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This boat has been in our marina on the lake for a couple of decades. Poor girl just continues to disintegrate. I can't believe it hasn't sunk as it's always been open to the weather. There is at least a foot of standing water in it everytime I look. 

Any idea what kind of boat? Someone was pretty sure it was a custom Columbia racer. I saw no markings at all. 

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Heritage one ton. I'm 99% sure that's my dad's old boat from the 70s - it not only has the blue Treadmaster (rubberized cork deck) that I personally cut and applied to the deck as a teenager, but I recognize the Swifter hydraulic backstay adjuster (unusual at the time but very cool). Those are the original Merriman jibsheet leads too.

It was originally a color Charlie Morgan told us was called 'Armadillo Yellow', and had a 9" wide electric blue stripe at the deck.

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Ok - make that 100%. This is my dad's boat in 77 or 78 at the first Atlantic City race week - photo from the committee boat, pretty sure we won our class. That's me driving, with my brother the blond on the weather rail looking back and my dad just to his right in his beloved Peter Storm sweater. The treadmaster was a work in progress at the time (we added the additional pieces later on that summer), but you can see the seams on what's there exactly match the photos above, plus in the 5th photo you can see the yellow under the blue where the dock line has chafed it. We won a lot of races on that thing - it was a beast.

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Seeing this was like having an acid flashback! I was literally just talking about this boat (and wtf might've happened to it) with a buddy a few weeks ago, and we did a google search but came up with nothing. My dad sold it in '81 I think - the C&C 41 that came after it had nowhere near the same mojo.

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1 minute ago, P_Wop said:

That bloody Treadmaster in the 70s.  

Quite a few racer-chasers complained of "Treadmaster bum" after nocturnal liasons.

Hahaha..tell me about it! I did a fair number of deliveries on that thing, so pretty much every part of the deck and interior were thoroughly 'tested' in that regard. But the traction was awesome even with that domed foredeck.

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1 hour ago, surfsailor said:

Ok - make that 100%. This is my dad's boat in 77 or 78 at the first Atlantic City race week - photo from the committee boat, pretty sure we won our class. That's me driving, with my brother the blond on the weather rail looking back and my dad just to his right in his beloved Peter Storm sweater. The treadmaster was a work in progress at the time (we added the additional pieces later on that summer), but you can see the seams on what's there exactly match the photos above, plus in the 5th photo you can see the yellow under the blue where the dock line has chafed it. We won a lot of races on that thing - it was a beast.

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Great Post. Great photo. 

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sorry to see such a great boat shot out like that.
 

Thanks for mentioning Atlantic City Race Week. I raced on a C&C 36 as a teenager in 1980 and someone on here said there was no ACRWeek. I had fun times there and my only vivid memory of that time was being really sick one night and not going to dinner, etc with the others. Big Chip and smelly Donna figured it would be fun to sneak back aboard and make the beast with two backs in the bow stateroom while I tried to pretend to be asleep. He was grunting like a pig and she was howling like she was being killed. I saw him in the locker room before a shower and I know why she was howling, he needed three shoes!

 

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13 hours ago, surfsailor said:

Heritage one ton. I'm 99% sure that's my dad's old boat from the 70s - it not only has the blue Treadmaster (rubberized cork deck) that I personally cut and applied to the deck as a teenager, but I recognize the Swifter hydraulic backstay adjuster (unusual at the time but very cool). Those are the original Merriman jibsheet leads too.

It was originally a color Charlie Morgan told us was called 'Armadillo Yellow', and had a 9" wide electric blue stripe at the deck.

I would agree

My friend owned Vaduz  

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2 hours ago, jesposito said:

I would agree

My friend owned Vaduz  

Though it seems resolved (sorry to see current condition), sure looks like a Heritage.  I raced on a northern Lake Michigan Heritage in the first "modern era" Chicago Mac record breaker - '87.  Pied Piper in 28 or 29 hours if I remember right, and that was before the Santa Cruz 70's became Great Lakes 70's. Downhill the whole way, rocking and rolling up the lake.  2 guys on the tiller for a good portion of the run.  Long time ago, but I think we were even in right around bar time Sunday night. 

Wish I could find a copy of a documentary partially filmed on our boat.  PBS did a show and we had a camera guy shooting footage.  Had a VHS copy way back, but loaned it out one too many times long ago and never got it back.

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37 minutes ago, BayRacer said:

Though it seems resolved (sorry to see current condition), sure looks like a Heritage.  I raced on a northern Lake Michigan Heritage in the first "modern era" Chicago Mac record breaker - '87.  Pied Piper in 28 or 29 hours if I remember right, and that was before the Santa Cruz 70's became Great Lakes 70's. Downhill the whole way, rocking and rolling up the lake.  2 guys on the tiller for a good portion of the run.  Long time ago, but I think we were even in right around bar time Sunday night. 

Wish I could find a copy of a documentary partially filmed on our boat.  PBS did a show and we had a camera guy shooting footage.  Had a VHS copy way back, but loaned it out one too many times long ago and never got it back.

The Shadow? 

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39 minutes ago, BayRacer said:

Though it seems resolved (sorry to see current condition), sure looks like a Heritage.  I raced on a northern Lake Michigan Heritage in the first "modern era" Chicago Mac record breaker - '87.  Pied Piper in 28 or 29 hours if I remember right, and that was before the Santa Cruz 70's became Great Lakes 70's. Downhill the whole way, rocking and rolling up the lake.  2 guys on the tiller for a good portion of the run.  Long time ago, but I think we were even in right around bar time Sunday night. 

Wish I could find a copy of a documentary partially filmed on our boat.  PBS did a show and we had a camera guy shooting footage.  Had a VHS copy way back, but loaned it out one too many times long ago and never got it back.

it was 28 I think and you made it to the ladies in waiting party Sunday afternoon.  seem to remember that you also wore sail ties to the bash as ties were required at that Dounton abby esque party...  You passed us (ericson 39) off of frigging Waukegan...   :P  

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37 minutes ago, BayRacer said:

Though it seems resolved (sorry to see current condition), sure looks like a Heritage.  I raced on a northern Lake Michigan Heritage in the first "modern era" Chicago Mac record breaker - '87.  Pied Piper in 28 or 29 hours if I remember right, and that was before the Santa Cruz 70's became Great Lakes 70's. Downhill the whole way, rocking and rolling up the lake.  2 guys on the tiller for a good portion of the run.  Long time ago, but I think we were even in right around bar time Sunday night. 

Wish I could find a copy of a documentary partially filmed on our boat.  PBS did a show and we had a camera guy shooting footage.  Had a VHS copy way back, but loaned it out one too many times long ago and never got it back.

Piper in 25-ish hours. Lots of boats finished before midnight Sunday.  You race on Slot Machine?

I think the documentary had some Heart of America involvement - they also filmed on Invictus (G&S 45) which was chartered to the HOA group.

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1 minute ago, JoeO said:

Piper in 25-ish hours. Lots of boats finished before midnight Sunday.  You race on Slot Machine?

I think the documentary had some Heart of America involvement - they also filmed on Invictus (G&S 45) which was chartered to the HOA group.

The Heritage I was on was Conspiracy.  The boat was owned by a group of Green Bay area guys, couple attorneys and business guys.  The camera guy was a Green Bay public TV guy.  Not sure any of those guys are still sailing.  I was in college.  The boat was still around 8-10 years ago, but lost track of it.  There was a picture of it in its heyday in the photo thread that a guy named Larry had going years ago. 

Don't really recall what time we finished, some of those years tend to blend together.  If we averaged 8 or 9 that would have got us in around 10PM or so.  Used to have a pile of those printed booklets, but not sure if they are still in box somewhere.  25 hours would have put Piper in around 4PMish (or 5ish eastern).

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8 hours ago, Sail4beer said:

sorry to see such a great boat shot out like that.
 

Thanks for mentioning Atlantic City Race Week. I raced on a C&C 36 as a teenager in 1980 and someone on here said there was no ACRWeek. I had fun times there and my only vivid memory of that time was being really sick one night and not going to dinner, etc with the others. Big Chip and smelly Donna figured it would be fun to sneak back aboard and make the beast with two backs in the bow stateroom while I tried to pretend to be asleep. He was grunting like a pig and she was howling like she was being killed. I saw him in the locker room before a shower and I know why she was howling, he needed three shoes!

 

Me too - I lived and breathed that boat for 3 years, from the moment she first rolled into Atlantic Highlands Municipal Marina with all the deck hardware in boxes until my dad sold her. 

The first 2 Atlantic City race weeks - before they figured out what cheap bastards the sailing crowd actually were/are, and when the mob money was fresh and being laundered in copious amounts with our current POTUS as the front - were absolutely epic....free open bars on the dock after the racing, and the first year we got some kind of high roller passes for the casinos that led to some serious late night carnage. How long did they continue to run the event?

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4 hours ago, jesposito said:

I would agree

My friend owned Vaduz  

I remember Vaduz. There was also Scamp up in Raritan Bay - the story was they had to break the boat out of the factory in the middle of the night because Charley Morgan was in full bankruptcy meltdown. That one had a custom Stearns rig, and later got a new keel designed by Chance.

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4 hours ago, surfsailor said:

How long did they continue to run the event?

It was done by the late 80’s when the recession hit. 
 

Manasquan tri sail was good for a few years before the big boats disappeared. 

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Heritage one ton... I did bow on one for a season.  That friggin pointy bow with rounded foredeck really sucked.  Every maneuver was a challenge.  I feel fortunate I didn't end up overboard on that thing.

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On 6/15/2020 at 6:53 PM, surfsailor said:

Ok - make that 100%. This is my dad's boat in 77 or 78 at the first Atlantic City race week - photo from the committee boat, pretty sure we won our class. That's me driving, with my brother the blond on the weather rail looking back and my dad just to his right in his beloved Peter Storm sweater. The treadmaster was a work in progress at the time (we added the additional pieces later on that summer), but you can see the seams on what's there exactly match the photos above, plus in the 5th photo you can see the yellow under the blue where the dock line has chafed it. We won a lot of races on that thing - it was a beast.

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Shit, 17 minutes to find the original owner......way better than some of Scots ‘what is it’

this place is pretty amazing!

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26 minutes ago, Mudsailor said:

Shit, 17 minutes to find the original owner......way better than some of Scots ‘what is it’

this place is pretty amazing!

Outstanding job.  Keep it up.   That's why we like this place.

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On 6/15/2020 at 6:53 PM, surfsailor said:

Ok - make that 100%. This is my dad's boat in 77 or 78 at the first Atlantic City race week - photo from the committee boat, pretty sure we won our class. That's me driving, with my brother the blond on the weather rail looking back and my dad just to his right in his beloved Peter Storm sweater. The treadmaster was a work in progress at the time (we added the additional pieces later on that summer), but you can see the seams on what's there exactly match the photos above, plus in the 5th photo you can see the yellow under the blue where the dock line has chafed it. We won a lot of races on that thing - it was a beast.

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Is that Waldo with a beard in the cockpit? Is he serving drinks? Looks almost photoshopped. is that a reefer in his hand? Or a Sherman's?

Classic 1970's sailplan. Dacron 2 reef main, w/one tucked in. And a reefable 110% dacron jib, high clew.

I went through Atlantic City in '75, on a delivery. Hinkley forty on our way Florida/ SW Harbor. 

Atlantic city was bombed out shell of a town. We tied up at some pier, and wandered the town, and boardwalk. 

April, or early May, was an abandoned city. Apocalyptic.

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4 minutes ago, jhc said:

Atlantic city was bombed out shell of a town. We tied up at some pier, and wandered the town, and boardwalk. 

April, or early May, was an abandoned city. Apocalyptic.

to blocks in frome bordewalkle awayes looked thet waye.

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16 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

to blocks in frome bordewalkle awayes looked thet waye.

Then, or now?

Haven't been back...

I no I shoudente saye alwayes,butte alwayes is the rite ansere.                  :)

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1 hour ago, jhc said:

Is that Waldo with a beard in the cockpit? Is he serving drinks? Looks almost photoshopped. is that a reefer in his hand? Or a Sherman's?

Classic 1970's sailplan. Dacron 2 reef main, w/one tucked in. And a reefable 110% dacron jib, high clew.

I went through Atlantic City in '75, on a delivery. Hinkley forty on our way Florida/ SW Harbor. 

Atlantic city was bombed out shell of a town. We tied up at some pier, and wandered the town, and boardwalk. 

April, or early May, was an abandoned city. Apocalyptic.

That's a guy named Don Schwatz, I had a great time sailing with him on his Morgan 27, I think he might've picked up a Heritage a few years later. Everyone had waldo polo shirts (and fucking corduroys )in the 70s. This must be just after the finish - the flag always went down with the main hoist, and then back up right before the line - so for sure the Heineken and Captain Morgans is flowing.  I think that's actually a 130% reefable #2, the 110 blade had a low clew. The #2 was only for reaching, kind of an uprange starcut - upwind we'd go straight from the heavy #1 to the #3. This boat was a beast to steer in any direction below a close reach, and we'd have two guys on each side of the tiller for heavy downwind work, but it was still amazingly fast. 

Atlantic city was a bombed out shell back then, but from what I here it's worse now. IIRC, the first Atlantic City RW coincided with the last year of the diving horse on the steel pier, but it was the 70s so...

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2 hours ago, surfsailor said:

Everyone had waldo polo shirts 

 

1 hour ago, Snaggletooth said:

rugbey/rugger shirtes                                 :)

But Snaggs, whilst everyone was festooned in said Rugby Shirts, were you wearing Leopard Spots????? (or just on the Dancefloor?)

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18 hours ago, surfsailor said:

I remember Vaduz. There was also Scamp up in Raritan Bay - the story was they had to break the boat out of the factory in the middle of the night because Charley Morgan was in full bankruptcy meltdown. That one had a custom Stearns rig, and later got a new keel designed by Chance.

Scamp was one of the coolest looking boats back then

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20 hours ago, JoeO said:

Piper in 25-ish hours. Lots of boats finished before midnight Sunday.  You race on Slot Machine?

I think the documentary had some Heart of America involvement - they also filmed on Invictus (G&S 45) which was chartered to the HOA group.

I dragged Eric's boss out in I believe '96 and Eric loaned him the Invictus FWG.  It was the year you blew out the main.  Two years later we bare boated in Tonga for a week which crushed that year's Mac. I miss Eric, had a huge heart.

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On 6/16/2020 at 3:19 AM, P_Wop said:

That bloody Treadmaster in the 70s.  

Quite a few racer-chasers complained of "Treadmaster bum" after nocturnal liasons.

It wasn’t too good on the knees either. :rolleyes::P

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On 6/16/2020 at 11:53 PM, Snaggletooth said:

to blocks in frome bordewalkle awayes looked thet waye.

remember after HS graduation in 76 getting dressed into suits in a parking lot to go into the casino's ..   beaches up north were nicer, if you didn't go to point pleasent..

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Then, or now?

Haven't been back...

it'll be that way forever... until the water rises and sinks it..

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On 6/19/2020 at 7:22 PM, Snaggletooth said:

I thouht it wase properesized that AC willbe detroited by fire......                   :)

"Well, now everything dies, baby, that's a fact
But maybe everything that dies someday comes back
Put your makeup on, fix your hair up pretty
And meet me tonight in Atlantic City"

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7 hours ago, bgytr said:

I raced on Scamp when it was brought to Chesapeake.  Terrible boat.

The issue with the Heritage - and this holds true for most of the non-Kiwi IOR boats of that era - was that they were the final, extremely powered-up evolution of the Ganbare design paradigm.  So pushed in every dimension - longer, wider, taller, heavier - and then having all the contortions necessary to still hit the 27.5 rating. This made these boats either very very good (upwind in any conditions from zero to hero, light airs downwind and some two sail power reaching modes) or very very bad (deep reaching or running in anything over 15kts and the rest of the power reaching modes). Scamp (with her deep custom keel from Brit Chance and custom rig) was the most extreme of all - so she was deadly when the conditions were just right, but as useless as any boat from this era when they were not.

The very next generation (Imp is a perfect example) had much better stern shapes etc. and were much more pleasant boats because they were more balanced across the range of conditions and sailing angles. They were still nowhere near as nice as the Farr boats, but the ITC had basically banned those by changing the way the stern girths were located, which is why there are a couple extra generations of useless IOR boats despite the fact that boats like Sweet Okole were clearly better in every respect.

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5 minutes ago, surfsailor said:

The issue with the Heritage - and this holds true for most of the non-Kiwi IOR boats of that era - was that they were the final, extremely powered-up evolution of the Ganbare design paradigm.  So pushed in every dimension - longer, wider, taller, heavier - and then having all the contortions necessary to still hit the 27.5 rating. This made these boats either very very good (upwind in any conditions from zero to hero, light airs downwind and some two sail power reaching modes) or very very bad (deep reaching or running in anything over 15kts and the rest of the power reaching modes). Scamp (with her deep custom keel from Brit Chance and custom rig) was the most extreme of all - so she was deadly when the conditions were just right, but as useless as any boat from this era when they were not.

The very next generation (Imp is a perfect example) had much better stern shapes etc. and were much more pleasant boats because they were more balanced across the range of conditions and sailing angles. They were still nowhere near as nice as the Farr boats, but the ITC had basically banned those by changing the way the stern girths were located, which is why there are a couple extra generations of useless IOR boats despite the fact that boats like Sweet Okole were clearly better in every respect.

The performance characteristics weren't what bugged me that much, as they were fairly typical of IOR boats of the day.  What bugged me was the ergonomics on the foredeck mainly.  God it was awful trying to do sail transitions on that bow.

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10 hours ago, bgytr said:

The performance characteristics weren't what bugged me that much, as they were fairly typical of IOR boats of the day.  What bugged me was the ergonomics on the foredeck mainly.  God it was awful trying to do sail transitions on that bow.

Hahaha..tell me about, I lived the nightmare! The big bow overhang meant it was pointy as well. Didn't Scamp have a penalty pole? That was always good for some bonus excitement jibing in heavy air. At least the Stearns twinstays back then let you decide whether the hoist was going to be inside or outside when you peeled jibs. 

That domed deck line was a Charley Morgan design signature, straight from the Morgan 27, and I'm sure was the impetus for the Treadmaster on my dad's boat. It did make the Heritage amazingly stiff longitudinally, though - we could run the backstay tension way up there.

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2 hours ago, surfsailor said:

Hahaha..tell me about, I lived the nightmare! The big bow overhang meant it was pointy as well. Didn't Scamp have a penalty pole? That was always good for some bonus excitement jibing in heavy air. At least the Stearns twinstays back then let you decide whether the hoist was going to be inside or outside when you peeled jibs. 

That domed deck line was a Charley Morgan design signature, straight from the Morgan 27, and I'm sure was the impetus for the Treadmaster on my dad's boat. It did make the Heritage amazingly stiff longitudinally, though - we could run the backstay tension way up there.

Don't remember about the pole.. if I remember right it did stick out a bit.  I do remember it having a typical luff groove on the headstay though when I was onboard.

Ya hanging on trying to stay aboard in a blow while bouncing on the dome deck doing a gybe, headsail change, etc. was pretty scary.

I do remember one race downwind in a blow on the edge of control, the tiller actually busted- delaminated, the wood layers of the tiller were horizontal and they just sheared apart.  Somehow we didn't wipe out, and we got the kite down pretty quick.

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