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On 9/15/2020 at 10:27 AM, jocal505 said:
On 9/15/2020 at 8:14 AM, Cacoethesic Tom said:

Because not doing so would reduce the number of unfortunate boating accidents.

Winning ^^^?

Not in lawful use at the time = you lose...with serious consequences. 

How did "common use" become "lawful use" here?

Not that it matters. We have millions of unlawful gun owners. Anyone who uses cannabis, whether legal under state law or not, can not be a legal gun owner. The ATF has been explicit and clear on this point.

That's why I've taken to using the phrase "peaceful gun owners" instead of law-abiding ones. It covers the vast majority of cannabis using gun owners, none of whom are lawful gun owners.

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I spent some time earlier this year in the US (there is a thread about it).   For the Americans reading this thread, a helpful piece of advice is to stop thinking of Canadians as the same as Amer

What we are trying to do is create a public mindset that these things are just unacceptable, completely.  I think that the mindset is just as important as the actual legislation. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-gun-control-measures-ban-1.5552131 After last weeks mass shooting in Nova Scotia, Trudeau has lived up to his promise (and one of the key reasons why I vo

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13 hours ago, Cacoethesic Tom said:

How did "common use" become "lawful use" here?

Not that it matters. We have millions of unlawful gun owners. Anyone who uses cannabis, whether legal under state law or not, can not be a legal gun owner. The ATF has been explicit and clear on this point.

That's why I've taken to using the phrase "peaceful gun owners" instead of law-abiding ones. It covers the vast majority of cannabis using gun owners, none of whom are lawful gun owners.

You take many (loud) victory laps, featuring boating accidents. Dogballs. Each boating accident signals a legal failure, and an uncertain future for a family.

The NY SAFE Act was not a victory or defeat over seven round limits. It was the last straw for AW's in a key court district.

Tell us more about Highland Park.

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1 hour ago, Keith said:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/19/rochester-shooting-kills-2-injures-14-more/

"Rochester shooting: 2 teens dead, 14 others injured in ‘tragedy of epic proportions’"

"The two who died were recent high school grads Jaquayla Young and state track champion Jarvis Alexander, both 19, the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle reported. Neither was an intended shooting target, authorities said."

 

So yes, your American gun culture just keeps killing people.

How sad.

 


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Five people have been found dead and another with serious injuries following an early morning shooting in a home east of Toronto on Friday.

So yes, your Canadian gun culture just keeps killing people.

I continue to wonder why you're waiting two years to begin taking away guns?

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4 hours ago, Keith said:

If your country had reasonable serious federal firearms regulations, you might have a point, but your country doesn't have reasonable federal regulations, so it encourages everyone and anyone with half a brain to go get some guns, yall know just encase yall need to shoot back at all the other half brains packing firearms...


This is why I keep asking about the delay in confiscating (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) in the grate white north.

Seems unreasonable and irresponsible to continue to expose yourselves to the dangers of these weapons of war for an extra minute, let alone two extra years.

 

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6 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:


This is why I keep asking about the delay in confiscating (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) in the grate white north.

Seems unreasonable and irresponsible to continue to expose yourselves to the dangers of these weapons of war for an extra minute, let alone two extra years.

 

So unknowledgeable.

Canada has reasonable serious federal firearms regulations.

You forgot the picture of your average American gun nuts.

Good luck down there.

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5 hours ago, Keith said:

Canada has reasonable serious federal firearms regulations.

Nah, you're way too lenient with troublemakers. In addition to waiting a couple of years to begin the needed taking of (assault weapons, ordinary .22's), you're contemplating paying for them.

This is silly! You're paying the very people who are endangering you?

Down here, we understand that all gun owners are responsible for the tiny minority who commit crimes. Gun ownership is viewed as a public nuisance down here, which is why our confiscation programs in various states offer no payment to miscreants who dare to own quotidian .22's.

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5 hours ago, Keith said:

Sorry to break it to you, but hardcore gun crazies never see both sides of the story, they only see what Tomo sees, gun grabbers, everywhere.


This is funnier in a thread devoted to cheering for Trudeau's gun grabbing program.

 

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6 hours ago, jocal505 said:

 

gun control shaming ^^^   :rolleyes:

yet canada has fewer dead kids, and legal dogballs a-plenty @Quotidian Tom

 

Shaming? Why would anyone be ashamed of taking away (assault weapons, ordinary .22's), especially in a thread devoted to cheering such policies?

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15 minutes ago, Quotidian Tom said:

Shaming? Why would anyone be ashamed of taking away (assault weapons, ordinary .22's), especially in a thread devoted to cheering such policies?

if the hat fits, Ziggy wants you to wear it.  (Wherever, either Canada or the USA). But the hat reads "we like the dead kids."

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On 5/1/2020 at 10:26 AM, Foolish said:

Trudeau has lived up to his promise (and one of the key reasons why I voted for him) and banned assault rifles. 

What was the guys Punishment?
10 / 20 years and then get out.

Why don't they ban Assault Humans by having the Death Sentence for committing any crime with a fire arm?

Yea, hold up coinvent store with a gun and you DIE MotherFucker.

To many people doing bad things, many are repeat offenders too, are not eliminated from society. It's time to purge Evil from our society.

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On 10/10/2020 at 10:14 AM, Meat Wad said:

Why don't they ban Assault Humans by having the Death Sentence for committing any crime with a fire arm?

It has been proven over and over again that the death sentence is not a deterrent to crime.  It's like spanking your child and while you are screaming "don't hit your brother!"  Any society that approves of violence against it's citizens if destined to face violence from it's citizens.  Just look at the US, where they have both the highest rate of capital punishment and the highest rate of murder.  It just doesn't work.  Nothing more than a bone thrown to the citizens.  Think back to the crowds that watched beheadings in France.  Just entertainment.

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8 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

How many gunz are in that place?

On 10/19/2020 at 12:50 PM, SloopJonB said:

What's your best estimate of the number of guns in that house?


So very concerned about how many guns people in other countries possess but no matching concern over Trudeau's reckless decision to let Canucks continue to possess (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) for a couple of more years. Odd.

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On 10/10/2020 at 1:01 PM, Keith said:

So unknowledgeable.

Canada has reasonable serious federal firearms regulations.

You forgot the picture of your average American gun nuts.

Good luck down there.

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How fucking stupid does that pair look?

I mean for fucks sake, tough?   I don't think so TIm.

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lets see in the USA it's harder to adopt a pet , get a drivers license . register to vote, learn how to SCUBA dive Then it is to get a weapon which sole purpose is to kill.

I left Vietnam and never  pick up a weapon again!

Like I've said before only 2 types of people own guns cowards or killers!

 

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3 hours ago, Keith said:

Here's your gun culture.

 

https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Minneapolis-violence-surges-as-police-officers-15724768.php

"MINNEAPOLIS - The sound of gunfire has become so familiar across North Minneapolis that Cathy Spann worries she has grown numb to it.

Day and night the bullets zip through this predominantly Black neighborhood, hitting cars and homes and people. The scores of victims have included a 7-year-old boy, wounded in a drive-by shooting; a woman who took a bullet that came through her living room wall while she was watching television with her family; and a 17-year-old girl shot in the head and killed.

Spann, a longtime community activist who works for the Jordan Area Community Council, cannot recall another time when things were this bad - not even when the city was branded "Murderapolis," during a spike in violence in the mid-1990s.
The police are not as much a presence as they used to be, Spann said, noting that sometimes when neighbors call 911, officers are delayed in responding or don't come at all.
 
"If you want to talk about pandemics, we're dealing with a pandemic of violence," Spann said on a recent afternoon, just as word came of two more nearby shootings. "We're under siege. You wake up and go to bed in fear, because you don't know what's going to happen next. . . . And our city has failed to protect us."
 
Nearly six months after George Floyd's death here sparked massive protests and left a wide swath of the city burned and destroyed, Minneapolis is grappling with dueling crises: an unprecedented wave of violence and droves of officer departures that the Minneapolis Police Department warns could soon leave the force unable to respond to emergencies.
 
Homicides in Minneapolis are up 50%, with nearly 75 people killed across the city so far this year. More than 500 people have been shot, the highest number in more than a decade and twice as many as in 2019. And there have been more than 4,600 violent crimes - including hundreds of carjackings and robberies - a five-year high."
 

The problems will go away once they defund and disband the police. Or something.

Meanwhile, up in your gun culture, why are Canucks so attached to their precious (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) that they get to keep them for a couple more years? If they're so dangerous, they should be taken without delay.

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5 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

The problems will go away once they defund and disband the police. Or something.

Meanwhile, up in your gun culture, why are Canucks so attached to their precious (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) that they get to keep them for a couple more years? If they're so dangerous, they should be taken without delay.

SINCE SEPT. 9, 2016: assault weapons, as ordinary .22's. Good stuff, and plenty of it.

 

Tom is in left field, NTTAWWT... many great players have held the position.

But some day, this guy Tom needs to learn to face home plate.

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11 hours ago, jocal505 said:

SINCE SEPT. 9, 2016: assault weapons, as ordinary .22's

Joe, your sainted (D) types declared it in 1991, and have repeated it in plenty of new bills over the years showing that it wasn't done by accident.

Not that you read any of the bills.

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19 hours ago, jocal505 said:

SINCE SEPT. 9, 2016: assault weapons, as ordinary .22's.

Well, no, we're talking about Canada here and as far as I know they haven't banned ordinary .22's prior to Trudeau's action that started this thread.

They have now. What of it? Do you think they made some kind of mistake? Went too far? Forgot to include enough ordinary .22's? Or what?

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6 minutes ago, Quotidian Tom said:

Well, no, we're talking about Canada here and as far as I know they haven't banned ordinary .22's prior to Trudeau's action that started this thread.

They have now. What of it? Do you think they made some kind of mistake? Went too far? Forgot to include enough ordinary .22's? Or what?

O Canada?

You took yourself out four years ago, with dogballs. There was no international thunder or merit involved.

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What of it? Do you think they made some kind of mistake? Went too far?

I don't give a shit about your bunker situation. You are hiding under the non-issue of banned plinkers... and I am pleased by this. At least your race-baiting is under control now.

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On 11/25/2020 at 11:58 PM, Keith said:

Well, let's never forget, in America, it's always ok to shoot people, it's just their culture. 


Let's also never forget that, in Canada, it's always OK to shoot people for the next two years, while people are still allowed to keep their (assault weapons, ordinary .22's).

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8 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:


Let's also never forget that, in Canada, it's always OK to shoot people for the next two years, while people are still allowed to keep their (assault weapons, ordinary .22's).

I'm still waiting for kieth to answer my question if he really believes that statement or if it's just hyperbole to make a point.  I wonder why he won't answer it?  There's nothing wrong with admitting it was just sensationalist hysteria.  It happens often here.

BTW Tom - why do you care what canuckistan does wrt to their weapons laws?  Their country, their rules.  It's not our place to judge them.  I just wish all the furiners here would reciprocate that same sentiment.  

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15 hours ago, Burning Man said:

BTW Tom - why do you care what canuckistan does wrt to their weapons laws?  Their country, their rules.  It's not our place to judge them.  I just wish all the furiners here would reciprocate that same sentiment.  

I'm reciprocating to set an example.

10 hours ago, Zonker said:

Alas, most of our illegal guns come from the US.

Tariffs on our products like aluminum on the basis of "US national security" hurts our economy. So yeah, we judge you because it affects us so much.

 

Where do your legal guns come from?

Tariffs on our imports hurt us, but that's another thread.

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4 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

I'm reciprocating to set an example.

You are showing global awareness, of sorts. And it is very hard to call your bit winning.
The writing on the wall is that guns are losing favor on the North American continent.

And now, the violence index in the USA is reflecting yuge increases in armed violence. It is remarkable. The pattern began with Trayvon Martin, and stalled, then took off.

 

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1 hour ago, Zonker said:

I was talking about illegal guns, not legally imported one

Maybe you need a big, stupid wall. Whatever it takes. I still don't believe people who own (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) here in the states are responsible for criminals' actions in our country or yours. Criminals are.

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No wall needed. Don't worry, the influence of our socialist medicine, gun confiscations and leaders with really good hair will continue to spread its way south. You can keep your guns, but not forever....

Sleep tight.

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4 minutes ago, Zonker said:

No wall needed. Don't worry, the influence of our socialist medicine, gun confiscations and leaders with really good hair will continue to spread its way south. You can keep your guns, but not forever....

Sleep tight.

Don't worry about creeping Communism, we know where you live and we will be good to you.

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4 hours ago, Zonker said:

No wall needed. Don't worry, the influence of our socialist medicine, gun confiscations and leaders with really good hair will continue to spread its way south. You can keep your guns, but not forever.... 

Sleep tight.

It's weird to me that Canadians are so threatened by owners of (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) that they have to take them away, but not threatened enough to do it immediately. It's almost like you know that we're not really responsible for the behavior of criminals and that knowledge is causing the delay.

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7 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

It's weird to me that Canadians are so threatened by owners of (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) that they have to take them away, but not threatened enough to do it immediately. It's almost like you know that we're not really responsible for the behavior of criminals and that knowledge is causing the delay.

It's weird to us that Americans seem to want spread your home grown terror to your neighbour. 

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On 11/29/2020 at 12:01 PM, Ishmael said:

People like Tom aren't happy unless everyone is armed to the teeth.

Fine, but let people like Tom be held accountable, for the results of being armed to the teeth.

Let's not let these clowns prevent or juke the resulting data. 

 

Florida has refused to participate in the Uniform Crime Reporting system since 2016. Alabama, the same.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Keith said:

Maybe it's well past time that America took some lessons from other cultures, and attempted to move on from being the "wild wild west" and into the 2020s.

By all means, educate us! If we follow your lead and have a confiscation program for (assault weapons, ordinary .22's), would it be a good idea to just wait a couple of years before actually taking any guns, or should the taking commence sooner?

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12 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

You're not afraid of ordinary .22's either?

They're referred to as sheepballs down there!

That level of obsession is extremely weird. Tom, get help.

Take it back to Cruising Anarchy again.

4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:
5 hours ago, Ishmael said:

That level of obsession is extremely weird. Tom, get help.

I'm pretty sure he has (assault weapons/ordinary .22's) programmed on a PF key.

You too, or at least take made up gossip about me to Tom Ray Anarchy.

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20 hours ago, Keith said:

I would think a gun nut like you would prefer dynamite for fishing, you'll never hit a fast-moving fish with a .22

But, hey you would know that anyway, right?


Do people even use grenades to self murderize themselves?

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22 minutes ago, Pedagogical Tom said:

Wow, they must have a terrible crime rate as a result, right?

I'm only concerned about people in power who say they want to take our guns and who propose doing it in legislation and constitutional amendments, as is the case in our state. If they'd stop proposing it, I'd stop being concerned about the proposals. But they won't, so...

And that is the main problem with politics in the USA.  All the important issues (health care, wealth inequality, climate change, loss of jobs overseas and to automation) are ignored while people focus on their right to own guns or not.   YCMTSU.


Hey, at least we don't mix and match stats, like your comparison of US "gun deaths" including suicides, which make up 2/3 of them, with Canadian violent crimes, conveniently leaving out the suicides. That's the level of honesty I have come to expect from grabbers and why I don't trust them. TCADMSU.

But since you're in a teaching mood, why are you waiting two years to take (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) from all those dangerous Canucks who own such terrible weapons? Should we try to get around to the taking part faster, or is delay OK?

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4 hours ago, Pedagogical Tom said:


Hey, at least we don't mix and match stats, like your comparison of US "gun deaths" including suicides, which make up 2/3 of them, with Canadian violent crimes, conveniently leaving out the suicides. That's the level of honesty I have come to expect from grabbers and why I don't trust them. TCADMSU.

But since you're in a teaching mood, why are you waiting two years to take (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) from all those dangerous Canucks who own such terrible weapons? Should we try to get around to the taking part faster, or is delay OK?

See, the thing about Canada is, we don't waste time on stupid issues like this.  We have a few whackos to whom gun ownership is the most important thing in their lives, but luckily they are few and far between.  Every now and again it will surface in the news, but day to day it just isn't something we focus on.

If the feds have decided to wait a couple of years to give people notice, so be it.  It just isn't important here. 

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10 hours ago, Rain Man said:

See, the thing about Canada is, we don't waste time on stupid issues like this.  We have a few whackos to whom gun ownership is the most important thing in their lives, but luckily they are few and far between.  Every now and again it will surface in the news, but day to day it just isn't something we focus on.

If the feds have decided to wait a couple of years to give people notice, so be it.  It just isn't important here. 

Pointless trying to explain that to Pathological Tom. Does not compute in his universe.

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On 1/30/2021 at 1:15 AM, Rain Man said:

See, the thing about Canada is, we don't waste time on stupid issues like this.  We have a few whackos to whom gun ownership is the most important thing in their lives, but luckily they are few and far between.  Every now and again it will surface in the news, but day to day it just isn't something we focus on.

If the feds have decided to wait a couple of years to give people notice, so be it.  It just isn't important here. 

This thread seems to indicate it's pretty important, as does the inability of people like Ish and Sloopy to follow my example and leave the gun politics out of Cruising Anarchy.

On 5/7/2020 at 1:38 AM, Rain Man said:

Well, you folks are doing something wrong.  In 2017, in the USA, there were 39,773 gun deaths.  In Canada in the same year, there were 266.  Your population is 10 times ours, so if you were doing things our way, you would have only had 2660 deaths.  Your way caused an additional 37,113 deaths.  

But, hey, you do you.

 


And excluding Canadian suicides while counting US ones is still dishonest, not to mention heartless, since you now say they are just not important.

Sorry I didn't get back to this yesterday. Other issues seemed more important to me.

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8 hours ago, Pedagogical Tom said:

This thread seems to indicate it's pretty important, as does the inability of people like Ish and Sloopy to follow my example and leave the gun politics out of Cruising Anarchy.


And excluding Canadian suicides while counting US ones is still dishonest, not to mention heartless, since you now say they are just not important.

Sorry I didn't get back to this yesterday. Other issues seemed more important to me.

You're right, I forgot to correct this.  Here is the corrected statement using an estimate of 1000 gun suicides in 2017 based on the statement that approximately 25% of Canadian suicides are gun-related:

Well, you folks are doing something wrong.  In 2017, in the USA, there were 39,773 gun deaths.  In Canada in the same year, there were 1266.  Your population is 10 times ours, so if you were doing things our way, you would have only had 12660 deaths.  Your way caused an additional 27,113 deaths.  

If I was you, I wouldn't feel better about anything.  

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9 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Since gunz are supposed to keep us safe, 

(speaking of Gringolandia here) 

why are we not safe ?? 

Because we need MORE MORE MORE GUNZ to be truly safe.

FREEDOM

- DSK

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5 hours ago, Rain Man said:

You're right, I forgot to correct this.  Here is the corrected statement using an estimate of 1000 gun suicides in 2017 based on the statement that approximately 25% of Canadian suicides are gun-related:

Well, you folks are doing something wrong.  In 2017, in the USA, there were 39,773 gun deaths.  In Canada in the same year, there were 1266.  Your population is 10 times ours, so if you were doing things our way, you would have only had 12660 deaths.  Your way caused an additional 27,113 deaths.  

If I was you, I wouldn't feel better about anything.  

And yet, our suicide rate is about the same as yours.

Do you think that banning (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) will help you pull ahead, or how do you think suicides are relevant to banning and taking guns?

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1 hour ago, Pedagogical Tom said:

And yet, our suicide rate is about the same as yours.

Do you think that banning (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) will help you pull ahead, or how do you think suicides are relevant to banning and taking guns?

In Canada, guns are usually bought for a purpose.  In the US, guns are often bought because they are boutique items.  My neighbor's puppy pit bull is now fully grown and we discovered him trying to get over the fence into our yard to either play with or kill our dog a few days ago - we weren't sure what his intentions were.  I briefly considered buying a gun, then decided to raise the fence instead, which we completed yesterday.  In general, there aren't many reasons to own a gun here.  

There isn't a proliferation of guns here.  I don't think suicides are relevant to banning guns, a determined person intending to commit suicide will find another way.  It may have a small impact because our gun laws make it harder to make the decision to use a gun that way for someone who isn't already a gun owner. 

Fewer guns around means fewer accidental deaths (kids shooting each other by mistake) and so on, and more difficulty getting certain types of weapons may reduce death in our rare mass shooting incidents.   I think my views reflect the majority opinion in Canada.  The government knows this, and is proceeding according to the majority wishes.

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On 1/31/2021 at 9:16 PM, Rain Man said:

In Canada, guns are usually bought for a purpose.  In the US, guns are often bought because they are boutique items. 

That's just silly. In the US, guns are usually bought for a purpose.  In Canada, guns are often bought because they are boutique items. See how it's as meaningless and undocumented when I say it?

 

On 1/31/2021 at 9:16 PM, Rain Man said:

There isn't a proliferation of guns here.  I don't think suicides are relevant to banning guns

There's enough of a proliferation to justify a confiscation program.

You could have corrected your earlier false comparison by subtracting US suicides. Instead, you added Canadian ones. Why pile on the irrelevance?

On 1/31/2021 at 9:16 PM, Rain Man said:

more difficulty getting certain types of weapons may reduce death in our rare mass shooting incidents.   I think my views reflect the majority opinion in Canada. 

The delusion of effectiveness is behind every prohibition program. Most of what our Bill of Rights does is protect against whims of the majority.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Just not important enough.

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6 hours ago, Pedagogical Tom said:

The delusion of effectiveness is behind every prohibition program. Most of what our Bill of Rights does is protect against whims of the majority.

Those poor deluded Australians:

https://fortune.com/2018/02/20/australia-gun-control-success/

Canada just wants to be a bit more like them.  Please forgive us for trying to make our country better, while you are advocating for keeping your country in gun homicide hell.

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On 2/4/2021 at 1:22 PM, Rain Man said:

Those poor deluded Australians:

https://fortune.com/2018/02/20/australia-gun-control-success/

Canada just wants to be a bit more like them.  Please forgive us for trying to make our country better, while you are advocating for keeping your country in gun homicide hell.

I see you're right back to citing a source that says suicides are a primary reason to ban (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) so you're off to a good start, but to really emulate Australia you're going to have to start going after collections of disabled guns in museums. Meanwhile, our suicide rate is pretty similar to yours and to Australia's and I still fail to see the relevance to banning (assault weapons, ordinary .22's). Suicide prevention by gun control, if it worked, would have to involve banning lethal guns that fire one or more shots. Another way of saying the same thing would be: suicide prevention by gun control, if it worked, would have to involve banning all guns.

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9 hours ago, Keith said:

Confiscate every firearm..


And there's another way of saying the same thing. Don't forget the disabled museum pieces if you want to get it right in the Aussie way.

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5 hours ago, Pedagogical Tom said:


And there's another way of saying the same thing. Don't forget the disabled museum pieces if you want to get it right in the Aussie way.

Well, Tommy gun, here's another good reason.

https://wgme.com/news/local/canadas-worst-mass-shooting-was-committed-with-guns-from-maine

 

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On 2/10/2021 at 10:03 AM, Keith said:

Well, Keithy grab, I still don't think peaceful Canadian or American gun owners are responsible for the actions of your criminals, but this part was amusing:

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The Nova Scotia attacks led to even further restrictions, with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau enacting bans of more than 1,500 military-style assault-style weapons, such as the Colt carbine Wortman acquired in Houlton.

Wholly Shiite! This thing is BOTH military style and assault style!

On 9/2/2020 at 6:12 AM, Pedagogical Tom said:

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The Mitchell Arms CAR15/22 is a pretty plain looking battlefield .22. I like the extra thick rubber pad on the butt. Wouldn't want to bruise your shoulder with the kick of a .22!

Mitchell15-22.jpg

 

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Canada to introduce ‘strongest in history’ gun laws which give cities option to totally ban firearms

The opening paragraph contradicts the headline.
 

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Canada has proposed letting municipalities completely ban handguns as it introduces new legislation to expand its nationwide military-style (assault weapons, ordinary .22) ban from last year.

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The proposed law would also make it possible for the government to create a takings programme for around 1,500 (assault weapon, ordinary .22) models.

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Gun-control group PolySeSouvient said it was disappointed that the government didn't make the takings programme mandatory, like in Australia and New Zealand.

 

Edited slightly for accuracy.

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On 1/31/2021 at 7:40 PM, Shambolic Tom said:
On 1/31/2021 at 2:08 PM, Rain Man said:

You're right, I forgot to correct this.  Here is the corrected statement using an estimate of 1000 gun suicides in 2017 based on the statement that approximately 25% of Canadian suicides are gun-related:

Well, you folks are doing something wrong.  In 2017, in the USA, there were 39,773 gun deaths.  In Canada in the same year, there were 1266.  Your population is 10 times ours, so if you were doing things our way, you would have only had 12660 deaths.  Your way caused an additional 27,113 deaths.  

If I was you, I wouldn't feel better about anything.  

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And yet, our suicide rate is about the same as yours.

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12 hours ago, Rain Man said:

It is a start:  https://globalnews.ca/news/7642893/assault-rifle-buyback-program-canada/

Manysyllable Tom will be along shortly to obfuscate the issue with a discussion of suicides, or some other diversionary tactic. 


You're the one who repeatedly brought up suicides to justify your (assault weapon, ordinary .22) confiscation program.

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4 hours ago, Keith said:

Well, well, well,

Many countries from around the world may be able to finally breathe a sigh of relief, as their citizens may soon be able to safety be in one of the most dangerous countries in the world, while potentially not having to worry about being shot to death while simply, driving, buying groceries, going to school or work or their local religious institute, or even at a live music concert.

 


But I thought it was still going to be a while before the confiscation program makes Canada safe?

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On 9/20/2020 at 4:20 AM, Excoded Tom said:

Mass Shooting In Canada

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Five people have been found dead and another with serious injuries following an early morning shooting in a home east of Toronto on Friday.

So yes, your Canadian gun culture just keeps killing people.

I continue to wonder why you're waiting two years to begin taking away guns?

 

  

9 hours ago, basketcase said:

so, today is day number 148. there have been 225 (or so) mass shootings in America. For me, back home in Canada last week, our national band, The Tragically Hip, released an 'album' of thought to be lost recordings from an album they made 30 years ago. On that album was a song called 'Montreal'. it is about the mass shooting we had at the ecole Polytechnic in Montreal. It was recorded on the day after 11th anniversary of the shooting in 2000. If you go to Wikipedia and look up the list of massacres in Canada (it covers more than just gun violence) this atrocity occurred 32 years ago. It is the eighth most recent mass murder we have had.

 you guys south of the border need to sort out what is more important.... your bullshit second amendment rights, or the life of an innocent.

get your heads out of your asses.

Just because you did not notice a mass shooting does not mean it didn't happen. It might just mean you don't have a billionaire in the business of scaring people.

 

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Just because you did not notice a mass shooting does not mean it didn't happen. It might just mean you don't have a billionaire in the business of scaring people.

 

you know what, Tom.... you and your gun rights can get fucked. take your wife's 22 and stick it up your ass.

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7 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

Geez, I try to help Canadians who are apparently unaware of mass shootings in their country and look at the thanks I get!

The thanks you deserve. Your country is fucked because of people like you, and your need to keep guns.

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On 5/29/2021 at 5:32 PM, basketcase said:

take your wife's 22 and stick it up your ass.

Funny how often your ilk wish violence - or outright cheer on the violence - against anyone who dares disagree with you.

Imagine.

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On 5/29/2021 at 6:54 AM, Excoded Tom said:

Just because you did not notice a mass shooting does not mean it didn't happen.

It is just another foreign expert on everything US, unaware of things in his own country.

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38 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Funny how often your ilk wish violence - or outright cheer on the violence - against anyone who dares disagree with you.

Imagine.

violence begets violence.

Imagine

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On 5/30/2021 at 11:37 AM, basketcase said:

The thanks you deserve. Your country is fucked because of people like you, and your need to keep guns.

Yes, yes, I know the underlying theory of gun grabbin' is that some people commit crimes so we must confiscate property from some other people who have not. The insulting idiocy of this idea is why gun control isn't broadly popular.

And now and then a grabber slips up and says that rural people like me are known to NOT commit violent crimes. But they still want our guns because

On 5/30/2021 at 8:11 PM, basketcase said:

violence begets violence.

Except I'm not violent, nor is owning guns.

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3 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

Mass Shooting Near Toronto

And your country is going to wait most of another year before beginning to confiscate battlefield .22's and other such weapons of mass destruction?

 

and Canadians will be saddened and shocked over this, and we will try to do better and improve things so it doesn't happen again. Ive looked, but I cant find the data on it, what number shooting this week was that for us? what number this year? Are we ahead of Florida yet? Alabama? Texas?

 

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On 5/30/2021 at 8:11 PM, basketcase said:

violence begets violence.

I somehow knew that your ilks desire to "end" everyone who disagrees with them would somehow be the fault of legal firearm owners.

Maybe you could look up "projection", and apply it to the endlessly violent desires of the echo chamber leftists in this forum.

 

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On 6/1/2021 at 9:01 AM, basketcase said:

Are we ahead of Florida yet? Alabama? Texas?

Remarkable how Chicago doesn't make your list. Shouldn't it be a utopia, with a (D) mayor for 90 years?

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On 6/1/2021 at 2:39 AM, Excoded Tom said:

Yes, yes, I know the underlying theory of gun grabbin' is that some people commit crimes so we must confiscate property from some other people who have not. The insulting idiocy of this idea is why gun control isn't broadly popular.

And now and then a grabber slips up and says that rural people like me are known to NOT commit violent crimes. But they still want our guns because

Except I'm not violent, nor is owning guns.

Then why can't we (or you) have lawn darts?  Lawn darts don't kill people, people kill people.

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On 6/1/2021 at 2:39 AM, Excoded Tom said:

Except I'm not violent, nor is owning guns.

Bullshit. DOGBALLED AGAIN. 

 

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9 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Then why can't we (or you) have lawn darts?  Lawn darts don't kill people, people kill people.

I have two sets of them in my shed. What makes you think I can't have them?

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5 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

I have two sets of them in my shed. What makes you think I can't have them?

Sale is banned in the US and Canada because they are dangerous and some people were injured and one person died while they were being used for recreational purposes.  Don't put them in your garage sale.

Fortunately, gunz are much safer so they are allowed to be sold.  Hardly anyone is ever injured or killed by gunz.

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Sale is banned in the US and Canada because they are dangerous and some people were injured and one person died while they were being used for recreational purposes.  Don't put them in your garage sale.

Fortunately, gunz are much safer so they are allowed to be sold.  Hardly anyone is ever injured or killed by gunz.

Wrong again, people still sell them in garage sales. Unlike guns, no one has made continuing to possess legally purchased ones a felony. Yet

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14 minutes ago, Excoded Tom said:

Wrong again, people still sell them in garage sales. Unlike guns, no one has made continuing to possess legally purchased ones a felony. Yet

Actually, you are wrong as usual, not me: https://www.cpsc.gov/s3fs-public/5053.pdf

You can possess them, but you can't sell them.

Also in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/health-canada-has-warnings-for-garage-salers-1.1207995

The point, of course, is the double standard.   Lawn darts are used for recreational purposes but are so dangerous they were banned.  Guns are also used for recreational purposes, and are extremely dangerous, but are not banned.  Why?

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Actually, you are wrong as usual, not me: https://www.cpsc.gov/s3fs-public/5053.pdf

You can possess them, but you can't sell them.

Also in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/health-canada-has-warnings-for-garage-salers-1.1207995

The point, of course, is the double standard.   Lawn darts are used for recreational purposes but are so dangerous they were banned.  Guns are also used for recreational purposes, and are extremely dangerous, but are not banned.  Why?

look up 'kinder surprise'......

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8 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Actually, you are wrong as usual, not me: https://www.cpsc.gov/s3fs-public/5053.pdf

You can possess them, but you can't sell them.

Also in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/health-canada-has-warnings-for-garage-salers-1.1207995

The point, of course, is the double standard.

Glad you now know you were wrong about possession. You're welcome.

A press release isn't a law. This is.

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Lawn darts will not be available through commercial channels after the effective date of the ban.

Garage sales aren't "commercial channels."

But we can agree about the double standards. Like lawn darts, possession of legally acquired guns should not be grounds for a felony conviction. It's unfortunate that it is in some places, and efforts are underway to make continuing to possess certain guns a crime here in my state. I was glad to see a similar effort declared unconstitutional by a federal judge in California the other day.

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9 minutes ago, Excoded Tom said:

Glad you now know you were wrong about possession. You're welcome.

A press release isn't a law. This is.

Garage sales aren't "commercial channels."

But we can agree about the double standards. Like lawn darts, possession of legally acquired guns should not be grounds for a felony conviction. It's unfortunate that it is in some places, and efforts are underway to make continuing to possess certain guns a crime here in my state. I was glad to see a similar effort declared unconstitutional by a federal judge in California the other day.

Actually you are wrong yet again.  Where did I say they were illegal to possess?  I said sale was banned.  Not the same thing.  Isn't this fun?  

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On 6/6/2021 at 9:27 PM, Rain Man said:

Then why can't we (or you) have lawn darts? 

Is "having" something possessing it or selling it in your world?

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And a guy kills a whole family with his automobile over religion. My bad, a 9 yo still in a coma.

What's up Canada?

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9 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Actually you are wrong yet again.  Where did I say they were illegal to possess?  I said sale was banned.  Not the same thing.  Isn't this fun?  

  

On 6/6/2021 at 8:51 PM, Rain Man said:

Imagine if guns were as dangerous as, like, lawn darts.  They'd be banned.

You said "banned." Not the same thing. Isn't this fun?

Also, we should delve into lawn dart self-murders, to continue the gun comparison. Most of the gun violence you've cited a couple of times in this thread can be avoided by the simple expedient of not shooting yourself. Has there been a problem with people self-murderizing themselves with lawn darts?

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