberals have been strangling this country  for 50 years.

 

This is Corona anarchy stupid. You can't tell other people off for going off topic when you do it yourself.

33 consecutive days 1000+, many of those days closer to 2,000. What is Dan doing wrong?

That's a fuckload of infections....

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33 minutes ago, 00seven said:

This is Corona anarchy stupid. You can't tell other people off for going off topic when you do it yourself.

 

OK, how are the Vaccinations going up there? Got to 70% DD yet?

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1 hour ago, ShortForBob said:

 

Liberals have been strangling this country  for 50 years.

 

This goes to show how stupid you are to think only one party has done the country good.

you are as dumb as the average MAGA hat wearer.

 

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20 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

This goes to show how stupid you are to think only one party has done the country good.

you are as dumb as the average MAGA hat wearer.

 

One major progressive achievement of Liberal governments in the last 50 years?

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2 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

One major progressive achievement of Liberal governments in the last 50 years?

So you still think that only one party can do good for the country. You should try looking beyond your bias once in a while.

Hard left/right people like you would lead the country into becoming a basket case if you weren't just a fringe minority. I find that it is pointless to try to have a inteligent conversation with someone as blinded as you.

 

On 11/1/2021 at 10:37 PM, The Dark Knight said:

Visionaries are good, but often they lack the ability to manage the money. Whitlam was an excellent example of that, a visionary who had no idea how to manage an economy.  
 

He did do some good reforms that we all benefit from even now, but it was good he got booted before he did too much damage.

 

The success of a politician to me is based on the reforms they made that are not undone when the other party takes charge.  both Liberal and Labor government have benefitted from the others reforms. 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

So you still think that only one party can do good for the country. You should try looking beyond your bias once in a while.

 

 

 

You're avoiding the question.

What's wrong? surely you can come up with one major progressive achievement of Liberal governments in the last 50 years?

Floated the Dollar? ooops no that was Keating.

NDIS? Nope that was Gillard.

Come on..just one.

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2 hours ago, 00seven said:

This is Corona anarchy stupid. You can't tell other people off for going off topic when you do it yourself.

33 consecutive days 1000+, many of those days closer to 2,000. What is Dan doing wrong?

That's a fuckload of infections....

Says the idiot posting dick lures.

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31 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

You're avoiding the question.

What's wrong? surely you can come up with one major progressive achievement of Liberal governments in the last 50 years?

Floated the Dollar? ooops no that was Keating.

NDIS? Nope that was Gillard.

Come on..just one.

Wool reserve price scheme.

Petrol pricing parity.

Discounts to capital gains.

GST.

Selling the gold reserve at 306 USD an oz.

Sending Australians to Iraq.

Gay marriage mail in poll.

 

Just to name a few.

 

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On 11/1/2021 at 4:37 PM, ShortForBob said:

Hmmm. My parents always took care not to discuss religion or politics in front of us children. Of course I was 16 and capable of forming my own opinion rather than parroting what my parents read in the Herald or Sun.

Perhaps you grew up indoctrinated? 

Kerr's crime was sacking Whitlam after Frasers Libs and the DLP blocked supply in the senate and said they would continue to do so unless Whitlam called a  house of Reps election only and then installing Fraser as Caretaker PM against all protocols and giving the  opposition an electoral advantage. Whitlam should have been the Caretaker PM after a Double dissolution.

It was essentially a bloodless coup. and the closest we've ever come to a civil war.

But you probably don't remember that. Because you were too young and it probably didn't register in your house.

Whitlam appointed Kerr GG and he was a life time member of the ALP. Even there own realized what a danger he was. But as you were walking through the rain to attend grade 3 at Butthole-on-sea lower school at the time we will excuse your usual ignorance.

[LB 15 6,545]

6 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

One major progressive achievement of Liberal governments in the last 50 years?

Well bringing down the communist Whitlam government for one. How about saving 50 000 lives by there leadership throughout the pandemic?

Hey BTW when are you off to meet Spiro?

Greece Covid cases: Country records highest daily infections to date

Just four weeks after several restrictions were removed for the fully-vaccinated, this country is battling a record number of new infections.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/greece-covid-cases-country-records-highest-daily-infections-to-date/news-story/a4d3bef80fc0f2c0a899bd8b95814d4f

 

They have the same problem as Victoria. To many wogs.

 

[Happy 1,710]

29 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

 

 

They have the same problem as Victoria. To many wogs.

 

I'm shocked and offended, mate. You're just so wrong.

That's "Too" with two fuckin' O's!

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26 minutes ago, Happy said:

I'm shocked and offended, mate. You're just so wrong.

That's "Too" with two fuckin' O's!

My bad 'Too many wogs'.

Thank you for pointing that out.

[LB 15 6,545]

[ShortForBob 2,961]

1 hour ago, Happy said:

I'm shocked and offended, mate. You're just so wrong.

That's "Too" with two fuckin' O's!

F'kn Oath F'kn Oath 

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7 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Wool reserve price scheme.

Petrol pricing parity.

Discounts to capital gains.

GST.

Selling the gold reserve at 306 USD an oz.

Sending Australians to Iraq.

Gay marriage mail in poll.

 

Just to name a few.

 

Not to mention 39 Billion dollar give- aways with no claw back provisions.

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8 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

You're avoiding the question.

What's wrong? surely you can come up with one major progressive achievement of Liberal governments in the last 50 years?

Floated the Dollar? ooops no that was Keating.

NDIS? Nope that was Gillard.

Come on..just one.

Why would or should I discuss this with you? You are so blinded by bias, it’s pointless. 
 

how about you post some positives of liberal governments that you truely believe in so show that you are not blinded. I’ve already admitted even Whitlam had some good policies.

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15 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

Liberals have been strangling this country  for 50 years.

And they are not done yet, written by a British journalist to describe another but could have been written for our misfit of a PM on tour in Europe, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without recalling this attribution..................

”He is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit: he turns being artless into an art form; there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of deceitful people too. But rarely has stupidity been so deceitful, or deceit so stupid.”

Back home in NSW Gladys continues her stout defense: “I know nothing”.

And in WA, the almost non-existent Libs are expelling members who are calling for reform 

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44 minutes ago, Frakka said:

Back home in NSW Gladys continues her stout defense: “I know nothing”.

Perhaps she learnt from Dan "I can't recall" Andrews..... 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

Perhaps she learnt from Dan "I can't recall" Andrews..... 

 

 

Perhaps you could criticise both for saying exactly the same thing instead of being a partisan hack

 

And if I could answer meli's question about the liberals achievements, maybe you could give it a go?

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16 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Perhaps you could criticise both for saying exactly the same thing instead of being a partisan hack

 

And if I could answer meli's question about the liberals achievements, maybe you could give it a go?

I watch some of her grilling live on Friday. She certainly was unsure about a lot of things, but most of the questions related to 2017, 4 years earlier. Dan could not remember things that occurred 4-6 months earlier.

Gladys's clearly made some pretty poor decisions 3-4 years back and should have had alarm bells ringing in her head at times. She should have come clean about the relationship. It's hard to tell is some decisions were made to "buy love" or simply "buy votes" at the next election that all governments do.

Given how long ago things happened, it is likely some of her forgetfulness was genuine, but some will have been "doing a Dan".

It's clear that she had to go. She is political toxic until the findings come out at least.

 

Dan should have done the right thing and resigned as well. 

 

Now fuck off. 

 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

And if I could answer meli's question about the liberals achievements, maybe you could give it a go?

 

Keeping or getting Australia out of a Covid induced recession (I can't remember if we dipped our toes in)

Locking the international borders and keeping covid mostly out (not saying I fully agree)

 

Two things that you should not be criticising Scomo for, but you do anyway.

 

now fuck off

 

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Just now, The Dark Knight said:

 

Keeping or getting Australia out of a Covid induced recession (I can't remember if we dipped our toes in)

Locking the international borders and keeping covid mostly out (not saying I fully agree)

 

Two things that you should not be criticising Scomo for, but you do anyway.

 

 

 

Seeing Scomo had to do a non liberal thing to achieve the first, I doubt you'd see the irony.

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back on topic...

 

The two leaders who deserve the most praise for how they handled Covid are clearly Scomo & Gladys.

Scomo gave Aus an environment to survive and thrive whilst Gladys took a much more national approach to running her state, doing the heavy lifting.

No one else comes close to those two.

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9 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

I watch some of her grilling live on Friday. She certainly was unsure about a lot of things, but most of the questions related to 2017, 4 years earlier. Dan could not remember things that occurred 4-6 months earlier.

Gladys's clearly made some pretty poor decisions 3-4 years back and should have had alarm bells ringing in her head at times. She should have come clean about the relationship. It's hard to tell is some decisions were made to "buy love" or simply "buy votes" at the next election that all governments do.

Given how long ago things happened, it is likely some of her forgetfulness was genuine, but some will have been "doing a Dan".

It's clear that she had to go. She is political toxic until the findings come out at least.

 

Dan should have done the right thing and resigned as well. 

 

Now fuck off. 

 

 

 

Maguire played Gladys.

She only resigned because of ICAC. No other jurisdiction in the country has such a body with such wide ranging powers.

Politician around the country do what she did and don't face investigation.

I feel sorry her.

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2 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

back on topic...

 

The two leaders who deserve the most praise for how they handled Covid are clearly Scomo & Gladys.

Scomo gave Aus an environment to survive and thrive whilst Gladys took a much more national approach to running her state, doing the heavy lifting.

No one else comes close to those two.

Scomo went missing and NSW seeded the country, twice.

Your still a fucking idiot.

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4 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Seeing Scomo had to do a non liberal thing to achieve the first, I doubt you'd see the irony.

I've always seen that irony. 

The worst possible leader we could have is someone who steadfastly sticks to following their ideology regardless of the circumstances.

Hawke & Keating did some very "unlabor" reforms that deserve praise, just as Scomo deserves now.

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16 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

I've always seen that irony. 

The worst possible leader we could have is someone who steadfastly sticks to following their ideology regardless of the circumstances.

Hawke & Keating did some very "unlabor" reforms that deserve praise, just as Scomo deserves now.

So it doesn't matter who does the necessary reforms then?

Now, back to meli's question.......

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6 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

Why would or should I discuss this with you? You are so blinded by bias, it’s pointless. 
 

how about you post some positives of liberal governments that you truely believe in so show that you are not blinded. I’ve already admitted even Whitlam had some good policies.

Gun control.

 

Your turn.

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

50 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

Gun control.

 

Your turn.

wow you like Little Johnny for something

 

[00seven 434]

29 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

wow you like Little Johnny for something

 

Putting restrictions on the population isn’t progressive. Restrictions are regressive. 

[LB 15 6,545]

Well bad luck Meli, Auckland has just bumped Melbourne as Lonely Planets worlds most livable city. Obviously the lefty wankers that write this shit have a thing for cold wet cities in lock down that are run by socialists and full of Wogs. 

The classic is that everyone who lives in both these most livable cities can't wait to leave. Like you Shirley Valentine.

 

Why Lonely Planet's 'Best City' list will never get it right

https://www.escape.com.au/news/why-lonely-planets-best-city-list-will-never-get-it-right/news-story/43463a4606465af1690f38aeffb67523

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

43 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Well bad luck Meli, Auckland has just bumped Melbourne as Lonely Planets worlds most livable city. Obviously the lefty wankers that write this shit have a thing for cold wet cities in lock down that are run by socialists and full of Wogs. 

The classic is that everyone who lives in both these most livable cities can't wait to leave. Like you Shirley Valentine.

 

Why Lonely Planet's 'Best City' list will never get it right

https://www.escape.com.au/news/why-lonely-planets-best-city-list-will-never-get-it-right/news-story/43463a4606465af1690f38aeffb67523

They are always bullshit rankings... Normally the one that Melbourne wins is from the Economist. It's rankings are really for employers sending staff to foreign cities and not related to life for the average residents.

Melbourne will be hammered next time around. Anyway, it's not the Wogs that's the problem there these days (even pre-covid) 

 

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22 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

Would you care to name any major progressive achievement of Liberal governments in the last 50 years?

1. Gun buy–back scheme. Credited with helping to reduce homicides by 25% and suicide by gun by 67%. The Aus rate is 0.7 deaths per 100,000. The US rate is around 11 per 100,000

2. Child care tax rebate. 30 percent tax rebate for child care costs, plus another 30% for approved work related care. All while doubling government spending on child care.

3. Goods and services tax. Not only couldn't Keating get a broad–based consumption tax introduced when treasurer, he actively fought against the GST while offering no alternative (apparently he preferred a VAT, as if there's any difference to average citizens).

4. Marriage equality. Labor actively dodged the issue when in government. Many criticised the plebiscite, but it got the job done.

And that's just in the last 25 years off the top of my head.

Though I guess by definition achievements of a conservative government are conservative. I'd also note that "conservative" is only a political orientation in the US. Elsewhere, conservatives can be found in all varieties of belief system—political, religious, whatever.

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20 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Says the idiot posting dick lures.

Says the dick that swallowed the dick lure

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22 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

OK, how are the Vaccinations going up there? Got to 70% DD yet?

Territorians don't feel the need to rush like Sicktorians. There's no sense of urgency about it. NT is well passed 70% anyway.

Remember the reportedvax rates are based on the Medicare address. After 30+ years here I updated my Medicare address 5 years ago. There's vaxxed Territorians making your rates look better.

I'm happy to see the rate below 1,000/day in Sicktoria but your Premier needs to get his shit in a pile. The NT isn't opening borders to all you diseased southerners. Do your tests and do your Q if you want to come here or fuck the fuck right off.

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5 minutes ago, 00seven said:

Territorians don't feel the need to rush like Sicktorians. There's no sense of urgency about it. NT is well passed 70% anyway.

 

64.27%

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30 minutes ago, 00seven said:

Says the dick that swallowed the dick lure

Dicks on your mind?

 

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1 hour ago, RobG said:

1. Gun buy–back scheme. Credited with helping to reduce homicides by 25% and suicide by gun by 67%. The Aus rate is 0.7 deaths per 100,000. The US rate is around 11 per 100,000

2. Child care tax rebate. 30 percent tax rebate for child care costs, plus another 30% for approved work related care. All while doubling government spending on child care.

3. Goods and services tax. Not only couldn't Keating get a broad–based consumption tax introduced when treasurer, he actively fought against the GST while offering no alternative (apparently he preferred a VAT, as if there's any difference to average citizens).

4. Marriage equality. Labor actively dodged the issue when in government. Many criticised the plebiscite, but it got the job done.

And that's just in the last 25 years off the top of my head.

Though I guess by definition achievements of a conservative government are conservative. I'd also note that "conservative" is only a political orientation in the US. Elsewhere, conservatives can be found in all varieties of belief system—political, religious, whatever.

Maybe 1 of them might be considered representative of liberal governments.

 

I leave you to figure out which one....

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39 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

64.27%

 

33 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Dicks on your mind?

 

2 in the boat.

[ShortForBob 2,961]

43 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Maybe 1 of them might be considered representative of liberal governments.

 

I leave you to figure out which one....

And they scrapped the child care tax rebate in 2018.

Furthermore. 

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/Publications_Archive/archive/childcaresupport

The Commonwealth Government first became financially involved with childcare in 1972. In that year the Child Care Act 1972 provided funding ($6.5 million for the first year) for non-profit organisations (including local government bodies) to operate centre-based day care facilities for children of working and sick parents. Funding was provided for capital grants, recurrent grants (to help pay qualified staff and provide for children in special need) and grants for research into matters relating to childcare. To be eligible for this funding the centre-based long day care centres had to operate for at least 48 weeks a year and be open for at least eight hours every working day.

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13 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

And they scrapped the child care tax rebate in 2018.

Furthermore. 

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/Publications_Archive/archive/childcaresupport

The Commonwealth Government first became financially involved with childcare in 1972. In that year the Child Care Act 1972 provided funding ($6.5 million for the first year) for non-profit organisations (including local government bodies) to operate centre-based day care facilities for children of working and sick parents. Funding was provided for capital grants, recurrent grants (to help pay qualified staff and provide for children in special need) and grants for research into matters relating to childcare. To be eligible for this funding the centre-based long day care centres had to operate for at least 48 weeks a year and be open for at least eight hours every working day.

Corona forum Meli. Behave yourself.

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2 hours ago, 00seven said:

Corona forum Meli. Behave yourself.

 

2 hours ago, 00seven said:

 

2 in the boat.

 

Fuck, I love this place.

[Happy 1,710]

22 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

F'kn Oath F'kn Oath 

Wrong.

It's "Kinoath." In Queensland the F is silent.

Also in Qld, the Covid-driven exodus from hellholes like Sydney and Melbourne has made property prices crazy. It's tempting, I might cash in.

If I could convince her indoors to live in an RV, I could afford a boat and have half-a-mill left over.

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

37 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Also in Qld, the Covid-driven exodus from hellholes like Sydney and Melbourne has made property prices crazy. It's tempting, I might cash in.

If I could convince her indoors to live in an RV, I could afford a boat and have half-a-mill left over.

you're welcome...

[ShortForBob 2,961]

1 hour ago, Happy said:

Wrong.

It's "Kinoath." In Queensland the F is silent.

Also in Qld, the Covid-driven exodus from hellholes like Sydney and Melbourne has made property prices crazy. It's tempting, I might cash in.

If I could convince her indoors to live in an RV, I could afford a boat and have half-a-mill left over.

Take her to Greece, then you can have a house, a boat and a million left over

[ShortForBob 2,961]

12 hours ago, RobG said:

 

4. Marriage equality. Labor actively dodged the issue when in government. Many criticised the plebiscite, but it got the job done.

 

Shirley you jest.

Neither major party would touch that. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Australia

It was forced upon them.

 

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

2 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

It was forced upon them.

 

How?

 

Because Turnbull made an election promise, winning the election and in the tradition of all Politicians, he could not break his promise?

[ShortForBob 2,961]

7 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

How?

 

Because Turnbull made an election promise, winning the election and in the tradition of all Politicians, he could not break his promise?

It was a private members bill. Read.

Despite initially suggesting the Government had "no plans to take any other measures on this issue",^[41] Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull came under increasing pressure to change policy and allow a conscience vote in the Parliament.^[42] By August 2017, several Liberal Party MPs revealed they would consider crossing the floor to suspend standing orders and force debate on same-sex marriage legislation against the Government's wishes.^[43] Consequently, at a Liberal party room meeting on 7 August 2017, the Government resolved to conduct a voluntary postal survey on the matter later in the year.^[44] The Government stated the survey would only occur in the event the Senate again rejected the legislation enabling the plebiscite, which happened on 9 August 2017.^[45] The survey did not require legislative approval by the Parliament and despite being legally challenged, was upheld by the High Court.^[46] The survey was held between 12 September and 7 November 2017 and returned a 61.6% "Yes" vote in favour of same-sex marriage.^[47] The Government responded by confirming it would facilitate the passage of a private member's bill legalising same-sex marriage before the end of the year.^[48]

That bill, the Marriage Amendment (Definition and Religious Freedoms) Act 2017, was introduced into the Parliament by openly gay Liberal Party backbencher, Senator Dean Smith.^[49] The bill amended Section 5 of the Marriage Act to define marriage in Australia as the union of "2 people".^[50] It also removed the ban on overseas same-sex marriages being recognised in Australia, including ones that occurred before the law change.^[51] Additionally, the bill included protections for religious celebrants, ministers of religion and bodies established for a religious purpose, to not be obligated to perform or provide services and facilities to marriages they object to.^[50] The bill passed the Senate by 43 votes to 12 on 29 November 2017 and passed the House of Representatives on 7 December 2017 by a vote of 131 to 4; there were 11 abstentions.^[52][53][54] The bill received royal assent on 8 December 2017 and went into effect the following day.^[55] Same-sex marriages lawfully entered into overseas automatically became recognised from that date, and the first weddings after the normal one-month waiting period occurred from 9 January 2018.^[56][57] Several same-sex couples successfully applied for an exemption from the one-month waiting period,^[58] and the first legal same-sex wedding under Australian law was held on 15 December 2017, with further weddings taking place the following day.

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2 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

It was a private members bill. Read.

Despite initially suggesting the Government had "no plans to take any other measures on this issue",^[41] Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull came under increasing pressure to change policy and allow a conscience vote in the Parliament.^[42] By August 2017, several Liberal Party MPs revealed they would consider crossing the floor to suspend standing orders and force debate on same-sex marriage legislation against the Government's wishes.^[43] Consequently, at a Liberal party room meeting on 7 August 2017, the Government resolved to conduct a voluntary postal survey on the matter later in the year.^[44] The Government stated the survey would only occur in the event the Senate again rejected the legislation enabling the plebiscite, which happened on 9 August 2017.^[45] The survey did not require legislative approval by the Parliament and despite being legally challenged, was upheld by the High Court.^[46] The survey was held between 12 September and 7 November 2017 and returned a 61.6% "Yes" vote in favour of same-sex marriage.^[47] The Government responded by confirming it would facilitate the passage of a private member's bill legalising same-sex marriage before the end of the year.^[48]

That bill, the Marriage Amendment (Definition and Religious Freedoms) Act 2017, was introduced into the Parliament by openly gay Liberal Party backbencher, Senator Dean Smith.^[49] The bill amended Section 5 of the Marriage Act to define marriage in Australia as the union of "2 people".^[50] It also removed the ban on overseas same-sex marriages being recognised in Australia, including ones that occurred before the law change.^[51] Additionally, the bill included protections for religious celebrants, ministers of religion and bodies established for a religious purpose, to not be obligated to perform or provide services and facilities to marriages they object to.^[50] The bill passed the Senate by 43 votes to 12 on 29 November 2017 and passed the House of Representatives on 7 December 2017 by a vote of 131 to 4; there were 11 abstentions.^[52][53][54] The bill received royal assent on 8 December 2017 and went into effect the following day.^[55] Same-sex marriages lawfully entered into overseas automatically became recognised from that date, and the first weddings after the normal one-month waiting period occurred from 9 January 2018.^[56][57] Several same-sex couples successfully applied for an exemption from the one-month waiting period,^[58] and the first legal same-sex wedding under Australian law was held on 15 December 2017, with further weddings taking place the following day.

You are fucking stupid....

Turnbull went to the 2016 election with the GM promise. He set the wheels in motion that allowed for the private members bill to be passed. 

He could have continued blocking ....

 

[ShortForBob 2,961]

2 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

You are fucking stupid....

Turnbull went to the 2016 election with the GM promise. He set the wheels in motion that allowed for the private members bill to be passed. 

He could have continued blocking ....

 

Yeah right. 

I hope you have a bit more objectivity when you consider other important personal issues.

 

[ShortForBob 2,961]

Alan Jones just got the boot!

And there is much rejoicing  

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/alan-jones-leaves-sky-news-contract-not-renewed/100593274

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

1 hour ago, ShortForBob said:

Yeah right. 

I hope you have a bit more objectivity when you consider other important personal issues.

 

Nice comment coming from someone so blinded by bias.

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12 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

Nice comment coming from someone so blinded by bias.

We all appreciate your fair and reasonable mindedness.

So fair and reasonable that you can't list anything your side has done without either lying or prompting from the other side....

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Not blowing it imo but nowhere else to put it. Vax boosters in the national vax program.

My 80-something friend sent me photos of a business drinks reception he went to in Sydney. Room full, jammed full, of people. No masks. Talking laughing. Each held a wine glass. Apparently there is an eating and drinking exception. He had a surgical mask on and stood a bit apart. Surprised he'd do that. Hope he gets his booster soon. I think his daughter laid down the law...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/coronavirus-boosters-likely-for-years-to-come-pharmacy-guild-20211105-p596ff.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1636231546

[ShortForBob 2,961]

I went house hunting with my daughter yesterday.

Of the 4 flats we looked at, only one agent ensured we checked in AND had our double vax certificate. Went to get a coffee and pastry at a cafe, no one checking that patrons were checking in and they claimed to be unaware of the double vax requirement. We left.

Looks like that from this point, like your friend, we are on our own to take personal responsibility for our safety.

[accnick 1,748]

1 minute ago, ShortForBob said:

I went house hunting with my daughter yesterday.

Of the 4 flats we looked at, only one agent ensured we checked in AND had our double vax certificate. Went to get a coffee and pastry at a cafe, no one checking that patrons were checking in and they claimed to be unaware of the double vax requirement. We left.

Looks like that from this point, like your friend, we are on our own to take personal responsibility for our safety.

At the end of the day, it's up to you

[ShortForBob 2,961]

8 minutes ago, accnick said:

At the end of the day, it's up to you

Always has been, however it's a shame that people who have done the right thing throughout this are still being held hostage by the greedy and the non compliant. I was looking forward to that coffee and cake with my girl.

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2 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

Always has been, however it's a shame that people who have done the right thing throughout this are still being held hostage by the greedy and the non compliant. I was looking forward to that coffee and cake with my girl.

You say that like it's something new.

The vast majority of laws & rules are there because the minority won't do stuff for the common good.

No masks down here, most people using the check in app, nobody asking for proof of vaccination as yet, at least not anywhere I've been, and I just got home from a road trip to NW Tasmania and back.

So nice to be out of the mainland capital city pestilential shit-holes. And yeah I know it won't last, amazed it hasn't gone to shit already in fact.

Oh well back to boat work.

FKT

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[The Dark Knight 1,257]

8 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

Looks like that from this point, like your friend, we are on our own to take personal responsibility for our safety.

Heaven forbid that you have to take personal responsibility. What's the world coming to.

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

8 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

Always has been, however it's a shame that people who have done the right thing throughout this are still being held hostage by the greedy and the non compliant. I was looking forward to that coffee and cake with my girl.

How are you held hostage? The unvaccinated are the ones who are at risk, not you.

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

The vaccine mandates across Australia that cause people to lose their jobs is a fucking disgrace.  

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-nsw-anti-vaccination-protests-across-australia/5959f55f-677c-4bf4-8686-00bbaaa18352

ACT is 95% double vaxed for over 16's, NSW nearly 90% and Vic nearly 85%. I can perhaps understand the low vaxed states needing to implement such rules, but states with such high vax rates should now not care about your vax status.

People who are vaccinated are protected and those who are not, it's up to them. 

 

 

[ShortForBob 2,961]

1 hour ago, The Dark Knight said:

How are you held hostage? The unvaccinated are the ones who are at risk, not you.

Don't be more stupid than you can help being.

I may be fully vaxxinated, My daughter may be fully vaccinated.

That doesn't necessarily  prevent us getting sick. I'd prefer not to spend my accrued leave nursing a "mild case" of covid or nursing her.

From what I've heard, a "mild" case can be pretty shitty.

Don't you read anything on this covid forum?

[ShortForBob 2,961]

Anyway. 

Should we brag outside this thread that Western Sydney hospitals only have TWO covid patients ATM and Melbourne's hospitalisation rates ate plummeting?

The country is 80% over 16's fully vaxxed

ACT is over 90% fully vaxxed

NSW is over 90% fully Vaxxed( "thanks for the early involuntary donations of your vaccines" "That's OK We suppose"

Victoria expecting to be 90% fully vaxxed in two weeks.

Well done us. 

[00seven 434]

Thanks Victoria

A Covid-positive woman who lied on her border entry form when entering Darwin has been identified as the source of the three-person cluster which triggered a lockdown in Katherine.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/07/australia-covid-update-woman-who-lied-on-border-form-is-source-of-nt-outbreak-as-katherine-moves-to-lockout

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

43 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

Don't be more stupid than you can help being.

I may be fully vaxxinated, My daughter may be fully vaccinated.

That doesn't necessarily  prevent us getting sick. I'd prefer not to spend my accrued leave nursing a "mild case" of covid or nursing her.

From what I've heard, a "mild" case can be pretty shitty.

Don't you read anything on this covid forum?

Guess what, you catch colds and flu’s and you feel shit.
 

You make it sound like that before covid people did not get sick. Guess what, before covid, some people got sick and even died. 
 

18 months ago was not the time to treat covid as just another flu (as some suggested) but now with a national Vax rate of 80% and some states closing in on or passing 90%, it’s time to live with it and stop being a fucking idiot.

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

41 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

Anyway. 

Should we brag outside this thread that Western Sydney hospitals only have TWO covid patients ATM and Melbourne's hospitalisation rates ate plummeting?

The country is 80% over 16's fully vaxxed

ACT is over 90% fully vaxxed

NSW is over 90% fully Vaxxed( "thanks for the early involuntary donations of your vaccines" "That's OK We suppose"

Victoria expecting to be 90% fully vaxxed in two weeks.

Well done us. 

And yet you still are a fucking idiot.

[ShortForBob 2,961]

35 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

Guess what, you catch colds and flu’s and you feel shit.
 

 

Sigh.

The colds and Flu I may catch do not generally infect other people, even vaccinated people, with a life threatening virus you idiot.

Why is it that people like yourself, can never see further than one?

 

[ShortForBob 2,961]

52 minutes ago, 00seven said:

Thanks Victoria

A Covid-positive woman who lied on her border entry form when entering Darwin has been identified as the source of the three-person cluster which triggered a lockdown in Katherine.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/07/australia-covid-update-woman-who-lied-on-border-form-is-source-of-nt-outbreak-as-katherine-moves-to-lockout

I think she was a South Australia Idiot.

She at least had the sense to skip the ACT 

SA Health said the 21-year-old woman drove from Adelaide to Melbourne on October 21 before returning on October 24, then staying overnight in South Australia.

NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner had previously said she arrived in South Australia on October 25.

She later flew to Cairns and Darwin.

SA Health said it was investigating the woman's movements within South Australia but has so far not listed any exposure sites connected with her.

She tested positive in Darwin on Friday night.

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19 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

Sigh.

The colds and Flu I may catch do not generally infect other people, even vaccinated people, with a life threatening virus you idiot.

Why is it that people like yourself, can never see further than one?

 

So, generally, how do people catch colds & flu?

[00seven 434]

17 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

I think she was a South Australia Idiot.

She at least had the sense to skip the ACT 

SA Health said the 21-year-old woman drove from Adelaide to Melbourne on October 21 before returning on October 24, then staying overnight in South Australia.

NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner had previously said she arrived in South Australia on October 25.

She later flew to Cairns and Darwin.

SA Health said it was investigating the woman's movements within South Australia but has so far not listed any exposure sites connected with her.

She tested positive in Darwin on Friday night.

You read the link? Obviously not, idiot. Adelaide isn't a hot spot,Melbourne is still at 1,000 plus/day. Are you not thinking of those remote communitees anymore?

"Before arriving in Darwin the woman spent time in Melbourne, where Gunner said she “almost certainly” contracted Covid before spending time in Adelaide and Cairns."

 

"The woman is a close contact of the index case, an unvaccinated man in his 20s who worked at RAAF Tindal, near the town of Katherine."

"They spent last weekend at the Mantra hotel in Darwin together after she arrived from Cairns, before he tested positive for the virus on Thursday."

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

9 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

Sigh.

The colds and Flu I may catch do not generally infect other people, even vaccinated people, with a life threatening virus you idiot.

Why is it that people like yourself, can never see further than one?

 

If you catch the flu, you can and do infect others. How do you think it spreads, by pixies?

In a “bad” year, flu kills just as many as Covid did in Australia. See the chart. 

Globally the death rate for covid infected is 3.4% but in Aus that rate will be massively slashed as 80% of over 16s are fully vaccinated and healthy kids barely get sick and certainly don’t die.

Fully vaccinated adults dont get hospitalised unless there is something else wrong with them. Just like the flu.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/in-the-icu-where-only-maria-is-vaccinated-others-die-in-disbelief-20211105-p596gc.html

People who are unvaccinated and catch covid will spread it to vaccinated and unvaccinated. Children and fully vaccinated healthy adults will suffer mild symptoms, unvaccinated will suffer, but that is the risk they chose.
 

Fully vaccinated adults who have pre-existing conditions that, like the woman in the article above, need to treat every one as a potential threat to their health and act accordingly. The can still catch covid from a fully vaccinated person who is out in the public because their symptoms are so mild. 
 

ohhh yeah, treatment for Covid is getting better as they discover more drugs that are effective treatments.

Victoria, NSW & ACT do not need to discriminate against unvaccinated.

[The Dark Knight 1,257]

10 hours ago, 00seven said:

So, generally, how do people catch colds & flu?

Evil Pixies come to your home when you are sleeping and sprinkle pixie dust over you containing the disease.

No one knows how the pixies decide who to visit.

[ShortForBob 2,961]

Does anyone know what these two are waffling on about?

They seem to be implying that Covid is "just a bad flu"

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15 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

Guess what, you catch colds and flu’s and you feel shit.