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I am helping a friend resurrect a Somersault 26/Outrigger 26. 

 

The boat is named Hulabaloo and we believe it originated out of New Jersey somewhere.

 

We are looking for any info on:

-mast raising

-rigging specs (running and standing rigging dimensions)

-ANY info/manuals or access to present and past owners that we can gain any insight from as we progress with this project.

 

We are located in Upstate New York near Lake Ontario.

 

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards

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You scored! There was a thread in Fix-It anarchy about the crossarms and photos of a European one at the end of this page: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/209633-hard-dinks-nesting-dinks-and-why-we-like-them/&page=2 

 

How many of those are there?

 

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On 5/15/2020 at 9:50 AM, Russell Brown said:

You scored! There was a thread in Fix-It anarchy about the crossarms and photos of a European one at the end of this page: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/209633-hard-dinks-nesting-dinks-and-why-we-like-them/&page=2 

 

How many of those are there?

 

13 were made.  I do not know if the prototype is included in that count.  It would be great if we could keep track of all and their owners or "boat husbands"  as Dick Newick called them.  We talked and he interviewed me when I bought sail # 8.  He likes to be sure all his "boat daughters"  have good "boat husbands" to care for them.

 

We have Ladybug, sail # 8  We are in Upstate NY near Schenectady. 

Sparky sail # ? is outside Toronto 

Seraphyn sail #? was on Lake Champlain then sold and moved to the south of France

Mini Moxie sail #? was in New Jersey or on Cayuga Lake in upstate NY

name & sail number unknown  in Sweden  

NnIsssoon sail # ? was in Quebec may have been brokered by the multihull source.

Prototype sail 1??  was in northern California and being restored

 Please contact me directly.  I have a lot of drawings, some mine, and some by Dick Newick to share.  I would like to make a list serve like a small F-boat group so we can help each other by comparing notes and restoration projects.

Dave

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Quite interesting that the number built is similar to the number of G-32's built. What were you thinking for a forum about the boats? The G-32's have a facebook page called Gougeon multihulls, but I'm not a fan of facebook. Proasailor would be good for advice on that.

How much does one weigh?

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I race her with an exact (in racing conf. including bedding etc.) 1000kg 

Weighed with a crane ,for a Texel rating of 1.42 and Mocra Tcf 1.20.6

With a couple of degree angle of attack on the “swiveling” daggerboard , she tracks 90 degree tacking angles on GPS

Closer on the compass...

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On 5/19/2020 at 6:28 AM, dclayman said:

13 were made.  I do not know if the prototype is included in that count.  It would be great if we could keep track of all and their owners or "boat husbands"  as Dick Newick called them.  We talked and he interviewed me when I bought sail # 8.  He likes to be sure all his "boat daughters"  have good "boat husbands" to care for them.

 

We have Ladybug, sail # 8  We are in Upstate NY near Schenectady. 

Sparky sail # ? is outside Toronto 

Seraphyn sail #? was on Lake Champlain then sold and moved to the south of France

Mini Moxie sail #? was in New Jersey or on Cayuga Lake in upstate NY

name & sail number unknown  in Sweden  

NnIsssoon sail # ? was in Quebec may have been brokered by the multihull source.

Prototype sail 1??  was in northern California and being restored

 Please contact me directly.  I have a lot of drawings, some mine, and some by Dick Newick to share.  I would like to make a list serve like a small F-boat group so we can help each other by comparing notes and restoration projects.

Dave

Hi Dave,

I don't keep up with these posts, so don't know when you wrote it.   This is meant as a friendly reminder that my family still owns Dick's designs and they'for sale at greatly reduced prices.   I noticed that you seemed to be offering to share your Dick Newick plans which i hope  you'll understand isn't ethical.

Many thanks,

Pat

 

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1 hour ago, Pat Newick said:

Hi Dave,

I don't keep up with these posts, so don't know when you wrote it.   This is meant as a friendly reminder that my family still owns Dick's designs and they'for sale at greatly reduced prices.   I noticed that you seemed to be offering to share your Dick Newick plans which i hope  you'll understand isn't ethical.

Many thanks,

Pat

 

Hi Pat,

    So good to see you post here. And to do it so nicely! Dick was a lucky man and his legacy should be respected.  Dick shared so much with the growing multihull community 'back in the day' and that generosity was not always appreciated. Love to see you protecting his wonderful work.

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6 hours ago, Pat Newick said:

Hi Dave,

I don't keep up with these posts, so don't know when you wrote it.   This is meant as a friendly reminder that my family still owns Dick's designs and they'for sale at greatly reduced prices.   I noticed that you seemed to be offering to share your Dick Newick plans which i hope  you'll understand isn't ethical.

Many thanks,

Pat

 

Much respect!

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Thanks for the reminder Pat.

@carlwasher - just saw this thread. Great to see more boats getting together with so many close to lake Ontario. Let's do a meet up when covid is come and gone? 

My mast section is 4 3/32" x 6 1/2" with a wall thickness of 0.125". I need to check height. This is bigger than Dave's section from memory. 

I have more info at home that I can send out in the next couple of days. I see you already have your mast up but I can also document the process for katchka (x-sparky) when I get it in the water in the next week or two. 

 

 

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Reporting in here about the prototype boat of Newick's SummerSalt design. dclayman, we'd like to get in touch with you. This boat was towed from CO to the San Francisco area a while back, and tucked in to another barn until this past weekend. She's gettin' saved and will be splashed soon. The new owner would like to get any history info he can. We found a mooring ball permit sticker from Chicago in 1987, but that's all we know. Photos and writeup of the weekend project are here:

https://cartersboat.com/2020/07/19/coming-back-to-life/

If anyone knows about this boat, please comment back here or by replying to the Ravenswing blog post

Thanks good people!

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Hi all, Anton here, I have the prototype, I picked it up from Colorado a few years ago, but a bunch of family stuff happened, so I am just getting to work on the boat now. Thanks so much to Greg and all my other friends who showed up to help, kept us on task, and made it so much fun! I can't tell you how excited I am to be finally getting it together. 

The prototype has a 26' mast, while the production boats have a 31' mast, I think. Also the struts/akas/beams are round, whereas the production ones are oval at the end for torsional rigidity and strength. I would love the cahnce to see and measure a production boat sometime to compare, but I am going to just slap it together as fast and cheap as possible so I can sail it around a bit and find out if it has any fatal problems that got fixed in the production models. 

 

I anticipate a light, fast, hopefully well mannered boat, but we'll see, won't we? I am naming her Triple Zero, assuming the first production boat is 001 ;-)

 

I bought drawings from Pat, Thanks Pat!, but they are of the production boat only, alas. 

 

As Greg says, I would love to hear any stories about this boat, or its previous ownership if anyone knows anything. 

 

Anton

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IMG_1598.thumb.jpg.5e3a2e978b4c2ba1fc6c5e1ecc4e57af.jpgOn Seraphim (now Nada) we used a crane that fit into the daggerboard trunk and was supported by lines to three corners.  Always dramatic, but never had an accident.  Hervé may have a shot of the process on Youtube.  IMG_1599.thumb.jpg.a35119952c341e0b41beb984d6a20ca6.jpg

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Thanks for that, I saved those pics to my computer for later reference, AND ALSO TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM RIGHT SIDE UP! Can anyone tell me how to edit the photos for orientation? 

I googled it and didn't' come up with anything, but I am probably doing it wrong. 

 

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I like the stern on the prototype better than the stern on the production models.  I had friends with Vals and that low, flat stern makes getting on and off the boat real easy.

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On 7/21/2020 at 12:36 PM, mowgli said:

before you place the pictures you turn them on your PC, not in the forum.

They are in the correct orientation on my PC, do I have to rotate them to one rotation off so they load correctly here?

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@drivejunk images have additional information stored in what's called the "exif metadata". The exif metadata can store rotation (eg. 0°, 90°, etc) in addition to the unrotated image pixel data. Maybe sailing anarchy forums don't apply the exif metadata rotation (a bug in the software if that's the case).

I just ran into the same problem elsewhere and found that you can fix the image before uploading using https://www.onlineimagetool.com/en/rotate-png-jpg-webp-gif just select "auto" for rotation. 

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2 minutes ago, MichalD said:

Maybe sailing anarchy forums don't apply the exif metadata rotation (a bug in the software if that's the case).

The problem is and always has been Apple products.  Images from Macs/iPhones are frequently screwed up on forums and their owners are helpless in dealing with it.

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The broken image rotation has nothing to do with Apple products or Apple users. I suggest we move the image rotation discussion to the FAQ forum (linked below) where you will also see an explanation of the issue and an example from a Google android phone. 

 

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40 minutes ago, MichalD said:

The broken image rotation has nothing to do with Apple products or Apple users.

I do understand the issue but it happens only with iPhone pics, never Windows or Android, so there is a connection.  Very old quirk.

P.S.  The image in your FAQ reference appears sideways to me using Google Chrome browser on Windows 10.

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7 hours ago, ProaSailor said:

I do understand the issue but it happens only with iPhone pics, never Windows or Android, so there is a connection.  Very old quirk.

P.S.  The image in your FAQ reference appears sideways to me using Google Chrome browser on Windows 10.

Do you have knowledge of how to deal with it? I am in fact taking photos with an iPhone. I googled the problem and did not come up with anything useful, at least not in the fest 5 pages of search results...

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Ahh, much better =) cool project! 

How tall is the mast?

Your sails sit pretty high off the deck. I'm thinking it would be useful to get the clew of my jib higher off the deck to better control twist going upwind. The slope of the deck is pretty radical. Right now I can either (1) move the car up to reduce twist but run the clew into the car too soon or (2) move the car back and spill out the top. 

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19 hours ago, drivejunk said:

They are in the correct orientation on my PC, do I have to rotate them to one rotation off so they load correctly here?

Funny ... the same thing is happening to me... I've been posting here for many years and all of a sudden I cant post a straight pic.... frustrating

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3 hours ago, MichalD said:

Ahh, much better =) cool project! 

How tall is the mast?

Your sails sit pretty high off the deck. I'm thinking it would be useful to get the clew of my jib higher off the deck to better control twist going upwind. The slope of the deck is pretty radical. Right now I can either (1) move the car up to reduce twist but run the clew into the car too soon or (2) move the car back and spill out the top. 

Mast is 26' long. Other people who own the production version (this is the prototype) have made more of a deck-sweeper jib, presumably that gives them less air leakage out the bottom, and more power. 

The production model stock did not have the weird double bridle that my boat has, and in fact one person put the furler in a hole in the foredeck, but apparently did not use it to get the jib close to the foredeck. 

The white boat is stock, I think, and the yellow boat is the one with the furler in the hole. 

 

http://dicknewickboats.com/outrigger26/

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On 5/19/2020 at 6:28 AM, dclayman said:

13 were made.  I do not know if the prototype is included in that count.  It would be great if we could keep track of all and their owners or "boat husbands"  as Dick Newick called them.  We talked and he interviewed me when I bought sail # 8.  He likes to be sure all his "boat daughters"  have good "boat husbands" to care for them.

 

We have Ladybug, sail # 8  We are in Upstate NY near Schenectady. 

Sparky sail # ? is outside Toronto 

Seraphyn sail #? was on Lake Champlain then sold and moved to the south of France

Mini Moxie sail #? was in New Jersey or on Cayuga Lake in upstate NY

name & sail number unknown  in Sweden  

NnIsssoon sail # ? was in Quebec may have been brokered by the multihull source.

Prototype sail 1??  was in northern California and being restored

 Please contact me directly.  I have a lot of drawings, some mine, and some by Dick Newick to share.  I would like to make a list serve like a small F-boat group so we can help each other by comparing notes and restoration projects.

Dave

Owned by a man names Bjorn, he converted the boat to a rotating centerboard, because he sails in the Stockholm Skerries, which are shallow and full of rocks. I have his email, I could ask you for the hull number or the sail number if you wish. I would also be happy to ask him if he would mind if I gave him your email. He was talking about maybe selling it in 20-17 though, as he is getting old. 

 I have sailed an F24 a lot, which I must say is a fabulous boat, and has not only a kick up rudder but a centerboard, which makes it a bit idiot resistant. 

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Hello, Somersault 26 (or "Summer Salt" as Dick wrote on the plans) and Outrigger 26 fans.

I'm the owner of Nada, formerly Seraphim, Hull#10. I would have a lot to reply to previous posts. I know some of the forum contributors and boat owners.

I also tried to compile the boats built and get their sail numbers. So far, I identified 10 boats:

  1. Prototype in California
  2. Gold Rush
  3. Moonshine
  4. Sparky, outside Toronto (year "1984" in listings, though production is said to have started in 1987)
  5. Gulan, in Sweden  
  6. Wawaru, in the Netherlands
  7. NnIsssoon was in Quebec
  8. #8 Ladybug  in Upstate NY near Schenectady. 
  9. #10 Nada (ex Seraphim) in Brittany, France (1990)
  10. #11 Mini Moxie was in New Jersey (1991)

It's great to see the prototype being restored by Anton. Can't wait to see the boat afloat again.

If you want to see some (lots of) videos of an Outrigger 26 sailing, here's my webtv: https://canalzero.streamlike.tv/playlist.php?playlist=0-fbab9f9796ec126e&order=releasedate

Our racing season has started in France. We'll race the Multicup this weekend (we just got a Multi2000 rating), then the Golden Oldies Trophy and the Morbihan Challenge. I guess the video playlist will keep growing.

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On 7/23/2020 at 8:51 PM, drivejunk said:

Do you have knowledge of how to deal with it? I am in fact taking photos with an iPhone. I googled the problem and did not come up with anything useful, at least not in the fest 5 pages of search results...

Just upload the images to postimages.org or another img host and paste the direct link to the image in the body of a post here. They always have rotate tools if they happen to load wrong (pretty rare). Theforum software will display the image. No fucking around resizing files or hitting SA upload limits. You can also show very high res images that way.

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23 hours ago, waloo said:

Hello, Somersault 26 (or "Summer Salt" as Dick wrote on the plans) and Outrigger 26 fans.

I'm the owner of Nada, formerly Seraphim, Hull#10. I would have a lot to reply to previous posts. I know some of the forum contributors and boat owners.

I also tried to compile the boats built and get their sail numbers. So far, I identified 10 boats:

  1. Prototype in California
  2. Gold Rush
  3. Moonshine
  4. Sparky, outside Toronto (year "1984" in listings, though production is said to have started in 1987)
  5. Gulan, in Sweden  
  6. Wawaru, in the Netherlands
  7. NnIsssoon was in Quebec
  8. #8 Ladybug  in Upstate NY near Schenectady. 
  9. #10 Nada (ex Seraphim) in Brittany, France (1990)
  10. #11 Mini Moxie was in New Jersey (1991)

It's great to see the prototype being restored by Anton. Can't wait to see the boat afloat again.

If you want to see some (lots of) videos of an Outrigger 26 sailing, here's my webtv: https://canalzero.streamlike.tv/playlist.php?playlist=0-fbab9f9796ec126e&order=releasedate

Our racing season has started in France. We'll race the Multicup this weekend (we just got a Multi2000 rating), then the Golden Oldies Trophy and the Morbihan Challenge. I guess the video playlist will keep growing.

Je voulais venir en France pour rendre visite a des amis, et j'allais vous envoyer un message pour demander si je pourrais venir voir votre bateau, mais avec le pandemic, ça va etre un peut plus de temps...

 

Je m'excuse pour mon Français, ça fait des années que je ne l'utilise beaucoup. 

 

Anton

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3 hours ago, drivejunk said:

Je voulais venir en France pour rendre visite a des amis, et j'allais vous envoyer un message pour demander si je pourrais venir voir votre bateau, mais avec le pandemic, ça va etre un peut plus de temps...

 

Je m'excuse pour mon Français, ça fait des années que je ne l'utilise beaucoup. 

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I wanted to come to France to visit some friends, and I was going to send you a message to ask if I could come and see your boat, but with the pandemic, it will be a little longer ...

 

I apologize for my French, I haven't used it a lot for years.

 

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1 hour ago, Rasputin22 said:

Do you have any photos of QUICKSILVER from her new home in France?

I understand from previous posts that you knew Les Moore and have sailed on the boat. Would you know when exactly she was built / launched? 

Even better: would you have a copy of the NEMA newsletter that followed the March/April 1999 issue? It contained the second episode of Les Moore's story of Quicksilver.

Here's a video of QS I shot in 2017 : https://s.streamlike.com/xdguhb

QS has been significantly improved recently : new rudder under the (new) transom, new semi circular beam, new tiller, magnificent wardrobe... She sails better and faster than ever.

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1 minute ago, waloo said:

I understand from previous posts that you knew Les Moore and have sailed on the boat. Would you know when exactly she was built / launched? 

Even better: would you have a copy of the NEMA newsletter that followed the March/April 1999 issue? It contained the second episode of Les Moore's story of Quicksilver.

Here's a video of QS I shot in 2017 : https://s.streamlike.com/xdguhb

QS has been significantly improved recently : new rudder under the (new) transom, new semi circular beam, new tiller, magnificent wardrobe... She sails better and faster than ever.

http://www.multicoquesconsulting.com/en/multicoques/newick-quicksilver-40/

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This boat with a canoe stern was built by Leslie Moore and Mike Conley in Massachusetts in 1979. Designed for regattas in the USA, it raced for almost 20 years on the East Coast and participated in the Newport Bermuda Race multihull in 1979, 1981 and 1983. Race he won in 1983 in corrected time. Brought back to France in 1990, then sold to the current owner Michel Geoffroy in 2002, it was renovated in 2004 and 2016. (Inboard engine, bow thruster, mast, sails, rigging)

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     Still one of my favorite rides ever. I sailed on it the summer after the 1986 Carlsberg Two Star and then came back the next spring to build that big traveller horse across the back. Mike had come up with a Gougeon B mast that we fit to it with disappointing results. I was convinced that QUICKSILVER would be just the boat for me to do the OSTAR in 88 but not with that monster mast onboard. It turned the boat into a death trap even on the NEMA circuit and singlehanded in the TransAt would have been suicide... 

    I think  that aluminum spar in the photo was the original but it was stepped further aft originally and had a ribbon of a main sail with a backstay and a huge overlapping Genoa much like the Prout rig that never quite became popular back when the boat was built. 

    The mods as of now look great!

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Hello Outrigger/Somersault 26 owners.

I am Chris Harris, owner of Hull # 5, now known and repainted as Trinity (formerly Greylag). I bought & brought her down from 1,000 Islands area in Canada in 2001 and have been sailing her ever since on Lake Michigan out of Monroe Harbor in Chicago.

Noting the question about raising the mast; it takes 3 of us, using a cut down Hobie 16 mast and a special tool that slides into the mast track and tied off.

Was interested to see the videos of Nada in France. Be interested to see each boats' adaption. I have moved the tiller to above and behind the traveller to provide more cockpit space.

If anyone visits Chicago, be glad to take them out and compare notes. In the winter months I upgrade sails by using Sailrite to make up a sail kit and spend evenings stitching Dacron, very therapeutic! The paint job took 3 Springs/years - amas, hull, deck.

Regards, Chris

 

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It's great to hear of an Outrigger that was off the radar.

Speaking of adaptations, it appears several boats have moved the tiller above the transom. It seems to me it forces the helmsman to stay aft of the cockpit. I have noticed that moving weight forward has a dramatic effect on light air performance. This is why I added a folding extension to the tiller which can be fitted with a telescopic tiller extension at the forward end. When folded, it doesn't take any cockpit space. When unfolded, I can sit forward in the cockpit, on the upper benches (where I had the winches removed) or from the trampoline, with great visibility on the jib. I can also steer from the companionway if needed.

This setup is also great for steering while operating the outboard. It also keeps the autopilot inside the cockpit and doesn't mess up with the traveller or the main sheet.

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18 hours ago, Chris Harris said:

Hello Outrigger/Somersault 26 owners.

I am Chris Harris, owner of Hull # 5, now known and repainted as Trinity (formerly Greylag). I bought & brought her down from 1,000 Islands area in Canada in 2001 and have been sailing her ever since on Lake Michigan out of Monroe Harbor in Chicago.

Noting the question about raising the mast; it takes 3 of us, using a cut down Hobie 16 mast and a special tool that slides into the mast track and tied off.

Was interested to see the videos of Nada in France. Be interested to see each boats' adaption. I have moved the tiller to above and behind the traveller to provide more cockpit space.

If anyone visits Chicago, be glad to take them out and compare notes. In the winter months I upgrade sails by using Sailrite to make up a sail kit and spend evenings stitching Dacron, very therapeutic! The paint job took 3 Springs/years - amas, hull, deck.

Regards, Chris

 

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Congrats! Lookin' good...

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Rudderhelm with “elevated” end to stick out above cockpit coaming so as to have a direct line for a long joystick while

sitting on the outrigger during racing.

Line under helm in combination with rubber at both ends slips , but friction holds the helm in the last position...

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Does anyone have pictures or a sketch of how the rudder linkage is setup beneath deck? Katchka (ex. Sparky) has the tiller running above deck just short of the traveller which is awkward during tacks. 

I was thinking of either retuning the linkage like the original design or raising the traveller to have the tiller pass through it. It would need to be a pretty beefy track for that though. 

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7 hours ago, MichalD said:

Does anyone have pictures or a sketch of how the rudder linkage is setup beneath deck? Katchka (ex. Sparky) has the tiller running above deck just short of the traveller which is awkward during tacks. 

I was thinking of either retuning the linkage like the original design or raising the traveller to have the tiller pass through it. It would need to be a pretty beefy track for that though. 

Originally, the connecting rod went through a banana shaped hole in the transom and the rudder axis wasn't vertical. There is a gutter inside so that any water coming in through the hole (a significant amount in some conditions..) would flow back and not flood the transom.

I verticalized the axis and kept the whole system, with a gusset preventing any water intake.

The setup remains very simple, with the tiller axis only inches aft of the cockpit, under the deck and a connecting rod of adjustable length.

 

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Thats really nice work.  Would it simplify life to use an inverted V mainsheet system like I have on my L7?  Then a nice long tiller and away you go!

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Mundt: that sounds like a practical solution, I like it! 

Waloo: great diagrams! I'm assuming that the light red line in the last pic is a rod with bearings top and bottom? Is the banana shape cutout required because of the motion of the tiller/rudder arms? 

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5 hours ago, mundt said:

Thats really nice work.  Would it simplify life to use an inverted V mainsheet system like I have on my L7?  Then a nice long tiller and away you go!

Moxie had a double mainsheet too. It's simple and light and it allows a long tiller indeed. The problem I see is that you can't make tight turns if the axis of the tiller is too far back. That's why I prefer the distant control with a connecting rod or cables (like most Newick and Greene designs).

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4 hours ago, MichalD said:

Mundt: that sounds like a practical solution, I like it! 

Waloo: great diagrams! I'm assuming that the light red line in the last pic is a rod with bearings top and bottom? Is the banana shape cutout required because of the motion of the tiller/rudder arms? 

It's not a rod. It's a bolt that sticks down from a plate mounted underneath the deck, with a bearing. It means the tiller axis and its arm on port side are higher that the arm mounted on the port side of the rudder case. This is why the hole in the transom had this banana shape. Remember that the rudder axis used to be inclined. When the tiller was pushed to starboard, the back arm would go down and in. When pushed to port, it would go up and in. 
A vertical rod for the tiller axis would be a good solution, with the arm mounted at the same level as the arm on the rudder case. With a verticalized rudder axis, the opening in the transom would be reduced to a short horizontal slot.

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13 hours ago, waloo said:

Moxie had a double mainsheet too.

Moxie had both a conventional traveler on the aft crossbeam and a pair of "vangs" leading from the boom end outboard to the ama sterns and back to cockpit winches on either side.  The actual mainsheet connected to the traveler car led forward inside the boom and down to the deck at the mast, then to a winch on the port side.  The "vangs" were FANSTASTIC for securing the boom in any position, acting as mainsheets, traveler controls and jibe preventers.  I don't recall any other controls for positioning the traveler car?  It found its own position based on the vangs and mainsheet tension.  Wonderful system, awesome boat!

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38 minutes ago, ProaSailor said:

Moxie had both a conventional traveler on the aft crossbeam and a pair of "vangs" leading from the boom end outboard to the ama sterns and back to cockpit winches on either side.  The actual mainsheet connected to the traveler car led forward inside the boom and down to the deck at the mast, then to a winch on the port side.  The "vangs" were FANSTASTIC for securing the boom in any position, acting as mainsheets, traveler controls and jibe preventers.  I don't recall any other controls for positioning the traveler car?  It found its own position based on the vangs and mainsheet tension.  Wonderful system, awesome boat!

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Moxie sort of inspired me to use an extra sheet / outhaul to open the boom angle, yet keep the leech tight. It prevents the boom from moving up and down and makes up for a traveler rail that is a bit short.

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Hi all, just giving an update on the prototype, which I have named Triple Zero. The hull before hull #1, get it? 

With the generous and copious help of friends, we put it together with scrounged junk, borrowed jib, hacked the trailer back together in order to test it out to find out if it's actually a good boat. Because it is a prototype, and significantly different than the production version, I wanted to be sure it did not have any fatal flaws before I spent a lot of time and money on it. Turns out it is a fabulous boat! Goes upwind, reaches at 15 easily, and once I rejiggered the dagger and the rudder a bit, tacks well. It is fairly well balanced, though the borrowed jib is a bit small. With the old-school, low volume amas, I used the first reef on the main a lot in winds of 12-20, and it is quite well balanced like that. I plan to sail it for a season before buying new sails. I figure I want to get to know the boat better before I do any changes to the rig and spend a ton of money on new sails. The furler is very high up, and could be pushed forward a bit, the idea being to get some more sail area up front. The mast is only 26', while the production boats' masts are 31', I think. Are they very tender? The original main is OK, and the jib is new, if less than perfectly suited for this boat. It's actually from a Potter 19! It weighs less than 1,400Lbs with the outboard and a small amount of gear including an anchor. The main hull weighs less than 1,00Lbs, and is easy to turn over by hand with two people. If anyone has a 30' carbon wing mast lying around, let me know :-)

I made a crane on the front of the trailer, and a demountable, super high mast crutch on the back, allowing single-handed mast raising without a gin pole or special side stay gear. I modified the mast pin so that it acts as a hinge for raising. The boat is currently upside-down in my yard for fairing: there are spots that are up to 1/4" low, and while I have taken the high spots down a little bit, I am putting on a bunch of fairing compound. I hope it makes it faster :-) I plan to make a second halyard for a spin, and use a symmetrical one I have from a Cal 20, about the right size, I'll have to see it if's a useful shape at all. 

 

I hope to have it in the water before month's end. You can start holding your breath now. 

 

 

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It's great to see Triple Zero sailing. She's actually very elegant on the water while she looked a bit rough on the trailer compared to the production model. Get her rid of the Waterworld look with a fresh paint and she will be turning heads. Well, at least she will when you start catching up on other boats, which should be most of the time.
You may not need a taller mast if you get new sails. Add some sail area with a square top main, get a bigger jib, move the tack forward and down and you'll be light and fast.
The work pays off.
Well done Anton!

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I you want to try out some H18 sails, I have a few sets in a range of conditions (including a laminate square head), and an extra mast. I'd be happy to loan them out. I also have a Tiger, but I'm a little more protective of those sails. :p

IIRC H16 had a 26.5' mast, H18 was 28, Tiger was 29.5, and H20 was 31. What's the diameter and section width of your mast?

Randii

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2 hours ago, randii said:

I you want to try out some H18 sails, I have a few sets in a range of conditions (including a laminate square head), and an extra mast. I'd be happy to loan them out. I also have a Tiger, but I'm a little more protective of those sails. :p

IIRC H16 had a 26.5' mast, H18 was 28, Tiger was 29.5, and H20 was 31. What's the diameter and section width of your mast?

Randii

When you are ready to try out a spin; I have a spare 30' luff with furler you can use (even has sheets and ratchet blocks).   Only 55% SMG, so more of a reacher than a deep vmg spin.  But it should help you figure out rigging and other stuff.   You should ask other owners how they supported the sprits on theirs.  

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11 hours ago, waloo said:

It's great to see Triple Zero sailing. The work pays off.
Well done Anton!

I get the 000, but maybe you should name it Lazarus cuz you brought it back from the dead.

Great job! I'll see ya out on the bay.

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9 hours ago, MultiThom said:

  You should ask other owners how they supported the sprits on theirs.  

You were speaking of getting rid of the bridle for the jib...a good piece of gear from a windrider 17 is a bow chainplate with a hole built in for a sprit to go through.  If you were planning on a deck mounted sprit, this might be something to consider...https://www.nickelsboatworks.com/products/windrider-17-reacher-chainplate

It is a bit pricey for a chainplate, though. 

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On 4/16/2021 at 4:36 PM, waloo said:

A little family album...

Did I miss any siblings?

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Hello!

Since I've been waiting for my sailing anarchy profile to be accepted you have probably missed my Trean, formerly Gulan during Björn Enqvist's ownership, located in the Stockholm Archipelago in Sweden. It's Hull number six, rebuilt to have a pivoting centerboard.

Thank's for a very interesting thread! Could we have some kind of group, us owners? On facebook or slack for example.

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13 hours ago, EmilNilsson said:

Hello!

Since I've been waiting for my sailing anarchy profile to be accepted you have probably missed my Trean, formerly Gulan during Björn Enqvist's ownership, located in the Stockholm Archipelago in Sweden. It's Hull number six, rebuilt to have a pivoting centerboard.

Thank's for a very interesting thread! Could we have some kind of group, us owners? On facebook or slack for example.

Hello,

I didn't miss Trean. She's third in my family album if you count Triple Zero as zero... I didn't know/remember her hull number, though I have lots of information on her ;-)

She's the only Outrigger with a pivoting centerboard, a self tacking jib and a jib tack at the end of the bow. The outboard mounted on starboard is unique too.

If you don't mind a long drive to Brittany, it would be great to have you on the Morbihan Challenge late in August! There will be Farriers, Dragonflys, Tricats, a Multi 23 and more. Our Outriggers could kick show that Newick designs rule!

Hervé

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5 hours ago, waloo said:

Hello,

I didn't miss Trean. She's third in my family album if you count Triple Zero as zero... I didn't know/remember her hull number, though I have lots of information on her ;-)

She's the only Outrigger with a pivoting centerboard, a self tacking jib and a jib tack at the end of the bow. The outboard mounted on starboard is unique too.

If you don't mind a long drive to Brittany, it would be great to have you on the Morbihan Challenge late in August! There will be Farriers, Dragonflys, Tricats, a Multi 23 and more. Our Outriggers could kick show that Newick designs rule!

Hervé

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That picture is the reason I wrote "probably" it looked like my boat, but I wasn't sure. now that I see it in a larger scale, the swedish flag makes it obvious, also I recognize my screetcher! I would love to come to Brittany but I'm afraid I couldn't bring my boat that far. Hopefully I will be doing the Fastnet race on another boat though and then I guess I could come by, now that it finishes in Normandy.

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10 hours ago, Russell Brown said:

That last shot is a great photo!

Thanks! It's quite easy to take great pictures of a Somersault 26 in such a beautiful location as the Stockholm archipelago!

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