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On 5/2/2021 at 9:25 AM, jack_sparrow said:

Then there are those that don't don't provide any Covid content and go there for other reasons, one in particular along with a handful of 'toadies' comes to mind. In fact I now use a  new name exclusively used on Covid threads to reduce the trolling a bit. 

In fact @Wess just now did exactly that HERE on Swedish Covid  (& ended up looking like a dill).

 

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2 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

This one the OP of this thread with never a complaint here in over a year but now gone toade (spelling by snags)

 

On 4/30/2021 at 9:06 PM, AJ Oliver said:

The only thing more pathetic than a bully is a bully's enabler sidekick. 

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Just because I heard someone say 'Whichever way you look at Sweden have successfully managed the pandemic'

Right up there with the prime example, the leader of the free world...

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4 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

Only open if you take notice of someone with no content bursting onto this thread looking for more toadies to back their bullshit as their supply of toadies is dwindling.

This one the OP of this thread with never a complaint here in over a year but now gone toade (spelling by snags)

 

 

I love it when you quote yourself. It’s so cute. It’s a good thing you live in a basement given you are so scared. 

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30 minutes ago, Wess said:

I love it when you quote yourself. It’s so cute. 

 It’s a good thing you live in a basement given you are so scared. 

I love it Wess how you didn't use this one quoting you.

The one replied to showing far from scared.

You have your own thread to troll me so go there with your shit and stop polluting here.

And toadies live in basements

4 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:
On 5/2/2021 at 9:25 AM, jack_sparrow said:

Then there are those that don't don't provide any Covid content and go there for other reasons, one in particular along with a handful of 'toadies' comes to mind. In fact I now use a  new name exclusively used on Covid threads to reduce the trolling a bit. 

In fact @Wess just now did exactly that HERE on Swedish Covid  (& ended up looking like a dill).

 

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32 minutes ago, Matagi said:

Just because I heard someone say 'Whichever way you look at Sweden have successfully managed the pandemic'

Right up there with the prime example, the leader of the free world...

And setting a cracking pace in Europe, still won't accept it is an airborne disease and at aerosol size.

This while having one of lowest population densities in Europe, a fifth of its neighbour Denmark.

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And just for Kate who refuses to accept that former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke has admitted making endless wrong predictions. Here he is on DN News

He even thinks Sweden now needs a state chief physician attached to the Govt diminishing the power of the state epidemiologist.

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/coronaviruset/giesecke-darfor-spreds-smittan-snabbare-i-sverige/

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19 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

Then there are those that don't don't provide any Covid content and go there for other reasons, one in particular along with a handful of 'toadies' comes to mind. In fact I now use a  new name exclusively used on Covid threads to reduce the trolling a bit. 

Completely batshit crazy. How is the reduced trolling bit going for you Jack? 

Did you buy a second screen to run two sock puppets?

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On 5/7/2021 at 7:30 PM, Kate short for Bob said:

Powder dry Wacko Jacko!  Just keep digging!  

So One-EyedLyingKate you have now reverted to the same robotic responses on multiple threads.

Thats a sure sign you have drowned in your own shit, which ironically came from here.

 

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Tegnell a year ago where his views remain much the same today.

A year ago Tegnell wasn't really honest about the strategy. “We have to find long-term solutions that keep the distribution of infections at a decent level". Always words of authority and relying upon no one checking or challenging him a feature back then.

However a year on there is no where to hide.

Today another bullshitter in a long line of bullshitters.

Late April 2020 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01098-x

 

1. Close down, lockdown, closing borders — nothing has a historical scientific basis, in my view.

WRONG 

Public health interventions and epidemic intensity during the 1918 influenza pandemic

Nonpharmaceutical interventions implemented by US cities during the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic

2. Tegnell said when asked if his response risks lives:

“There has been an increase, but it is not traumatic so far.”

WRONG and still keeps to that line today.

Today it is like the Nordic 5 does't exist PLUS Sweden needed their spare health care capacity having far less cases/deaths. Excess deaths the difference even more stark. Luck that Sweden and many countries have enjoyed is also forgotten today. It could be far worse. 

Using countries that have completely stuffed it as a benchmark is not a benchmark, particularly if those that have done better are ignored. 

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3. Tegnell said: “..we will see a lot more cases in the next few weeks, with more people in ICUs, but that is just like any other country. Nowhere in Europe has been able to slow down the spread considerably.”

WRONG

A repeat a year later

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4. Tegnell says: “There is a possibility that asymptomatics might be contagious, and some recent studies indicate that".

April 6 2020 WHO was one of the latest saying they are contagious - millions of examples since to prove it.

 AT THIS POINT YOU WANT TO CALL THE POLICE

5. Tegnell says: “Each country has to reach herd immunity in one way or another, and we are going to reach it in a different way.”

It didn't workout that way with spread slower than expected with lower IFR which saved Swedens arse. 

BORDERING ON ANTI-VAXER 

The Swedes need to change their Constitution and strip the power the State Epidemiologist has before he or his replacement kills them next time around.

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9 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

No research from anywhere other than the USA?  Where do the papers mention border closures?

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9 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

2. Tegnell said when asked if his response risks lives:

“There has been an increase, but it is not traumatic so far.”

WRONG and still keeps to that line today.

Today it is like the Nordic 5 does't exist PLUS Sweden needed their spare health care capacity having far less cases/deaths. Excess deaths the difference even more stark. Luck that Sweden and many countries have enjoyed is also forgotten today. It could be far worse. 

Using countries that have completely stuffed it as a benchmark is not a benchmark, particularly if those that have done better are ignored. 

 

So you are now dropping Excess Deaths as the "Gold Standard" metric?

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10 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

5. Tegnell says: “Each country has to reach herd immunity in one way or another, and we are going to reach it in a different way.”

It didn't workout that way with spread slower than expected with lower IFR which saved Swedens arse. 

 

Jacko this takes the cake!!  So Sweden was "SAVED by a lower IFR"!!!!  For a start the IFR isn't a measure of the rate of transmission.  It is a measure of the the number of fatalities (F) per (R) number of infections (I).

After literally thousands upon thousands of pontificating posts over the last 18 months we all would have thought that you would understand that by now.

The Rwas initially over estimated.  It was assumed that the rate of infection in the population was greater than it actually was i.e. the virus was more infectious than it has actually proven to be.  That knowledge wouldn't have changed the pandemic management plan except if herd immunity was in fact the primary goal which in Sweden it wasn't.

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11 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

Using countries that have completely stuffed it as a benchmark is not a benchmark, particularly if those that have done better are ignored. 

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Professor Wacko Jacko (SA identities @jack_sparrow AND @Plan Covid Normal) of the University of Hermitville, Big Red Rock, Southern Ocean did you apply your extensive epidemiological expertise to determining a multi-variate analysis of why the countries above might have different outcomes?  Or are you just looking for a correlation to support you cause?

For example according to the Ourworldindata stringency data there was no difference in NPI measures between the Nordic countries you have selected.

Average Stringency Index:
Denmark 57
Finland    43
Norway   51
Sweden  55

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12 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

Jacko only clipped a small piece of what Tegnell said.  I guess only quoting US data would suggest that Jacko had trouble finding any European data as well as Tegnell.

What evidence was this approach based on?

It is difficult to talk about the scientific basis of a strategy with these types of disease, because we do not know much about it and we are learning as we are doing, day by day. Closedown, lockdown, closing borders — nothing has a historical scientific basis, in my view. We have looked at a number of European Union countries to see whether they have published any analysis of the effects of these measures before they were started and we saw almost none.

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On 2/26/2021 at 9:13 PM, Kate short for Bob said:

You are a bit thick really Jacko.  Haven't you read the critique of how the stringency measure is calculated?  It is actually a load of bollocks.  But that doesn't stop you pushing pseudo science.

Ksfb, 26 February.

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13 minutes ago, Matagi said:

Ksfb, 26 February.

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I didn't say I agreed with it in my most recent reference to it.  However it does highlight that there isn't an effective measure.  You and Jacko do tend to cherry picking.

You only have to look at the graph for India to see that the stringency measure is a load of subjective bollocks.

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20 minutes ago, Matagi said:

Sure...

Once caught, you retreat faster than the French Fifth Army.

And if you think there are any cherries left in what you 'drop'... think again.

I never retreat from a troll.  Have the Germans won a war yet?

I notice you haven't made a comment on the substance of the post.  But I realise that is probably a struggle for you.

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15 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

I notice you haven't made a comment on the substance of the post. 

Ok, here it comes, you ready?

Tl;dr: There was none.

To make a point you used data to that you had rejected not that long ago. The use of your evidence for your argument is incoherent and thus your argument does not stand.

If that is trolling for you, you need a much thicker skin.

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20 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

For example according to the Ourworldindata stringency data there was no difference in NPI measures between the Nordic countries you have selected.

Average Stringency Index:
Denmark 57
Finland    43
Norway   51
Sweden  55

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Yet you keep banging on about Swedens lack of stringency incl no mask wearing ignoring your graph shows Sweden since the 1st wave having the highest stringency combined with the highest cases & deaths.

Ha ha

Then goes up a notch

13 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:
13 hours ago, Matagi said:

Ksfb, 26 February.

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I didn't say I agreed with it in my most recent reference to it

 

13 hours ago, Matagi said:

Sure...

Once caught, you retreat faster than the French Fifth Army.

That was because his gun has shit for bullets so did the next best thing and retreated.

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To then revert to, I'm not a troll (crowd die laughing)

12 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

I never retreat from a troll.  Have the Germans won a war yet?

to load up with Godwin's Law.

It doesn't get better than this for entertainment.

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7 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

33 on mortality list.  

By my count, 23 countries/areas in Europe, did worse.

I think the data is in team, lockdowns have no impact on anything.

Just in the EU/EAA there is 30 odd countries where Sweden had more excess deaths than over one third of them incl Germany and France having up to 5 times the population density.

They are also western European transport hubs internally & externally, not stuck up close to the Arctic circle pff the beaten track with the Nordic 4 with same pop density and LOWER stringency BUT did far better.

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BTW for stringency V Cases/Mortality you can always phone a friend who has now retreated to Godwin's Law.

32 minutes ago, Plan Covid Normal said:
20 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

For example according to the Ourworldindata stringency data there was no difference in NPI measures between the Nordic countries you have selected.

Average Stringency Index:
Denmark 57
Finland    43
Norway   51
Sweden  55

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Yet you keep banging on about Swedens lack of stringency incl no mask wearing ignoring your graph shows Sweden since the 1st wave having the highest NPI's combined with cases & deaths.

Ha ha

 

As for "team", you two should be placed in a travelling exhibition post Covid until circuses get back on their feet.

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13 hours ago, Matagi said:

To make a point you used data to that you had rejected not that long ago. The use of your evidence for your argument is incoherent and thus your argument does not stand.

I still reject the Stringency Index as a measure for the reasons I posted some time ago.  However when it doesn't support YOUR argument anymore you scurry around confused.

I take it you now agree with me that the Stringency Index is a crock of shit.

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You really are struggling with Swedens success aren't you @Plan Covid Normal aka @jack_sparrow.

Interesting that the best you can come up with is a cumulative case number graph.  Typical one factor analysis from Jacko.

Would you like to plot hospitalisations and deaths against those case numbers?  No that would be too difficult.

As for your bullshit description of the Nordic countries that takes the cake.

2 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

not stuck up close to the Arctic circle pff the beaten track with the Nordic 4 with same pop density and LOWER stringency BUT did far better.

When was the last time you travelled Jacko?

Which of the Nordic countries has the highest number of internal/external people movements by a significant margin? Hint:  for one factor one country has 40 million the next 30 million.

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14 hours ago, Matagi said:

To make a point you used data to that you had rejected not that long ago. The use of your evidence for your argument is incoherent and thus your argument does not stand.

NO I used YOUR data to prove YOU were wrong.  You can't have it both ways Matagi.

Doesn't change the fact that the Stringency Index data is crap for the very reasons I posted months ago.

However it would appear that you don't even think it can be used for comparative purposes amongs similar countries.  

That's the biggest problem with being unable the grasp the concept of multivariate analysis.

@Matagi and @jack_sparrow what level of Covid-19 deaths is a measure of success? 

At least Sweden didn't torture and harm their young children by banning them from attending school.

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3 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

Just in the EU/EAA there is 30 odd countries where Sweden had more excess deaths than over one third of them incl Germany and France having up to 5 times the population density.

They are also western European transport hubs internally & externally, not stuck up close to the Arctic circle pff the beaten track with the Nordic 4 with same pop density and LOWER stringency BUT did far better.

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BTW for stringency V Cases/Mortality you can always phone a friend who has now retreated to Godwin's Law.

 

As for "team", you two should be placed in a travelling exhibition post Covid until circuses get back on their feet.

Posted at 330am. Having trouble sleeping again Petal?

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5 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

LB instead of trolling here shouldn't you (& @The Dark Knightyour toade likey) be elsewhere?

https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/221747-it’s-been-a-long-week-for-someone/&do=findComment&comment=7536288

Seems its getting warmer there

I started this thread, I have Swedish citizenship. Whats your connection aside from your cronic addiction to wanking to Swedish blue movies? 

You wouldn't have a fucking clue about the Swedish medical system, society or mentality if I hadn't given you that info at the start of this. Fuck off to what you know from first hand experience, whatever that may be.

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15 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

I started this thread, I have Swedish citizenship. Whats your connection aside from your cronic addiction to wanking to Swedish blue movies? 

You wouldn't have a fucking clue about the Swedish medical system, society or mentality if I hadn't given you that info at the start of this. Fuck off to what you know from first hand experience, whatever that may be.

Hoppy I WON'T be replying to that HERE...

...BUT will get around to it down the COVID threads hallway, a place where you strangely give KSFB likeys & support, BUT very strangely NO likeys for KSFB HERE, but what he deserves.

My reply will include HOW long you lived in Sweden re your new citizenship claim & connotation, your wife a nurse and noting your reply just now here is only a RECENT thing HERE, NOT since March last YEAR the beginning of this thread.

Cheers

PS. If "first hand experience" is your criteria for posting, then that excludes you from many, many SA threads including this one for the most part.

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5 hours ago, Plan Covid Normal said:

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That's a hell of a way to prime the Flick-o-matic™.

I'd call you a fool but even that is wasted on an idiot sock like you.

 

Fuck off already.

 

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Lets do that in reverse shall we Grog

2 hours ago, Grog said:

Fuck off already.

Just a recollection so could well be wrong

Never seen you here before

So you were just strolling on the way to PA

Never seen you on a thread I have been on as PCN, and you visa versa, noting I don't post outside Covid threads hence the name.

Certainly not on PA, which I see you fancy.

As we haven't crossed paths a quick summary.

A name if it suggests I am any way aligned to views of the 'let it rip' KSFB, Blatant etc you are very wrong. If you had read upthread in line with Mat's also from Germany like you.

An advocate of border openings but very controlled and probably more controlled compared to your position from what I have quickly read, inter the EU27 different for economic reasons and think Brussels idea to keep non EU27 out pretty smart, but don't know happened and if they buckled to tourism states like Portugal etc.

2 hours ago, Grog said:

I'd call you a fool but even that is wasted on an idiot sock like you.

A sock created that he and sock handler JS outed HIMSELF straightaway. A fact that you appear to be the only one on SA that doesn't know that. If you do know that then why this Flick-o-matic™ bit? 

2 hours ago, Grog said:

That's a hell of a way to prime the Flick-o-matic™.

So with above in mind that lines me up for a perma-flick does it. Really.

The handler is very experienced with holidays and perma-flicks.

SoiIf you want to have a bleat don't do it here but in a place you will love, you may already be there but haven't sighted you. A sample buried in HERE of the Flick-o-matic™ kind.

"...run crying to Scooter 3 TIMES. The last one didn't work out too well for you did it".

So after putting the effort in there, I will indulge myself and close with your close to close the circle and you have a nice day Grog.

2 hours ago, Grog said:

Fuck off already.

 

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2 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

LOL "Straightaway"!  Bullshit!  You made a feeble attempt to post in broken English and then when LB and I called you out only then did you admit it!

 

Didn't take you long KSFB to to swallow that bit of bait hook line and sinker.

Then you do make me laugh.

"when LB and I called you out"

Really

I first posted and got around 20 REPLIES from YOU (I was really laughing at every one I can tell you), LB ALSO posted but took 4 days to cotton on....

"You made a feeble attempt to post in broken English"

.....then Hoppy (who is a Swedish Citizen so must have thought my Swedish bits in 20 odd posts was OK) finally got it from LB,

BUT you KEPT going, made a couple more replies before you finally got it.

You should be a detective mate.

And this didn't age well in 4 hours today...ha ha.

6 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

The most polite and informative reply to me you have made KSFB??

Is there a change in the air? 

You really delivered up to me a very memorable day KSFB.

Lets do it again tomorrow?

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