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Massive racial protest, turned culture war, during a 100 year pandemic, crashed economy, massive unemployment, scorn of the world, socialist bail outs, record debt... 

At this very moment in America you can walk out your door and get a virus and tear gassed at the exact same time, but wearing a mask is oppression.

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4 minutes ago, Mike G said:

If Hillary was president today would be just  Saturday. 

I mean who got massive racial unrest in the middle of a global pandemic for $1000 Alex?

I don't think any President could be ready for this, but we got this guy????  JFC!

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3 minutes ago, Swimsailor said:

Are we great yet? If the health of a nation is anyone's gauge for a President,  Trump is a complete and abject failure.  

Never knew so much winning could be such a bitch.

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He had 100 courses he could have taken, 50 leading to ending division and bringing people together via sympathy and understanding and compassion, and the other

50 dividing the country and causing distrust, hate, and more anger.

It's obvious what choice he made.

He's not a leader, and he's WAY over his head.

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9 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

I mean who got massive racial unrest in the middle of a global pandemic for $1000 Alex?

I don't think any President could be ready for this, but we got this guy????  JFC!

I expected the unrest at some point, but the timing with the pandemic was an outlier.

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3 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

What control over a Minneapolis Police Officer does the POTUS have?

Looks like he's ordered a federal civil rights investigation so far.

Anybody got an org chart?

Does anybody... you, for example... believe that anything is going to result from this?

Trump encouraged cops to beat up suspects. Widespread rioting is the easily predictable result.

What I don't understand is why so many cops themselves seem to buy into this mentality.

- DSK

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6 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

What control over a Minneapolis Police Officer does the POTUS have?

Looks like he's ordered a federal civil rights investigation so far.

Anybody got an org chart?

Do you not understand stochastic terrorism?

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9 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Does anybody... you, for example... believe that anything is going to result from this?

Trump encouraged cops to beat up suspects. Widespread rioting is the easily predictable result.

What I don't understand is why so many cops themselves seem to buy into this mentality.

- DSK

I don't think it a case of cops buying into it, although the macho shit is an obvious problem. I think it is more a matter of who wants to be a cop - people who want to show how tough they are and get to carry a gun. People who are responsible for selecting candidates tend to want to replicate who they are so it is self-perpetuating.  The whole culture of policing has to change - the uniforms, the equipment used, the militaristic nature of much of it now.

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8 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Does anybody... you, for example... believe that anything is going to result from this?

Trump encouraged cops to beat up suspects. Widespread rioting is the easily predictable result.

What I don't understand is why so many cops themselves seem to buy into this mentality.

- DSK

:unsure:

Really? Any job supervising kids attracts pedophiles. Any job that gives you nearly unlimited authority to beat and kill people attracts people who want to do just that.

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4 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:
19 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

What I don't understand is why so many cops themselves seem to buy into this mentality.

 

:unsure:

Really? Any job supervising kids attracts pedophiles. Any job that gives you nearly unlimited authority to beat and kill people attracts people who want to do just that.

True enough, but IMHO that's still a minority of all that are attracted to the job. And a lot of education goes into making a police officer, hopefully learning that you can't beat people into submission in the long run, is a very simple lesson that should sink in somewhere along the line. But with the extremely bad example of President Bone Spurs at the top, you can't expect the worst of them to shine or the best of them to rise.

- DSK

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42 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Well, yeah on MSNBC.

Little don has been yelling fire in a crowded theater.  He should have been called on it by everyone.  But he was defended by numnuts like you.

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1 hour ago, Saorsa said:

What control over a Minneapolis Police Officer does the POTUS have?

Looks like he's ordered a federal civil rights investigation so far.

Anybody got an org chart?

How is it that you are this stupid and still able to type words?

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3 hours ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

I don't think it a case of cops buying into it, although the macho shit is an obvious problem. I think it is more a matter of who wants to be a cop - people who want to show how tough they are and get to carry a gun. People who are responsible for selecting candidates tend to want to replicate who they are so it is self-perpetuating.  The whole culture of policing has to change - the uniforms, the equipment used, the militaristic nature of much of it now.

Sorry Bruce but that is bullshit.

My son is a Mountie and exactly none of that applies to him - or his colleagues.

When we went to his graduation at Depot there was one of his class missing. When they were putting on their red serge for the ceremonies he was overheard to say (paraphrased) "I can't wait to get out there and start knocking heads".

He was terminated on the spot - the afternoon of graduation day.

The phrase "Serve and Protect" is what draws the vast majority of people to the job.

There are about 700,000 police officers in the USA and about 70,000 in Canada.

How many are involved in incidents remotely like this?

How many are killed on the job?

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1 minute ago, SloopJonB said:

Sorry Bruce but that is bullshit.

My son is a Mountie and exactly none of that applies to him - or his colleagues.

When we went to his graduation at Depot there was one of his class missing. When they were putting on their red serge for the ceremonies he was overheard to say (paraphrased) "I can't wait to get out there and start knocking heads".

He was terminated on the spot - the afternoon of graduation day.

The phrase "Serve and Protect" is what draws the vast majority of people to the job.

I think things in Canada are quite a bit different from the current situation in the USA. Totally different mindset.

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11 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Sorry Bruce but that is bullshit.

My son is a Mountie and exactly none of that applies to him - or his colleagues.

When we went to his graduation at Depot there was one of his class missing. When they were putting on their red serge for the ceremonies he was overheard to say (paraphrased) "I can't wait to get out there and start knocking heads".

He was terminated on the spot - the afternoon of graduation day.

The phrase "Serve and Protect" is what draws the vast majority of people to the job.

There are about 700,000 police officers in the USA and about 70,000 in Canada.

How many are involved in incidents remotely like this?

How many are killed on the job?

This is the most Canadian response ever.  And I like it.

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The RCMP might be better than many USA police departments, but they have not quite made it to sainthood yet:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/05/17/rcmp-video-brings-home-reality-in-a-visceral-way-says-former-trc-chairman.html

In the video, the officer can be heard asking her questions, including whether she was “at all turned on ... even a little bit” during the abuse she is describing.The young woman replies that she was not, adding she was “really scared.”The apparent attitudes and techniques on display in the video were profoundly outdated, offensive and wrong, Goodale added, stressing the RCMP and all police forces must work continuously to conduct themselves appropriately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_the_Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police

The list might be shorter than average, but they, like pretty much every other police agency, get some of the wrong people in there.

Here is one cruising the jail for dates :rolleyes:

Mountie takes woman home from jail

In 2011, a northern Manitoba RCMP officer took an intoxicated woman he had arrested out of a cell and to his home to "pursue a personal relationship." Several of his colleagues witnessed this but only two reported it. The constable admitted to the allegations, got a reprimand and lost pay for seven days. The Nisichawayasihk Cree Nation has called for an independent investigation.[32][33]

The bolded part is the issue with reforming ANY police department. The cops are not at all unlike the mafia in one way, they value group loyalty and abhor a snitch.

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26 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

The RCMP might be better than many USA police departments, but they have not quite made it to sainthood yet:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/05/17/rcmp-video-brings-home-reality-in-a-visceral-way-says-former-trc-chairman.html

In the video, the officer can be heard asking her questions, including whether she was “at all turned on ... even a little bit” during the abuse she is describing.The young woman replies that she was not, adding she was “really scared.”The apparent attitudes and techniques on display in the video were profoundly outdated, offensive and wrong, Goodale added, stressing the RCMP and all police forces must work continuously to conduct themselves appropriately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_the_Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police

The list might be shorter than average, but they, like pretty much every other police agency, get some of the wrong people in there.

Here is one cruising the jail for dates :rolleyes:

Mountie takes woman home from jail

In 2011, a northern Manitoba RCMP officer took an intoxicated woman he had arrested out of a cell and to his home to "pursue a personal relationship." Several of his colleagues witnessed this but only two reported it. The constable admitted to the allegations, got a reprimand and lost pay for seven days. The Nisichawayasihk Cree Nation has called for an independent investigation.[32][33]

The bolded part is the issue with reforming ANY police department. The cops are not at all unlike the mafia in one way, they value group loyalty and abhor a snitch.

Your right, there are plenty of examples of RCMP and Canadian city police being bad and stupid humans. There is always a few bad apples.

The real question is,  How do you manage this position of authority, to avoid the bad actors that want in or get in ?

 

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1 hour ago, Keith said:
1 hour ago, kent_island_sailor said:

The RCMP might be better than many USA police departments, but they have not quite made it to sainthood yet:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/05/17/rcmp-video-brings-home-reality-in-a-visceral-way-says-former-trc-chairman.html

In the video, the officer can be heard asking her questions, including whether she was “at all turned on ... even a little bit” during the abuse she is describing.The young woman replies that she was not, adding she was “really scared.”The apparent attitudes and techniques on display in the video were profoundly outdated, offensive and wrong, Goodale added, stressing the RCMP and all police forces must work continuously to conduct themselves appropriately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_the_Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police

The list might be shorter than average, but they, like pretty much every other police agency, get some of the wrong people in there.

Here is one cruising the jail for dates :rolleyes:

Mountie takes woman home from jail

In 2011, a northern Manitoba RCMP officer took an intoxicated woman he had arrested out of a cell and to his home to "pursue a personal relationship." Several of his colleagues witnessed this but only two reported it. The constable admitted to the allegations, got a reprimand and lost pay for seven days. The Nisichawayasihk Cree Nation has called for an independent investigation.[32][33]

The bolded part is the issue with reforming ANY police department. The cops are not at all unlike the mafia in one way, they value group loyalty and abhor a snitch.

Your right, there are plenty of examples of RCMP and Canadian city police being bad and stupid humans. There is always a few bad apples.

The real question is,  How do you manage this position of authority, to avoid the bad actors that want in or get in ?

Or get jaded during the course of their careers?

I believe it is very common for idealistic young person to join the military, become a firefighter, or a police officer, and go thru all the demanding schools & training with the idea that "I am going to use my powers on the side of GOOD!" Then as they see less than perfectly honest comrades/peers/mentors, are exposed to some of the shittiness of the average citizen (and cops do not see people at their finest), and slowly they acquire the attitude that there are no innocent citizens, just ones that haven't been caught.

That plus the attitude that they can do anything they want, is sure to corrupt.

This is a shame but I also think it's part of human nature. We need to be able to rotate cops once in a while to some kind of place where the citizens are good and appreciate them, as a break and as an attitude refresher.

- DSK

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