Canada bans 1,500 types of assault firearms YES!

[jocal505 265]

6 minutes ago, Quotidian Tom said:

Well, no, we're talking about Canada here and as far as I know they haven't banned ordinary .22's prior to Trudeau's action that started this thread.

They have now. What of it? Do you think they made some kind of mistake? Went too far? Forgot to include enough ordinary .22's? Or what?

O Canada?

You took yourself out four years ago, with dogballs. There was no international thunder or merit involved.

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What of it? Do you think they made some kind of mistake? Went too far?

I don't give a shit about your bunker situation. You are hiding under the non-issue of banned plinkers... and I am pleased by this. At least your race-baiting is under control now.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

On 11/25/2020 at 11:58 PM, Keith said:

Well, let's never forget, in America, it's always ok to shoot people, it's just their culture. 

Let's also never forget that, in Canada, it's always OK to shoot people for the next two years, while people are still allowed to keep their (assault weapons, ordinary .22's).

[Burning Man 1,730]

8 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

Let's also never forget that, in Canada, it's always OK to shoot people for the next two years, while people are still allowed to keep their (assault weapons, ordinary .22's).

I'm still waiting for kieth to answer my question if he really believes that statement or if it's just hyperbole to make a point.  I wonder why he won't answer it?  There's nothing wrong with admitting it was just sensationalist hysteria.  It happens often here.

BTW Tom - why do you care what canuckistan does wrt to their weapons laws?  Their country, their rules.  It's not our place to judge them.  I just wish all the furiners here would reciprocate that same sentiment.  

[Zonker 5,249]

Alas, most of our illegal guns come from the US.

Tariffs on our products like aluminum on the basis of "US national security" hurts our economy. So yeah, we judge you because it affects us so much.

 

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

15 hours ago, Burning Man said:

BTW Tom - why do you care what canuckistan does wrt to their weapons laws?  Their country, their rules.  It's not our place to judge them.  I just wish all the furiners here would reciprocate that same sentiment.  

I'm reciprocating to set an example.

10 hours ago, Zonker said:

Alas, most of our illegal guns come from the US.

Tariffs on our products like aluminum on the basis of "US national security" hurts our economy. So yeah, we judge you because it affects us so much.

 

Where do your legal guns come from?

Tariffs on our imports hurt us, but that's another thread.

[jocal505 265]

4 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

I'm reciprocating to set an example.

You are showing global awareness, of sorts. And it is very hard to call your bit winning.
The writing on the wall is that guns are losing favor on the North American continent.

And now, the violence index in the USA is reflecting yuge increases in armed violence. It is remarkable. The pattern began with Trayvon Martin, and stalled, then took off.

 

[Zonker 5,249]

11 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

Where do your legal guns come from?

I was talking about illegal guns, not legally imported one

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

1 hour ago, Zonker said:

I was talking about illegal guns, not legally imported one

Maybe you need a big, stupid wall. Whatever it takes. I still don't believe people who own (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) here in the states are responsible for criminals' actions in our country or yours. Criminals are.

[Zonker 5,249]

No wall needed. Don't worry, the influence of our socialist medicine, gun confiscations and leaders with really good hair will continue to spread its way south. You can keep your guns, but not forever....

Sleep tight.

[Ishmael 10,675]

4 minutes ago, Zonker said:

No wall needed. Don't worry, the influence of our socialist medicine, gun confiscations and leaders with really good hair will continue to spread its way south. You can keep your guns, but not forever....

Sleep tight.

Don't worry about creeping Communism, we know where you live and we will be good to you.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

4 hours ago, Zonker said:

No wall needed. Don't worry, the influence of our socialist medicine, gun confiscations and leaders with really good hair will continue to spread its way south. You can keep your guns, but not forever.... 

Sleep tight.

It's weird to me that Canadians are so threatened by owners of (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) that they have to take them away, but not threatened enough to do it immediately. It's almost like you know that we're not really responsible for the behavior of criminals and that knowledge is causing the delay.

[Irish River 159]

7 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

It's weird to me that Canadians are so threatened by owners of (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) that they have to take them away, but not threatened enough to do it immediately. It's almost like you know that we're not really responsible for the behavior of criminals and that knowledge is causing the delay.

It's weird to us that Americans seem to want spread your home grown terror to your neighbour. 

[Ishmael 10,675]

1 hour ago, Irish River said:

It's weird to us that Americans seem to want spread your home grown terror to your neighbour. 

People like Tom aren't happy unless everyone is armed to the teeth.

MOAR GUNZ!

[jocal505 265]

On 11/29/2020 at 12:01 PM, Ishmael said:

People like Tom aren't happy unless everyone is armed to the teeth.

Fine, but let people like Tom be held accountable, for the results of being armed to the teeth.

Let's not let these clowns prevent or juke the resulting data. 

 

Florida has refused to participate in the Uniform Crime Reporting system since 2016. Alabama, the same.

 

 

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

9 hours ago, Keith said:

Maybe it's well past time that America took some lessons from other cultures, and attempted to move on from being the "wild wild west" and into the 2020s.

By all means, educate us! If we follow your lead and have a confiscation program for (assault weapons, ordinary .22's), would it be a good idea to just wait a couple of years before actually taking any guns, or should the taking commence sooner?

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

5 hours ago, Ishmael said:

10 hours ago, Willin' said:

12 hours ago, Quotidian Tom said:

You're not afraid of ordinary .22's either?

They're referred to as sheepballs down there!

That level of obsession is extremely weird. Tom, get help.

Take it back to Cruising Anarchy again.

4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

5 hours ago, Ishmael said:

That level of obsession is extremely weird. Tom, get help.

I'm pretty sure he has (assault weapons/ordinary .22's) programmed on a PF key.

You too, or at least take made up gossip about me to Tom Ray Anarchy.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

2 hours ago, Rain Man said:

 

This ought to get the gun nutters reaching for the Kleenex:

You really don't need a magazine that large to self murderize yourself.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

20 hours ago, Keith said:

I would think a gun nut like you would prefer dynamite for fishing, you'll never hit a fast-moving fish with a .22

But, hey you would know that anyway, right?

Do people even use grenades to self murderize themselves?

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

5 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

22 minutes ago, Pedagogical Tom said:

Wow, they must have a terrible crime rate as a result, right?

I'm only concerned about people in power who say they want to take our guns and who propose doing it in legislation and constitutional amendments, as is the case in our state. If they'd stop proposing it, I'd stop being concerned about the proposals. But they won't, so...

And that is the main problem with politics in the USA.  All the important issues (health care, wealth inequality, climate change, loss of jobs overseas and to automation) are ignored while people focus on their right to own guns or not.   YCMTSU.

Hey, at least we don't mix and match stats, like your comparison of US "gun deaths" including suicides, which make up 2/3 of them, with Canadian violent crimes, conveniently leaving out the suicides. That's the level of honesty I have come to expect from grabbers and why I don't trust them. TCADMSU.

But since you're in a teaching mood, why are you waiting two years to take (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) from all those dangerous Canucks who own such terrible weapons? Should we try to get around to the taking part faster, or is delay OK?

[Rain Man 1,989]

4 hours ago, Pedagogical Tom said:

Hey, at least we don't mix and match stats, like your comparison of US "gun deaths" including suicides, which make up 2/3 of them, with Canadian violent crimes, conveniently leaving out the suicides. That's the level of honesty I have come to expect from grabbers and why I don't trust them. TCADMSU.

But since you're in a teaching mood, why are you waiting two years to take (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) from all those dangerous Canucks who own such terrible weapons? Should we try to get around to the taking part faster, or is delay OK?

See, the thing about Canada is, we don't waste time on stupid issues like this.  We have a few whackos to whom gun ownership is the most important thing in their lives, but luckily they are few and far between.  Every now and again it will surface in the news, but day to day it just isn't something we focus on.

If the feds have decided to wait a couple of years to give people notice, so be it.  It just isn't important here. 

[Ishmael 10,675]

10 hours ago, Rain Man said:

See, the thing about Canada is, we don't waste time on stupid issues like this.  We have a few whackos to whom gun ownership is the most important thing in their lives, but luckily they are few and far between.  Every now and again it will surface in the news, but day to day it just isn't something we focus on.

If the feds have decided to wait a couple of years to give people notice, so be it.  It just isn't important here. 

Pointless trying to explain that to Pathological Tom. Does not compute in his universe.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

On 1/30/2021 at 1:15 AM, Rain Man said:

See, the thing about Canada is, we don't waste time on stupid issues like this.  We have a few whackos to whom gun ownership is the most important thing in their lives, but luckily they are few and far between.  Every now and again it will surface in the news, but day to day it just isn't something we focus on.

If the feds have decided to wait a couple of years to give people notice, so be it.  It just isn't important here. 

This thread seems to indicate it's pretty important, as does the inability of people like Ish and Sloopy to follow my example and leave the gun politics out of Cruising Anarchy.

On 5/7/2020 at 1:38 AM, Rain Man said:

Well, you folks are doing something wrong.  In 2017, in the USA, there were 39,773 gun deaths.  In Canada in the same year, there were 266.  Your population is 10 times ours, so if you were doing things our way, you would have only had 2660 deaths.  Your way caused an additional 37,113 deaths.  

But, hey, you do you.

 

And excluding Canadian suicides while counting US ones is still dishonest, not to mention heartless, since you now say they are just not important.

Sorry I didn't get back to this yesterday. Other issues seemed more important to me.

[Rain Man 1,989]

8 hours ago, Pedagogical Tom said:

This thread seems to indicate it's pretty important, as does the inability of people like Ish and Sloopy to follow my example and leave the gun politics out of Cruising Anarchy.

And excluding Canadian suicides while counting US ones is still dishonest, not to mention heartless, since you now say they are just not important.

Sorry I didn't get back to this yesterday. Other issues seemed more important to me.

You're right, I forgot to correct this.  Here is the corrected statement using an estimate of 1000 gun suicides in 2017 based on the statement that approximately 25% of Canadian suicides are gun-related:

Well, you folks are doing something wrong.  In 2017, in the USA, there were 39,773 gun deaths.  In Canada in the same year, there were 1266.  Your population is 10 times ours, so if you were doing things our way, you would have only had 12660 deaths.  Your way caused an additional 27,113 deaths.  

If I was you, I wouldn't feel better about anything.  

[AJ Oliver 1,926]

Since gunz are supposed to keep us safe, 

(speaking of Gringolandia here) 

why are we not safe ?? 

[Steam Flyer 8,449]

9 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Since gunz are supposed to keep us safe, 

(speaking of Gringolandia here) 

why are we not safe ?? 

Because we need MORE MORE MORE GUNZ to be truly safe.

FREEDOM

- DSK

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

5 hours ago, Rain Man said:

You're right, I forgot to correct this.  Here is the corrected statement using an estimate of 1000 gun suicides in 2017 based on the statement that approximately 25% of Canadian suicides are gun-related:

Well, you folks are doing something wrong.  In 2017, in the USA, there were 39,773 gun deaths.  In Canada in the same year, there were 1266.  Your population is 10 times ours, so if you were doing things our way, you would have only had 12660 deaths.  Your way caused an additional 27,113 deaths.  

If I was you, I wouldn't feel better about anything.  

And yet, our suicide rate is about the same as yours.

Do you think that banning (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) will help you pull ahead, or how do you think suicides are relevant to banning and taking guns?

[Rain Man 1,989]

1 hour ago, Pedagogical Tom said:

And yet, our suicide rate is about the same as yours.

Do you think that banning (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) will help you pull ahead, or how do you think suicides are relevant to banning and taking guns?

In Canada, guns are usually bought for a purpose.  In the US, guns are often bought because they are boutique items.  My neighbor's puppy pit bull is now fully grown and we discovered him trying to get over the fence into our yard to either play with or kill our dog a few days ago - we weren't sure what his intentions were.  I briefly considered buying a gun, then decided to raise the fence instead, which we completed yesterday.  In general, there aren't many reasons to own a gun here.  

There isn't a proliferation of guns here.  I don't think suicides are relevant to banning guns, a determined person intending to commit suicide will find another way.  It may have a small impact because our gun laws make it harder to make the decision to use a gun that way for someone who isn't already a gun owner. 

Fewer guns around means fewer accidental deaths (kids shooting each other by mistake) and so on, and more difficulty getting certain types of weapons may reduce death in our rare mass shooting incidents.   I think my views reflect the majority opinion in Canada.  The government knows this, and is proceeding according to the majority wishes.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

On 1/31/2021 at 9:16 PM, Rain Man said:

In Canada, guns are usually bought for a purpose.  In the US, guns are often bought because they are boutique items. 

That's just silly. In the US, guns are usually bought for a purpose.  In Canada, guns are often bought because they are boutique items. See how it's as meaningless and undocumented when I say it?

 

On 1/31/2021 at 9:16 PM, Rain Man said:

There isn't a proliferation of guns here.  I don't think suicides are relevant to banning guns

There's enough of a proliferation to justify a confiscation program.

You could have corrected your earlier false comparison by subtracting US suicides. Instead, you added Canadian ones. Why pile on the irrelevance?

On 1/31/2021 at 9:16 PM, Rain Man said:

more difficulty getting certain types of weapons may reduce death in our rare mass shooting incidents.   I think my views reflect the majority opinion in Canada. 

The delusion of effectiveness is behind every prohibition program. Most of what our Bill of Rights does is protect against whims of the majority.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Just not important enough.

[Rain Man 1,989]

6 hours ago, Pedagogical Tom said:

The delusion of effectiveness is behind every prohibition program. Most of what our Bill of Rights does is protect against whims of the majority.

Those poor deluded Australians:

https://fortune.com/2018/02/20/australia-gun-control-success/

Canada just wants to be a bit more like them.  Please forgive us for trying to make our country better, while you are advocating for keeping your country in gun homicide hell.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

On 2/4/2021 at 1:22 PM, Rain Man said:

Those poor deluded Australians:

https://fortune.com/2018/02/20/australia-gun-control-success/

Canada just wants to be a bit more like them.  Please forgive us for trying to make our country better, while you are advocating for keeping your country in gun homicide hell.

I see you're right back to citing a source that says suicides are a primary reason to ban (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) so you're off to a good start, but to really emulate Australia you're going to have to start going after collections of disabled guns in museums. Meanwhile, our suicide rate is pretty similar to yours and to Australia's and I still fail to see the relevance to banning (assault weapons, ordinary .22's). Suicide prevention by gun control, if it worked, would have to involve banning lethal guns that fire one or more shots. Another way of saying the same thing would be: suicide prevention by gun control, if it worked, would have to involve banning all guns.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

9 hours ago, Keith said:

Confiscate every firearm..

And there's another way of saying the same thing. Don't forget the disabled museum pieces if you want to get it right in the Aussie way.

[Keith 1,528]

5 hours ago, Pedagogical Tom said:

And there's another way of saying the same thing. Don't forget the disabled museum pieces if you want to get it right in the Aussie way.

Well, Tommy gun, here's another good reason.

https://wgme.com/news/local/canadas-worst-mass-shooting-was-committed-with-guns-from-maine

 

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

On 2/10/2021 at 10:03 AM, Keith said:

Well, Tommy gun, here's another good reason.

https://wgme.com/news/local/canadas-worst-mass-shooting-was-committed-with-guns-from-maine

 

Well, Keithy grab, I still don't think peaceful Canadian or American gun owners are responsible for the actions of your criminals, but this part was amusing:

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The Nova Scotia attacks led to even further restrictions, with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau enacting bans of more than 1,500 military-style assault-style weapons, such as the Colt carbine Wortman acquired in Houlton.

Wholly Shiite! This thing is BOTH military style and assault style!

On 9/2/2020 at 6:12 AM, Pedagogical Tom said:

...

The Mitchell Arms CAR15/22 is a pretty plain looking battlefield .22. I like the extra thick rubber pad on the butt. Wouldn't want to bruise your shoulder with the kick of a .22!

 

[Rain Man 1,989]

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

Canada to introduce ‘strongest in history’ gun laws which give cities option to totally ban firearms

The opening paragraph contradicts the headline.
 

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Canada has proposed letting municipalities completely ban handguns as it introduces new legislation to expand its nationwide military-style (assault weapons, ordinary .22) ban from last year.

...

The proposed law would also make it possible for the government to create a takings programme for around 1,500 (assault weapon, ordinary .22) models.

...

Gun-control group PolySeSouvient said it was disappointed that the government didn't make the takings programme mandatory, like in Australia and New Zealand.

 

Edited slightly for accuracy.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

On 1/31/2021 at 7:40 PM, Shambolic Tom said:

On 1/31/2021 at 2:08 PM, Rain Man said:

You're right, I forgot to correct this.  Here is the corrected statement using an estimate of 1000 gun suicides in 2017 based on the statement that approximately 25% of Canadian suicides are gun-related:

Well, you folks are doing something wrong.  In 2017, in the USA, there were 39,773 gun deaths.  In Canada in the same year, there were 1266.  Your population is 10 times ours, so if you were doing things our way, you would have only had 12660 deaths.  Your way caused an additional 27,113 deaths.  

If I was you, I wouldn't feel better about anything.  

Expand  

And yet, our suicide rate is about the same as yours.

...

  

12 hours ago, Rain Man said:

It is a start:  https://globalnews.ca/news/7642893/assault-rifle-buyback-program-canada/

Manysyllable Tom will be along shortly to obfuscate the issue with a discussion of suicides, or some other diversionary tactic. 

You're the one who repeatedly brought up suicides to justify your (assault weapon, ordinary .22) confiscation program.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

  

4 hours ago, Keith said:

Well, well, well,

Many countries from around the world may be able to finally breathe a sigh of relief, as their citizens may soon be able to safety be in one of the most dangerous countries in the world, while potentially not having to worry about being shot to death while simply, driving, buying groceries, going to school or work or their local religious institute, or even at a live music concert.

 

But I thought it was still going to be a while before the confiscation program makes Canada safe?

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

On 9/20/2020 at 4:20 AM, Excoded Tom said:

Mass Shooting In Canada

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Five people have been found dead and another with serious injuries following an early morning shooting in a home east of Toronto on Friday.

So yes, your Canadian gun culture just keeps killing people.

I continue to wonder why you're waiting two years to begin taking away guns?

 

  

9 hours ago, basketcase said:

so, today is day number 148. there have been 225 (or so) mass shootings in America. For me, back home in Canada last week, our national band, The Tragically Hip, released an 'album' of thought to be lost recordings from an album they made 30 years ago. On that album was a song called 'Montreal'. it is about the mass shooting we had at the ecole Polytechnic in Montreal. It was recorded on the day after 11th anniversary of the shooting in 2000. If you go to Wikipedia and look up the list of massacres in Canada (it covers more than just gun violence) this atrocity occurred 32 years ago. It is the eighth most recent mass murder we have had.

 you guys south of the border need to sort out what is more important.... your bullshit second amendment rights, or the life of an innocent.

get your heads out of your asses.

Just because you did not notice a mass shooting does not mean it didn't happen. It might just mean you don't have a billionaire in the business of scaring people.

 

[basketcase 805]

10 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

 

  

Just because you did not notice a mass shooting does not mean it didn't happen. It might just mean you don't have a billionaire in the business of scaring people.

 

you know what, Tom.... you and your gun rights can get fucked. take your wife's 22 and stick it up your ass.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

Geez, I try to help Canadians who are apparently unaware of mass shootings in their country and look at the thanks I get!

[basketcase 805]

7 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

Geez, I try to help Canadians who are apparently unaware of mass shootings in their country and look at the thanks I get!

The thanks you deserve. Your country is fucked because of people like you, and your need to keep guns.

[bpm57 40]

On 5/29/2021 at 5:32 PM, basketcase said:

take your wife's 22 and stick it up your ass.

Funny how often your ilk wish violence - or outright cheer on the violence - against anyone who dares disagree with you.

Imagine.

[bpm57 40]

On 5/29/2021 at 6:54 AM, Excoded Tom said:

Just because you did not notice a mass shooting does not mean it didn't happen.

It is just another foreign expert on everything US, unaware of things in his own country.

[basketcase 805]

38 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Funny how often your ilk wish violence - or outright cheer on the violence - against anyone who dares disagree with you.

Imagine.

violence begets violence.

Imagine

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

On 5/30/2021 at 11:37 AM, basketcase said:

The thanks you deserve. Your country is fucked because of people like you, and your need to keep guns.

Yes, yes, I know the underlying theory of gun grabbin' is that some people commit crimes so we must confiscate property from some other people who have not. The insulting idiocy of this idea is why gun control isn't broadly popular.

And now and then a grabber slips up and says that rural people like me are known to NOT commit violent crimes. But they still want our guns because

On 5/30/2021 at 8:11 PM, basketcase said:

violence begets violence.

Except I'm not violent, nor is owning guns.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

Mass Shooting Near Toronto

And your country is going to wait most of another year before beginning to confiscate battlefield .22's and other such weapons of mass destruction?

 

[Steam Flyer 8,449]

2 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

....

Except I'm not violent, nor is owning guns.

Sure.

Lots of people have boats that almost never sail them

- DSK

[basketcase 805]

3 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

Mass Shooting Near Toronto

And your country is going to wait most of another year before beginning to confiscate battlefield .22's and other such weapons of mass destruction?

 

and Canadians will be saddened and shocked over this, and we will try to do better and improve things so it doesn't happen again. Ive looked, but I cant find the data on it, what number shooting this week was that for us? what number this year? Are we ahead of Florida yet? Alabama? Texas?

 

[bpm57 40]

On 5/30/2021 at 8:11 PM, basketcase said:

violence begets violence.

I somehow knew that your ilks desire to "end" everyone who disagrees with them would somehow be the fault of legal firearm owners.

Maybe you could look up "projection", and apply it to the endlessly violent desires of the echo chamber leftists in this forum.

 

[bpm57 40]

On 6/1/2021 at 9:01 AM, basketcase said:

Are we ahead of Florida yet? Alabama? Texas?

Remarkable how Chicago doesn't make your list. Shouldn't it be a utopia, with a (D) mayor for 90 years?

[Rain Man 1,989]

On 6/1/2021 at 2:39 AM, Excoded Tom said:

Yes, yes, I know the underlying theory of gun grabbin' is that some people commit crimes so we must confiscate property from some other people who have not. The insulting idiocy of this idea is why gun control isn't broadly popular.

And now and then a grabber slips up and says that rural people like me are known to NOT commit violent crimes. But they still want our guns because

Except I'm not violent, nor is owning guns.

Then why can't we (or you) have lawn darts?  Lawn darts don't kill people, people kill people.

[jocal505 265]

On 6/1/2021 at 2:39 AM, Excoded Tom said:

Except I'm not violent, nor is owning guns.

Bullshit. DOGBALLED AGAIN. 

• The platform of your gun forum contributions is based on...escalated violence, which you (dishonestly) brand as "self defense."
• Areas with lax gun laws have more violence. My sources are myriad, Tom. A 50-State Analysis of Gun Violence and Its Link to Weak State Gun Laws
• Areas with right to carry have increases of violence in the double digits. Source: John Donohue, 2007 and 2013. The Impact of Right to Carry Laws and the NRC Report: The Latest Lessons for the Empirical Evaluation of Law and Policy
• Homes with guns have a tenfold chance of  suicide in that hiome. Arthur J. Kellerman is my source, 1993. Gun ownership as a risk factor for homicide in the home.
• Guns in the home increase the change of the woman being killed by 300%. Arthur J. Kellerman is my source, see above.

 

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

9 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Then why can't we (or you) have lawn darts?  Lawn darts don't kill people, people kill people.

I have two sets of them in my shed. What makes you think I can't have them?

[Rain Man 1,989]

5 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

I have two sets of them in my shed. What makes you think I can't have them?

Sale is banned in the US and Canada because they are dangerous and some people were injured and one person died while they were being used for recreational purposes.  Don't put them in your garage sale.

Fortunately, gunz are much safer so they are allowed to be sold.  Hardly anyone is ever injured or killed by gunz.

[Pertinacious Tom 1,931]

10 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

Sale is banned in the US and Canada because they are dangerous and some people were injured and one person died while they were being used for recreational purposes.  Don't put them in your garage sale.

Fortunately, gunz are much safer so they are allowed to be sold.  Hardly anyone is ever injured or killed by gunz.

Wrong again, people still sell them in garage sales. Unlike guns, no one has made continuing to possess legally purchased ones a felony. Yet

[Rain Man 1,989]

14 minutes ago, Excoded Tom said:

Wrong again, people still sell them in garage sales. Unlike guns, no one has made continuing to possess legally purchased ones a felony. Yet

Actually, you are wrong as usual, not me: https://www.cpsc.gov/s3fs-public/5053.pdf

You can possess them, but you can't sell them.

Also in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/health-canada-has-warnings-for-garage-salers-1.1207995

The point, of course, is the double standard.   Lawn darts are used for recreational purposes but are so dangerous they were banned.  Guns are also used for recreational purposes, and are extremely dangerous, but are not banned.  Why?

[basketcase 805]

1 hour ago, Rain Man said:

Actually, you are wrong as usual, not me: https://www.cpsc.gov/s3fs-public/5053.pdf

You can possess them, but you can't sell them.

Also in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/health-canada-has-warnings-for-garage-salers-1.1207995

The point, of course, is the double standard.   Lawn darts are used for recreational purposes but are so dangerous they were banned.  Guns are also used for recreational purposes, and are extremely dangerous, but are not banned.  Why?

look up 'kinder surprise'......

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8 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Actually, you are wrong as usual, not me: https://www.cpsc.gov/s3fs-public/5053.pdf

You can possess them, but you can't sell them.

Also in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/health-canada-has-warnings-for-garage-salers-1.1207995

The point, of course, is the double standard.

Glad you now know you were wrong about possession. You're welcome.

A press release isn't a law. This is.

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Lawn darts will not be available through commercial channels after the effective date of the ban.

Garage sales aren't "commercial channels."

But we can agree about the double standards. Like lawn darts, possession of legally acquired guns should not be grounds for a felony conviction. It's unfortunate that it is in some places, and efforts are underway to make continuing to possess certain guns a crime here in my state. I was glad to see a similar effort declared unconstitutional by a federal judge in California the other day.

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9 minutes ago, Excoded Tom said:

Glad you now know you were wrong about possession. You're welcome.

A press release isn't a law. This is.

Garage sales aren't "commercial channels."

But we can agree about the double standards. Like lawn darts, possession of legally acquired guns should not be grounds for a felony conviction. It's unfortunate that it is in some places, and efforts are underway to make continuing to possess certain guns a crime here in my state. I was glad to see a similar effort declared unconstitutional by a federal judge in California the other day.

Actually you are wrong yet again.  Where did I say they were illegal to possess?  I said sale was banned.  Not the same thing.  Isn't this fun?  

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On 6/6/2021 at 9:27 PM, Rain Man said:

Then why can't we (or you) have lawn darts? 

Is "having" something possessing it or selling it in your world?

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And a guy kills a whole family with his automobile over religion. My bad, a 9 yo still in a coma.

What's up Canada?

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9 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Actually you are wrong yet again.  Where did I say they were illegal to possess?  I said sale was banned.  Not the same thing.  Isn't this fun?  

  

On 6/6/2021 at 8:51 PM, Rain Man said:

Imagine if guns were as dangerous as, like, lawn darts.  They'd be banned.

You said "banned." Not the same thing. Isn't this fun?

Also, we should delve into lawn dart self-murders, to continue the gun comparison. Most of the gun violence you've cited a couple of times in this thread can be avoided by the simple expedient of not shooting yourself. Has there been a problem with people self-murderizing themselves with lawn darts?

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4 hours ago, 00seven said:

And a guy kills a whole family with his automobile over religion. My bad, a 9 yo still in a coma.

What's up Canada?

We have whack jobs too. 20 years old and full of hate. I wonder where he learned to hate Muslims.

[Rain Man 1,989]

5 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

Is "having" something possessing it or selling it in your world?

Ah, I mis-typed, should have said "Why can't we buy lawn darts".

There - happy?  Still having fun?  It seems you are off your game a bit in the last day or so...

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On 6/8/2021 at 12:06 PM, Rain Man said:

Ah, I mis-typed

Twice, in two different threads. Once might have been a typo. Twice is a pattern.

But go ahead and implausibly claim a typo. Anything is better than admitting you actually learned something from a mere libertarian.

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8 hours ago, Bugsy said:

I am reading the book 'Skin in the Game' by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.  In that book, he postulates that 10,000 Americans die every year by suicide simply because guns are available and handy.  

And yet, Canada's suicide rate is about the same as ours. Are Canadian battlefield .22 owners causing this?

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47 minutes ago, Excoded Tom said:

  

And yet, Canada's suicide rate is about the same as ours. Are Canadian battlefield .22 owners causing this?

Hi Tom, 

I think you come across as a good guy.  You like boats, you seem like a good neighbour and you seem like the kind of guy I could sail with or have a beer with.  

From what I have read, Canada's gun suicide rate is not about the same as yours (meaning the USA).  I reference a book I am reading with that had an interesting note.  I quoted and referenced that.  

I just Googled "compare suicide rates canada vs usa"

Here is what I found right away:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0232252

A published, peer reviewed article that supports the numbers quoted by Taleb.  Here is a quote:

Relative to Canada, the male suicide fatality rate in the US standardized population was greater in every age group. The proportion of male suicide fatalities due to firearms in the US standardized population ranged from 46% among those aged 25 to 34 to 78% among those aged 65 or older. In contrast, the proportion of male suicide fatalities due to firearms in Canada ranged from six percent among those under the age of 15 years to 32% among those aged 65 or older. We estimated that if males in the US had the same firearm suicide fatality rate as Canada, we would observe 76.9% fewer suicide fatalities due to firearms and 32.8% more non-firearm suicide fatalities. The overall male suicide fatality rate would be 28.8% lower if males in the US had the same firearm suicide fatality rate as Canada, and would be equivalent to approximately 9,992 fewer suicide fatalities each year.

 

I am not going to engage in debate about this.  It really doesn't interest me very much.   I just thought this interesting.  If you want to quibble, please take up your arguments with Taleb or the author of the paper above. 

I plan to retire soon and want to take some road trips.  Meeting you, chatting and having a beer would be great (I will buy the beer).  If you invited me sailing, I would go as I have seen pictures of your SunCat and it looks like a hoot.  Let's just not talk about guns or politics.  

Cheers.  

 

 

 

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Thanks for the friendly reply, Bugsy. I'll just note that I was talking about our suicide rate, not our gun suicide rate. We disproportionately use guns, Canadians don't, but our countries have a similar suicide rate. Japanese people virtually never use a gun and have a much higher rate. I doubt the conclusion that we could cut our suicide rate in half through gun control.

The Sun Cat was fun but we sold it a few years ago. I still have Hobie Adventure Islands, which are great fun, and a year or so ago a Stray Goat followed me home. I expect to finally be sailing it this month and would welcome you to join me if you pass through this area.

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1 hour ago, Bugsy said:

Hi Tom, 

I think you come across as a good guy.  You like boats, you seem like a good neighbour and you seem like the kind of guy I could sail with or have a beer with.  

From what I have read, Canada's gun suicide rate is not about the same as yours (meaning the USA).  I reference a book I am reading with that had an interesting note.  I quoted and referenced that.  

I just Googled "compare suicide rates canada vs usa"

Here is what I found right away:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0232252

A published, peer reviewed article that supports the numbers quoted by Taleb.  Here is a quote:

Relative to Canada, the male suicide fatality rate in the US standardized population was greater in every age group. The proportion of male suicide fatalities due to firearms in the US standardized population ranged from 46% among those aged 25 to 34 to 78% among those aged 65 or older. In contrast, the proportion of male suicide fatalities due to firearms in Canada ranged from six percent among those under the age of 15 years to 32% among those aged 65 or older. We estimated that if males in the US had the same firearm suicide fatality rate as Canada, we would observe 76.9% fewer suicide fatalities due to firearms and 32.8% more non-firearm suicide fatalities. The overall male suicide fatality rate would be 28.8% lower if males in the US had the same firearm suicide fatality rate as Canada, and would be equivalent to approximately 9,992 fewer suicide fatalities each year.

 

I am not going to engage in debate about this.  It really doesn't interest me very much.   I just thought this interesting.  If you want to quibble, please take up your arguments with Taleb or the author of the paper above. 

I plan to retire soon and want to take some road trips.  Meeting you, chatting and having a beer would be great (I will buy the beer).  If you invited me sailing, I would go as I have seen pictures of your SunCat and it looks like a hoot.  Let's just not talk about guns or politics.  

Cheers.  

 

 

 

If you want to relate to Tom, within limited dimensions, go for it. Make the boundaries clear. These points of discussion could remain off limits:

• The felony of housing an AW can be neutralized, *voila*, by the mere mention of boating accidents.
• 22's are to be confused with AW's. A lot. 
• If you support Bloomberg, you are a racist.
• If you want gun control, you are a pro-rapist.
• Gun control does not work.
• MLK was proof positive for the need for must-issue gun permits.
• MLK's church has gone to gunz, all across Georgia.
• Japan's suicides can be (frequently and endlessly) compared to suicides in the USA.
• The CDC has been free to conduct research on the subject of gun violence for the last 25 years.
• However, all peer-reviewed gun violence research can be discounted.
• The facts of peer-reviewed history can be denied, *voila*, by the use of "The Standard Model...which Tom carefully avoids discussing.
• Judge Taney is the bar by which to measure racial equality.

Enjoy the beer, and the boats, and the sailing--sadly, I was not invited. But look beneath the surface with this man, and help him where you can. He will be in good company.

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On 6/1/2021 at 5:43 AM, Excoded Tom said:

Mass Shooting Near Toronto

And your country is going to wait most of another year before beginning to confiscate battlefield .22's and other such weapons of mass destruction?

 

  

16 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Canada 2021 - 5 dead & wounded in mass killing.

Just because you did not notice a mass shooting does not mean it didn't happen. It might just mean you don't have a billionaire in the business of scaring people.

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On 6/11/2021 at 8:14 AM, jocal505 said:

But look beneath the surface with this man, and help him where you can. He will be in good company.

Speaking of that, when are you going to explain that a DGU for you is acceptable, but not for anyone else?

Maybe after that we can work on having you admit that the American Revolution happened.

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4 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Speaking of that, when are you going to explain that a DGU for you is acceptable, but not for anyone else?

Maybe after that we can work on having you admit that the American Revolution happened.

first rot it hell, my friend, and do it soon

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3 minutes ago, jocal505 said:

first rot it hell, my friend, and do it soon

I realize it is hard, Joe, when you can't just cut-n-paste an answer - but give it a try.

Or are you just that special when it comes to DGUs, and nobody else in the entire country meets "the Joe standard"?

 

After that we can move on to your denial of basic US history.

 

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11 hours ago, spankoka said:

16 hours ago, Excoded Tom said:

Not to people who write laws in Australia, Canada, or the US Congress.

Not true of Canadian firearms law, there's nothing there specific about rifle cartridges. It's just that only .22 can have a high capacity magazine, and that predates the "assault rifle" controversy. The same thing would apply to a battle rifle. 

You missed the shopping list in this thread?

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Yes, as a card carrying conservative-I am generally happy with the status quo Canadian gun laws.

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8 hours ago, spankoka said:

Yes, as a card carrying conservative-I am generally happy with the status quo Canadian gun laws.

Well, OK, but "high capacity" means 5 rounds, or sometimes 10, or, with the correct label, 15 rounds in Canada. By any of those definitions, lots of guns other than battlefield .22's can have a high capacity magazine.

The ban in this thread on various specific battlefield .22's seems pretty specific to me.

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As I understand it the rationale for allowing .22 LR high capacity rifle magazines in Canada is pest control. However, you are right that the magazine for every other rifle would be 5 rounds. It's the IPSC that keeps many guns legal in Canada by giving the guns a "sporting use". 

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15 hours ago, Ishmael said:

.223 on the left, .22LR on the right. Same same, right?

Yes, which is why so many battlefield .22's were on the shopping list Trudeau created for me.

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2 hours ago, Keith said:

Why give easy fire arm access to so many ignorant and under educated people.

It's a reasonable question. In Canada, if people are too ignorant to know that firearm is one word, are they allowed to own guns or lecture others about them?

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19 hours ago, Ishmael said:

You guys need laws barring idiots from buying guns. I'm not sure how you determine who is a real idiot and who is only pretending to be stupid.

Why bother? The enlightened approach seems to be to hold everyone responsible for the idiots and ban everyone's battlefield .22's.

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4 hours ago, Keith said:

Again, an under educated violent population with far too easy access to firearms, is killing Americans and America.  

If you don't or cant see that, your part of the problem.

 

This makes me wonder whether the confiscation of battlefield .22's and other WMD's has begun yet in the frozen north?

Canada's far too easy access to battlefield .22's seems to me to be a yuge problem! Can you not see that?