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The Australian Sailing and RQYS Kabuki Theatre Thread

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2 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Rules at some clubs are ‘selectively’ enforced.

Let’s say for instance (and this is hypothetical of course) that a club has a rule stating that members are at all times responsible for the behaviour of their guests.

Let’s, for instance, say a member has a party on his boat at the marina and another berth holder calls the police because of noise and the guests behaviour. The police attend on the night and then detectives return on several occasions to interview staff about the incident. Now in this hypothetical situation the member should be held to account but if they were say, a flag officer, then no action may be taken. 

Or another hypothetical situation could be say if two crews got in a vicious fight at the presentation of a clubs signature event. Now normally both owners would be held to account but if one was a flag officer then it is conceivable that one member could be expelled while the flag officer has no action taken against them. 

Imagine that if then a concerned member fronted the commodore about these hypothetical abuses of power and demanded answers about these hypothetical events and the Commodore called the police, claimed he was being assaulted, then left before the police arrived and then demanded an apology or the member could face explosion? 

Or perhaps a member (who is a member of the commodores crew)  could claim that another member called him a horrible and highly offensive  name like ‘muppet’. It is conceivable that the club could immediately take action against that member, yet later when the Commadores crewmate is found guilty of , say, assaulting  a women whilst armed, they don’t take any action against him until the club is pounded in the press and on social media about it.

Of course all this is highly improbable, even inconceivable that people would abuse their position of power in a sailing club, I am just saying that it could happen and that’s is why a campaign of civil obedience may not work.

i know my examples are completely over the top and people would not act that way in the genteel sport of sailing. But it could happen. Look at the behaviour of the POTUS!

They all sound like very far fetched scenarios. Surely none of those things could ever happen at any club, let alone all at one club. Impossible ;)

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LB thanks for that precis of club membership using hypothetical examples of expected member behaviour.

However it does raise a few questions so I downloaded the club's membership categories to become better informed.

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You say here;

4 hours ago, LB 15 said:

....say, assaulting  a women whilst armed,..

I gather this is a Category 'A' member as they are the only ones with at least one 'arm' and can function "whilst 'armed". 

That accords with the brochure.

Yet you say here;

4 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Or another hypothetical situation could be say if two crews got in a vicious fight..

On face value this would appear to only involve two crews from member Cats 'C' and or 'Z' ..though vicious??

- It can't be Cat 'A' as they only fight using lawyers who they dredge from the bottom of the sea.

- It can't be Cat 'B' as are 'armless' and quite often ex offshore sailors who have lost their arms in a B2G pedestal fan, at the time when men were men and the rest pooftas. Obviously as ex Cat 'Z' members they have taken their pension and splurged out on artificial legs.

- Finally Cat 'C' and 'Z' are also the only ones who are 'legless' either one of both. However Cat 'C' don't go offshore as they are afraid of the dark 

So this fight involved Cat 'Z' members it first seems.

Also traditionally it is Cat 'Z' who get totally 'legless' post race in a bar setting thinking they have just done a Whitbread. As is the norm any fight pretty tame as they just fall over and roll around a lot, bit like jelly wrestling sans the tits and beaver.

But you say a 'vicious' fight and involved Cat 'A' members?

4 hours ago, LB 15 said:

...but if one was a flag officer then it is conceivableone member could be expelled while the flag officer has no action taken against them. 

So the fight was between Category 'A' and 'Z' members BUT Cat 'A' aren't 'legless'?

Did they get 'legless'?? If not that doesn't seem like a fair fucking fight and that expulsion of a Cat 'Z' member more so.

Is this where the lawyers come in as crew? Were they listed as crew, or that a 'no' to skirt around RRS69?

Are Cat 'A' members immune from RRS69?? Do AS know this??

If that not confusing enough you pose yet another example of people getting 'legless' from Cat 'A'.

4 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Let’s, for instance, say a member has a party on his boat at the marina and another berth holder calls the police because of noise and the guests behaviour. The police attend ........the member should be held to account but if they were say, a flag officer, then no action may be taken

You indicate this involves a Cat 'A' member in the company of Cat 'A' and maybe Cat 'B' members?

Yet again these two categories come with two fucking legs?? 

Something doesn't seem right here at all and their brochure outlining membership is misleading and seems a bit discriminatory. 

As to this;

On 12/7/2020 at 6:45 AM, Livia said:
On 12/6/2020 at 10:02 AM, TheUltimateSockPuppet said:

I hear another EGM is on the cards

Not thought through and doomed to fail!

On 12/10/2020 at 3:12 PM, LB 15 said:

Responding to the allegations, Mr Ket said .......Mr Miller’s requested meeting to be held in late January or early February.

 

So an EGM is promised in January/February but doomed to fail??

Seems to me ALL Cat 'Z' members need to find some legs, step up in unison and not just the berth owners and stop complaining about having their legs taken out from under them.

The clock is ticking. 

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Can I add a category JS? 

Need one for those knight's who's horses were molested till police and  RSPCA force said knights to move the poor trusty steeds to another paddock. 

All we need is Napoleon and we'd have a best seller. 

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3 hours ago, shaggybaxter said:

Can I add a category JS? 

Need one for those knight's who's horses were molested till police and  RSPCA force said knights to move the poor trusty steeds to another paddock. 

All we need is Napoleon and we'd have a best seller. 

How's it feeling to be boatless?

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2 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

How's it feeling to be boatless?

Discombobulating. The delivery was a nice last sail though, two sail bagged out to the point of big luff bubbles, 10-11 knots effortless and overhauling everything we could see. Still makes me smile.

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Everything RQYS doesn’t want, sailors just ...being.

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10 hours ago, shaggybaxter said:
12 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

How's it feeling to be boatless?

Discombobulating

Soldski and Gonski??

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On 12/12/2020 at 9:24 AM, Livia said:

No one thought through the last part either!

so if i read that right RQ won’t be hosting any more regattas? or if they do, the flag officers will be busy escorting everyone around?

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53 minutes ago, Spoonie said:

so if i read that right RQ won’t be hosting any more regattas? or if they do, the flag officers will be busy escorting everyone around?

Escorts are now mandatory at RQYS? Got it.

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The club appears, under current administration, to be in a death spiral

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On 12/12/2020 at 4:38 PM, shaggybaxter said:

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Can I add a category JS

Need one for those knight's who's horses were molested....

Shaggy unfortunately a category for 'steeds of the sea' that were fucked unmercifully and repeatably up the arse, then either put out to pasture, or running around now in other pastures and their knights no longer members, is way too large to show in the illustrative form.

Though the category for 'steeds' that get their own basketball court has only one steed and that with a dishonorable mention for ignoring the rules of the sea and racing.

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16 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:
17 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

Escorts are now mandatory at RQYS? Got it.

Looks like a ready supply https://redescorts.com/au/escorts/qld/manly

"Mandatory" and a "ready supply"...  that's around 180 crew for each offshore racing boat left....that's a fucking 'large supply.'

So the new plan to revive dwindling fleet numbers.....

....'RQYS - Cum Racing on Moreton Bay'

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39 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

"Mandatory" and a "ready supply"...  that's around 180 crew for each offshore racing boat left....that's a fucking 'large supply.'

So the new plan to revive dwindling fleet numbers.....

....'RQYS - Cum Racing on Moreton Bay'

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Would they be signed in as Guests or visitors?

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On 12/12/2020 at 10:37 PM, shaggybaxter said:

Discombobulating. The delivery was a nice last sail though, two sail bagged out to the point of big luff bubbles, 10-11 knots effortless and overhauling everything we could see. Still makes me smile.

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Everything RQYS doesn’t want, sailors just ...being.

Where is it going?

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1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

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   'RQYS - Cum Racing on Moreton Bay'

Would they be signed in as Guests or visitors?

I suspect a complex algorithm involving hourly rate, orifices employed and if Club's new 'Frequently Fucking Sailing' (FFS) card is employed or not.

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42 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

I suspect a complex algorithm involving hourly rate, orifices employed and if Club's new 'Frequently Fucking Sailing' (FFS) card is employed or not.

They will struggle to stay under the radar being neither fat nor white.

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16 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

They will struggle to stay under the radar being neither fat nor white.

I don't see a problem. Up against wall spray paint white (not forgetting the tell tale palms) and after a couple of races the added protein intake will cause them to fill out a bit. 

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On 12/10/2020 at 9:23 PM, LB 15 said:

Well looky at that. My experiment worked once again. Clap your hands and he appears. 

funny. i could smell that bait from a mile away and i knew i would scroll down and he would eventually take it .. fucking turd. 

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22 minutes ago, bigrpowr said:

funny. i could smell that bait from a mile away and i knew i would scroll down and he would eventually take it .. fucking turd. 

Yes he is a predictable little toe rag. Seems to be distancing himself from everyone's favorite fighting club these days. He may have fallen out with the Junta. Most people do.

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On 11/6/2020 at 6:14 PM, (p)Irate said:

Actually LB old mate, Astro was asking about what rule I had broken to be banned from a small country club after sailing as a crew member in one twilight race and one harbour race.

Funnily enough they have told the owner (who wasn't on board at the time) and the skipper that I'm not welcome. But they haven't told me.

I think I will write to them and politely ask why. Stay tuned.

So this what I sent over a month ago:

Hi RRRR

 

I don’t think that we have met before so I will first take a little while to introduce myself.

 

I first sailed at the CLUB in the late 1990’s as a crew member with JJJJ on his yacht PPPP and later on his Adams 10. As a proud Dover resident I was a member of the Port Esperance Sailing Club and was never subject to any pressure to formally join the CLUB where I was welcomed with open arms. JJJJ is an outstanding sailor and I learnt a huge amount from him.

 

JJJJ inspired me to buy my first boat,  which I sailed at the CLUB until 2002. I won a number of pennant trophies at CLUB  which I still treasure as they were the first sporting trophies I had won in my entire life until then. While I have sailed in Hobart since then I have always held fond memories of the CLUB and was very disappointed to see that the DSS had taken the Pipe Opener Series away from your club.

 

I am good mates with XXXX who owns the boat DDDD which is moored in the Kermandie Marina. XXXX restored the boat and though he resides in Brisbane he had the boat delivered to Port Huon with the intention of sailing at CLUB when he visits his second home in Dover. With XXXX stuck in Brisbane due to COVID restrictions he asked YYYY and I if we could sail the boat in the first half of the series.

 

YYYY and I sailed DDDD in your Opening Day sail past and visited the club immediately afterwards. I must admit that I was a bit put off by the way we were greeted, with one man saying that we were just there to steal all your trophies and another insisting that we would have to become full paid up members to sail with you. In Hobart though, a member of the DSS, I am freely permitted to sail in events organised by the RYCT and BYC.

 

I understand that CLUB has a system of finalising handicaps after three races have been sailed but I was surprised to see that in the first twilight race that we were to start 8 minutes behind the very similar AAAA in a one hour race. XXXX (an experienced race handicapper) had recommended to CLUB that we be about 4 minutes an hour faster. Nevertheless we sailed the race and came predictably last and knew that the handicap would be reduced for the following week, which it was, at 1 minute behind AAAA. Unfortunately we were unable to sail in the race due to other commitments. On the following Saturday for the first long distance race we expected that the handicap would be the same as there was no performance reason to warrant changing it. We finished the race just in front of AAAA and believed we were in with a shot of beating her on corrected time. To my great surprise the handicap applied to us was 13 minutes in a hundred, or 8 minutes an hour. We finished last on corrected time by 20 minutes while the other 5 boats finished within 2 minutes on CT. I would have suffered that quietly if the club hadn’t made a point of posting on Facebook, “and in final place DDDD. Good old handicaps hey?”

 

To me it was one thing to be not welcomed at the club on Opening Day, another to be accused of wanting to steal all your trophies, another to have the handicaps randomly and unpredictably changed in what seemed to be a deliberate intent that DDDD did not win, but to gloat about it on Facebook was the final straw. I posted a blunt but not offensive reply which I later deleted.

 

I have since heard that I am either “banned from the club,” or “not welcome at the club.” This has been communicated electronically to YYYY, and verbally to XXXX by your Vice Commodore. No communication has been made by any club official to me directly.

 

So, sorry for the long preamble, but could you please clarify and advise:

 

a)       If I have indeed been banned from the CLUB?

b)      If I have been banned, was this a formal decision of the CLUB Committee and if so has it been minuted and could I be provided with a copy?

c)       Again, if I have been banned, where does this ban extend to? And;

d)      The grounds for the ban and any of the RRS which I have allegedly breached.

 

Unfortunately I will not be available to sail with XXXX this Thursday evening as I have a prior commitment.

 

I hope to hear from you soon.

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Just now, (p)Irate said:

So this what I sent over a month ago:

 

 

I hope to hear from you soon.

And this is what I finally received in reply.

Hello

My apologies for not responding to your letter sooner but due to a
recent injury to both my hands I have not been able to use the computer
without some difficulty.

I have been briefed by the club members involved in this unfortunate
situation and discussions have been held at the management committee
level to try and resolve any issues.

The CLUB is undertaking a more proactive approach to
attracting new members and one of the platforms we have started to use
is Facebook which I believe has had around 50,000 hits since we started
posting. As I am sure you can imagine, it was very disappointing to have
such a negative post appear.

I understand it was this post that upset many members of the club and
caused some to voice their personal opinions to you on your actions.

I can assure you this is not the normal way the club deals with these
types of issues, The club tries to foster and encourage a respectful
attitude between its members and guests at all times.
If there are any issues or complaints that need to be dealt with you
should refer them to me or the Secretary in the first instance.

Thank you for removing the post in a timely manner.

As far as being banned from participating in the club's activities, this
is also not how we do things at this club, yes you may have upset a few
people but I am sure this was a bit of a kneejerk reaction to a
perceived injustice. We encourage all Australian Sailing members of
other yacht clubs to participate in our activities whenever they can
however, we also expect those members and their guests to be mindful of
their impact on the host club.

As you are aware we are a small club and like many other yacht clubs in
Tasmania and in fact around Australia, we are finding it more and more
difficult to maintain a viable membership base for many reasons.

This club's main issue as far as membership retention and growth is
concerned is many of the members you would have sailed with in the past
are now getting to an age where they are not able to continue with the
rigors of owning and sailing boats.

2020 has been a difficult year for us and most other community sporting
clubs due to Covid-19 and social distancing requirements which have had
a major effect on memberships and the number of boats participating in
our sailing program, however, we are experiencing steady growth in new
members especially in social memberships which I believe will lead to
more boats joining the fleet in the future.

With all this said I do hope you, the owner and crew of DDDD will
continue to be part of the CLUB's sailing and social program.

Yours sincerely

RRRR

Commodore


CLUB

 

... so it was all my fault after all.

BTW This week in the local paper the CLUB made a big noise about welcoming another new boat to its Twilight racing fleet. After making positive comments about how well it sailed in its very first race and crossed the line in third place they said, "But as the handicap was temporary KKKK was excluded from the results."

And they wonder why they can't get a viable fleet on the water.

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I liked the bit about finding it difficult to maintain a viable membership base.

I don't think I need comment further on that.

FKT

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I am doing a little bit of casual racing in above club's twilight series. A couple of weeks ago, the yacht I was crewing on was pleased to be first across the line in our division.... at least until the results were published whereupon, miraculously, another boat (I think owned by a member of club) had, apparently, overtaken us. To be fair, we had only beaten them over by maybe 3/4 of a boat length, but even so, a little it disappointing.

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16 hours ago, (p)Irate said:

As you are aware we are a small club and like many other yacht clubs in
Tasmania and in fact around Australia, we are finding it more and more
difficult to maintain a viable membership base for many reasons.

One of the clubs I sail at has the same problem....for the same reason,which is never spoken about outside of the bar. Not reasons...just one reason. In years gone by those  who retired from sailing stayed on as senior members and contributed their experience .Seems  Queensland has more than one virus that needs curbing ?

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18 hours ago, (p)Irate said:

.....I first sailed at the CLUB in the late 1990’s....

....As a proud Dover resident I was a member of the Port Esperance Sailing Club and was never subject to any pressure to formally join the CLUB where I was welcomed with open arms....

Someone wasn't happy at your old member club.

24 April 2020 - "Suspicious fire causes severe damage at Port Esperance Sailing Club"

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Not a member or anyone connected with the sport but a serial arsonist scum. Only been out of jail for a short while. The police know it was him but can't prove it. He also burnt down two other properties which they might be able to pin on him.

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9 hours ago, Weyalan said:

I am doing a little bit of casual racing in above club's twilight series. A couple of weeks ago, the yacht I was crewing on was pleased to be first across the line in our division.... at least until the results were published whereupon, miraculously, another boat (I think owned by a member of club) had, apparently, overtaken us. To be fair, we had only beaten them over by maybe 3/4 of a boat length, but even so, a little it disappointing.

Might be another club mate. The CLUB only has about five boats racing and no divisions.

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Everyone's favorite yacht clubs new By laws state...

ii) The RQYS Constitution states that: “Any Flag Officer or member of the General Committee shall have power to refuse or revoke the admission of any visitor without assigning any reason therefor”.

iii) In reference to the RQYS Constitution and 4 b) ii) above, the word “admission” refers to admission to both the premises and to events, regattas, sailing races, competitions, both sail and power and whether Open or otherwise, conducted by the Squadron or any other Club, Association or organisation it may be associated or working in conjunction with from time to time and the word “visitor” shall mean “visitors” and / or “guests”.

Yet the racing rules of sailing state...

76. EXCLUSION OF BOATS OR COMPETITORS

76.1.

The organizing authority or the race committee may reject or cancel the entry of a boat or exclude a competitor, subject to rule 76.3, provided it does so before the start of the first race and states the reason for doing so. On request the boat shall promptly be given the reason in writing. The boat may request redress if she considers that the rejection or exclusion is improper. 

Quite a organisation, the only club on earth that is exempt from complying with the RRS.

BASIC PRINCIPLES

SPORTSMANSHIP AND THE RULES

Competitors in the sport of sailing are governed by a body of rules that they are expected to follow and enforce.

So to recap, RQ claim they can refuse an entry to a race 'without assigning any reason therefor' yet the RRS clearly states that if an OA refuses an entry it is required to 'states the reason for doing so'

I wish there was someone from AS on here who could clarify how this works.

This, is going to be great!

https://www.rqys.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/RQYS-BY-LAWS-2020-v-1.9.pdf

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9 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

I wish there was someone from AS on here who could clarify how this works.

This, is going to be great!

Well, I am not from AS but I can tell you how it works.

The RRS conditions apply for any regatta or race run under RRS and so sanctioned by AS.

Wednesday afternoon is not an AS sanctioned event so they can make up whatever rules they like.  But as you clearly have identified, the wording in the constitution would prevent them (the club) from hosting an AS sanctioned event.

Don't ask me how I learned this.

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53 minutes ago, astro said:
1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

I wish there was someone from AS on here who could clarify how this works.

This, is going to be great!

Well, I am not from AS but I can tell you how it works.

The RRS conditions apply for any regatta or race run under RRS and so sanctioned by AS.

Wednesday afternoon is not an AS sanctioned event so they can make up whatever rules they like.  But as you clearly have identified, the wording in the constitution would prevent them (the club) from hosting an AS sanctioned event.

Don't ask me how I learned this.

"The RRS conditions apply for any regatta or race run under RRS and so sanctioned by AS.

Wednesday afternoon is not an AS sanctioned event so they can make up whatever rules they like...

..Don't ask me how I learned this"

Like don't ask you if you had read RQYS WAGS NOR and Sailing Instructions 2020.21 final copy

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1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

I wish there was someone from AS on here who could clarify how this works.

This, is going to be great!

My understanding is that the by-laws apply to admission to the club, where as the RRS apply to entry into a race; two different things. This isn't much of a change. Any club can already determine who they do or don't give admission to their premises, in accordance with what ever their terms are.

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22 minutes ago, grs said:

My understanding is that the by-laws apply to admission to the club, where as the RRS apply to entry into a race; two different things.

Seperate yes.

Club by-laws don't apply to RRS unless specified in NOR and SI's.

They aren't. However special conditions apply such as mark clearances for WAGS and crew eligibility etc in normal manner.

They have been introduced via by-laws ONLY and impact upon 'due process' concepts in the RRS. With AS knowledge and support, AS better buy lots of armour and ammunition. 

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13 minutes ago, grs said:

My understanding is that the by-laws apply to admission to the club, where as the RRS apply to entry into a race; two different things.

Read it again

 

1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

iii) In reference to the RQYS Constitution and 4 b) ii) above, the word “admission” refers to admission to both the premises and to events, regattas, sailing races, competitions

I'm  sure AS will now take it upon themselves to point out the error to the club and have it rectified before sanctioning any further use of RRS by the club.

 

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Good work Jack-Boi!   Nice googling!  But who gives a fuck about Wednesday?  Wednesday is for people who have no fucking idea what RRS is!

Thers's no drinking in RRS events is there?

There is a conflict between the Club rules and the RRS.  Clearly, only Jacky-boi can't see it, cause he's a fuckwit.

 

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29 minutes ago, grs said:

My understanding is that the by-laws apply to admission to the club, where as the RRS apply to entry into a race; two different things. This isn't much of a change. Any club can already determine who they do or don't give admission to their premises, in accordance with what ever their terms are.

But that is not what this does!

Can't wait for the next Australian Sailing Queensland Yachting Championships.

Get some guts and kick these them out of the sport, no that's right , they are your landlord so you are hopelessly compromised.

Why don't you get your Old based director to get off their arse and solve a problem.

That's right don't do anything you might fail and make your resume look bad.

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2 hours ago, LB 15 said:

iii) In reference to the RQYS Constitution and 4 b) ii) above, the word “admission” refers to admission to both the premises and to events, regattas, sailing races, competitions, both sail and power and whether Open or otherwise, conducted by the Squadron or any other Club, Association or organisation it may be associated or working in conjunction with from time to time and the word “visitor” shall mean “visitors” and / or “guests”.

So basically they're claiming the right to boot anyone from any club at any time, without giving any reason, provided that the other club or organisation is associated with or working in conjunction with RQYS. Which would be every possible event where RQYS participates.

That strikes me as quite unreasonably restrictive on them. Why don't they just claim the right to boot anyone, any time, anywhere on the planet and be done with it?

And are other clubs going to tolerate this? I could easily see a lovely little war brewing where other clubs enact the exact same rule and engage in tit for tat ejections. In fact I really hope they do. It would provide wonderful entertainment.

And what does the revered Australian Sailing have to say about this?

Crickets...

FKT

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2 hours ago, astro said:

Well, I am not from AS but I can tell you how it works.

The RRS conditions apply for any regatta or race run under RRS and so sanctioned by AS.

Wednesday afternoon is not an AS sanctioned event so they can make up whatever rules they like.  But as you clearly have identified, the wording in the constitution would prevent them (the club) from hosting an AS sanctioned event.

Don't ask me how I learned this.

No WAGs is conducted under the RRS by an AS affiliated club. They can not pick and choose which RRS they wish to use.

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1 hour ago, grs said:

My understanding is that the by-laws apply to admission to the club, where as the RRS apply to entry into a race; two different things. This isn't much of a change. Any club can already determine who they do or don't give admission to their premises, in accordance with what ever their terms are.

They did. Their constitution did not previously say they could exclude you without reason. They have now attempted to modify it using by laws. The by law could not be more clear and specific. I wonder what brought on this change? 

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

No WAGs is conducted under the RRS by an AS affiliated club. They can not pick and choose which RRS they wish to use.

That's a fucking disgrace.  Few know what the rules are on Wednesdays, that's why they sail then.  I saw what some of those people did in the Combined Clubs events.

My point is the same however and you apparently see that.  Can't have a conflict between the Constitution/By-Laws and the NOR/SI's.

 

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2 hours ago, astro said:

Wednesday afternoon is not an AS sanctioned event so they can make up whatever rules they like. 

1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Wednesday afternoon is not an AS sanctioned event so they can make up whatever rules they like...

..Don't ask me how I learned this"

Like don't ask you if you had read RQYS WAGS NOR and Sailing Instructions 2020.21 final copy

 

52 minutes ago, astro said:

Good work Jack-Boi!   Nice googling!  But who gives a fuck about Wednesday? 

 

"Wednesday afternoon is not an AS sanctioned event so they can make up whatever rules they like."

"But who gives a fuck about Wednesday?"

Is that a riddle?

 

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

...read RQYS WAGS NOR and Sailing Instructions 2020.21 final copy

19 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

No WAGs is conducted under the RRS by an AS affiliated club. They can not pick and choose which RRS they wish to use.

13 minutes ago, astro said:

My point is the same however and you apparently see that.  Can't have a conflict between the Constitution/By-Laws and the NOR/SI's.

You remove any conflict by inserting the relevant Constitution/By-Law in the NOR/SI's.

Whether that insertion then conflicts with the RRS or not, is up to competitors and or AS by sticking it up the arse of who ever inserted it.

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Who ever thought a boat race could be so hard.

And now, why are we struggling to maintain a viable member base ?

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3 hours ago, LB 15 said:

I wish there was someone from AS on here who could clarify how this works.

This, is going to be great!

https://www.rqys.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/RQYS-BY-LAWS-2020-v-1.9.pdf

2 hours ago, grs said:

My understanding is that the by-laws apply to admission to the club, where as the RRS apply to entry into a race; two different things. 

2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Seperate yes.

Club by-laws don't apply to RRS unless specified in NOR and SI's.

They have been introduced via by-laws ONLY and impact upon 'due process' concepts in the RRS. With AS knowledge and support, AS better buy lots of armour and ammunition. 

2 hours ago, BOI Guy said:
2 hours ago, grs said:

My understanding is that the by-laws apply to admission to the club, where as the RRS apply to entry into a race; two different things.

Read it again

3 hours ago, LB 15 said:

iii) In reference to the RQYS Constitution and 4 b) ii) above, the word “admission” refers to admission to both the premises and to events, regattas, sailing races, competitions

I'm  sure AS will now take it upon themselves to point out the error to the club and have it rectified before sanctioning any further use of RRS by the club.

2 hours ago, grs said:

Thank you.

2 hours ago, Livia said:

Get some guts and kick these them out of the sport, no that's right , they are your landlord so you are hopelessly compromised.

Why don't you get your Old based director to get off their arse and solve a problem.

 

 

"This, is going to be great!'

"With AS knowledge and support, AS better buy lots of armour and ammunition"

"Why don't you get your Old based director to get off their arse and solve a problem."

To avoid any confusion the battle lines in one picture.

- The 'Knight' circled in 'Black' is "promoting" a 'back-door' amendment to the RRS acting as a AS 'affiliated' sailing club and representing it's club members who are 'financial members' of AS.

- The 'Knights' circled in 'Green' are 'financial sailing members' of AS via that 'affiliated' sailing club and the ones impacted by this 'back-door' RRS amendment in AS sanctioned races conducted by the Black Knight.

- Also potentially impacted by this 'back-door' RRS amendment are other knights from other clubs who participate in the Black Knights AS sanctioned races.

- 'Australian Sailing' in 'Red' the peak body, represents the interests of all AS 'affiliated' sailing clubs AND all AS 'financial' sailing members, is now unofficially aware of this 'back-door' RRS amendment introduced by one of its affiliated clubs, the Black Knight.

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Now out with the popcorn as the knights with their peak representative body seperating them, works out what it's going to do.

- Will AS represent the interests of both parties or only one?

- Will the Black Knight do a UTurn or come out fighting with lawyers?

- Will AS be drawn into the fight and have to put on armour too?

Tick Tock Tick Tock.

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I thought the reach of the powers of these people was getting a little bit beyond belief

10 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Any Flag Officer or member of the General Committee shall have power to refuse or revoke the admission

8 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

conducted by the Squadron or any other Club, Association or organisation it may be associated or working in conjunction with from time to time

I can imagine they are associated with every club in the world in some way, insightful to the minds of the leadership team.

Wonder if they are planning to develop a military to enable them to enforce this power throughout the world, new WS boss country may not approve.

p.s. This thread makes for some of the most enjoyable reading on SA, please do keep us fully informed.

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53 minutes ago, BOI Guy said:

p.s. This thread makes for some of the most enjoyable reading on SA, please do keep us fully informed.

It might be worth paying the subscription to the Courier Mail online as well as that fine publication is covering events fairly closely. 

News about the Squadron appears in that paper almost as often as the crossword. 

And now that a group of past commodores have requested an Extraordinary General Meeting to investigate the Squadron finances the paper might need to have a reporter ‘embedded’ into the conflict zone to keep up. 

 

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I wonder when the video of the 2018 club boxing championships held at Keppel bay marina will go up on YouTube? 

 

 

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1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

I wonder when the video of the 2018 club boxing championships held at Keppel bay marina will go up on YouTube? 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

It might be worth paying the subscription to the Courier Mail online as well as that fine publication is covering events fairly closely. 

News about the Squadron appears in that paper almost as often as the crossword. 

And now that a group of past commodores have requested an Extraordinary General Meeting to investigate the Squadron finances the paper might need to have a reporter ‘embedded’ into the conflict zone to keep up. 

 

I'm getting Netflix as I hear there's a new series of 'The Royals' coming out but this one isn't about the Windsors!

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13 hours ago, (p)Irate said:

Might be another club mate. The CLUB only has about five boats racing and no divisions.

Probably, sharp like bowling ball, me... I assumed you were ranting about the Blazer Wearing Brigade as is usually your wont... ;) My bad

 

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3 hours ago, LB 15 said:

I wonder when the video of the 2018 club boxing championships held at Keppel bay marina will go up on YouTube? 

 

 

Was that 'event' conducted under properly sanctioned RRS or Marquis of Queensberry rules ?

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"the word “admission” refers to admission to both the premises and to events, regattas, sailing races, competitions, both sail and power and whether Open or otherwise, conducted by the Squadron or it may be associated or working in conjunction with from time to time".

Does the term 'any other Club, Association or organisation'   include the International Olympic Committee?

Obviously the Brisbane 2034 Olympic games bid committee should be informed of this so that they can distance themselves from anything that may harm their bid. The IOC are unlikely to confirm a venue that can exclude a competitor at the games without assigning any reason therefor. 

I will contact the bid committee to find out their thoughts on this today and get back to you. It probably doesn't matter because from what I have read in the press so far, RQ are not in the frame and the Whitsundays are being considered to host the sailing.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/olympics/southeast-queensland-to-bid-for-2032-olympic-games-annastacia-palaszczuk-reveals/news-story/11ae0e0b16111112c8c3b2e96807406d

"Sailing could be staged in the Whitsundays, while beach volleyball is likely to be played at a temporary venue at Broadbeach Park on the Gold Coast."

Proposed class's for the games include Foiling moths, the 49er, Lagoon 54's with BBQ's, beaten up Jeanneau charter yachts and IOR Maxis.

I will report back on the Australian Olympic committee's thoughts. I mean if someone decided to exclude the Chinese competitor because they simply didn't like the cut of their jib, it could lead to all manner of strife. I might ask one of the members who is of Chinese ethnicity what they think about this...wait.

Oh never mind.

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7 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Was that 'event' conducted under properly sanctioned RRS or Marquis of Queensberry rules ?

I think it was the World Wrestling federation special regulations for tag team cage matches. You know like how it it Ok to punch someone while their arms are being held by another member of the team? Of course penalties may apply to the person being punched.

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5 hours ago, BOI Guy said:

I thought the reach of the powers of these people was getting a little bit beyond belief

15 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Any Flag Officer or member of the General Committee shall have power to refuse or revoke the admission

So Flag Officers will have to carry concealed firearms to undertake their duties???

I'm feeling a club uniform makeover coming .....drawing from the Hugo Boss 1930's collection for inspiration.

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1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

"the word “admission” refers to admission to both the premises and to events, regattas, sailing races, competitions, both sail and power and whether Open or otherwise, conducted by the Squadron or it may be associated or working in conjunction with from time to time".

So just not a sailing event and events in association with others. 

So power boat members of both RQYS and SYC will be watching with interest on the first Saturday in November next year for the 60TH GOODWILL CUP NAVIGATION EVENT.

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34 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

So just not a sailing event and events in association with others. 

So power boat members of both RQYS and SYC will be watching with interest on the first Saturday in November next year for the 60TH GOODWILL CUP NAVIGATION EVENT.

No that's different

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10 minutes ago, TheUltimateSockPuppet said:

No that's different

No its not. Power boat owners have been told that it applies to them as does sail pass. Read the By law again.

I am sure it is mentioned somewhere in one of their 51 club policies.

https://www.rqys.com.au/policiesanddocuments/

Policies

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Member Protection Policy February 2020
Social Media Policy (Members) May 2016
Direct Debit Policy August 2020
Social & Sailing Pass Day Membership Policy November 2018
Sail Our Boats Policy February 2019

 

Clubhouse

 
House Rules & Policy October 2020
Licensing Requirements & Sign In Procedures March 2016
Drinks Management Plan December 2019

 

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Use of Bill Kirby Jetty & Deanbilla Bay Moorings – Policy January 2020
Marina Rules and Regulations October 2020
Grounds Access Policy November 2020
Parking Policy December 2019
Live Aboard Policy January 2019
Trades, Contractors & DIY Policy October 2020
Environmental Protection Policy  January 2018
Domestic Animals Policy  August 2019
Trailer Park Policy June 2020
Slipping Agreement July 2020
Hardstand Rules & Agreement  March 2020

 

Canaipa

 
Canaipa Rules & Policy April 2019
Canaipa Vehicle Hire Policy January 2020

 

Sailing

 
Club Sailing and Regatta Procedures April 2020
Coaching Policy July 2020
Sailing Entry Safety and Auditing Policy February 2020
RQYS Fleet Rescue Start and Coach Powerboat Policy February 2020
Race Committee Composition Policy February 2020
On Water Emergency Communications Policy and Procedure February 2020
Club Racing Participation Policy February 2020
On Water Communications Policy February 2020
Race Abandonment Policy February 2020
RQYS Offshore Event Proposal Policy April 2020
Schools Racing Policy February 2020
On water Safety Management Plan February 2020
Dinghy Hire Form and Agreement April 2020
Elliott Hire Policy March 2020
FarEast28 Usage Policy March 2020
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Medical Emergency Procedure October 2020
RQYS Gymnasium Use Policy October 2020
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Back in the day we only had one policy.

No fuckwits.

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23 minutes ago, TheUltimateSockPuppet said:

No that's different

Why?? 

Fits like a glove for "admission" to 'power competitions' conducted in association with. The Goodwill Cup log event is run in association with the Southport Yacht Club.

"the word “admission” refers to admission  to both the premises and to events, regattas, sailing  races, competitions, both sail and power and whether Open or otherwise, conducted by  the Squadron or it may be associated or working  in conjunction  with from time to time".

"Admission" to RQYS Cuising Group "events", BOTH sail and power are also captured.

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39 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Why?? 

Fits like a glove for "admission" to 'power competitions' conducted in association with. The Goodwill Cup log event is run in association with the Southport Yacht Club.

"the word “admission” refers to admission  to both the premises and to events, regattas, sailing  races, competitions, both sail and power and whether Open or otherwise, conducted by  the Squadron or it may be associated or working  in conjunction  with from time to time".

"Admission" to RQYS Cuising Group "events", BOTH sail and power are also captured.

Jack,

I’m not shore how AS will fit into the Goodwill Cup for the power boaties. 

 

Going back about 20 odd years ago the power boaties from both Southport and RQ told AS to get stuffed as they didn’t see any value from AS membership and refused to pay the AS fees. They have been members of both clubs for years  and AS gets nothing from their memberships of each club. 

 

Pulpit 

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1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

I am sure it is mentioned somewhere in one of their 51 club policies.

https://www.rqys.com.au/policiesanddocuments/

The Club's new 'Uniform Policy' hasn't yet been uploaded I see.

Word is 'Sailing' members only score a 'badge' from that new inspiring and award winning collection. 

Also their names on the membership register will now all be 'Jude'' irrespective of sex. Saying you banged Jude after WAGS will now raise eyebrows.

While appearing confusing, when any of them are expelled from the club for serious policy infractions like 'asking questions,' their absence won't be so obvious, after they have been escorted to the Manly railway station, never to return.

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Note: This post has been made in full compliance with 'Godwin's Law'.

"As discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler increases"

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10 minutes ago, pulpit said:

Jack,

I’m not shore how AS will fit into the Goodwill Cup for the power boaties. 

Application of new By-law here is not being applied to RRS, so this aspect has nothing to do with AS. Simply being an "event" and or "competition" power boats included, they are captured. 

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12 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Application of new By-law here is not being applied to RRS, so this aspect has nothing to do with AS. Simply being an "event" and or "competition" power boats included, they are captured. 

But wait - there is more!

4. Guests and Visitors a) Guests i) Member’s guest may be admitted only if introduced by and in the company of a member. The member must enter his guest’s name and address at Reception and sign same. The same guest must not be introduced more frequently than twice in one month unless special permission is obtained from a Flag Officer or the General Manager.

So you can not invite your friends or family down to the club or on your boat more than twice a month without the 'special' permission from one of the ruling class. Or a non member who you might be married to.

 

YCMTSU.

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38 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

So you can not invite your friends or family down to the club or on your boat more than twice a month without the 'special' permission from one of the ruling class. Or a non member who you might be married to.

That visitor CAP of "twice a month" will only impose by force solitude, loneliness,  despair and maybe even suicidal thoughts...yet in a club that promotes fellowship. 

That then is simply going to introduce a Covid like outbreak in bigamy, wife swapping, gender preference swapping and all forms of adulterous behaviour, including hiring guests with 'latitude eyes' by the hour. That's is the only way to 'circumvent' this visitor CAP and with a lot of 'circum' being 'vented'.

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The silly cunts have not thought this through. 

Queensland’s ‘moral guardian’ Rona Joyner is going to be all over them like a spider monkey.

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20 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Their constitution did not previously say they could exclude you without reason. They have now attempted to modify it using by laws. The by law could not be more clear and specific. I wonder what brought on this change

All the cryptic answers are sitting in this photo.  

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11 hours ago, LB 15 said:

I will report back on the Australian Olympic committee's thoughts. I mean if someone decided to exclude the Chinese competitor because they simply didn't like the cut of their jib, it could lead to all manner of strife. I might ask one of the members who is of Chinese ethnicity what they think about this...wait.

Oh never mind.

Yep that Chinese ship sailed long ago ......I did my bit.

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11 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Back in the day we only had one policy.

No fuckwits.

Well it looks like that one has left the statutes!

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Well my departure did drop the total by one.

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The campaign launch was held late last week. Looks like the slogan for the upcoming contest is 'Support the club leadership - vote NO to letting the members audit the finances'.

I can see that ralling the faithful. 

It should be a record turnout of voters. Perhaps they should use one of those Dominion voting machines?

 

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45 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

 

It should be a record turnout of voters. Perhaps they should use one of those Dominion voting machines?

 

Captain Commodore is already looking for the lost ballot box of proxy forms.

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