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Looking for some insight about trucking a Beneteau First 40.7 with the deep keel.  Does the keel need to be removed to truck it in the US?  If not what needs to come of the deck, would assume pulpits, stantions, wheel, and cabin top winches. Any help would be much appreciated.  Have searched the net for hours but found nothing. 

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From where to where?  Height restrictions are going to be an issue.  Also width.

I have an adjustable cradle originally bought for a Bene 40.7.  When I moved my boat (JV designed S-40 with 9'9" beam and 7'8" draft) on it we needed to remove everything from the cabin top including cutting the binnacle off to make height restrictions with the keel on.  Boat on a low boy and the centre beams cut out of the cradle.  Came out to 15'11" with 16' max height.

BTW, moving 40 footers around is not for the weak of wallet.

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32 minutes ago, slap said:

Look on the bright side - removing the keel means that you can do a complete inspection of the keel, bolts, and the hull where it joins.

Yes, because benetteau keels are so weak they need to be inspected and worried over at every opportunity.  The whole boat is so lightly built it will probably fall apart on the next trip. Lol. 

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While I do appreciate the inspection opportunities/ benefits removing the keel would offer, in my opinion the 40.7 gets a bad rap on the keel bolts. You see back in 2007 I was standing on the north channel wall in Onekama watching Barracuda bouncing on the rip rap bottom and against the south channel wall for hours before the tug came and tried to tow them out, putting untold torque / loads on the keel.  It was a horrible thing to watch.  It would be unrealistic for any boat to be designed/ built to withstand that much punishment.  The keel didn’t just simply “fall off” as some folks seem to think. 

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I agree with you. I was being sarcastic, hence the lol. Hard to tell if slap was being sarcastic or jumping on the slam benejuno wagon. So I wanted to interject. 

I am a big fan of bene. In past posts i have used an individual 40.7 as an example of what these vessels are safely capable of. That boat has won vic-maui at least once, raced it several times, and went to sydney on her own hull for the S2H and then cruised thru the pacific back to canada for more racing and cruising. 

I love the .7 range and really like Bene over all. One of my most enjoyable pieces of writing was the brand article on them for Asia Pacific Boating. Hell, i met my wife (well ex now, but we are feiends) on a Bene. I even worked in the marketing department of the dealer for all of SE asia. 

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40 minutes ago, Baldur said:

I agree with you. I was being sarcastic, hence the lol. Hard to tell if slap was being sarcastic or jumping on the slam benejuno wagon. So I wanted to interject.

Not beating on the 40.7 - but some are 20 years old, and if this is a boat new to the OP he probably has no knowledge of how the boat was treated.   Take the keel off now, check everything, and it should be good for at least another 15-20 years.   Plus the deck hardware might not need to be removed for bridge clearance.

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1 hour ago, slap said:

Not beating on the 40.7 - but some are 20 years old, and if this is a boat new to the OP he probably has no knowledge of how the boat was treated.   Take the keel off now, check everything, and it should be good for at least another 15-20 years.   Plus the deck hardware might not need to be removed for bridge clearance.

Are you sure the keel gets back on just the way it was? After Cheeki Rafiki whenever I read '40.7' and 'keel' in one sentence, my impulse is to, basically run.

 

Sorry. It had to be.

 

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6 hours ago, TCWippy said:

Looking for some insight about trucking a Beneteau First 40.7 with the deep keel.  Does the keel need to be removed to truck it in the US?  If not what needs to come of the deck, would assume pulpits, stantions, wheel, and cabin top winches. Any help would be much appreciated.  Have searched the net for hours but found nothing. 

Much has been answered.  You need to talk to a boat mover.  Wide load permits are pretty easy in most states and escort vehicles at 12.5' are only required in some states/counties.  Height is 13.5 or 14 depending on the state.  Going over is very expensive as you end up avoiding lots of overpasses with extra mileage and many no interstate roads are ot open to loads over 12' wide.  If you exceed 14' wide, it gets to bean escort in most places.  

Requirements are state specific, as are the permits.  I would count on pulling the keel and that should make height easy.  As said above, a good opportunity to check bolts and floors.  Distance counts a lot as does the stats you are traversing.  many, if not most states are dawn to dusk only for permitted loads.  Some are M-F ony and others allow until noon on Sat. 

Not cheap. Been a lot of years since I did it, but it was about $3/mi 20 years ago for a non high load(once bow pulpit removed), beamy 42.  

 

 

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Thanks for the feedback, have moved a bunch of bots in the 30-35’ range (1D35, Express 34, Tripp 33, J33 etc, etc) but this would be whole different thing.  Sounds like the keel does have to come off to keep it under 13’6” which is the height for all states being crossed (east coast to Great Lakes).  Am getting quotes.  Will report back with the damage... I mean estimates. 

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I know she is too deep for the Trent Severn.  It’s marginal if she could make it through the Erie Canal.  I know they say max depth is 14 feet, but if you look at the cartography, anything over six feet is risky if a few places.  Also not sure if the Erie is open?  Heard it was closed the first half of the season.  And....she doesn’t have an autopilot :-(

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I moved my 40.7 it was shoal draft. Trucker thought it was deep fin version . He set a route that avoided low bridges - we removed front and rear pulpit prior to him understanding no deep keel version 

it was no big deal if they travel during weekdays they need a spotter vehicle 
My move was in Michigan cost was reasonable 2k 

good luck 

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22 hours ago, Ultraman said:

From where to where?  Height restrictions are going to be an issue.  Also width.

I have an adjustable cradle originally bought for a Bene 40.7.  When I moved my boat (JV designed S-40 with 9'9" beam and 7'8" draft) on it we needed to remove everything from the cabin top including cutting the binnacle off to make height restrictions with the keel on.  Boat on a low boy and the centre beams cut out of the cradle.  Came out to 15'11" with 16' max height.

BTW, moving 40 footers around is not for the weak of wallet.

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The trailer we used had keel about 4 inches off road. Not anything like that.  

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1 hour ago, Lucky Dog said:

The trailer we used had keel about 4 inches off road. Not anything like that.  

Same for me and the air suspension went to "low" once on the highway. In general, shoal draft 40 footers can squeeze in with pulpits and wheel off depending on cabin height, etc. Deep draft (more than 7') start to get very boat and trailer specific.  Sailboat specific trailers usually have a keel pan that gets you some more margin.  

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When we moved our 367 (7'3" draft vs your 7'8"), we removed the bow pulpit and tilted the boat back for so the forepeak and the tip of cabin top where the same height. That got us under the max height restrictions that would have required an escort truck, as well as some crazy routing and time restrictions.

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2 hours ago, Lucky Dog said:

The trailer we used had keel about 4 inches off road. Not anything like that.  

The boat and cradle were on a 20' shipping platform (which is half the height of a 40' shipping platform) to be fork-lifted onto the Aloha Marine Lines Barge to Tacoma.  The boat had to be moved from Keehi Marine Centre to Pier 29 (only 2.3 miles) as it was not possible/allowed to crane the boat onto its cradle on the Barge at the Pier.  Believe me, we tried...  We were well under the electrical wires/stop lights at 15'11", but a couple of years earlier the Army was towing a Tank down the highway and took out an overpass, so the Highways Dept. were being extra strict on regulations.  We had a flashing light police escort and everything.  This was not a cheap exercise, but Jim Maynard at PDF and the Keehi Marine Centre guys did great work to get the boat ready and come highly recommended.  Aloha Marine Lines was very accommodating and helpful on the Hawaii end as well as in the Tacoma shipping yard where I was a bit of an oddity (they generally ship dangerous goods down to Hawaii by barge and send broken dreams back as Hawaii has little produce...).  Was much better than trying to sail a boat you've never step foot on 2300+nm upwind in the middle of Winter in spite of its ocean racing pedigree.

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I have a J-122 40' with a 7'-2" keel.  They move it using a hydraulic trailer which put the keel about 4" off the ground held by a large strap. I don't take anything off and it fits under the 13'6' bridge requirement. No need for an escort in my state, just wide load signs on the trailer and truck. Pretty reasonable in price also. I have done it with a J120 deep keel also, no issues.

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Buddy just bought a Saga 43 in RI and shipped it to Seattle.  Keel still on but everything off the deck.  Kinda skinny boat so I'm not sure about the width and if he needed permits.  I believe it was $5000~.  $1000 for the yard to strip the deck.  They lost a dorade and the furler foil took a beating d/t piss poor wrapping.

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On 9/4/2020 at 4:10 AM, slap said:

Not beating on the 40.7 - but some are 20 years old, and if this is a boat new to the OP he probably has no knowledge of how the boat was treated.   Take the keel off now, check everything, and it should be good for at least another 15-20 years.   Plus the deck hardware might not need to be removed for bridge clearance.

Agree re any earlier 40.7, take it off and check it thoroughly, then have an appropriately experienced yard re attach it at the other end.

Or it may just take itself off when you least expect it.

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10 hours ago, Beer fueled Mayhem said:

Buddy just bought a Saga 43 in RI and shipped it to Seattle.  Keel still on but everything off the deck.  Kinda skinny boat so I'm not sure about the width and if he needed permits.  I believe it was $5000~.  $1000 for the yard to strip the deck.  They lost a dorade and the furler foil took a beating d/t piss poor wrapping.

Split pipe insulation doubled up and duct taped over the foil is a trick I have used. Just make sure it is not under the mast in the rack so it doesn’t get crushed. 

https://safeharborhaulers.com/boat-transport-preparations-planning/   These guys give some recommendations on their site for measuring and preps.  They suggest that if your overall height is under 12’8”, you can likely be loaded and stay under the 13’6” on their trailer.  Warning.  I do not know them, haven’t used them and have no idea how good or bad they might be.  

prices can vary a lot depending on how tight your schedule and if the hauler can score a backhaul (or if you are the backhaul).  

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14 hours ago, Beer fueled Mayhem said:

Buddy just bought a Saga 43 in RI and shipped it to Seattle.  Keel still on but everything off the deck.  Kinda skinny boat so I'm not sure about the width and if he needed permits.  I believe it was $5000~.  $1000 for the yard to strip the deck.  They lost a dorade and the furler foil took a beating d/t piss poor wrapping.

That's a screaming deal. I paid $3200 to go Portland to Bellingham at 34' x 11' beam, underheight, and that was at the low end of the quotes I got.

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On 9/4/2020 at 6:10 AM, slap said:

Not beating on the 40.7 - but some are 20 years old, and if this is a boat new to the OP he probably has no knowledge of how the boat was treated.   Take the keel off now, check everything, and it should be good for at least another 15-20 years.   Plus the deck hardware might not need to be removed for bridge clearance.

If it's my old boat he's thinking of (which just hit the market a little while ago after the fellow I sold it to passed away) I believe the keel was recently pulled off and reattached. There was briefly a private for-sale-by site that described in some detail work that was done on the boat last year after a run-in with a mark, but that site appears to be gone now that it's brokerage listed.

It sounds like they did a thorough job on the repairs.

Fun boats though, we had a blast with her.

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12 hours ago, andykane said:

That's a screaming deal. I paid $3200 to go Portland to Bellingham at 34' x 11' beam, underheight, and that was at the low end of the quotes I got.

Yeah...I'll have to check with him on the costs again.  I think that is right though.  Maybe $8000.  He has been hemorrhaging money on this boat (mast painting, keel dropping, furler bullshit) I just can't keep it all straight.  Luckily, I don't have to! ;)

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The price to ship over 1,000 miles  reduces the per mile delivery from up to $5 per mile to around $2.50 per mile.
 

I’ve paid $600 to have my cutter moved about 5 miles. That’s about $125/ mile...I paid $1,200 to move it 70 miles when I bought it.

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We truck the 125 around with the keel on. We need to pull the wheel, pulpits, Life lines, cabin top winches, sea hood over the hatch. I think the cabin top clutches stay on but I can’t remember at the moment. 

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18 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

If it's my old boat he's thinking of (which just hit the market a little while ago after the fellow I sold it to passed away) I believe the keel was recently pulled off and reattached. There was briefly a private for-sale-by site that described in some detail work that was done on the boat last year after a run-in with a mark, but that site appears to be gone now that it's brokerage listed.

It sounds like they did a thorough job on the repairs.

Fun boats though, we had a blast with her.

No argument there. 40.7’s are fun to sail. 

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I reached out to Farr and was told it’s 14’6” from the top of the cabin top winches to the bottom of the keel. I don’t see any way of getting under the 13’6” max without pulling the keel. :-/  So guessing a $4k yard bill there, $8k delivery, and a $4k yard bill here.  Hard to get a decent deal on a $89k boat, when you have a $16k delivery bill. 

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7 minutes ago, TCWippy said:

I reached out to Farr and was told it’s 14’6” from the top of the cabin top winches to the bottom of the keel. I don’t see any way of getting under the 13’6” max without pulling the keel. :-/  So guessing a $4k yard bill there, $8k delivery, and a $4k yard bill here.  Hard to get a decent deal on a $89k boat, when you have a $16k delivery bill. 

Sad but true 

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On 9/3/2020 at 11:50 AM, longy said:

Truckers can move almost any height - it just gets a lot more expensive, as they have to detour a lot. If your under the max height (on the trailer!) it's cheaper.

Enough cost to pull the keel (are you sure about 8K to R&R?) to ask a hauler or two for a quote at the full height and one with the keel pulled. 

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I had a 35r first with a deep draft and carbon mast. Sold it to a guy in Oklahoma. I think he cut the keel midway with a die grinder to load it for the trip. I advised him against it...

There are many boats out there...

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5 hours ago, TCWippy said:

I reached out to Farr and was told it’s 14’6” from the top of the cabin top winches to the bottom of the keel. I don’t see any way of getting under the 13’6” max without pulling the keel. :-/  So guessing a $4k yard bill there, $8k delivery, and a $4k yard bill here.  Hard to get a decent deal on a $89k boat, when you have a $16k delivery bill. 

I would think Farr should know their stuff but find it hard to believe that a 40.7 is 2 feet taller than a J120 or J122. As I said before I have moved both Jboats very successfully over the road many times without stripping anything off but the wheel. Both had deep keels.
Have you talked to any trucking companies? Call Brownell Sytems in Mattapoisett Ma and see if they have ever moved a 40.7.
BTW,  have you looked at any J-120's?  For a little more money you get a boat that is way more fun.

 

 

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16 hours ago, TCWippy said:

I reached out to Farr and was told it’s 14’6” from the top of the cabin top winches to the bottom of the keel. I don’t see any way of getting under the 13’6” max without pulling the keel. :-/  So guessing a $4k yard bill there, $8k delivery, and a $4k yard bill here.  Hard to get a decent deal on a $89k boat, when you have a $16k delivery bill. 

Hence the old nugget:

’move money, not boats’

 

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14 hours ago, Black Dog said:

I would think Farr should know their stuff but find it hard to believe that a 40.7 is 2 feet taller than a J120 or J122. As I said before I have moved both Jboats very successfully over the road many times without stripping anything off but the wheel. Both had deep keels.
Have you talked to any trucking companies? Call Brownell Sytems in Mattapoisett Ma and see if they have ever moved a 40.7.
BTW,  have you looked at any J-120's?  For a little more money you get a boat that is way more fun.

 

 

Yes, have looked at J120s.  I have owned a half dozen j boats in the past and am a big fan.  I missed out on a sweet j120 in July and there don’t seem to be any decent deals available on them currently. The 40.7 has a about a 10” deeper draft, and 6” more headroom than the j120, so I can imagine it’s a fair bit taller. At 6’2”, one of my main attractions to the 40.7 is that I can STAND UP fully inside one. After 30 years of bending over and still banging my head inside all the other boats I’ve owned, I would just like to have one boat that I can stand up in before I give into my wife and become a power boater. 
 

Thanks for the shipping referral. I’’m now working on seeing if the “tall load” can be delivered from east coast to Buffalo with keel on. If so would deliver boat on her own bottom through Great Lakes to Traverse City.  If that’s not possible, will just sit tight and wait for the right deal to come along, and focus on getting my iceboats ready for winter!
 

Very much appreciate all the productive Input. Thanks. 

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20 hours ago, TCWippy said:

I reached out to Farr and was told it’s 14’6” from the top of the cabin top winches to the bottom of the keel. I don’t see any way of getting under the 13’6” max without pulling the keel. :-/  So guessing a $4k yard bill there, $8k delivery, and a $4k yard bill here.  Hard to get a decent deal on a $89k boat, when you have a $16k delivery bill. 

From where to where? Can you move it on it's bottom? 16K is a lot of diesel! 

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I seem to remember something about Fast Track Yacht Services taking the cabin top winches, and most of the cabin top off of a 36.7. They had a way of finding fun things to hit. Underpass in this case. GW bridge tollbooth in another. OD35 mast on that huge tree turning into Truman Annex in KW.  If it were me, I'd remove the keel. It's cheaper in the long run.

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21 hours ago, TCWippy said:

So if anyone knows of any 40.7 coming available on the Great Lakes, please pm me. :D

If it's an east coast boat, can you take it around and up through the St. Lawrence Seaway?

It would take a couple of weeks and you'd have to manage some locks and fees, but there's no reason the boat couldn't do the trip next spring/summer, no?

It sounds like it'd be a pretty cool trip, and one I'd like to take some day.

 

Also - was it my old boat (Shadowfax) in Newport, RI you were looking at? The price numbers match... I sold it in 2006.

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There are a couple boats out there listed at $89k, Shadowfax and Synergy. I’ve been in contact with the brokers, but need to figure out shipping costs before I can formalize anything. Assuming the border reopens one day, the St Lawerence is a viable option, but would be a very very long trip. It’s not like they are unique boats, and neither is that great of a deal, so I think I’d be better off waiting for something to become available on the Great Lakes. 

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On 9/3/2020 at 3:14 PM, TCWippy said:

Looking for some insight about trucking a Beneteau First 40.7 with the deep keel.  Does the keel need to be removed to truck it in the US?  If not what needs to come of the deck, would assume pulpits, stantions, wheel, and cabin top winches. Any help would be much appreciated.  Have searched the net for hours but found nothing. 

I owned a 40.7 years ago (hull number 5/6 I think).  With the deep keel of 2.4m it's almost 4.4m /14.5feet from bottom of keel to top of the winches on the coachroof.  No way you could truck it without getting the keel off. Given the age I would suggest either sail it on it's own hull if you can, or pull the keel which would be a good thing anyway.

 

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On 9/8/2020 at 6:03 PM, TCWippy said:

There are a couple boats out there listed at $89k, Shadowfax and Synergy. I’ve been in contact with the brokers, but need to figure out shipping costs before I can formalize anything. Assuming the border reopens one day, the St Lawerence is a viable option, but would be a very very long trip. It’s not like they are unique boats, and neither is that great of a deal, so I think I’d be better off waiting for something to become available on the Great Lakes. 

Here you go. You can truck it anywhere.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1998/j-boats-j-120-3656762/

 

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Depends where are you going I suppose. We did a SC50 in Seattle and took it to Texas. Picked up a X-119 bound to San Diego. Launched there and picked up a Andrews 56 straight up I-5 to Seatte back again; on the same truck. It was a deal of course as we set up that way. Yes, there where over-width charges of course but all keel on. We used Dudleys as they were paying attention but the company is gone into retirement.

 

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7 hours ago, TCWippy said:

So in round numbers it’s $10k to truck the boat from East Coast to Buffalo with keel on, $6.5K with keel off. Of course, if I get the keel off, I may as well truck it all the way to Michigan. 

Well, now you know. 
 

I did make a deal one with a “motivated buyer” for FOB destination on a 42. He had it prepped, loaded and transported. I paid to unload and rig. just saying. 

Shipping was cheaper then  About $3,500 (14’ beam but not high) from Chicago to MD on a $110k boat.  


 

 

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