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13 minutes ago, Dog said:

A recent Gallup poll suggests it's not the majority of blacks. 61 percent of blacks want to maintain the current level of police presence in their communities and an additional 20% want an increased police presence.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx

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Although Black Americans seem about as comfortable as Americans overall with the amount of police presence where they live, they differ markedly in their perceptions of how their local police might treat them if they were to interact.

Fewer than one in five Black Americans feel very confident that the police in their area would treat them with courtesy and respect. While similar to the 24% of Asian Americans saying the same, it is markedly lower than the 40% of Hispanic Americans and the 56% of White Americans who feel this way. This could either stem from Black Americans' own negative experiences with the police or from their familiarity with people who have had negative encounters with law enforcement.

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8 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

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Although Black Americans seem about as comfortable as Americans overall with the amount of police presence where they live, they differ markedly in their perceptions of how their local police might treat them if they were to interact.

Fewer than one in five Black Americans feel very confident that the police in their area would treat them with courtesy and respect. While similar to the 24% of Asian Americans saying the same, it is markedly lower than the 40% of Hispanic Americans and the 56% of White Americans who feel this way. This could either stem from Black Americans' own negative experiences with the police or from their familiarity with people who have had negative encounters with law enforcement.

How does that contradict Dog's position?

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9 minutes ago, jzk said:

How does that contradict Dog's position?

If you can explain Dogs position you'll be doing him a favour.

My position is that seemingly all they want is

 

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7 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Liar. @Dog never has positions.

Here you go... The current war on police, which is ostensibly is in support of the black community, is not supported by a majority of blacks. Further, the police are the one institution best able to improve conditions in black communities and the people know it. BLM is a destructive force that leaves black communities worse off.

In related news, in Minneapolis the Star Tribune reports that 1/3 of the police force could take early retirement by the end of this year while the homicide rate hits a 30 year high. Who in their right mind is going to invest in Minneapolis?

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18 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

If you can explain Dogs position you'll be doing him a favour.

My position is that seemingly all they want is

 

Respect and police protection, they deserve both.

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6 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

There’s @Dog furiously masturbating to his Fox failure porn.

dumb shit can’t even find Minneapolis on a map.

There's MJ attempting to change the subject.

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7 minutes ago, Dog said:

Here you go... The current war on police, which is ostensibly is in support of the black community, is not supported by a majority of blacks. Further, the police are the one institution best able to improve conditions in black communities and the people know it. BLM is a destructive force that leaves black communities worse off.

In related news, in Minneapolis the Star Tribune reports that 1/3 of the police force could take early retirement by the end of this year while the homicide rate hits a 30 year high. Who in their right mind is going to invest in Minneapolis?

Dude, seriously? 

 

 

It would be nice if the police actually did help, but they don't. They are currently part of the problem. There is no more a war on police,  than a war on politicians. We just want them to do a better job without fucking over the people they are supposed to be serving. As someone who was threatened with a wrongful arrest by corrupt cops when all I was trying to do was protect the life of an infant, I have zero sympathy for the police who have either perpetrated abuses or stood idly by while they happened. I am not poor, I am not black, I have lawyers on speed dial, and I was terrified.  I can not begin to imagine what it would be like to be threatened as I was and to be poor, black, and have no access to a good lawyer.

The system is routinely fucking over the very people it is supposed to protect. The police have made it all about them and not about who they serve. Yes, we will need police but we need a massive overhaul of the system, and it will necessarily involve a wholesale restructuring. Part of that will mean moving them into a role which they are better able to fill, and to de-emphasize them over agencies which are staffed with people trained specifically to help not beat and handcuff. 

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3 minutes ago, Dog said:

There's MJ attempting to change the subject.

What was the subject?

How black people feel about the presence of police in their area wasn't it?

 

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30 minutes ago, LenP said:

Dude, seriously? 

 

 

It would be nice if the police actually did help, but they don't. They are currently part of the problem. There is no more a war on police,  than a war on politicians. We just want them to do a better job without fucking over the people they are supposed to be serving. As someone who was threatened with a wrongful arrest by corrupt cops when all I was trying to do was protect the life of an infant, I have zero sympathy for the police who have either perpetrated abuses or stood idly by while they happened. I am not poor, I am not black, I have lawyers on speed dial, and I was terrified.  I can not begin to imagine what it would be like to be threatened as I was and to be poor, black, and have no access to a good lawyer.

The system is routinely fucking over the very people it is supposed to protect. The police have made it all about them and not about who they serve. Yes, we will need police but we need a massive overhaul of the system, and it will necessarily involve a wholesale restructuring. Part of that will mean moving them into a role which they are better able to fill, and to de-emphasize them over agencies which are staffed with people trained specifically to help not beat and handcuff. 

I think we have a big problem with police thinking they can push people around.  But that doesn't mean we don't need them to do their actual job.  The good news is that we are in the gopro/bodycam age, and we can now hold them more accountable.  How about we break the police union?  

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24 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Like Minneapolis wants to do, and is being criticized for? I mean this fucking thread you have someone lamenting 1/3 of them are quitting!

Did you see me criticize anyone breaking police unions?

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Stow your ADD and read this fully: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/police-reform-is-not-enough/614176/

Also, I think... one of his best is John Oliver's latest episode "U.S. History" (S07E20) https://www.hbo.com/last-week-tonight-with-john-oliver which helps round out the historical perspective. And you cannot understand the need to defund the police without understanding history. 

 

It's painful to resist the white-washing of history. What you were taught and what you've believed rarely is the whole truth. Be brave. Justice demands it. 

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Who wants to defund / abolish the police?

Lets just start with demilitarised .

A lot of nice things happen when the Police are approachable and not intimidating.

Get Donnie’s Federal thugs of the street Bowie said it best:

“It’s like putting out a fire with gasoline.”

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52 minutes ago, jzk said:

I think we have a big problem with police thinking they can push people around.  But that doesn't mean we don't need them to do their actual job.  The good news is that we are in the gopro/bodycam age, and we can now hold them more accountable.  How about we break the police union?  

Nice fantasy.  The reality is:

  • Most police still don't have bodycams. 
  • Most PDs with bodycams, lack a clear policy about releasing footage to the public (or even their civilian review boards). 
  • There is no drop in police brutality associated with the implementation of bodycams. Literally doesn't budge the needle in any significant way.

The reforms need to go a lot deeper than just cams.  

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2 hours ago, Dog said:

A recent Gallup poll suggests it's not the majority of blacks. 61 percent of blacks want to maintain the current level of police presence in their communities and an additional 20% want an increased police presence.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx

It’s not the number Of police, it’s how they interact with the people they serve.

Excerpt from your link -

Although Black Americans seem about as comfortable as Americans overall with the amount of police presence where they live, they differ markedly in their perceptions of how their local police might treat them if they were to interact.

 

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6 minutes ago, frenchie said:

Nice fantasy.  The reality is:

  • Most police still don't have bodycams. 
  • Most PDs with bodycams, lack a clear policy about releasing footage to the public (or even their civilian review boards). 
  • There is no drop in police brutality associated with the implementation of bodycams. Literally doesn't budge the needle in any significant way.

The reforms need to go a lot deeper than just cams.  

The George Floyd killing might never have been a thing but for the fact that today we all walk around with smart phones.

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Just now, Dog said:

The George Floyd killing might never have been a thing but for the fact that today we all walk around with smart phones.

Imagine how many such incidents went unnoticed/reported before smart phones became ubiquitous. Phones with cameras are a huge deterrent for bad police behavior I would think.  

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3 hours ago, Sean said:

Imagine how many such incidents went unnoticed/reported before smart phones became ubiquitous. Phones with cameras are a huge deterrent for bad police behavior I would think.  

The evidence so far suggest cops don't care if they're on camera.

 

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It's not that there are just a few bad apples, it's that the rest know what happens if they speak up - the next time they require assistance their brothers will be busy elsewhere. Recently a narcotics cop working Ft Bend county southwest of Houston did traffic stops in order to search for drugs. Out of his last 187 stops 185 of them were Hispanics. Houston just indicted 6 narcotic cops on a variety on felonies - 2 of whom killed 2 people in a botched no knock raid.

Protect and Serve - seems so quaint today.

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When your only strategy for social cohesion is based on policing, you got a serious fucking problem.

Drugs should not be a police issue.

Poverty should not be a police issue.

Calling the police to a house fire because the fire department has no money is just plain fucking stupid.

Along with the premise of this thread.

 

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6 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:
3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I think it's great that the slogan DE-FUND THE POLICE makes rightie heads explode.

 

Yeah. But it's just a small "poof".

If brains were dynamite, fuckers would have enough to blow off their Maga hats.....

Long ago, a neighbor used to yell at kids "If your brains were gasoline, it wouldn't be enough to drive a pissant motorcycle around a cheerio"

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defund is about the worst choice of words ever made. 
no one wants to terminate entire police forces and have none.

the “defunding” has to do with looking at places we are spending money in a manner where is simply isn’t working.  
 

Currently in most communities 911 calls for all sorts of nonviolent non dangerous situations  are answered by a fully armed squad of law enforcement personnel whose tools and training are more appropriate for armed robberies, hostage situations, and riots. 
    Because the word “defund” has been used to describe taking some funds away from one emphasis and re-applied in a different manner, those who blindly love the status quo are enraged about losing their police force.

    How about if we raise our discussion here to a more informed level and start discussing how moving some of our resources to different applications could help society? 
 

     How about if we discuss the possibility our overly armed and under trained police often escalate a situation by involving lethal weapons when nothing about the situation called for lethal weapons?  
 

     More training and fewer weapons might be a fundamentally sound goal. 

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21 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

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Although Black Americans seem about as comfortable as Americans overall with the amount of police presence where they live, they differ markedly in their perceptions of how their local police might treat them if they were to interact.

Fewer than one in five Black Americans feel very confident that the police in their area would treat them with courtesy and respect. While similar to the 24% of Asian Americans saying the same, it is markedly lower than the 40% of Hispanic Americans and the 56% of White Americans who feel this way. This could either stem from Black Americans' own negative experiences with the police or from their familiarity with people who have had negative encounters with law enforcement.

So,  you agree the poll says the majority of blacks don’t want a reduction in police presence?

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5 hours ago, Ishmael said:
Venom reacted to this
 

 


 

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. 
George Carlin

Think of how many of them think they aren’t part of that half.

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20 hours ago, frenchie said:

Nice fantasy.  The reality is:

  • Most police still don't have bodycams. 
  • Most PDs with bodycams, lack a clear policy about releasing footage to the public (or even their civilian review boards). 
  • There is no drop in police brutality associated with the implementation of bodycams. Literally doesn't budge the needle in any significant way.

The reforms need to go a lot deeper than just cams.  

Body cams and gopros are getting cheaper.  Do you have a cite on your police brutality data?  Hard to believe that it doesn't make any difference.  As police departments continue to get sued, it is going to make a huge difference.  Do you think the video in the George Floyd case didn't make a difference?  As Tom stated, it also helps the police.   There are many people that make allegations against the police, and the cams show that they are just lying.

In addition to the youtubers that are out auditing second amendment rights, there are a whole group out there auditing first amendment rights.  They go up to police stations and FBI buildings and just start videoing until some asshole FBI agents come out and push them around on video.  Cops act as if we need their permission to walk around in a public place, and that we have some kind of burden of showing them that we are not up to no good.  "Where are you heading today?"  "Where are you coming from?"  Why the fuck to police officers ask that shit during a traffic stop?  They are using a traffic stop as a pretext to dig for more stuff.  

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28 minutes ago, jzk said:

Body cams and gopros are getting cheaper.  Do you have a cite on your police brutality data?  Hard to believe that it doesn't make any difference.  As police departments continue to get sued, it is going to make a huge difference.  Do you think the video in the George Floyd case didn't make a difference?  As Tom stated, it also helps the police.   There are many people that make allegations against the police, and the cams show that they are just lying.

In addition to the youtubers that are out auditing second amendment rights, there are a whole group out there auditing first amendment rights.  They go up to police stations and FBI buildings and just start videoing until some asshole FBI agents come out and push them around on video.  Cops act as if we need their permission to walk around in a public place, and that we have some kind of burden of showing them that we are not up to no good.  "Where are you heading today?"  "Where are you coming from?"  Why the fuck to police officers ask that shit during a traffic stop?  They are using a traffic stop as a pretext to dig for more stuff.  

Well, somewhere, somebody is setting a building on fire. Or maybe blocking traffic.

Therefor the cops should toss your ass in the back of an unmarked minivan and detain you with no process and no communication, until they decide otherwise.

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6 hours ago, Rok Dog said:

Think of how many of them think they aren’t part of that half.

“Irony is wasted on the stupid”
― Oscar Wilde

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4 hours ago, jzk said:

Do you have a cite on your police brutality data?  Hard to believe that it doesn't make any difference. 

Consider:  Chauvin, Kueng, Lane, and Thao were all wearing bodycams.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/20/558832090/body-cam-study-shows-no-effect-on-police-use-of-force-or-citizen-complaints

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/21/15983842/police-body-cameras-failures

https://www.wired.com/story/body-cameras-stopped-police-brutality-george-floyd/

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/21/10329

 

I'm not saying they aren't an important tool; just that they aren't the panacea people used to think they'd be.

 

 

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23 hours ago, frenchie said:

Yeah, but you also said it literally didn't budge the police brutality meter in any way.   Just wondering about that data.

Youtube is filled with videos of people out intentionally keeping police in check.  That has to have an effect.  It is clear that the police routinely detain people illegally.  They seem to think that if someone calls and complains about a person for any reason, they have the power to detain them.  They don't.  Each unlawful detention should come with a significant penalty.  That would correct things in a hurry.

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13 minutes ago, jzk said:

Yeah, but you also said it literally didn't budge the police brutality meter in any way.   Just wondering about that data.

Youtube is filled with videos of people out intentionally keeping police in check.  That has to have an effect.  It is clear that the police routinely detain people illegally.  They seem to think that if someone calls and complains about a person for any reason, they have the power to detain them.  They don't.  Each unlawful detention should come with a significant penalty.  That would correct things in a hurry.

The police unions have a powerful, and unhelpful imo, influence on the issue -

How Police Unions Became Such Powerful Opponents to Reform Efforts

Half a decade after a spate of officer-involved deaths inspired widespread protest, many police unions are digging in to defend members.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/us/police-unions-minneapolis-kroll.html

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16 minutes ago, Sean said:

The police unions have a powerful, and unhelpful imo, influence on the issue -

How Police Unions Became Such Powerful Opponents to Reform Efforts

Half a decade after a spate of officer-involved deaths inspired widespread protest, many police unions are digging in to defend members.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/us/police-unions-minneapolis-kroll.html

Agreed.  Bust it up.  Throw the teacher's union in there while you are at it.

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On 8/8/2020 at 9:31 AM, frenchie said:

More evidence it's primarily a training issue. The US public is showing disapproval with the Grossman creed of police being justified in anything they wish to do if they can make even a small case that they personally were at risk. All that is done in the pursuit of their mission?  Not working out real real well, that.  It's working on juries, but the case presented to the juries is, essentially, this is how we are trained. 

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It is the training, cops don't seem to know about fight or flight, auditory exclusion or even seem aware that rapidly screaming two or more contradictory or conflicting orders leads to hesitation or to following those orders out of sequence and people die.

It is the training but also the recruits, theres a low bar to becoming a cop

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10 hours ago, Dog said:

Some common sense on the subject from Joe Rogan...

 

Couldn't even get past the 1-minute mark of his incoherent babbling bullshit...

If this keeps up, we're headed for a year as bad as... 2012.

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Not to mention, almost every year, there's a small uptick, at some point... and you (predictably) start a thread to hyperventilate alarmist bullshit about rising crime in NYC... and almost every year (predictably) you're proven wrong. 

 

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5 minutes ago, frenchie said:

Couldn't even get past the 1-minute mark of his incoherent babbling bullshit...

If this keeps up, we're headed for a year as bad as... 2012.

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Not to mention, almost every year, there's a small uptick, at some point... and you (predictably) start a thread to hyperventilate alarmist bullshit about rising crime in NYC... and almost every year (predictably) you're proven wrong. 

 

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nypd-stats-show-shootings-and-homicides-drastically-soaring-in-nyc-this-year/2494796/

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Are you seriously expecting me to dig up those posts from how you do this every year, and rub your nose in it?  Good grief, Dog.

Nothing in your link contradicts what I said.  From the article: "According to the NYPD, 178 homicides were reported in New York City so far this year. The statistics include information through June 30. This is a 21 percent increase from the number homicides reported during the same time last year when the city saw 147 homicides."

You know what year was 20% higher than last year?  2012.

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8 minutes ago, frenchie said:

Are you seriously expecting me to dig up those posts from how you do this every year, and rub your nose in it?  Good grief, Dog.

Nothing in your link contradicts what I said.  From the article: "According to the NYPD, 178 homicides were reported in New York City so far this year. The statistics include information through June 30. This is a 21 percent increase from the number homicides reported during the same time last year when the city saw 147 homicides."

You know what year was 20% higher than last year?  2012.

I have to explain to my wife constantly that any time she sees a news story that focuses on percent changes, move on.  It's just outrage porn for the gullible.

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

I have to explain to my wife constantly that any time she sees a news story that focuses on percent changes, move on.  It's just outrage porn for the gullible.

I really thought he'd catch on, eventually, though?

This is the 3rd of 4th time Dog's raised the alarm about a recent spike in NYC, predicted doom and gloom... while the downward trend continues.

You'd think he'd learn.  

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18 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

I lived in NY when murder was actually something new yorkers were worried about.  It's laughable to see some old midwestern man talk about "ohmygod 183 homicides"

When I moved here, the year ending @ under a thousand was a Really Big Deal. 

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On 8/7/2020 at 8:12 AM, jzk said:

I think we have a big problem with police thinking they can push people around.  But that doesn't mean we don't need them to do their actual job.  The good news is that we are in the gopro/bodycam age, and we can now hold them more accountable.  How about we break the police union?  

Anything to bust up a union, huh? Why do you assume that the problem is the union?

One problem we have here in Colorado has is the tax structures ... people who rent apartments don't have any portion of their rent credited as property tax, which funds the police. Renters pay an even higher property tax that homeowners, because they don't get the primary deduction, but the police and homeowners at the council operate on this ridiculous subcurrent that lower income people aren't the ones funding them. I've seen it at council meetings, the admin literally asked someone speaking if they own or rent.

And then cops think they're soldiers, which doesn't help. They come into situations with unarmed citizens with guns ready, they have little or no training to handle mental illness, and -- as in the case of forcing a family onto hot pavement because their car plate number matches a motorcycle plate number from another state -- they're just fucking giant dumbasses sometimes, and heavily armed dumbasses are the most dangerous kind of dumbasses.

But sure, you'll even get a lot of lefties on your side with the idea of breaking up the police unions, because that's the real enemy of the right; organized workers. What I saw in that video isn't a problem of organization in any way, but rather a problem of scared nincompoop fat ass cops, who individually don't set each other straight.

 

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On 8/12/2020 at 3:36 PM, frenchie said:

Couldn't even get past the 1-minute mark of his incoherent babbling bullshit...

If this keeps up, we're headed for a year as bad as... 2012.

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Not to mention, almost every year, there's a small uptick, at some point... and you (predictably) start a thread to hyperventilate alarmist bullshit about rising crime in NYC... and almost every year (predictably) you're proven wrong. 

 

I just saw a headline that claimed that "gun murders in nyc spiral out of control". Must be true if someone thought up the headline and then committed it to larger typeface, right?

The chart says that the murders were especially high in 1990. And though I've no reason to doubt, around 1990 I lived up in Washington Heights, right around the time that crack was invented, supposedly one of the worst spots, and I don't remember anything too unusual or unsafe.

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7 minutes ago, mikewof said:

 around 1990 I lived up in Washington Heights, right around the time that crack was invented

people were selling crack at the entrance to penn station in 1985 mikey.  jesus fucking christ you cannot cease to get the most basic facts wrong.

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36 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

people were selling crack at the entrance to penn station in 1985 mikey.  jesus fucking christ you cannot cease to get the most basic facts wrong.

I get that you want to start a shitfight since you haven't been laid, but so what?

Washington Heights was supposedly the birthplace of crack, and the proximity to the GWB had a constant parade of crackheads from NJ lining up in red BMWs to buy it.

What does any of that have to do with the supposedly high murder rate back then? I just observed that even in Washington Heights it was very calm, let alone in 2020, with headlines screaming about the "out of control" gun violence.

There, so now you had your shitfight for the day. Feel better?

 

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22 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

just keeping you honest mikey.  it's a tough job.

Clean, if you feel the need for correction when someone mentions "Washington Heights" and "crack" in roughly the same sentence, then you have no clue at all. Washington Heights was the crack capital of the world. Penn Station was a franchise location, known for boys and their parents catching a train to the suburbs, not the crack rock.

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around 1990 I lived up in Washington Heights, right around the time that crack was invented

A middle class jewish kid was cooking rock in 1988 in rockville fucking centre.  I'm guessing crack was invented quite a bit before 1990 unless I was the most cutting edge jewish suburban kid on earth.

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“Minneapolis officials are considering bringing in officers from other jurisdictions to help the city’s Police Department as they face a wave of violent crime and an officer shortage. ..

...The proposal comes about five months after a majority of council members promised to work toward “ending” the Police Department following George Floyd’s death”.

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-to-consider-bringing-in-outside-police-officers-amid-shortage/573021751/?refresh=true

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moving some dollars from paramilitary and/or very confrontational "response" based policing to more community outreach and neighborhood policing makes more sense and is supported by real world data as being far more effective and humane

this is not de-funding, it is refocusing

 

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1 hour ago, Chris in Santa Cruz, CA said:

moving some dollars from paramilitary and/or very confrontational "response" based policing to more community outreach and neighborhood policing makes more sense and is supported by real world data as being far more effective and humane

this is not de-funding, it is refocusing

 

Yep.  "De-funding" was not the right word and it was sold very poorly.  The right capitalized on the fact that low IQ people wouldn't try to figure out what it meant, rightfully so.  It was just the wrong term. 

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1 minute ago, roundthebuoys said:

Yep.  "De-funding" was not the right word and it was sold very poorly.  The right capitalized on the fact that low IQ people wouldn't try to figure out what it meant, rightfully so.  It was just the wrong term. 

You are far too kind to the little fascists cheerleading police violence as “necessary”

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1 minute ago, roundthebuoys said:

If they're willing to listen.  They (you) usually aren't.

You don't know anything about me. Keep making ASSumptions. I heard the lame assed back filled explanations the same time you did after the lunacy of the proposal was pointed out.

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Good article about community policing which has been federally funded but clearly not fully adopted.

https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/community-policing-efforts-success-failure?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9NH1muH47AIVFRLnCh2PhgQrEAMYASAAEgJ7JvD_BwE

 

One thing to consider as to why this proven concept is slow to be adopted is that between nations and even down to cities there is a huge amount of money to be made based on the existence of conflict by third parties. It is in the best interests of these third parties to allow or even help create or escalate conflict by passive or active means. In our country these third parties are generally legislatively supported by GOP politicians. There is another reason not talked a lot about why conflict is in the interests of ethically challenged third parties. Diversion of attention. Anyway just my opinion.

 

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1 hour ago, chum said:

This should be fun :lol: can you say E X O D U S ?

It has been happening for the past year... our new neighbors are from the Fairfax district..  they overpaid by $30K and are glad to get out of that shithole.

Target has "temporally" closed 20 plus stores due the the riots and looting... temporary is code for they are never going to open again.  Wal-Mart is closing under performing (read shoplifting and other shrinkage) stores.  Same goes for Kroger (Ralph's) and Safeway stores, "closing under performing stores" that just happen to be in high crime areas.  And I don't see Aldi, Whole Foods, or Trader Joes filling the void - for fucksake there were never there in the first place.  Wonder how the people now feel about driving 15 miles in some of the worst traffic in the world just get their daily bread let alone the ones that are going to lose their jobs. 

I'll give to the fact that the LAPD does not have the best reputation, I would say it has the worst.  I would venture to say with the DROP program, you're going to see some cops leave and go elsewhere...  maybe some we are gladly showing them the door, others not so much.

And Eric Garcetti is already planning his presidential library.

 

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1 minute ago, nacradriver said:

It has been happening for the past year... our new neighbors are from the Fairfax district..  they overpaid by $30K are glad to get out of that shithole.

Target has "temporally" closed 20 plus stores due the the riots and looting... temporary is code for they are never going to open again.  Wal-Mart is closing under performing (read shoplifting and other shrinkage).  Same goes for Kroger (Ralph's) and Safeway stores, "closing under performing stores" that just happen to be in high crime areas.  And I don't see Aldi, Whole Foods, or Trader Joes filling the void - for fucksake there were never there in the first place.  Wonder how the people now feel about driving 15 miles in some of the worst traffic in the world just get their daily bread let alone the ones that are going to lose their jobs. 

I'll give to the fact that the LAPD does not have the best reputation, I would say it has the worst.  I would venture to say with the DROP program, you're going to see some cops leave and go elsewhere...  maybe some we are gladly showing them the door, others not so much.

And Eric Garcetti is already planning his presidential library.

 

""closing under performing stores" that just happen to be in high crime areas"

Did it occur to you that those are high crime areas because they are poor and getting more so every day? There are lots of stores closing here, too. It's the economy, stupid. 

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8 minutes ago, nacradriver said:

It has been happening for the past year... our new neighbors are from the Fairfax district..  they overpaid by $30K and are glad to get out of that shithole.

Target has "temporally" closed 20 plus stores due the the riots and looting... temporary is code for they are never going to open again.  Wal-Mart is closing under performing (read shoplifting and other shrinkage).  Same goes for Kroger (Ralph's) and Safeway stores, "closing under performing stores" that just happen to be in high crime areas.  And I don't see Aldi, Whole Foods, or Trader Joes filling the void - for fucksake there were never there in the first place.  Wonder how the people now feel about driving 15 miles in some of the worst traffic in the world just get their daily bread let alone the ones that are going to lose their jobs. 

I'll give to the fact that the LAPD does not have the best reputation, I would say it has the worst.  I would venture to say with the DROP program, you're going to see some cops leave and go elsewhere...  maybe some we are gladly showing them the door, others not so much.

And Eric Garcetti is already planning his presidential library.

 

The guy next to me just overpaid 120,000 for rural acreage. I really wanted the piece, but he wanted it waaaaaaay more. The Land Run is on again here.

Lots of Uhauls headed east on 40 these days.

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13 minutes ago, nacradriver said:

Target has "temporally" closed 20 plus stores due the the riots and looting... temporary is code for they are never going to open again. 

Lake st Target is reopening next week. They’ve got multiple opening or soon to open in nyc, but don’t let facts stand in your way dumbfuck.

big box retail closes stores all the time dumbfuck for far more than just breakage, but then you don’t know shit about shit.

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Brookings -

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/19/what-does-defund-the-police-mean-and-does-it-have-merit/

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“Defund the police” means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. That’s it. It’s that simple. Defund does not mean abolish policing. And, even some who say abolish, do not necessarily mean to do away with law enforcement altogether. Rather, they want to see the rotten trees of policing chopped down and fresh roots replanted anew. Camden, New Jersey, is a good example. Nearly a decade ago, Camden disbanded (abolished) its police force and dissolved the local police union. This approach seems to be what Minneapolis will do in some form, though the nuances are important.

Different from abolishing and starting anew, defunding police highlights fiscal responsibility, advocates for a market-driven approach to taxpayer money, and has some potential benefits that will reduce police violence and crime. Below, I outline some of the main arguments for defunding the police.

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2 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

The right capitalized on the fact that low IQ people wouldn't try to figure out what it meant, rightfully so

You mean B squared  and few other morons

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Brookings -

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/19/what-does-defund-the-police-mean-and-does-it-have-merit/

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“Defund the police” means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. That’s it. It’s that simple. Defund does not mean abolish policing. And, even some who say abolish, do not necessarily mean to do away with law enforcement altogether. Rather, they want to see the rotten trees of policing chopped down and fresh roots replanted anew. Camden, New Jersey, is a good example. Nearly a decade ago, Camden disbanded (abolished) its police force and dissolved the local police union. This approach seems to be what Minneapolis will do in some form, though the nuances are important.

Different from abolishing and starting anew, defunding police highlights fiscal responsibility, advocates for a market-driven approach to taxpayer money, and has some potential benefits that will reduce police violence and crime. Below, I outline some of the main arguments for defunding the police.

Altogether, it is clear that municipalities across the U.S. are making changes in line with the defund police movement. So, while the word “reallocate” may be a more palatable, digestible word on the House floor or at a city council meeting, “defund” surely gets more attention on a protest sign. And more importantly, it seems to be having an impact.

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