Aussie Government blow it (Again)

[LB 15 6,510]

1 hour ago, Tharsheblows said:

Quibbling over what the article called it seems to be sidestepping the point.  The facility does exist and it appears that it is not voluntary. 

Are those "accommodations" a step too far or an appropriate exercise of government authority in the name of health?

 

[LB 15 6,510]

9 minutes ago, Tharsheblows said:

Australia seems to have a deep willingness to comply with fairly serious government controls. 

[Frakka 105]

30 minutes ago, Tharsheblows said:

.......but perhaps my opinion was just influenced too much......

....... by reading the Gateway Pundit  

[Sidecar 1,306]

1 hour ago, Tharsheblows said:

I think many people around the world would argue that there is a sense of proportionality that is missing in the decision to implement mandatory quarantine facilities for people who were exposed to but tested negative for a disease which now has a 99%+ recovery rate for the vast majority of people (excluding the elderly and those with some comorbidities).

Currently, in the US, roughly 10 times more people per 100k during the last two years have died from Covid than from car accidents.

Covid deaths: ~ 243 people/100k, Road deaths: ~ 25 people/100k.

So if you are OK with the Covid risk, you could immediately stop wearing seat belts, speed as much you want, ignore all road safety signs, play chicken, and watch your favourite podcast whilst drunk and driving a car which isn’t safe or roadworthy.

Why restrict your freedom? The risk is far less. Go for it!

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=usa+number+of+car+accident+deaths+per+annum&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-au&client=safari
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

FWIW, Australia, being an unnecessarily “compliant” country, the figures are:

Covid deaths: ~ 10 people/100k, Road deaths: ~ 9 people/100k.

There is the price of your freedom.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Sidecar

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,233]

5 hours ago, accnick said:

I assume what they mean by "forced internment camp" is a quarantine facility.

Right-wing bullshit at its finest.

That's absolutely true, but really it's no more than the flip side of the left wing fuckwits like Meli labeling Australia's immigration detention centres as concentration camps.

Cue "But that's DIFFERENT!" cries from the usual suspects...

FKT

[00seven 417]

2 hours ago, Tharsheblows said:

Fair enough,  I personally feel that is quite a bit too far given what we now know about COVID but to each their own.  I think its amazing how this whole pandemic has exposed the general character of various nations.  

Hold up a mo. The video is from the national resilience centre in the NT. The Nt has the harshest quarantine measures in the country for one primary reason. That being the vulnerability of the aboriginal communities that are so abundant here. 

[ShortForBob 2,940]

2 hours ago, Frakka said:

....... by reading the Gateway Pundit  

We have a winner !!

[ShortForBob 2,940]

1 hour ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

That's absolutely true, but really it's no more than the flip side of the left wing fuckwits like Meli labeling Australia's immigration detention centres as concentration camps.

Cue "But that's DIFFERENT!" cries from the usual suspects...

FKT

Well isn't it different?

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

4 hours ago, Sidecar said:

roadworthy cars

That's a piss poor example when a check is only required when you change ownership. 

[Sidecar 1,306]

2 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

That's absolutely true, but really it's no more than the flip side of the left wing fuckwits like Meli labeling Australia's immigration detention centres as concentration camps.

Cue "But that's DIFFERENT!" cries from the usual suspects...

FKT

It is different…..  ~ 14 days quarantine “detention” as opposed to the legislated immigration detention maximum of 273 days, but in reality, can be 10 years and still counting:

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/detention-australia-statistics/5/

My guess is that the menus won’t be the same standard either…..

[Ease the sheet. 2,281]

Is seeking refuge status a communicable disease?

 

[Sidecar 1,306]

13 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

That's a piss poor example when a check is only required when you change ownership. 

Police can pull you over anytime and declared your car unroadworthy?

How many times have you seen duff lights whist driving at night? OK when you bought the car, are they therefore still legal? Ditto tyres.

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

17 minutes ago, Sidecar said:

Police can pull you over anytime and declared your car unroadworthy?

How many times have you seen duff lights whist driving at night? OK when you bought the car, are they therefore still legal? Ditto tyres.

If they are going to do RWC, they need to enforce regular testing.

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

27 minutes ago, Sidecar said:

 legislated immigration detention maximum of 273 days, but in reality, can be 10 years and still counting:

Yes, that is wrong. They should deport them quickly once it is established that they are not going to be approved.

[ShortForBob 2,940]

1 hour ago, The Dark Knight said:

Yes, that is wrong. They should deport them quickly once it is established that they are not going to be approved.

That's a little difficult when 90% are found to be refugees under the UNHCR rules. Why do you think they don't deport them?

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

 

1 hour ago, ShortForBob said:

That's a little difficult when 90% are found to be refugees under the UNHCR rules. Why do you think they don't deport them?

In light of your 90% comment, I amend my original comment

 

3 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

Yes, that is wrong. They should deport them quickly once it is established that they are not going to be approved. Otherwise keep on doing the same to act as a deterrent. 

I don't accept refugees if they have escaped the country they are seeking refuge from and travel to country shop. We should take our refugees from the various camps and say no to queue jumpers. 

[00seven 417]

4 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Is seeking refuge status a communicable disease?

 

There are no refugees in the Howard Springs national resilience centre you idiot. 

[Se7en 439]

4 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

If they are going to do RWC, they need to enforce regular testing.

NSW does.

And stop suggesting that stupidity should be implemented anywhere else. I'm already banned from picking 'er indoors up from work in 2 of my cars. Just because she wants to work for the EPA.

[ShortForBob 2,940]

1 hour ago, The Dark Knight said:

 

In light of your 90% comment, I amend my original comment

 

I don't accept refugees if they have escaped the country they are seeking refuge from and travel to country shop. We should take our refugees from the various camps and say no to queue jumpers. 

Well that was the Gillard plan, send those in Christmas island to Malaysia and take 4x? the number from their overcrowded UNHCR camps (cant remember the exact details) But the libs and greens scuttled that  plan which is why I wont vote Green.

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

2 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

 which is why I wont vote Green.

That’s the most sensible thing I’ve seen you write.

as a political party, the greens have the least credibility of any party. One issue parties should support the government except when the government goes against the 1 issue.
 

 

[ShortForBob 2,940]

24 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

That’s the most sensible thing I’ve seen you write.

as a political party, the greens have the least credibility of any party. One issue parties should support the government except when the government goes against the 1 issue.
 

 

I'm a practical socialist.

[LionessRacing 670]

1 hour ago, ShortForBob said:

I'm a practical socialist.

??? That's intrinsically oxymoronic. Socialism is hardly practical, it's inevitably self terminating, usually in a violent spasm. 

 

[ShortForBob 2,940]

11 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

??? That's intrinsically oxymoronic. Socialism is hardly practical, it's inevitably self terminating, usually in a violent spasm. 

 

And what would you know about socialism?

Another brain washed ignorant American.

[sparau 83]

2 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

That’s the most sensible thing I’ve seen you write.

as a political party, the greens have the least credibility of any party. One issue parties should support the government except when the government goes against the 1 issue.
 

 

It's a pretty wide reaching 1 issue - deforestation?  Species extinction? Coal Mining?  Endless sprawling suburbs filled with invasive obligate carnivores?  In Australia it is difficult to know where to stop if you have any idea of conservation of our planet for anyone not an old person in a sailing forum - i.e. there is probably a lot of "fuck em, i'll be dead anyway, we've always done it this way".

Led from the top with our "It's only coal" fuckwit Prime Minister.

 

[NeedAClew 1,786]

Is everybody in Australia on the government teat?  Must be if your right wing party is "Liberal" lol. 

[phill_nz 862]

every govt has people " on the teat "

the only thing that changes is

the further right the govt

the higher earner you have to be to get on it

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,233]

16 hours ago, Sidecar said:

It is different…..  ~ 14 days quarantine “detention” as opposed to the legislated immigration detention maximum of 273 days, but in reality, can be 10 years and still counting:

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/detention-australia-statistics/5/

My guess is that the menus won’t be the same standard either…..

Having been in a quarantine detention centre let me assure you that the menu verged on cruel & unusual punishment.

Fortunately you were allowed to get care parcels.

And I note the general deflection away from the comparison of immigration detention centres being the same thing as concentration camps. Perhaps making such hyperbolic claims isn't actually productive - who ever could have igured that out.

FKT

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

8 hours ago, sparau said:

It's a pretty wide reaching 1 issue - deforestation?  Species extinction? Coal Mining?  Endless sprawling suburbs filled with invasive obligate carnivores?  In Australia it is difficult to know where to stop if you have any idea of conservation of our planet for anyone not an old person in a sailing forum - i.e. there is probably a lot of "fuck em, i'll be dead anyway, we've always done it this way".

Led from the top with our "It's only coal" fuckwit Prime Minister.

 

In terms of what the government is responsible for and what they introduce bills for, the Green platform is on issue. They should support the government of the day, be they liberal or labor on issues unrelated to their platform agenda. 

 

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

1 hour ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Having been in a quarantine detention centre let me assure you that the menu verged on cruel & unusual punishment.

Given that the HQ tends to be at hotels with large kitchens servicing rooms and restaurants, it's pretty disgraceful that they can't supply decent food to the prisoners.

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,233]

1 hour ago, The Dark Knight said:

Given that the HQ tends to be at hotels with large kitchens servicing rooms and restaurants, it's pretty disgraceful that they can't supply decent food to the prisoners.

That may be true for capital cities but I can assure you from personal experience that it's not true in Devonport.

Food from takeaway places delivered tepid to your room. Some of the options I'd not eat. And some days there were no options. As I said, fortunately I had friends who sent care parcels. It was only 2 weeks, BFD, I've done frequent 3 month stints on a ship in the Southern Ocean. I caught up on a lot of YouTube vids and wrote code.

Anyway it's all beside the point. Quarantine detention isn't any sort of hell hole, merely an inconvenience, and immigration detention centres aren't concentration camps. Idiots from the left & right who make stupid claims to the contrary just demonstrate that facts aren't really of any interest to them, only posturing. As Meli so frequently demonstrates...

FKT

[RobG 816]

16 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

…

as a political party, the greens have the least credibility of any party. One issue parties should support the government except when the government goes against the 1 issue.

Your straw man is clearly an imposter.

The Greens are not a one issue party. Name one coalition government issue that the Greens have opposed that isn't part of the Greens' agenda.

[00seven 417]

 

[Happy 1,705]

On 12/7/2021 at 8:48 PM, The Dark Knight said:

...... the greens have the least credibility of any party. 
 

 

They are good for a laugh though.  I particularly enjoyed their recent policy announcement regarding legalizing methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin, and cutting the military's budget by 50%.

No doubt they will soon announce an election platform based on immediate closing of all coal mines, and compulsory vegetarianism for all. Their party room is still divided on the issue of compulsory bi-sexuality.......

 

[phill_nz 862]

2 hours ago, Happy said:

They are good for a laugh though.  I particularly enjoyed their recent policy announcement regarding legalizing methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin, and cutting the military's budget by 50%.

No doubt they will soon announce an election platform based on immediate closing of all coal mines, and compulsory vegetarianism for all. Their party room is still divided on the issue of compulsory bi-sexuality.......

 

yes .. the bastards they want to head towards a utopian rather than a good right wing dystopian society

 

treating drugs as a medical and social issue rather than a criminal one ... unheard of .. the war must go on

we are winning and expect to be home by xmas

 

there are a few advantages in heading towards a more vegan diet but meat will be an option for the foreseeable future

 

and ok because they do have a lot of arty types so lesbians abound .. not so many ( insert preferred name for homosexual .. i just dont like the word gay for it )

 

and worst of all

they want to care for the planet and its people rather than putting money and power first

 

the bastards .. how could they

 

 

 

[ShortForBob 2,940]

Barney's got Covid. In the USA.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-09/barnaby-joyce-tests-positive-for-covid-19-in-united-states/100685450

[ShortForBob 2,940]

18 minutes ago, phill_nz said:

yes .. the bastards they want to head towards a utopian rather than a good right wing dystopian society

 

treating drugs as a medical and social issue rather than a criminal one ... unheard of .. the war must go on

we are winning and expect to be home by xmas

 

there are a few advantages in heading towards a more vegan diet but meat will be an option for the foreseeable future

 

and ok because they do have a lot of arty types so lesbians abound .. not so many ( insert preferred name for homosexual .. i just dont like the word gay for it )

 

and worst of all

they want to care for the planet and its people rather than putting money and power first

 

the bastards .. how could they

 

 

 

My objection to the Greens is not so much political but attitudinal .

Maybe it's just my local branch was filled with privately educated young things with that annoying lack of concern for the fate of those they would dispossess. (The local candidate Jason Ball, was a nice bloke though)

They'd bang on endlessly about being green, but ask them what they propose to do to retrain and gainfully re employ the people in towns in the coal fields etc, you'd just get a blank stare.

 

(plus they need to vet their other candidates a bit better to not give preference to "reformed" misogynists)

I'll vote green again when they grow up a bit.

   

[Frakka 105]

2 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

Barney's got Covid. In the USA.

I notice Johhny Depp has called for him to be put down.

[RobG 816]

4 hours ago, phill_nz said:

…there are a few advantages in heading towards a more vegan diet…

That's like heading toward being a bit more pregnant. You're either vegan or not.

There are plenty of downsides to a vegan diet, most struggle to remain healthy. A diet with no meat, dairy or eggs is not healthy for normal humans. There's no proof that converting the entire human race to veganism will do anything useful.

There are vague references to reduced methane from fewer farmed animals, but that can be achieved in other ways. There are also claims that the equivalent in plant–based food uses fewer resources like water and land, but I'm not convinced. To grow a lot of food takes a lot of land whether it's cattle or wheat.

I thought that vegans were about animal welfare, any collateral benefits to the planet are just a bonus and since climate change became a thing, trendy.

[Se7en 439]

4 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

My objection to the Greens 

Maybe it's just my local branch was filled with privately educated young things with that annoying lack of concern for the fate of those they would dispossess.

I'll vote green again when they grow up a bit.

Nope - that's about par for the course. It's worth having one or two around to generate noise, but as you say, don't let them actually make any decisions unless they grow up.

Like that briefcase thay carried around for Trump "Yes sir, it is the nuclear football. No sir, you didn't see me just take my lunch out of it"

[phill_nz 862]

40 minutes ago, RobG said:

That's like heading toward being a bit more pregnant. You're either vegan or not.

There are plenty of downsides to a vegan diet, most struggle to remain healthy. A diet with no meat, dairy or eggs is not healthy for normal humans. There's no proof that converting the entire human race to veganism will do anything useful.

There are vague references to reduced methane from fewer farmed animals, but that can be achieved in other ways. There are also claims that the equivalent in plant–based food uses fewer resources like water and land, but I'm not convinced. To grow a lot of food takes a lot of land whether it's cattle or wheat.

I thought that vegans were about animal welfare, any collateral benefits to the planet are just a bonus and since climate change became a thing, trendy.

i see you have problems understanding subtleties like heading towards not being the same as strict adherence to

and i bet without googling you cannot estimate within a ball park how much water it takes to produce a ltr of milk

 

 

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

1 hour ago, RobG said:

That's like heading toward being a bit more pregnant. You're either vegan or not.

There are plenty of downsides to a vegan diet, most struggle to remain healthy. A diet with no meat, dairy or eggs is not healthy for normal humans. There's no proof that converting the entire human race to veganism will do anything useful.

There are vague references to reduced methane from fewer farmed animals, but that can be achieved in other ways. There are also claims that the equivalent in plant–based food uses fewer resources like water and land, but I'm not convinced. To grow a lot of food takes a lot of land whether it's cattle or wheat.

I thought that vegans were about animal welfare, any collateral benefits to the planet are just a bonus and since climate change became a thing, trendy.

I enjoy a good vegan salad to go alongside my steak.

[phill_nz 862]

and a meal isn't a meal without a bit of burnt dead animal

 

[Ease the sheet. 2,281]

2 hours ago, phill_nz said:

i see you have problems understanding subtleties like heading towards not being the same as strict adherence to

and i bet without googling you cannot estimate within a ball park how much water it takes to produce a ltr of milk

 

 

If you came her to find thinkers, you're gonna be disappointed....

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

8 hours ago, phill_nz said:

yes .. the bastards they want to head towards a utopian rather than a good right wing dystopian society

 

treating drugs as a medical and social issue rather than a criminal one ... unheard of .. the war must go on

we are winning and expect to be home by xmas

 

there are a few advantages in heading towards a more vegan diet but meat will be an option for the foreseeable future

 

and ok because they do have a lot of arty types so lesbians abound .. not so many ( insert preferred name for homosexual .. i just dont like the word gay for it )

 

and worst of all

they want to care for the planet and its people rather than putting money and power first

 

the bastards .. how could they

 

 

 

H.G. Wells wrote about your Utopian Society in 1895. They were called the Eloi.

[RobG 816]

3 hours ago, phill_nz said:

…and i bet without googling you cannot estimate within a ball park how much water it takes to produce a ltr of milk

I don't care, and it's irrelevant. If a farmer can make more money from plant-based production vs animal, I expect that's what they'd do. Water is just an input. Many farms are a blend of animal and plant, it's whatever is most efficient for that particular farm or even part of a farm.

That's one of the strong points of capitalism—demand drives production with regulation by government at the edges to keep it fair and not too destructive of the planet or its occupants.

[phill_nz 862]

15 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

H.G. Wells wrote about your Utopian Society in 1895. They were called the Eloi.

had they not been morlocks it might be similar

your thinking hitlers utopia

not a real one based on honesty fairness and openness

 

as far as utopia goes

.. we know what it is .. we know how to get there .. we mostly want to be there

yet because of an imaginary concept we invented ( money ) we dont think we can afford to get there

how effing stupid is that

[phill_nz 862]

2 minutes ago, RobG said:

I don't care, im just being my usual trolling self

fify

[phill_nz 862]

4 minutes ago, RobG said:

to keep it fair and not too destructive of the planet or its occupants.

you dont get out much for a walk around do you

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

7 minutes ago, phill_nz said:

had they not been morlocks it might be similar

your thinking hitlers utopia

not a real one based on honesty fairness and openness

 

as far as utopia goes

.. we know what it is .. we know how to get there .. we mostly want to be there

yet because of an imaginary concept we invented ( money ) we dont think we can afford to get there

how effing stupid is that

Utopia is an imaginary concept that is impossible to realise. 

[phill_nz 862]

2 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

Utopia is an imaginary concept that is impossible to realise. 

you could say the same thing about democracy or communism

 

but they dont keep telling you those are impossible concepts

 

[ShortForBob 2,940]

4 hours ago, RobG said:

That's like heading toward being a bit more pregnant. You're either vegan or not.

There are plenty of downsides to a vegan diet, most struggle to remain healthy. A diet with no meat, dairy or eggs is not healthy for normal humans. There's no proof that converting the entire human race to veganism will do anything useful.

There are vague references to reduced methane from fewer farmed animals, but that can be achieved in other ways. There are also claims that the equivalent in plant–based food uses fewer resources like water and land, but I'm not convinced. To grow a lot of food takes a lot of land whether it's cattle or wheat.

I thought that vegans were about animal welfare, any collateral benefits to the planet are just a bonus and since climate change became a thing, trendy.

Got served vegan burgers at a work fairwell BBQ. I though..OK why not?

First bite? mildly interesting falafal texture with beetroot notes.

Second bite? texture? hmm. OK, when does this start to feel like I'm not eating minced beetroot with sawdust and boiled egg?

Third bite? Enough already.

Don't get me wrong, I love good falafal. But one would think that with tried and proven delicious "vegan" examples around like falafel, various lentil dishes, and heaps of southern european dishes and middle eastern foods that are entirely meat egg and dairy free . Why is "modern vegan" so god awfully dry and tasteless?

[00seven 417]

1232 cases for Victoria. Why does it stay so high?

[00seven 417]

 

[ShortForBob 2,940]

So now ATAGI have approved vaccines for 5-12, another problem rears it's ugly head. Separated and divorced parents fighting over the kids.

Personally, If I had custody, I'd just get it done anyway regardless of the ex's objections. I mean, he or she can take you to court, but once in they can't take it out again can they?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-10/parents-separated-legal-impact-disagreeing-vaccine-children/100672200

[Pipe Dream 93]

48 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

So now ATAGI have approved vaccines for 5-12, another problem rears it's ugly head. Separated and divorced parents fighting over the kids.

Personally, If I had custody, I'd just get it done anyway regardless of the ex's objections. I mean, he or she can take you to court, but once in they can't take it out again can they?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-10/parents-separated-legal-impact-disagreeing-vaccine-children/100672200

Yeah well, my ex (experienced community and clinical pharmacist) is saying she needs to do her own risk benefit analysis before agreeing for our two kids (7 & 10) to be jabbed. Funnily enough, when I asked her why she thought her risk analysis was going to be better than TGA and ATAGI, she didn't respond.

Considering she has never been even remotely vaccine hesitant or anti-vaxx, I think she is just yanking my chain to cause conflict.

I called her out on this and said that I didn't think she was silly enough to deny the kids the vaccine and therefore the only reason to write what she did was to stir up conflict. Crickets, also....

She is just in it to stir the shit but unfortunately, she uses the kids as unwitting pawns to try an yank my chain too.

Bitch.

 

[accnick 1,741]

1 minute ago, Pipe Dream said:

Yeah well, my ex (experienced community and clinical pharmacist) is saying she needs to do her own risk benefit analysis before agreeing for our two kids (7 & 10) to be jabbed. Funnily enough, when I asked her why she thought her risk analysis was going to be better than TGA and ATAGI, she didn't respond.

Considering she has never been even remotely vaccine hesitant or anti-vaxx, I think she is just yanking my chain to cause conflict.

I called her out on this and said that I didn't think she was silly enough to deny the kids the vaccine and therefore the only reason to write what she did was to stir up conflict. Crickets, also....

She is just in it to stir the shit but unfortunately, she uses the kids as unwitting pawns to try an yank my chain too.

Bitch.

 

Unfortunately, I suspect your story is all too common.

[accnick 1,741]

57 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

So now ATAGI have approved vaccines for 5-12, another problem rears it's ugly head. Separated and divorced parents fighting over the kids.

Personally, If I had custody, I'd just get it done anyway regardless of the ex's objections. I mean, he or she can take you to court, but once in they can't take it out again can they?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-10/parents-separated-legal-impact-disagreeing-vaccine-children/100672200

According to a lot of RWNJ evangelicals in the US, you can pray to Yeebus and get him to suck the demon vaccine out of others.

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

7 minutes ago, Pipe Dream said:

Yeah well, my ex (experienced community and clinical pharmacist) is saying she needs to do her own risk benefit analysis before agreeing for our two kids (7 & 10) to be jabbed. Funnily enough, when I asked her why she thought her risk analysis was going to be better than TGA and ATAGI, she didn't respond.

Considering she has never been even remotely vaccine hesitant or anti-vaxx, I think she is just yanking my chain to cause conflict.

I called her out on this and said that I didn't think she was silly enough to deny the kids the vaccine and therefore the only reason to write what she did was to stir up conflict. Crickets, also....

She is just in it to stir the shit but unfortunately, she uses the kids as unwitting pawns to try an yank my chain too.

Bitch.

 

It sounds like she is in a position where she understands the potential for issues with the mass roll out of a rushed vaccine approval process. We don't know the long term impact of these vaccines because they have only been used for a relatively short period of time. The fact that normal healthy children seem to only be mildly affected by Delta means that there are minimal rewards (for the child) for the unknown risks. 

If your children are not at risk of serious illness because of pre-existing conditions, then why worry about your ex's caution. Even if they are vaccinated, they can catch covid and spread it. 

 

 

[NeedAClew 1,786]

They will catch it less, thus spread less. As is, they are the same germ farms kids always are with respiratory and gastro things but this time with covid it has economic and public health externalities on a global scale.

 

[NeedAClew 1,786]

38 minutes ago, Pipe Dream said:

Yeah well, my ex (experienced community and clinical pharmacist) is saying she needs to do her own risk benefit analysis before agreeing for our two kids (7 & 10) to be jabbed. Funnily enough, when I asked her why she thought her risk analysis was going to be better than TGA and ATAGI, she didn't respond.

Considering she has never been even remotely vaccine hesitant or anti-vaxx, I think she is just yanking my chain to cause conflict.

I called her out on this and said that I didn't think she was silly enough to deny the kids the vaccine and therefore the only reason to write what she did was to stir up conflict. Crickets, also....

She is just in it to stir the shit but unfortunately, she uses the kids as unwitting pawns to try an yank my chain too.

Bitch.

 

In case they get covid and get sick (hope not but shit happens) keep a record of her irresponsibility. 

[Frakka 105]

18 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

Utopia is an imaginary concept that is impossible to realise. 

Au contraire mon ami, "Go West young man" is sage advice, Camelot awaits you :) 

[LionessRacing 670]

On 12/8/2021 at 11:19 PM, phill_nz said:

i see you have problems understanding subtleties like heading towards not being the same as strict adherence to

and i bet without googling you cannot estimate within a ball park how much water it takes to produce a ltr of milk

 

 

Your example is as sensible as socialism.
 

Milk is generally produced by grazing cattle. Their grazing Lands are generally not used in preference to other applications, but because there are no competing applications.  Rainfall on pastures therefore has no opportunity cost. Rather than irrigation required to produce economic quantities of vegan food, the production of milk and grass fed beef uses less water, fuel, chemicals and pollution due to dust. 

[phill_nz 862]

43 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

Your example is as sensible as socialism.
 

Milk is generally produced by grazing cattle. Their grazing Lands are generally not used in preference to other applications, but because there are no competing applications.  Rainfall on pastures therefore has no opportunity cost. Rather than irrigation required to produce economic quantities of vegan food, the production of milk and grass fed beef uses less water, fuel, chemicals and pollution due to dust. 

all very true and logical

unless

cows drink water

 

and socialism makes about as much sense as democracy the difference mostly being  it has a slightly less fuk you component

[LB 15 6,510]

On 12/10/2021 at 10:30 AM, The Dark Knight said:

It sounds like she is in a position where she understands the potential for issues with the mass roll out of a rushed vaccine approval process. We don't know the long term impact of these vaccines because they have only been used for a relatively short period of time. The fact that normal healthy children seem to only be mildly affected by Delta means that there are minimal rewards (for the child) for the unknown risks. 

If your children are not at risk of serious illness because of pre-existing conditions, then why worry about your ex's caution. Even if they are vaccinated, they can catch covid and spread it. 

 

 

 

[LB 15 6,510]

This was taken at Tweed heads this morning a few mins before the border gate was opened.

[ShortForBob 2,940]

7 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

This was taken at Tweed heads this morning a few mins before the border gate was opened.

It's going to be an "interesting" christmas and NY.

Covid explosions from parties, followed by no Banana's,Prawns and Mangoes from Qld

Australia will soon receive a crucial supply of diesel exhaust fluid from Indonesia, as the federal government approaches Middle Eastern nations for help avoiding a crisis that could grind the transport sector to a halt. 

Key points:

• A global shortage of urea, used in diesel engines, has forced Australia to search for new sources of the mineral
• The trucking industry fears it will shut down if new supplies aren't found
• The Trade Minister has asked the sector not to stockpile supplies, which could further strain supply chains

 

Trade Minister Dan Tehan is urging businesses not to stockpile the anti-pollution additive AdBlue, with a global shortage linked to China's grip on the market.  

The transport sector is warning that unless new supply chains are established, diesel trucks across the nation could grind to a halt wreaking havoc on the logistics industry and the economy. 

[darth reapius 280]

[Alhadder 586]

Yeah you're all welcome to come to WA after 5 Feb. Pity it's too late for the Pommie cricketers 

In the meantime I'll be getting my 3rd primary dose sometime this week to prepare myself for when Covid eventually finds it's way down here sometime in mid-late Feb...sigh

[ShortForBob 2,940]

Just now, Alhadder said:

Yeah you're all welcome to come to WA after 5 Feb. Pity it's too late for the Pommie cricketers 

In the meantime I'll be getting my 3rd primary dose sometime this week to prepare myself for when Covid eventually finds it's way down here sometime in mid-late Feb...sigh

I reckon it's a plot to invade The Territory and beyond.

 

[Alhadder 586]

13 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

I reckon it's a plot to invade The Territory and beyond.

 

Went there in August as have many Sandgropers during this year...not atm though as we're closed off to everywhere other than Tassie.

[00seven 417]

56 minutes ago, Alhadder said:

Went there in August as have many Sandgropers during this year...not atm though as we're closed off to everywhere other than Tassie.

Mate of mine is FIFO Alice/Perth. because of the cluster in the Katherine region, he's spending his 2 weeks off in quarantine before heading back to Alice. Alice is about 1400km from Katherine....

[Alhadder 586]

1 hour ago, 00seven said:

Mate of mine is FIFO Alice/Perth. because of the cluster in the Katherine region, he's spending his 2 weeks off in quarantine before heading back to Alice. Alice is about 1400km from Katherine....

Yep some crazy unsensible rules here in West Aussiestan

[Bill E Goat 425]

What is it with the fuckwits, was on the harbour cruise, told to isolate for 7 days and went night clubbing in Newcastle instead

More than 200 cases have been identified in people who attended a superspreading event at a Newcastle’s nightclub. 

NSW Health is investigating whether a person who allegedly breached isolation rules to attend the Argyle House triggered the nightclub cluster.

[ShortForBob 2,940]

2 hours ago, Bill E Goat said:

What is it with the fuckwits, was on the harbour cruise, told to isolate for 7 days and went night clubbing in Newcastle instead

More than 200 cases have been identified in people who attended a superspreading event at a Newcastle’s nightclub. 

NSW Health is investigating whether a person who allegedly breached isolation rules to attend the Argyle House triggered the nightclub cluster.

It's looking like it's going to be a grim New Year. If this new strain is breaking through vaxxine protection, even if fewer people get sick enough to go to hospital, the spread could be unlike anything we've yet experienced here and thus more serious cases.

I'm glad I'm past the age of raging.

[NeedAClew 1,786]

Virus changed. Need third shot or ooopsie

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/12/14/the-latest-on-the-omicron-variant-and-vaccine-protection/

 

[ShortForBob 2,940]

This is going wild.

New lockdowns?

 

 

 

NSW has recorded its highest number of new COVID-19 infections since September 11 with 1,360 new cases.

Authorities confirmed 25 new cases of the COVID-19 Omicron variant, taking the total in the state to 100.

NSW Health has warned that the majority of cases in a rapidly growing outbreak in Newcastle are likely to be the Omicron variant.

Of the 1,360 cases reported, 424 are from Hunter New England Local Health District (LHD).

Premier Dominic Perrottet had been due to front the cameras for a COVID-19 briefing at 9am today with Health Minister Brad Hazzard and Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant.

However, that press conference has since been delayed until 12pm.

[ShortForBob 2,940]

9 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Virus changed. Need third shot or ooopsie

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/12/14/the-latest-on-the-omicron-variant-and-vaccine-protection/

 

OFFS Clew.

If developed countries had tried a little harder to share, we wouldn't be dealing with Omicron now.

It looks like if one is double vaxxed, it won't kill you or make you seriously ill.

Do we really need to protect ourselves from a sniffle and headache?

[Ease the sheet. 2,281]

Omicron is going to fuck us.

 

As for sharing, we don't, never have, never will. It's a fucking pipe dream..

 

[NeedAClew 1,786]

56 minutes ago, ShortForBob said:

OFFS Clew.

If developed countries had tried a little harder to share, we wouldn't be dealing with Omicron now.

It looks like if one is double vaxxed, it won't kill you or make you seriously ill.

Do we really need to protect ourselves from a sniffle and headache?

OGR.  Trying a little harder to share means in practice setting up vaccine logistics supply chains...not just bottles of vax and cold storage and transport, but needles, cotton,alcohol wipes, bandaid, PPE, trained shot givers, getting all, these in place, having recipients willing to get a shot, ensuring they come back for more, etc. 

Share? Build an infrastructure. 

Share works for Aus and NZ, not so much for W Papua and parts of whole continents. Sure blame us.

And be sure YOU don't get any more vax. It's immoral, right? You don't NEED a trip anywhere, or to go out and about in Victoria. Put a sign in your window: no vax till everyone can be vaxxed. Send us a photo. 

[The Dark Knight 1,228]

6 hours ago, ShortForBob said:

OFFS Clew.

If developed countries had tried a little harder to share, we wouldn't be dealing with Omicron now.

 

If China had resisted the temptation to eat bats......

 

If.

 

 

if

 

 

if

 

 

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,233]

6 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

And be sure YOU don't get any more vax. It's immoral, right? You don't NEED a trip anywhere, or to go out and about in Victoria. Put a sign in your window: no vax till everyone can be vaxxed. Send us a photo. 

Meli plans on spending all the money she can supporting 3rd World economies.

That's why she's going to Greece...

FKT

[ShortForBob 2,940]

Bloody Qld.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-16/seq-councils-address-vaccination-restrictions/100701074

Not happy. Yes we provide essential services. Our unvaccinated patrons in Vic, use a click and collect service as they have done all through this. Staff are available to recommend and find materials. From behind a screen.

Unlike food services, library patrons handle books, dvds and thumb through magazines (licking a thumb) and put them back on the trolleys. Library patrons hang around for hours, chatting to staff, sneezing on public computers and desks.

We are not supermarkets where customer service staff have fleeting contacts from behind plexiglass.

 

Contact your local PM or councilor 

While state-owned galleries, art museums and libraries require vaccination, council-owned libraries do not as they are deemed to provide essential services.

[ShortForBob 2,940]

17 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Meli plans on spending all the money she can supporting 3rd World economies.

That's why she's going to Greece...

FKT

And thus supporting my friends and the Greek economy. Provision of social support and healthcare is almost as bad as The USA

[Fah Kiew Tu 3,233]

1 hour ago, ShortForBob said:

And thus supporting my friends and the Greek economy. Provision of social support and healthcare is almost as bad as The USA

Whooosh.....