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Flying Dutchman restorations....what happened to all of them?


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My recent FD, which is in very good shape, requires some serious leak chasing.  I suspect the centerboard trunk only because that is a commonly stressed union.  In light airs there is some serious ingress.  Wet feet, for sure.  We have sailed it only twice due to shutdown issues.   Prior owner, but recent photo--boat is in very good condition.  Had receipts for $4800 in refurbishment.  I suspect they could not trace down that leak.  

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I had just finished restoring this jewel, ALL new everything, and complete assy spin system and pole as on my AC, burned to the ground with my shop in a tragic fire. WILL have another someday!

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On 4/15/2020 at 5:09 PM, ortegakid said:

I had just finished restoring this jewel, ALL new everything, and complete assy spin system and pole as on my AC, burned to the ground with my shop in a tragic fire. WILL have another someday!

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Gosh Damned it all!!!!

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I would love to find someone who has one or knows something about the rigging. I have an old one that hasn't been sailed in years that I am finally trying to put together. I'm sure it's missing some parts, but I also have found a number of blocks (attached to the hull) etc. that I have no idea what they go to. I live north of Atlanta near Lake Lanier. If anyone is close, please contact me. Thanks.

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Speaking of restoring old FD's, there is an interesting black and white video of the first FD world's held in 1959 posted on the "front page" of SA. For those who seem to never look at the front page, here's the link:

 

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On 5/3/2020 at 11:41 AM, Alan Crawford said:

Speaking of restoring old FD's, there is an interesting black and white video of the first FD world's held in 1959 posted on the "front page" of SA. For those who seem to never look at the front page, here's the link:

 

Here is the colour version.

Some interesting spinnaker flying technique without pole.

I have a few boats that need work but considering dragging a 60's woodie Mader  home as I can't bear watching it rot away.

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"Some interesting spinnaker flying technique without pole."

Remember, one of the biggest gripes about the FD was its too small spinnaker, and short spinnaker pole.  Both things John Westell  nailed with the 505!!!  Not sure present rules would allow flying the chute without the pole, but interesting technique.

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Can you imagine one with a 23 sq mtr kite with 10' pole?, had all ready to try, duplicated exactly all the rigging and dimensions of my AC, will do again, FD is perfect for it.

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I am sailing them not for racing, but for blasting around local lakes and once in a while Bay Area.  For that reason, rig alterations on our boat (was two but we just sold one) are for fun, and interesting to do.  While sacrilege to some, it's just a blank canvas for us, and no alteration is permanent.  I would like to learn more about the spinnaker without dedicated poles, because we also have a Wayfarer (well, licensed CL116 build) that would profit in light airs from a spinnaker.  

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On 4/10/2020 at 12:28 PM, trisail said:

Hallo,

There were a number of guys posting about the FD's which they were restoring.

Any more pictures coming up?

Regards.

 

On 4/11/2020 at 7:35 PM, Alan Crawford said:

yes, there were some interesting projects. Suggest bumping the specific threads.

There's my old lady:
 

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2 hours ago, rcbrds said:

I've been working on my rebuild project for two years. I was tempted to post when I first saw this thread, but decided that might curse it in some way. My boat finally hit the water this week.  The full series of pictures are here: 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SpSRpdwvPvLHx4kV8

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Absolutely amazing job! Thanks for sharing

It makes me want to get going on my Fireball!

Is Carbon Fiber class legal though?

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3 hours ago, rcbrds said:

I've been working on my rebuild project for two years. I was tempted to post when I first saw this thread, but decided that might curse it in some way. My boat finally hit the water this week.  The full series of pictures are here: 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SpSRpdwvPvLHx4kV8

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Whatever this is, you should have used carbon fibre.

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21 minutes ago, Schnappi said:

Whatever this is, you should have used carbon fibre.

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Yes, It was a mistake of some sort.  The table saw kicked back, I was on the side pushing the piece in. When it kicked back, my body or arm initially absorbed the force and then I think compensated and my arm and hand went forward at the blade. I still have all my fingers, but my right index did get a severe cut, maybe 7/8 through. If I had made the piece out of carbon, it wouldn't have been a problem. Lesson learned.

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1 hour ago, Admiral Hornblower said:

Absolutely amazing job! Thanks for sharing

It makes me want to get going on my Fireball!

Is Carbon Fiber class legal though?

Yes, all the modern boats are some or most or all carbon. I have read the rules pretty carefully. 

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4 hours ago, rcbrds said:

I've been working on my rebuild project for two years. I was tempted to post when I first saw this thread, but decided that might curse it in some way. My boat finally hit the water this week.  The full series of pictures are here: 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SpSRpdwvPvLHx4kV8

 

What a great restoration! 

Goes to show that with desire and time (and a little money thrown in :)) many "basket cases" can be brought back to life!

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3 hours ago, trisail said:

Thanks for the link / pictures. Please tell us a bit about the job.

There are comments on most pictures about what is going on at each step.  But overall, I got into this thinking that I might get a free Mader with a trailer and lots of sails, harken bullets and cams and all I need to do is vacuum out the leaves, replace some decking and maybe a bit of the forward double bottom which I noticed was buckled.

The boat was more likely a Bianchi, which is still fine but then I found the balsa core was rotten and very heavy. From there things just escalated with feature creep.  I had a lot of time to ponder FD design and all the unusual features they have and the rich Olympic history. I think I read all the old trapeze issues.  My boat has some features that may or may not have been done.  The keel stepped mast is an effort to get everything back farther when the mast is raked but still meet the rules. The Bianchi rocker line is a bit less straight in the tail then the other modern boats and I added some to that, still within the keel line rules, looking carefully at Rodney Pattison's second olympic boat data that was published.  I also added the double pivot centerboard which keeps the board sections aligned with flow while retracting.  Some of these things I'm pretty sure are good.  The big question is if the keel line is going to be fast or not. The other problem is my former cat like reflexes have been laden down like concrete with age. Sailing with my wife during this covid time, maneuvers are completed on glacial time scale. We may stick to portsmouth racing with the other FJs, c15s, whalers, lidos etc. 

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My wooden FD, above, is becoming a project, as perhaps all of them (and we) become.  Bad retrofitted deck hatches open up into a spider web of broken supports and carlins.  All hidden under deck and out of sight, which I luckily noticed from the deck flexing while stepping the mast.  Fix won't be too bad--if I can get the boat on its side for two days.  Easier to say than do however, I don't have much help.  I will install 9mm knees under deck and then lay some triaxal on the underside of the deck.  But even simple repairs take time, which I don't have.  

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